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It's Official: 3 GHz Core2 for $266

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March 15, 2007 5:28:09 AM

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6484

Prices are for Q3. AMD better launch Barcelona at VERY LOW price points because an overclocked E6850 will be hard to beat, no matter how good Barcelona is.

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March 15, 2007 5:48:51 AM

The 1333FSB CPU's are going to be a bytch to Overclock compared to their current 800 and 1066Mhz Counterparts, and i would suspect you would need DDR3 Rated RAM to compete with the 800 and 1066Mhz brothering If claims are true then the 2.9Ghz Kuma would be equivalent to 4 Ghz Core 2 Duo and the 2.6Ghz Barcelona would be around equivalent to a 3.6Ghz Core 2 Quad :D 

And I hope the Top of the bin Barcelona and Kuma would Overclock to 3Ghz range or better. So that even 3.0Ghz K10(k8L) would give a super clocked Core CPU Run for it's money.
March 15, 2007 6:01:41 AM

wow i was going to build a computer but i am waiting now

My eyes look like this when i see these price's 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O

i will get this one of the

Pricing
E4400 2.00 GHz 2MB 800 MHz
$113 8O 8O

E2140 1.60 GHz 1MB 800 MHz
$74 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O
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March 15, 2007 6:39:24 AM

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wow i was going to build a computer but i am waiting now



Yeah, I know what you mean.

I was going to build a PC around the Athlon X2 4800+ this time last year. That was until Intel demoed the Core 2 Duo. I postedponed my build until Sept. 2006.
March 15, 2007 9:47:19 AM

I wouldn't mind to upgrade after the price drops but I don't have the cash for a mobo change and psu upgrade and everything. I'll wait till about christmas when all the new things are out and I actually have some money again and then go with what is the best value for my money.
March 15, 2007 9:50:40 AM

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The 1333FSB CPU's are going to be a bytch to Overclock compared to their current 800 and 1066Mhz Counterparts, and i would suspect you would need DDR3 Rated RAM to compete with the 800 and 1066Mhz brothering If claims are true then the 2.9Ghz Kuma would be equivalent to 4 Ghz Core 2 Duo and the 2.6Ghz Barcelona would be around equivalent to a 3.6Ghz Core 2 Quad :D 

And I hope the Top of the bin Barcelona and Kuma would Overclock to 3Ghz range or better. So that even 3.0Ghz K10(k8L) would give a super clocked Core CPU Run for it's money.


Asus listed their motherboard compatible with he FSB 1333 but they specified that you need minimum DDR2 667 for most of board but it would be okay with DDR2 533 with some chipset i975x and n680.
March 15, 2007 10:15:09 AM

8O <--jaw drops hits the floor

:oops:  <-- picks up jaw off the floor

8O <-- jaw drops again on to the floor
March 15, 2007 10:50:29 AM

Heloooooo E6850 :)  One of these are just begging to take the place of my E6300 come Q3!
March 15, 2007 1:40:21 PM

WOW! Do we have to line up now to get one?
March 15, 2007 2:46:57 PM

I can't help thinking that Intel plans to release QC CPUs to fill up the 300-500 price segment. That would be totally awesome.
March 15, 2007 4:39:41 PM

A 3GHz stock Core 2 for $266(!!!!!!!!11) is just plain awsome. I bought an x2 4800+ as a final upgrade for my socket 939 just three months ago. If this was around then, I may have just went all new. Oh well...I'll get plenty of use out this final upgrade.

This will still make one rock solid build for a very good price, especially if mobos that support this chip can be got without bleeding the wallet.
March 15, 2007 5:48:43 PM

Yeah, I've had mine since September, of course minus 2mb of cache.
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March 15, 2007 6:13:32 PM

Yep thats awesome. I might even have to thank the wife for blowing so much money at christmas that I put off my new build. Bought the 1950Pro as a bandaid to my aging system instead. Now I'm pretty darn glad I wasn't able to build when I wanted. Looks like I'm about to get a lot more for my money by summer or so. 8O :D 
March 15, 2007 6:42:45 PM

Ever get the feeling that Dual Core will be entry level in Q3 and take the place of the Celerons.

Makes me wonder if an Octa Core is Lurking in Q3-Q4 to become the new top of the hill. :p 
March 15, 2007 6:45:17 PM

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Ever get the feeling that Dual Core will be entry level in Q3 and take the place of the Celerons.

Makes me wonder if an Octa Core is Lurking in Q3-Q4 to become the new top of the hill. :p 


What a FSB of around 2GHz :wink:
March 15, 2007 6:55:20 PM

I'm not so sure if this revision for dual cores is worth the crazy hype people are throwing around (please read below before jumping on me for that statement).

So, for the "sweetspot" chip we're looking at the e6850 @ 3ghz and 1333 FSB (333 x 9 multi). That's basically a conservatively OC'd e6600. They've essensially just increased FSB. All in all, your looking at a $40 price drop from e6600 to e6850 imo; just a "factory overclocked" chip. A good deal, but nothing extraordinary.

