Onboard Video

My desktop is a AMD Athlon 64 and it's a 2.2 gig 3700+ with 1 gig ram and a ATI Xpress X300 onboard with 64mb ram and it can go upto 128mb. It's a ATI Xpress 200 chipset. I am using Windows XP Home and my hard drive is 120 gig. Now my question is that is my video card good enough for games? I play UT 2004 and Quake 3 Arena and it plays fine and in high settings. I just use the normal bios settings meaning everything to default so it's only using 64mb out of my 1 gig system ram.
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  1. Old game like that i would think so, there not really demanding just dont expect to play them on HIGH settings. Since you do have an X200 chipset which would mean you have PCI-E it would be best recommanded to buy a X1650XT or 7600GT so you get the most performance.
  2. Well is this video card overall still good? Meaning I don't need to get a different one? I haven't installed this video card yet but I currently own a WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT and its 128mb DDR3 and it's 128bit and also a PCI-E. But I don't know if this card will make any difference at all. But I would like to know how good is this video card.
  3. I want to save most money as possible so if it't not that big difference then I will return the card.
  4. You would do best by getting a better card. I have an ATi X300(just one step above onboard) and it sucks. I try to play COD2 on it and only manage a maximum of 30 FPS with settings on low and res of 800x600. IMO it just doesn't cut it. Both the X1650 and 7600Gt are good choices if you want to game for little money.
  5. What about this video card I currently own? WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT. Is this any better then the onboard X300? If its not big difference then I will return it. By the way even my chipset is X200 its still considered as same as ATI X300. I talked to the ATI techs.
  6. It should be fine for what u do.
  7. Which card? The ATI card or the GeForce?
  8. Your onboard should be finr for Quake 3 arena.

    UT 2004 might be a bit of a challenge for it but I'm sure it'll work if you lower some settings.
  9. The only way to really answer your question is if you tell us what other games you would like to play. More modern games are generally more demanding. For example, if Oblivion or Supreme Commander is on your playlist, then you'll need a more powerful card.
  10. I play games like Quake 4, Quake 3 Arena, UT 2004, Jurassic Park Operation Genesis, StarCraft, Need for speed III: Hot Pursuit and SuperBike from same company as Need for Speed III.
  11. Quake 4 is the most demanding game you play. You will be able to play Q4 with your ATI Xpress on low resolution (640 x 480), but your frame rate will probably be limited to 24fps or less.

    I would upgrade to a better video card if you want better gaming experience in Quake 4. A $50 - $75 GPU will give you much better performance than the integrate Xpress 200.

    Which GPU depends on if your mobo has AGP or PCI-e.
  12. Well do you think that the GeForce 7300 that I have will be good enough? Or should I keep using the onboard ATI Xpress X300 video card and return the GeForce 7300? I guess what I'am asking is that is the WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT video card good enough to replace the onboard ATI X300 video card?
  13. Here are specs on the GeForce 7300 I have.


    Features/Specifications:
    Leadtek WinFast PX7300 GT TDH Extreme 128MB PCIe Video Card with TV-Out


    General Features:
    GeForce 7300 GT GPU
    128 MB DDR3 memory
    PCI Express graphics bus
    GPU/Memory Clock: 520/700 MHz
    Memory Data Rate: 1400 MHz
    Memory interface: 128-bit
    Memory bandwidth (GB/sec.): 22.4
    Fill Rate (billion texels/sec): 4.16
    Vertices/sec (million): 520
    Pixels per clock (peak): 8
    Dual 400 MHz RAMDACs
    Microsoft DirectX 9.0c Shader Model 3.0 Support
    NVIDIA CineFX 4.0 Engine
    NVIDIA UltraShadow II technology
    OpenGL 2.0 optimizations and support
    NVIDIA PureVideo technology
    NVIDIA Intellisample 4.0 technology
    Integrated HDTV encoder
    Dual-Link DVI Support
    NVIDIA nView multi-display technology


    Connectors:
    Two (2) DVI-I
    HDTV (S-Video)


