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March 14, 2007 12:21:41 AM

My desktop is a AMD Athlon 64 and it's a 2.2 gig 3700+ with 1 gig ram and a ATI Xpress X300 onboard with 64mb ram and it can go upto 128mb. It's a ATI Xpress 200 chipset. I am using Windows XP Home and my hard drive is 120 gig. Now my question is that is my video card good enough for games? I play UT 2004 and Quake 3 Arena and it plays fine and in high settings. I just use the normal bios settings meaning everything to default so it's only using 64mb out of my 1 gig system ram.

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March 14, 2007 12:24:33 AM

Old game like that i would think so, there not really demanding just dont expect to play them on HIGH settings. Since you do have an X200 chipset which would mean you have PCI-E it would be best recommanded to buy a X1650XT or 7600GT so you get the most performance.
March 14, 2007 12:31:59 AM

Well is this video card overall still good? Meaning I don't need to get a different one? I haven't installed this video card yet but I currently own a WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT and its 128mb DDR3 and it's 128bit and also a PCI-E. But I don't know if this card will make any difference at all. But I would like to know how good is this video card.
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March 14, 2007 12:36:08 AM

I want to save most money as possible so if it't not that big difference then I will return the card.
March 14, 2007 12:51:16 AM

You would do best by getting a better card. I have an ATi X300(just one step above onboard) and it sucks. I try to play COD2 on it and only manage a maximum of 30 FPS with settings on low and res of 800x600. IMO it just doesn't cut it. Both the X1650 and 7600Gt are good choices if you want to game for little money.
March 14, 2007 12:54:13 AM

What about this video card I currently own? WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT. Is this any better then the onboard X300? If its not big difference then I will return it. By the way even my chipset is X200 its still considered as same as ATI X300. I talked to the ATI techs.
March 14, 2007 1:35:52 AM

It should be fine for what u do.
March 14, 2007 1:56:34 AM

Which card? The ATI card or the GeForce?
March 14, 2007 2:45:27 AM

Your onboard should be finr for Quake 3 arena.

UT 2004 might be a bit of a challenge for it but I'm sure it'll work if you lower some settings.
a c 355 U Graphics card
March 14, 2007 3:10:20 AM

The only way to really answer your question is if you tell us what other games you would like to play. More modern games are generally more demanding. For example, if Oblivion or Supreme Commander is on your playlist, then you'll need a more powerful card.
March 14, 2007 3:35:38 AM

I play games like Quake 4, Quake 3 Arena, UT 2004, Jurassic Park Operation Genesis, StarCraft, Need for speed III: Hot Pursuit and SuperBike from same company as Need for Speed III.
a c 355 U Graphics card
March 14, 2007 3:53:54 AM

Quake 4 is the most demanding game you play. You will be able to play Q4 with your ATI Xpress on low resolution (640 x 480), but your frame rate will probably be limited to 24fps or less.

I would upgrade to a better video card if you want better gaming experience in Quake 4. A $50 - $75 GPU will give you much better performance than the integrate Xpress 200.

Which GPU depends on if your mobo has AGP or PCI-e.
March 14, 2007 1:38:31 PM

Well do you think that the GeForce 7300 that I have will be good enough? Or should I keep using the onboard ATI Xpress X300 video card and return the GeForce 7300? I guess what I'am asking is that is the WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT video card good enough to replace the onboard ATI X300 video card?
March 14, 2007 1:40:53 PM

Here are specs on the GeForce 7300 I have.





Features/Specifications:
Leadtek WinFast PX7300 GT TDH Extreme 128MB PCIe Video Card with TV-Out


General Features:
GeForce 7300 GT GPU
128 MB DDR3 memory
PCI Express graphics bus
GPU/Memory Clock: 520/700 MHz
Memory Data Rate: 1400 MHz
Memory interface: 128-bit
Memory bandwidth (GB/sec.): 22.4
Fill Rate (billion texels/sec): 4.16
Vertices/sec (million): 520
Pixels per clock (peak): 8
Dual 400 MHz RAMDACs
Microsoft DirectX 9.0c Shader Model 3.0 Support
NVIDIA CineFX 4.0 Engine
NVIDIA UltraShadow II technology
OpenGL 2.0 optimizations and support
NVIDIA PureVideo technology
NVIDIA Intellisample 4.0 technology
Integrated HDTV encoder
Dual-Link DVI Support
NVIDIA nView multi-display technology


Connectors:
Two (2) DVI-I
HDTV (S-Video)


Regulatory Approvals:
FCC
CE

Package Includes:
Leadtek WinFast PX7300 GT TDH Extreme 128MB PCIe Video Card
General guide
Quick installation guide
Driver and Utilities CD-ROM
HDTV cable (S-Video)

Additional Information:


Notes:
Model: WinFast PX7600 GT TDH Extreme
EAN: 4 710918 133320
UPC: 6 60757 20591 4


Requirements:
Windows 2000/XP
Available PCI Express slot
CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive (to load installation software CD)
VGA or DVI-I compatible monitor
A minimum recommended 300W system power supply required. For two PX7300 GT running in SLI configurations, a minimum 400W system power supply (with 12V rating of 22A) is recommended
March 14, 2007 1:43:33 PM

Here are specs on the ATI X300.