I'd be much more excited about the revision if they had increased the multi to 10x, but left the FSB at 1066 on the e6850. And I might be mistaken, but isn't this the first time a chipmaker has increased FSB instead of multi for a revision?

Q6600 for $266... that's a deal :D 
March 15, 2007 6:56:18 PM

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Ever get the feeling that Dual Core will be entry level in Q3 and take the place of the Celerons.

Makes me wonder if an Octa Core is Lurking in Q3-Q4 to become the new top of the hill. :p 


An "octa-core" would be something of interest for the 1000 dollar mark. 8 Cores @ 2.66ghz -3.0ghz? I'm in. Now cooling and OCing that beast is another thing. Peltier plates anyone?

I'd almost rather see a quad core @ 3.5 ghz OC'able to 5-5.5ghz, but i'm probably just dreaming.

I think Quad will be the standard in 2 years. Octa-Core will be different and might not find a user market for another 5 years (although who can say, its not even out yet :lol: . I'm just talking about of my @$$. ).

I'm looking forward to the 45nm quad cores. Maybe some prices / speeds will be released soon?
March 15, 2007 7:12:14 PM

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Ever get the feeling that Dual Core will be entry level in Q3 and take the place of the Celerons.

Makes me wonder if an Octa Core is Lurking in Q3-Q4 to become the new top of the hill. :p 


An "octa-core" would be something of interest for the 1000 dollar mark. 8 Cores @ 2.66ghz -3.0ghz? I'm in. Now cooling and OCing that beast is another thing. Peltier plates anyone?

I'd almost rather see a quad core @ 3.5 ghz OC'able to 5-5.5ghz, but i'm probably just dreaming.

I think Quad will be the standard in 2 years. Octa-Core will be different and might not find a user market for another 5 years (although who can say, its not even out yet :lol: . I'm just talking about of my @$$. ).

I'm looking forward to the 45nm quad cores. Maybe some prices / speeds will be released soon?

A Octa Core just seems the natural progression of things for Intel. When they put 4 cores on one chip they will be able to put two of them side by side like they did for the Quad cores. This is the strength of having the Memory controller on the MB. Makes yeilds much higher also and gives flexibility in your product line up.

Of course I am talking out my Arse-whole. When does Intel come out with the 45nm discreate Quad? Isn't that Nahelam(sp) in mid-2008????

Dammmit, I want my OctaCore/8 gigs of ram/Vista64/DX10 Vid. Card wonder computer and a real game that will choke the processor/vid. card down till it only runs at 60 fps. on my 60" LCD monitor. :cry:  [goes back to corner and curls up in fetal position[/quote] weeping]
March 15, 2007 7:12:48 PM

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http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=6484

Prices are for Q3. AMD better launch Barcelona at VERY LOW price points because an overclocked E6850 will be hard to beat, no matter how good Barcelona is.


Seems to me the are several possibilities...

1) - Barcelona absolutely rocks to keep up

OR

2) - AMD is in very, very deep $h*t

Seriously, an E6850 for $268 bucks.. this makes a 5000+ what, a $99 part?

Absolutley F&*king amazing.......

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March 15, 2007 7:23:10 PM

Do keep in mind that the $266 price is in 1,000 unit quantities. The price we as individuals will pay will probably be more than that. Still it looks like a good deal for the money, even if Newegg prices it around $400.

Yo_kid37: I would really like to some some benches released on the Agena, Kuma, and Barcelona chips. Until that happens, all anybody can do is make guesses about the performance differences.
March 15, 2007 8:11:03 PM

I actually read yesterday, that they will have a quad core q6400 for 266 when amd launches the barcelon, if amd cant give me a quad for 266 dollars, im gona grab it.
March 15, 2007 10:14:36 PM

1000 bin prices usually come about 2 months after release.
March 15, 2007 10:23:41 PM

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I actually read yesterday, that they will have a quad core q6400 for 266 when amd launches the barcelon, if amd cant give me a quad for 266 dollars, im gona grab it.


I'm with you on that. I'm no fan of Intel, but if the coming AMD chips aren't at least very close, both in price and performance, there will be an Intel inside my machine.
March 15, 2007 10:40:40 PM

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The 1333FSB CPU's are going to be a bytch to Overclock compared to their current 800 and 1066Mhz Counterparts, and i would suspect you would need DDR3 Rated RAM to compete with the 800 and 1066Mhz brothering If claims are true then the 2.9Ghz Kuma would be equivalent to 4 Ghz Core 2 Duo and the 2.6Ghz Barcelona would be around equivalent to a 3.6Ghz Core 2 Quad :D 

And I hope the Top of the bin Barcelona and Kuma would Overclock to 3Ghz range or better. So that even 3.0Ghz K10(k8L) would give a super clocked Core CPU Run for it's money.


I'm sorry but I will have to see it to believe it. I like AMD but a C2D is a great chip no matter who makes it. Something else to look at is the price point of the upcoming C2D's. It could be a very difficult year for AMD no matter how good their new chips are based on those prices.
March 15, 2007 11:17:21 PM

And once this comes out, AMD will have something even better on the horizon. And once AMD's even better product comes out, Intel will have something even better on the horizon. And once Intel's even better product comes out, AMD will have something even better on the horizon. And once AMD's...