    Regulatory Approvals:
    FCC
    CE

    Package Includes:
    Leadtek WinFast PX7300 GT TDH Extreme 128MB PCIe Video Card
    General guide
    Quick installation guide
    Driver and Utilities CD-ROM
    HDTV cable (S-Video)

    Additional Information:


    Notes:
    Model: WinFast PX7600 GT TDH Extreme
    EAN: 4 710918 133320
    UPC: 6 60757 20591 4


    Requirements:
    Windows 2000/XP
    Available PCI Express slot
    CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive (to load installation software CD)
    VGA or DVI-I compatible monitor
    A minimum recommended 300W system power supply required. For two PX7300 GT running in SLI configurations, a minimum 400W system power supply (with 12V rating of 22A) is recommended
  14. Here are specs on the ATI X300.


    GPU Specifications
    Radeon X300 Technology Specifications
    Four extreme parallel 3D rendering pixel pipelines
    Two programmable vertex shader pipelines
    PCI Express x16 lane native support
    64-bit or 128-bit memory interface supporting 64MB, 128MB, or 256MB DDR1 memory configurations
    Full DirectX® 9 support
    SmartShader™ 2.0
    SmartShader™ defines the level of realism in latest 2D/3D games and applications
    Complete hardware-accelerated Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shader support
    Full hardware support for OpenGL®
    SmoothVision™ 2.1
    SmoothVision™ improves image quality by smoothing jagged edges, improving blurriness and refining background details during on-screen motion and at lower resolutions.
    SmoothVision™ settings are user configurable in ATI Catalyst® Control Panel:
    2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes
    Sparse multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sample patterns, and centroid sampling
    Lossless Color Compression (up to6:1)at all resolutions
    Temporal Anti-Aliasing
    2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes
    Up to 128-tap texture filtering
    Adaptive algorithm with bilinear (performance) and trilinear (quality) options
    HYPER Z™ III
    HyperZ™ ensures optimal hardware performance by discarding irrelevant object data that is not visible to end-user on their display.
    Leverages key features from ATI’s third generation HyperZ™ III technology that conserves video memory bandwidth for improved performance in demanding 2D/3D games and applications.
    Lossless Z-Buffer Compression (up to 48:1)
    Fast Z-Buffer Clear
    Z Cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering
    VideoShader™
    Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
    FullStream™ video de-blocking technology for Real, DivX, and WMV9 formats
    VideoSoap™ noise removal filtering for captured video
    MPEG1/2/4 decode and encode acceleration
    DXVA Support
    Hardware Motion Compensation, iDCT, DCT and color space conversion
    All-format DTV/HDTV decoding
    YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays†
    Adaptive Per-Pixel De-Interlacing and Frame Rate Conversion (temporal filtering)
    Additional Features
    Dual integrated display controllers
    Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
    Integrated 165 MHz TMDS transmitter (DVI 1.0 compliant / HDMI interoperable and HDCP ready*)
    Integrated TV Output support up to 1024x768 resolution
    Windows® Logo Program compliant
    ATI Catalyst® Software Suite
    * Currently there is no commercially available HDCP content. ATI's Radeon® X and Radeon® 9550 series of GPUs are capable of processing HDCP signals ("HDCP ready"), however ATI does not presently manufacture any graphics cards which are HDCP ready. Some third parties manufacture graphics cards containing ATI GPUs -- you can inquire of them which models, if any, -- are HDCP ready.

    2D DISPLAY MODES
    Resolutions, colors and maximum refresh rates (Hz) in 256, 65K or 16.7M colors

    Monitor Resolution Hz
    640x480
    200
    800x600 200
    1024x768 200
    1152x864 200
    1280x1024 160
    1600x1200 120
    1920x1080* 16:9 120
    1920x1200 100
    1920x1440 90
    2048x1536 85

    *16:9 aspect ratio monitors are supported on 1920x1080 and 848x480 on Windows® XP, and Windows® 2000. The complete list of resolutions depends on the driver version and operating system. NOTE: resolutions are limited by the performance of the attached monitor.