GPU Specifications
Radeon X300 Technology Specifications
Four extreme parallel 3D rendering pixel pipelines
Two programmable vertex shader pipelines
PCI Express x16 lane native support
64-bit or 128-bit memory interface supporting 64MB, 128MB, or 256MB DDR1 memory configurations
Full DirectX® 9 support
SmartShader™ 2.0
SmartShader™ defines the level of realism in latest 2D/3D games and applications
Complete hardware-accelerated Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shader support
Full hardware support for OpenGL®
SmoothVision™ 2.1
SmoothVision™ improves image quality by smoothing jagged edges, improving blurriness and refining background details during on-screen motion and at lower resolutions.
SmoothVision™ settings are user configurable in ATI Catalyst® Control Panel:
2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes
Sparse multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sample patterns, and centroid sampling
Lossless Color Compression (up to6:1)at all resolutions
Temporal Anti-Aliasing
2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes
Up to 128-tap texture filtering
Adaptive algorithm with bilinear (performance) and trilinear (quality) options
HYPER Z™ III
HyperZ™ ensures optimal hardware performance by discarding irrelevant object data that is not visible to end-user on their display.
Leverages key features from ATI’s third generation HyperZ™ III technology that conserves video memory bandwidth for improved performance in demanding 2D/3D games and applications.
Lossless Z-Buffer Compression (up to 48:1)
Fast Z-Buffer Clear
Z Cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering
VideoShader™
Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
FullStream™ video de-blocking technology for Real, DivX, and WMV9 formats
VideoSoap™ noise removal filtering for captured video
MPEG1/2/4 decode and encode acceleration
DXVA Support
Hardware Motion Compensation, iDCT, DCT and color space conversion
All-format DTV/HDTV decoding
YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays†
Adaptive Per-Pixel De-Interlacing and Frame Rate Conversion (temporal filtering)
Additional Features
Dual integrated display controllers
Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
Integrated 165 MHz TMDS transmitter (DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready*)
Integrated TV Output support up to 1024x768 resolution
Windows® Logo Program compliant
ATI Catalyst® Software Suite
* Currently there is no commercially available HDCP content. ATI's Radeon® X and Radeon® 9550 series of GPUs are capable of processing HDCP signals ("HDCP ready"), however ATI does not presently manufacture any graphics cards which are HDCP ready. Some third parties manufacture graphics cards containing ATI GPUs -- you can inquire of them which models, if any, -- are HDCP ready.

2D DISPLAY MODES
Resolutions, colors and maximum refresh rates (Hz) in 256, 65K or 16.7M colors

Monitor Resolution Hz
640x480
200
800x600 200
1024x768 200
1152x864 200
1280x1024 160
1600x1200 120
1920x1080* 16:9 120
1920x1200 100
1920x1440 90
2048x1536 85

*16:9 aspect ratio monitors are supported on 1920x1080 and 848x480 on Windows® XP, and Windows® 2000. The complete list of resolutions depends on the driver version and operating system. NOTE: resolutions are limited by the performance of the attached monitor.

MAXIMUM 3D RESOLUTIONS
65K colors 2048x1536
16.7M colors 2048x1536
March 14, 2007 2:37:35 PM

To get to the point I am trying to decide which video card I should use. One is build on my motherboard and one I got it at the store. If the one I got at the store is not worth much or considered an upgrade from my onboard ATI Xpress X300 then I will return the new card I got and I will use the ATI Xpress X300 that is build on my motherboard.
March 14, 2007 3:29:23 PM

Quote:
To get to the point I am trying to decide which video card I should use. One is build on my motherboard and one I got it at the store. If the one I got at the store is not worth much or considered an upgrade from my onboard ATI Xpress X300 then I will return the new card I got and I will use the ATI Xpress X300 that is build on my motherboard.



You can always try out the card in your system, and if it doesn't make a difference, package it up and get your money back. It's not like software to where if you open up the box you can't take it back- there is no piracy implications with the video card like there is with a game or OS or something like that.

