No, it's not another gaming rig thread

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heya gents (and ladies if there are any) :)

if you cant tell from the post count, im new around these parts and im looking for some confirmation, help, criticism, or ridicule. no, its not another gaming rig. if it were, id read one of the other 7142 threads about them (which ive already done anyways ;) ). this is going to be a 90% home/office productivity / 10% game rig.

80% of the gaming i do is sports management simulation type stuff (Football Manager, Out of the Park Baseball, Bowl Bound College Football, etc.) that requires very little graphics support, but i do wield the occasional battle axe, SR-25 sniper rifle, or Titleist 907D1 driver. so, i dont need the latest and greatest DX10 capable video monster, but i would like something respectable for those rare occasions.

like i said before, 90% of the time will be spent with things like Excel, Access, SQL, Opera, 7-Zip, Outlook, etc. i should also mention that this computer doesnt need to be flashy in the audio department because this room has a badass stereo setup and i'll never use this computer for movie watching because theres also a huge plama in there.

with all that said, id like to stay under $1000 and leave myself options for the future. im not in any rush, so i could wait until late April if that proves to be the wisest move (can you tell where im going with that?).

enough talk, more action. here's what im thinking:

Intel E4300 OC'd to 3.2+ - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115013
MSI P6N SLI Platinum - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813130081
EVGA GeForce 7600 GT - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130062
Patriot eXtreme Performance DDR2 800 (2 x 1gb) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220144
Cooler Master Centurion 534 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119106 (can i use this without the blue LEDs?)
Cooler Master iGreen 600w SLI ready - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817171011

ive got 2 Western Digital 120gb 7200rpm IDE hard drives that are less than a year old that i will be pilfering from a 500 MHz IBM desktop that still runs windows 98 first edition (with ATI Rage 128 graphics card :lol: ) that i am replacing, so id like to go with the MCP55 or ICH7R southbridge to prevent usign a 3rd party solution, but im open to suggestion on that.

ive already bought the memory (couldnt pass up that deal) and dont really want to replace the hard drives, but other than that, im open to ideas on everything else. ive thought about this Asus mobo instead. the MSI gives me a few more features, although, none of them are essential to my needs. the Asus is a bit cheaper. im willing to wait until late April to go with a 4mb cache chip, if that makes more sense for my needs. i'll probably, eventually, get a 2nd 7600GT as well, but for now, i'd like to try getting by with just one.

fire away!

edit: almost forgot...ive already got a 20" LCD (1400x1050) too
 

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Looks good for a budget build. I suggest that you spend a little more and get the E6300 and a SATAII Hard drive.
No, for OCing the E4300 is superior because of the multiplier and the 800fsb
 

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Looks good for a budget build. I suggest that you spend a little more and get the E6300 and a SATAII Hard drive.
i was planning on using the 2 uATA/100 drives in RAID 0 to get more performance out of them. i guess i dont really see the benefit of buying a third HD at this point. its not like i would just toss the other 2 drives and use the SATA II only, especially when they work perfectly fine and still have 40% capacity. what is your reasoning behind it?

as far as the 6300, if i were going to run at stock, then id wait until the 6320 hits in April and take advantage of the 4mb cache. what is the benefit of buying it now?

dont get me wrong, i appreciate the help and im not dismissing your input, but im not the kinda guy that will just buy into an opinion without knowing the basis for the opinion :)
 

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here I go!!!

Change mobo for this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131142

And GFX for this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130056

It will handle all the games to date and OCes like hell.
The board also OCes good. But those 650 chipsets are crazy with fsb holes.

Here's a 650 review and fsb guide (depends on bios though):
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2946
yea i read that article yesterday ;)

im curious about your opinion as well. it appears you lean toward a lesser mobo and better GPU, but does that fit my scenario? i mean, will a 7600 GT not be adequate enough for an occasional NWN2, Tiger Woods, Splinter Cell, all-nighter?
 

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here I go!!!

Change mobo for this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131142

And GFX for this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130056

It will handle all the games to date and OCes like hell.
The board also OCes good. But those 650 chipsets are crazy with fsb holes.

Here's a 650 review and fsb guide (depends on bios though):
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2946
yea i read that article yesterday ;)

im curious about your opinion as well. it appears you lean toward a lesser mobo and better GPU, but does that fit my scenario? i mean, will a 7600 GT not be adequate enough for an occasional NWN2, Tiger Woods, Splinter Cell, all-nighter?

As you said in the previous post, the msi has more features but you won't use them, so, this was to save money and buy a better gfx card. But you're right, for that games the 7600GT is more than enough. At that price I won't even consider a 7600GS (but this would be enough too).

But check this out:
I assumed you wanted an 650 mobo because of the native support for 4 Pata devices, but since you wanna put a pata raid controller you may be better off with a Gigabyte DS3 mobo which is superior and already comes in revision 3.3 which is more mature.
 

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But check this out:
I assumed you wanted an 650 mobo because of the native support for 4 Pata devices, but since you wanna put a pata raid controller you may be better off with a Gigabyte DS3 mobo which is superior and already comes in revision 3.3 which is more mature.
i dont know what the hell i was thinking. i completely forgot that i was going to be using the RAID controller, so i dont really _have_ to go with the ICH7R or MS55 for native IDE support :oops:

is this the giga mobo you are speaking of? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012

ok then, another set of choices....