    MAXIMUM 3D RESOLUTIONS
    65K colors 2048x1536
    16.7M colors 2048x1536
  15. To get to the point I am trying to decide which video card I should use. One is build on my motherboard and one I got it at the store. If the one I got at the store is not worth much or considered an upgrade from my onboard ATI Xpress X300 then I will return the new card I got and I will use the ATI Xpress X300 that is build on my motherboard.
  16. Quote:
    To get to the point I am trying to decide which video card I should use. One is build on my motherboard and one I got it at the store. If the one I got at the store is not worth much or considered an upgrade from my onboard ATI Xpress X300 then I will return the new card I got and I will use the ATI Xpress X300 that is build on my motherboard.



    You can always try out the card in your system, and if it doesn't make a difference, package it up and get your money back. It's not like software to where if you open up the box you can't take it back- there is no piracy implications with the video card like there is with a game or OS or something like that.

    Hope that helps.
  17. the 7300 is quite a bit better but still not good

    http://tomshardware.co.uk/graphics/charts.html?modelx=33&model1=533&model2=571&chart=212

    i would personally return the 7300 and try to get hold of a 7600 or a x1650 if you can
  18. The 7300GT should give you good results with Quake 4. See the following:

    http://www.techspot.com/review/7-nvidia_geforce_7300gt_vs_ati_radeon_x1600pro/page3.html

    It is definitely an improvement over your integrated video.
  19. That's a DDR3 7300GT people. It's worlds better than the onboard X300 graphics your board has. It performs nearly on par with a reference 7600GS. I would use it if you plan on playing any, more current titles.
  20. Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.
  21. Quote:
    Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.


    Did you bother clicking the link I provided? The 7300GT blows all other value segment dedicated video cards out of the water.

    http://www.techspot.com/review/7-nvidia_geforce_7300gt_vs_ati_radeon_x1600pro/page3.html

    The X300 will barely even handle 1024x768.
  22. Quote:
    Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.


    What part of "worlds better" don't you understand?
  23. Here's the DxDiag file when I use the ATI onboard card with latest drivers.


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    System Information
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    Time of this report: 3/6/2007, 09:20:27
    Machine name: DALLAS
    Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: RS480_
    System Model: AWRDACPI
    BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
    Memory: 958MB RAM
    Page File: 302MB used, 2011MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    DX Setup Parameters: /Silent
    DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

    ------------
    DxDiag Notes
    ------------
    DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
    Display Tab 1: No problems found.
    Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
    Music Tab: No problems found.
    Input Tab: No problems found.
    Network Tab: No problems found.

    --------------------
    DirectX Debug Levels
    --------------------
    Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
    DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
    DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
    DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

    ---------------
    Display Devices
    ---------------
    Card name: ATI Radeon Xpress Series
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI Radeon Xpress Series (0x5974)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5974&SUBSYS_100215BD&REV_00
    Display Memory: 256.0 MB
    Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
    Monitor: KDS Xtreme Flat XF-9b
    Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
    Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
    Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6666 (English)
    DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 2/2/2007 14:03:43, 264704 bytes
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
    VDD: n/a
    Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 2/2/2007 14:03:25, 1975296 bytes
    Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-1A34-11CF-076C-0830A1C2CB35}
    Vendor ID: 0x1002
    Device ID: 0x5974
    SubSys ID: 0x100215BD
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV8_B ModeWMV8_A ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
    Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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    Registry: OK
    DDraw Status: Enabled
    D3D Status: Enabled
    AGP Status: Enabled
    DDraw Test Result: Not run
    D3D7 Test Result: Not run
    D3D8 Test Result: Not run
    D3D9 Test Result: Not run
  24. Here's the DxDiag when I add the new video card.


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    System Information
    ------------------
    Time of this report: 3/14/2007, 15:02:37
    Machine name: DALLAS
    Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.061219-0316)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: RS480_
    System Model: AWRDACPI
    BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3700+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.2GHz
    Memory: 1022MB RAM
    Page File: 298MB used, 2064MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    DX Setup Parameters: /Silent
    DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode

    ------------
    DxDiag Notes
    ------------
    DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
    Display Tab 1: No problems found.
    Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
    Music Tab: No problems found.
    Input Tab: No problems found.
    Network Tab: No problems found.