Hope that helps.
March 14, 2007 6:00:25 PM

That's a DDR3 7300GT people. It's worlds better than the onboard X300 graphics your board has. It performs nearly on par with a reference 7600GS. I would use it if you plan on playing any, more current titles.
March 14, 2007 6:12:17 PM

Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.
a c 355 U Graphics card
March 14, 2007 6:51:21 PM

Quote:
Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.


Did you bother clicking the link I provided? The 7300GT blows all other value segment dedicated video cards out of the water.

http://www.techspot.com/review/7-nvidia_geforce_7300gt_...

The X300 will barely even handle 1024x768.
March 14, 2007 6:55:16 PM

Quote:
Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.


What part of "worlds better" don't you understand?
March 14, 2007 7:00:09 PM

Here's the DxDiag file when I use the ATI onboard card with latest drivers.


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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/6/2007, 09:20:27
Machine name: DALLAS
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: RS480_
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 958MB RAM
Page File: 302MB used, 2011MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: /Silent
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

--------------------
DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: ATI Radeon Xpress Series
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: ATI Radeon Xpress Series (0x5974)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5974&SUBSYS_100215BD&REV_00
Display Memory: 256.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Monitor: KDS Xtreme Flat XF-9b
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6666 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 2/2/2007 14:03:43, 264704 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
Mini VDD Date: 2/2/2007 14:03:25, 1975296 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1A34-11CF-076C-0830A1C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x5974
SubSys ID: 0x100215BD
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV8_B ModeWMV8_A ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
March 14, 2007 7:05:08 PM

Here's the DxDiag when I add the new video card.



------------------
System Information
------------------
Time of this report: 3/14/2007, 15:02:37
Machine name: DALLAS
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.061219-0316)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: RS480_
System Model: AWRDACPI
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
Memory: 1022MB RAM
Page File: 298MB used, 2064MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
DX Setup Parameters: /Silent
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

------------
DxDiag Notes
------------
DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Music Tab: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.
Network Tab: No problems found.

--------------------
DirectX Debug Levels
--------------------
Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

---------------
Display Devices
---------------
Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce 7300 GT
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0393&SUBSYS_208F107D&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Monitor: KDS Xtreme Flat XF-9b
Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9371 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 4527488 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
Mini VDD Date: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3994624 bytes
Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-40D3-11CF-5657-850000C2CB35}
Vendor ID: 0x10DE
Device ID: 0x0393
SubSys ID: 0x208F107D
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Revision ID: 0x00A1
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
Deinterlace Caps: {212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(YV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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Registry: OK
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled
DDraw Test Result: Not run
D3D7 Test Result: Not run
D3D8 Test Result: Not run
D3D9 Test Result: Not run
March 14, 2007 7:12:13 PM

Quote:
Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.


What part of "worlds better" don't you understand?

This kid's either a)10 years old or b)rides the short bus :twisted:
a c 355 U Graphics card
March 14, 2007 7:14:13 PM

Posting the DxDiag file means nothing.

Look at the performance benchmarks in the link I posted. The slowest card in the comparison is the Radeon X1300 and that's more powerful than the integrated graphics chip you have.
March 14, 2007 7:32:41 PM

A GDDR3 7300GT will not only outperform onboard X300 graphics, it will kick it's ass, take it's milk money, steal it's girlfirend, score with it's mom, beat up it's dad and solve world peace and hunger before dinner.

However, if the ATI X300 seems to be working for you in all of the current games you own and you're happy with it, then return the GDDR 7300GT and buy a newer discrete, more powerful, graphics card later on down the road when you need one.
March 14, 2007 7:58:32 PM

I agree with Annobis. Though I must ask:

Quote:
beat up it's dad and solve world peace


Isn't that a bit contradictory? lol :D 
March 14, 2007 8:07:14 PM

Quote:
What about this video card I currently own? WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT. Is this any better then the onboard X300? If its not big difference then I will return it. By the way even my chipset is X200 its still considered as same as ATI X300. I talked to the ATI techs.


The 7300GT is certainly better that your onboard chip, although it is far from being a powerhouse. Your question really depends on what games you wish to play and what settings you wish to play them at. Please elaborate.
March 14, 2007 8:08:50 PM

The list is chronologically organized. :wink:
March 14, 2007 8:51:31 PM

7300 is not that much different to your onboard graphics. Just that it will have its own dedicated RAM rather than pinching some of the onboard memory. Oh and there maybe more connectors for DVI and SVideo output.