A) SLI ready mobo with 7600GT now
B) non-SLI ready mobo with 7600GT now

if i decided later on that i would like to upgrade in the graphics area, would i better off spending another $100 or less to get a second 7600GT ($200 total for 2x7600GT in SLI) or spending $200 to get a new card like a 7900GT or better ($300 total for 1x 7600GT now and 1x7900GT or better later)? i guess the answer to this might decide whether or not its better for me to go with the non-SLI Gigabyte mobo or the SLI ready MSI mobo.
 

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That's the mobo I´m talking about.

Go for a 7600GT now for $99.99 and later if u want, upgrade for whatever you want.

Forget SLI, any X19xx or 8800 kills two 7600GT in SLI.. At the moment you can find a X1950XT sub$200 and a better one (8800GTS 320Mb) for $260. Later you choose.

PS. 7900GT is the worst buy at the moment.
 

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Why the SLI mobo? Seriously. Not with a 7600gt or 7900GS. Drop the SLI mobos. A single, better card will always trounce two lesser cards, and is likely cheaper and consumes less power. SLI is only a good option in very limited circumstances, and this isn't one of them.

Good single PCI-e mobo? Are you overclocking? If so, Biostar 965PT or Gigabyte 965P-DS3....2 different price ranges there.

If no overclocking, then MSI Neo-F.

And if not OC'ing, then get cheaper RAM too.
 

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Your list:

Intel E4300 OC'd to 3.2+ - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115013
MSI P6N SLI Platinum - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813130081
EVGA GeForce 7600 GT - http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814130062
Patriot eXtreme Performance DDR2 800 (2 x 1gb) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220144
Cooler Master Centurion 534 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119106 (can i use this without the blue LEDs?)
Cooler Master iGreen 600w SLI ready - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817171011

My changes:

1.) MSI P6N SLI Platinum

For

GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128017

reasons: great motherboard for the price, good overclockability.

2.) EVGA GeForce 7600 GT

For

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130082

reasons: one of the best performers which will keep you from spending more money for some time, you can use step-up program incase something better comes along the way. (and will pretty much RAPE any 7600GT sli setup)

it comes to about $910 + taxes and shipping expenses, stays still on budget and its a lot more future proof.
 

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Why the SLI mobo? Seriously. Not with a 7600gt or 7900GS. Drop the SLI mobos. A single, better card will always trounce two lesser cards, and is likely cheaper and consumes less power. SLI is only a good option in very limited circumstances, and this isn't one of them.

Good single PCI-e mobo? Are you overclocking? If so, Biostar 965PT or Gigabyte 965P-DS3....2 different price ranges there.

If no overclocking, then MSI Neo-F.

And if not OC'ing, then get cheaper RAM too.
my thought process was:

MSI P6N SLI + 7600GT now + 7600GT later = $350ish
Giga DS3 + 7600GT now + better card later = $400ish

on the other hand:

MSI P6N SLI + 7600GT now + 7600GT later = $350ish
MSI P6N SLI + 7600GT now = $265
Giga DS3 + 7900GS now = $265
Giga DS3 + 7600GT now = $235

now that i say it out loud and bounce ideas off you kind folks, i see it may be better in the long run to go with the Giga + 7x00Gx now. i guess its just up to me whether i think $30 (900 GS vs 600GT) is worth it for a gaming-is-secondary setup.

this is exactly the reason i decided to register and post before buying. thanks gents :)
 

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Yeah, 7600GT SLi isn't worth it. Single card solutions are ALWAYS better price/performance than dual cards.

DS3+7900GS is a solid combo for mild or moderate gaming. The 8800GTS suggested earlier is totally overkill.
 

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2.) EVGA GeForce 7600 GT

For

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130082

reasons: one of the best performers which will keep you from spending more money for some time, you can use step-up program incase something better comes along the way. (and will pretty much RAPE any 7600GT sli setup)

it comes to about $910 + taxes and shipping expenses, stays still on budget and its a lot more future proof.
:lol:

i guess you missed the whole part about me not needing the latest and greatest gaming card because i'll never use its capabilities. thanks, but i'll pass on the $300 vid card suggestion :roll:
 

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Yeah, 7600GT SLi isn't worth it. Single card solutions are ALWAYS better price/performance than dual cards.

DS3+7900GS is a solid combo for mild or moderate gaming. The 8800GTS suggested earlier is totally overkill.
yea, thats most likely what i'll go with. it seems like the best compromise in this scenario.
 

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Yeah, 7600GT SLi isn't worth it. Single card solutions are ALWAYS better price/performance than dual cards.

DS3+7900GS is a solid combo for mild or moderate gaming. The 8800GTS suggested earlier is totally overkill.

I ain't doing mild/moderate gaming with my 7900GS.
Heavy gaming all the way with these clocks :twisted:
 

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Your mobo will say right on it whether it's a Rev.2 or a Rev.3. Look at the Gigabyte label on the front, near the middle. It might also be tucked very small into one corner of the board. Just gotta find it.
 

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No, I'll wait to see what ATI has to offer. And for some DX10 benches for both manufactures. Then I make my move :)

But I was tempted to get a GTS 640Mb...hell no! I must wait! Gotta be strong and focused...Arghhhh!!!!
 

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Your mobo will say right on it whether it's a Rev.2 or a Rev.3. Look at the Gigabyte label on the front, near the middle. It might also be tucked very small into one corner of the board. Just gotta find it.
hard for me to look at it when i dont have it yet :lol:

i meant BEFORE i order it from newegg. their listing doesnt say which of the revisions it is and their link to the Gigabyte website take you to the revision 1 product page. i want to make sure that when i order, im going to get the revision 3 model ;)
 

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