    --------------------
    DirectX Debug Levels
    --------------------
    Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
    DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
    DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
    DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

    ---------------
    Display Devices
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    Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT
    Manufacturer: NVIDIA
    Chip type: GeForce 7300 GT
    DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0393&SUBSYS_208F107D&REV_A1
    Display Memory: 128.0 MB
    Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (85Hz)
    Monitor: KDS Xtreme Flat XF-9b
    Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
    Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
    Driver Version: 6.14.0010.9371 (English)
    DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 4527488 bytes
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
    VDD: n/a
    Mini VDD: nv4_mini.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 10/22/2006 12:22:00, 3994624 bytes
    Device Identifier: {D7B71E3E-40D3-11CF-5657-850000C2CB35}
    Vendor ID: 0x10DE
    Device ID: 0x0393
    SubSys ID: 0x208F107D
    Revision ID: 0x00A1
    Revision ID: 0x00A1
    Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_B ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D ModeWMV9_B ModeWMV9_A
    Deinterlace Caps: {212DC724-3235-44A4-BD29-E1652BBCC71C}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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    Registry: OK
    DDraw Status: Enabled
    D3D Status: Enabled
    AGP Status: Enabled
    DDraw Test Result: Not run
    D3D7 Test Result: Not run
    D3D8 Test Result: Not run
    D3D9 Test Result: Not run
  25. Quote:
    Well I did find out that the X300 on my motherboard is the same as the X300 that is a dedicated card I talked to the tech guys at ATI so that's good. But is the GeForce 7300 really way better than the ATI Radeon X300? Since if you just say it's better but not that much difference then I will return it and save the money for other things.


    What part of "worlds better" don't you understand?

    This kid's either a)10 years old or b)rides the short bus :twisted:
  26. Posting the DxDiag file means nothing.

    Look at the performance benchmarks in the link I posted. The slowest card in the comparison is the Radeon X1300 and that's more powerful than the integrated graphics chip you have.
  27. A GDDR3 7300GT will not only outperform onboard X300 graphics, it will kick it's ass, take it's milk money, steal it's girlfirend, score with it's mom, beat up it's dad and solve world peace and hunger before dinner.

    However, if the ATI X300 seems to be working for you in all of the current games you own and you're happy with it, then return the GDDR 7300GT and buy a newer discrete, more powerful, graphics card later on down the road when you need one.
  28. I agree with Annobis. Though I must ask:

    Quote:
    beat up it's dad and solve world peace


    Isn't that a bit contradictory? lol :D
  29. Quote:
    What about this video card I currently own? WinFast PX7300 Extreme GT TDH Nvidia GeForce 7300 GT. Is this any better then the onboard X300? If its not big difference then I will return it. By the way even my chipset is X200 its still considered as same as ATI X300. I talked to the ATI techs.


    The 7300GT is certainly better that your onboard chip, although it is far from being a powerhouse. Your question really depends on what games you wish to play and what settings you wish to play them at. Please elaborate.
  30. The list is chronologically organized. :wink:
  31. 7300 is not that much different to your onboard graphics. Just that it will have its own dedicated RAM rather than pinching some of the onboard memory. Oh and there maybe more connectors for DVI and SVideo output.

    Dont bother with the 7300 or the X1300 cards - they are just a step up from your card so you will be wasting your money. My mate is building a rig based on a motherboard with similar onboard graphics - he tried several of the low end cards your thinking about purchasing and he wasnt too impressed with the improvement - in fact he failed to see any so hes gone back to his onboard chip.