Dont bother with the 7300 or the X1300 cards - they are just a step up from your card so you will be wasting your money. My mate is building a rig based on a motherboard with similar onboard graphics - he tried several of the low end cards your thinking about purchasing and he wasnt too impressed with the improvement - in fact he failed to see any so hes gone back to his onboard chip.

That was until I reccommended him the X1600PRO card. I have the Sapphire 512MB X1600 PRO AGP cards and I have been happy with it ever since. Its £100, runs HL2 very well (about 50fps @ 1280x1024x32 with all settings on High, if you have a 17in monitor then drop it down to 1024 x 768 and it is literally like liquid). NFS Carbon ran ok on High settings at 1024 x 768, BF2 runs at high @ 1024x768 whereas Quake 4 ran OK at 1024x768 at Ultra (baring in mind you can only run on ultra with 512MB graphics memory or more). This card also has support for Pixel Shader Model 3 - something which I dont think the X1300 PRO supports - simply put all your games look that much better and run smoother! High Dynamic Range Maps in HL2 Lost Coast also reported for me an average frame rate of 50fps with all the settings on high, AA and other crap turned to the max. And yes Quake III Arena will run at the highest settings easily! These are the specs I get from my PC which as you can see is over two years old - imagine the wonders it will do for your PC.

Simply put, the low end cards with X1300 or 7300 wont give you that same improvement that will make you think you spent your money well. Save up for at least £100 for the graphics card, get a X1600 PRO and you will feel that is money well spent.

I reccommend ATi simply because of the features and ease of use for the drivers. With nVidia I have had plenty of problems with drivers and configuration, and upgrading it was such a nightmare. ATi was a much simpler process and personally I think the image quality of ATi is better than nVidia.

Of course this is going to open a flame war between ATi and nVidia fan boys so Ill duck out before the war begins and finish by saying X1600 PRO or X1650 PRO (the better card) all the way!!
March 14, 2007 9:01:49 PM

Ok I tried the game using the onboard X300 and it didn't give me really any good details but it just said basic error message in the game console were you can copy and past. I don't know why it doesn't give any details on why it doesn't work. I tried playing the full game with the latest patch since I have the full game. Do I need to download a driver or get something to play this game? I didn't get a windows error message I just got a control pannel like error message with no details.
March 14, 2007 9:03:04 PM

Won't even the card he has free up CPU power to do other things, thus helping overall system speed tho? Also freeing up that chunk of RAM as well? That's gotta count in there somewhere too, at least to me.

Just a thought.
March 14, 2007 9:06:47 PM

Well my system specs are on my signature. I have more than enough ram since it's 1 gig as you see so I don't think taking 64mb will hurt it alot right? I can make it so it will share up to 128mb on video ram if I changed the bios settings.
March 14, 2007 9:15:05 PM

Quote:
Well my system specs are on my signature. I have more than enough ram since it's 1 gig as you see so I don't think taking 64mb will hurt it alot right?


Well, it's just my personal belief that you want all your resources dedicated to doing what they are meant for, and not tryin to do that AND running video and stuff like that. I would use that video card you bought, and dis-able your your onboard stuff in your bios. It gives you dedicated video with a dedicated ram set (which I think is faster than regular ram) and a dedicated chipset that is alot better than your onboard stuff, frees up your standard ram, and frees up your cpu to do its normal stuff faster. That make sense?
March 14, 2007 9:21:43 PM

Dude... dude. Shut the hell up, click on that 7300GT link that jaguar posted, and hit BUY. Even a 7300GS is gonna rock your X300. I had that same onboard video, upgraded to a 7300GS and was able to; 1. stop those errors you see, and; 2. triple my frame rate. Buying a DDR3 7300GT is almost twice as fast as the DDR2 7300GS (so what does this tell you?).

Pull your head from thy ass and read.
March 14, 2007 9:25:33 PM

Well it's only 128mb not 256 or more so even it's DDR3 it's still 128mb. Plus that other person said that it's not big difference on the two he said it's better to use the ATI since it's easier and faster. He also said buying the low end 7300 won't give you improvements.
March 14, 2007 9:31:19 PM

Quote:
Well it's only 128mb not 256 or more so even it's DDR3 it's still 128mb. Plus that other person said that it's not big difference on the two he said it's better to use the ATI since it's easier and faster. He also said buying the low end 7300 won't give you improvements.


OK dude, I'm gonna try once more... obviously you are not reading or comprehending this correctly...the card you bought is loads better than your onboard! I would use it for all the reasons listed above! If you don't want to use it and stick with your crap video onboard, knock yourself out, but you'll STILL have problems and STILL have crappy video and STILL be wasting resources.