    That was until I reccommended him the X1600PRO card. I have the Sapphire 512MB X1600 PRO AGP cards and I have been happy with it ever since. Its £100, runs HL2 very well (about 50fps @ 1280x1024x32 with all settings on High, if you have a 17in monitor then drop it down to 1024 x 768 and it is literally like liquid). NFS Carbon ran ok on High settings at 1024 x 768, BF2 runs at high @ 1024x768 whereas Quake 4 ran OK at 1024x768 at Ultra (baring in mind you can only run on ultra with 512MB graphics memory or more). This card also has support for Pixel Shader Model 3 - something which I dont think the X1300 PRO supports - simply put all your games look that much better and run smoother! High Dynamic Range Maps in HL2 Lost Coast also reported for me an average frame rate of 50fps with all the settings on high, AA and other crap turned to the max. And yes Quake III Arena will run at the highest settings easily! These are the specs I get from my PC which as you can see is over two years old - imagine the wonders it will do for your PC.

    Simply put, the low end cards with X1300 or 7300 wont give you that same improvement that will make you think you spent your money well. Save up for at least £100 for the graphics card, get a X1600 PRO and you will feel that is money well spent.

    I reccommend ATi simply because of the features and ease of use for the drivers. With nVidia I have had plenty of problems with drivers and configuration, and upgrading it was such a nightmare. ATi was a much simpler process and personally I think the image quality of ATi is better than nVidia.

    Of course this is going to open a flame war between ATi and nVidia fan boys so Ill duck out before the war begins and finish by saying X1600 PRO or X1650 PRO (the better card) all the way!!
  32. Ok I tried the game using the onboard X300 and it didn't give me really any good details but it just said basic error message in the game console were you can copy and past. I don't know why it doesn't give any details on why it doesn't work. I tried playing the full game with the latest patch since I have the full game. Do I need to download a driver or get something to play this game? I didn't get a windows error message I just got a control pannel like error message with no details.
  33. Won't even the card he has free up CPU power to do other things, thus helping overall system speed tho? Also freeing up that chunk of RAM as well? That's gotta count in there somewhere too, at least to me.

    Just a thought.
  34. Well my system specs are on my signature. I have more than enough ram since it's 1 gig as you see so I don't think taking 64mb will hurt it alot right? I can make it so it will share up to 128mb on video ram if I changed the bios settings.
  35. Quote:
    Well my system specs are on my signature. I have more than enough ram since it's 1 gig as you see so I don't think taking 64mb will hurt it alot right?


    Well, it's just my personal belief that you want all your resources dedicated to doing what they are meant for, and not tryin to do that AND running video and stuff like that. I would use that video card you bought, and dis-able your your onboard stuff in your bios. It gives you dedicated video with a dedicated ram set (which I think is faster than regular ram) and a dedicated chipset that is alot better than your onboard stuff, frees up your standard ram, and frees up your cpu to do its normal stuff faster. That make sense?
  36. Dude... dude. Shut the hell up, click on that 7300GT link that jaguar posted, and hit BUY. Even a 7300GS is gonna rock your X300. I had that same onboard video, upgraded to a 7300GS and was able to; 1. stop those errors you see, and; 2. triple my frame rate. Buying a DDR3 7300GT is almost twice as fast as the DDR2 7300GS (so what does this tell you?).

    Pull your head from thy ass and read.
  37. Well it's only 128mb not 256 or more so even it's DDR3 it's still 128mb. Plus that other person said that it's not big difference on the two he said it's better to use the ATI since it's easier and faster. He also said buying the low end 7300 won't give you improvements.
  38. Quote:
    Well it's only 128mb not 256 or more so even it's DDR3 it's still 128mb. Plus that other person said that it's not big difference on the two he said it's better to use the ATI since it's easier and faster. He also said buying the low end 7300 won't give you improvements.


    OK dude, I'm gonna try once more... obviously you are not reading or comprehending this correctly...the card you bought is loads better than your onboard! I would use it for all the reasons listed above! If you don't want to use it and stick with your crap video onboard, knock yourself out, but you'll STILL have problems and STILL have crappy video and STILL be wasting resources.

    Your move.
  39. I really suggest going for a 7600gs or gt.
  40. I wish I could find a comparison man, but you have 5 testimonials against 1. Scouts honor when I say I tripled my frame rate. It took games from an unplayable 800x600 at low settings to smooth at 1024x768 and playable at medium/high settings; and this is a 60$ 7300GS.

    Find yourself a 7300GT with 256mb of ram. DDR3 if you can but if you can't it will still be worth each penny compared to the useless onboard.
  41. Blacken, this isn't particularly directed at you, so sorry for the reply.

    To all people who have posted in this thread: READ THE ORIGINAL POST!

    To answer your question, the 7300GT that you already own will ravage, savage, pillage, pwn, or whatever word you want to use, your onboard graphics. You will see a big difference in performance if you crank up your graphics quality just a little in the games you're playing.

    That being said, that card is not a powerful graphics card. WAY better than any onboard solution, but that's really not saying much. I have an 11-year-old Matrox MGA (yes, I am that old) that would just about keep up with onboard graphics, if it only had 3d capabilities. But I digress.

    There is no reason to go buy a more powerful card if the games you listed are all you ever play. The 7300GT will be fine. There's really nothing around that same price that'll beat it. $50 more and you could get something really good (like an X1650 or 7600GT, as suggested earlier). Neither would really be required to play what you want to, though.

    I hope that this helped some.

    -J
  42. @marshahu & cmptrdude79

    Read my posts very carefully.
  43. Here's the exact same 7300 card I got it even looks the same and the box that it came with is this same so I know for sure that this is the exact card I got.


    WinFast PX7300 GT
  44. Ok here's the list of games I play alot. Would the ATI Xpress X300 play well enough with these games? I don't have to have the highest setting or so I just need to know that if the ATI Xpress X300 will play the games fine in low settings at least.


    Quake 3 Arena
    Quake 3: Team Arena
    Quake 4
    Unreal Tournament
    UT 2004
    Jurassic Park: Operation Genesis
    Thief: Gold
    Superbike
    Need for speed III: Hot Pursute
    StarCraft
    StarCraft: Brood War


    These are games I play sometimes

    Primal Prey
    Dino Crisis
    Croc 2
    Lilo and Stitch collection pack
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    X300 play these games in low settings

    Should... but we thought you already owned the games and the X300. Shouldn't you know :?:

    The 7300 line will work well for the majority of those games. As said earlier, a 7600GT for around 130$ will allow you to play newer games (Q4 as you have written) much better.
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    X300 play these games in low settings

    Should... but we thought you already owned the games and the X300. Shouldn't you know :?:

    The 7300 line will work well for the majority of those games. As said earlier, a 7600GT for around 130$ will allow you to play newer games (Q4 as you have written) much better.Well the X300 does play in pretty high settings for Quake 3 Arena and UT 2004 and Jurassic Park but for somereason why I try to play Quake 4 it gets an error message and I can't play. If there is a patch or something I can download to help I would like that link to that site or file so I can get it since if I could I would like to save the money and keep the X300.
  47. I found a new beta patch for Quake 4 and its version 1.4 but it's still a beta but I don't know if that will fix this error. Ya everything is ok with the X300 but only problem is that one game called Quake 4. I tried playing that game on the 7300 and it plays soo well even in ultra high graphic settings. But I don't think for the money it's worth it I mean ya it will play Quake 4 and high settings but when newer games comes then my card will be bad and low end again so maybe I should save my money for future cards. Anyways I need help on ideas to make Quake 4 work on X300 since on my box of the game it says ATI Radeon X300 is supported.
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    I found a new beta patch for Quake 4 and its version 1.4 but it's still a beta but I don't know if that will fix this error. Ya everything is ok with the X300 but only problem is that one game called Quake 4. I tried playing that game on the 7300 and it plays soo well even in ultra high graphic settings. But I don't think for the money it's worth it I mean ya it will play Quake 4 and high settings but when newer games comes then my card will be bad and low end again so maybe I should save my money for future cards. Anyways I need help on ideas to make Quake 4 work on X300 since on my box of the game it says ATI Radeon X300 is supported.



    It seems to me that you don't want to upgrade so just take the card back and be on your way.
  49. Posting the said error message might help the situation.
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