Your move.
March 14, 2007 9:32:40 PM

I really suggest going for a 7600gs or gt.
March 14, 2007 9:33:50 PM

I wish I could find a comparison man, but you have 5 testimonials against 1. Scouts honor when I say I tripled my frame rate. It took games from an unplayable 800x600 at low settings to smooth at 1024x768 and playable at medium/high settings; and this is a 60$ 7300GS.

Find yourself a 7300GT with 256mb of ram. DDR3 if you can but if you can't it will still be worth each penny compared to the useless onboard.
March 14, 2007 10:06:00 PM

Blacken, this isn't particularly directed at you, so sorry for the reply.

To all people who have posted in this thread: READ THE ORIGINAL POST!

To answer your question, the 7300GT that you already own will ravage, savage, pillage, pwn, or whatever word you want to use, your onboard graphics. You will see a big difference in performance if you crank up your graphics quality just a little in the games you're playing.

That being said, that card is not a powerful graphics card. WAY better than any onboard solution, but that's really not saying much. I have an 11-year-old Matrox MGA (yes, I am that old) that would just about keep up with onboard graphics, if it only had 3d capabilities. But I digress.

There is no reason to go buy a more powerful card if the games you listed are all you ever play. The 7300GT will be fine. There's really nothing around that same price that'll beat it. $50 more and you could get something really good (like an X1650 or 7600GT, as suggested earlier). Neither would really be required to play what you want to, though.

I hope that this helped some.

-J
March 14, 2007 10:28:03 PM

@marshahu & cmptrdude79

Read my posts very carefully.
March 14, 2007 10:53:30 PM

Here's the exact same 7300 card I got it even looks the same and the box that it came with is this same so I know for sure that this is the exact card I got.



WinFast PX7300 GT
March 14, 2007 11:02:56 PM

Ok here's the list of games I play alot. Would the ATI Xpress X300 play well enough with these games? I don't have to have the highest setting or so I just need to know that if the ATI Xpress X300 will play the games fine in low settings at least.




Quake 3 Arena
Quake 3: Team Arena
Quake 4
Unreal Tournament
UT 2004
Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
Thief: Gold
Superbike
Need for speed III: Hot Pursute
StarCraft
StarCraft: Brood War



These are games I play sometimes

Primal Prey
Dino Crisis
Croc 2
Lilo and Stitch collection pack
March 14, 2007 11:46:28 PM

Quote:
X300 play these games in low settings

Should... but we thought you already owned the games and the X300. Shouldn't you know :?:

The 7300 line will work well for the majority of those games. As said earlier, a 7600GT for around 130$ will allow you to play newer games (Q4 as you have written) much better.
March 14, 2007 11:56:53 PM

Quote:
X300 play these games in low settings

Should... but we thought you already owned the games and the X300. Shouldn't you know :?:

The 7300 line will work well for the majority of those games. As said earlier, a 7600GT for around 130$ will allow you to play newer games (Q4 as you have written) much better.Well the X300 does play in pretty high settings for Quake 3 Arena and UT 2004 and Jurassic Park but for somereason why I try to play Quake 4 it gets an error message and I can't play. If there is a patch or something I can download to help I would like that link to that site or file so I can get it since if I could I would like to save the money and keep the X300.
March 15, 2007 12:02:01 AM

I found a new beta patch for Quake 4 and its version 1.4 but it's still a beta but I don't know if that will fix this error. Ya everything is ok with the X300 but only problem is that one game called Quake 4. I tried playing that game on the 7300 and it plays soo well even in ultra high graphic settings. But I don't think for the money it's worth it I mean ya it will play Quake 4 and high settings but when newer games comes then my card will be bad and low end again so maybe I should save my money for future cards. Anyways I need help on ideas to make Quake 4 work on X300 since on my box of the game it says ATI Radeon X300 is supported.
March 15, 2007 1:06:42 PM

Quote:
I found a new beta patch for Quake 4 and its version 1.4 but it's still a beta but I don't know if that will fix this error. Ya everything is ok with the X300 but only problem is that one game called Quake 4. I tried playing that game on the 7300 and it plays soo well even in ultra high graphic settings. But I don't think for the money it's worth it I mean ya it will play Quake 4 and high settings but when newer games comes then my card will be bad and low end again so maybe I should save my money for future cards. Anyways I need help on ideas to make Quake 4 work on X300 since on my box of the game it says ATI Radeon X300 is supported.



It seems to me that you don't want to upgrade so just take the card back and be on your way.
March 16, 2007 9:10:51 PM

Posting the said error message might help the situation.
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