It could go on forever.
March 16, 2007 12:16:21 AM

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The 1333FSB CPU's are going to be a bytch to Overclock compared to their current 800 and 1066Mhz Counterparts, and i would suspect you would need DDR3 Rated RAM to compete with the 800 and 1066Mhz brothering If claims are true then the 2.9Ghz Kuma would be equivalent to 4 Ghz Core 2 Duo and the 2.6Ghz Barcelona would be around equivalent to a 3.6Ghz Core 2 Quad :D 

And I hope the Top of the bin Barcelona and Kuma would Overclock to 3Ghz range or better. So that even 3.0Ghz K10(k8L) would give a super clocked Core CPU Run for it's money.


What claims? I thought it was meant to be 40% faster than K8, which would make it around 15% faster than Core2 clock for clock.
March 16, 2007 12:22:44 AM

I think the best bang for the buck will be the E4500, I mean you can rise the FSB to let's say 455? and voila...!!! we will have a C2D at 5Ghz 8O for 133$ that's a damn good price... for a chip...!!!


Cheers Sam
March 16, 2007 4:39:54 AM

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The 1333FSB CPU's are going to be a bytch to Overclock compared to their current 800 and 1066Mhz Counterparts, and i would suspect you would need DDR3 Rated RAM to compete with the 800 and 1066Mhz brothering If claims are true then the 2.9Ghz Kuma would be equivalent to 4 Ghz Core 2 Duo and the 2.6Ghz Barcelona would be around equivalent to a 3.6Ghz Core 2 Quad :D 

And I hope the Top of the bin Barcelona and Kuma would Overclock to 3Ghz range or better. So that even 3.0Ghz K10(k8L) would give a super clocked Core CPU Run for it's money.


That's exactly right. This revision is going to be very hard to OC due to the high FSB. e6850 is basically an OC'd e6600. $266 is a very good price, but not ridiculously good.

Not sure about Barcelona performance, but I suspect Intel knows something about its performance which is why they're drastically cutting prices on C2Ds.
March 16, 2007 6:16:27 AM

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That's exactly right. This revision is going to be very hard to OC due to the high FSB. e6850 is basically an OC'd e6600. $266 is a very good price, but not ridiculously good.


This I don't get, and it's a common misconception. I've seen this comment tooooo many times not to correct it, because it is simply wrong, and should be pretty obvious to most if you took a sec to think it over. ;) 

Anyone saying an E6850 is hard to overclock is basically saying an E6600 is hard to overclock, which is clearly not the case. They both share the same multiplier, and thus at the same clockspeeds share the same FSB speed, so how can one be 'hard to overclock' and the other not?.

E6850 - 1333MHz (333MHz) * 9x multiplier = 3000MHz
E6600 - 1066MHz (266MHz) * 9x multiplier = 2400MHz

See? :wink:

Many E6600s are capable of 3.5GHz or above (with good cooling), so realistically an E6850 should achieve the same, if not better results due to (possibly) more stringent binning.

The 'hardest' to overclock chips will be the lower end 1333MHz FSB models due to the lower multiplier, but this is no different than overclocking with low multiplier E6300/E6400 chips, and people have had a lot of success overclocking these chips. It all comes down to mobo and RAM choices, there are 500MHz FSB capable boards and plenty of RAM can reach DDR2-1000 speeds, if you are prepared to pay a bit extra of course. 8)
March 16, 2007 7:08:34 AM

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That's exactly right. This revision is going to be very hard to OC due to the high FSB. e6850 is basically an OC'd e6600. $266 is a very good price, but not ridiculously good.


This I don't get, and it's a common misconception. I've seen this comment tooooo many times not to correct it, because it is simply wrong, and should be pretty obvious to most if you took a sec to think it over. ;) 

Anyone saying an E6850 is hard to overclock is basically saying an E6600 is hard to overclock, which is clearly not the case. They both share the same multiplier, and thus at the same clockspeeds share the same FSB speed, so how can one be 'hard to overclock' and the other not?.

E6850 - 1333MHz (333MHz) * 9x multiplier = 3000MHz
E6600 - 1066MHz (266MHz) * 9x multiplier = 2400MHz

See? :wink:

Many E6600s are capable of 3.5GHz or above (with good cooling), so realistically an E6850 should achieve the same, if not better results due to (possibly) more stringent binning.

The 'hardest' to overclock chips will be the lower end 1333MHz FSB models due to the lower multiplier, but this is no different than overclocking with low multiplier E6300/E6400 chips, and people have had a lot of success overclocking these chips. It all comes down to mobo and RAM choices, there are 500MHz FSB capable boards and plenty of RAM can reach DDR2-1000 speeds, if you are prepared to pay a bit extra of course. 8)

Between the two, Epsilon84 is making the correct argument here.I think they're both right. The E6850 is "basically" an overclocked(by todays standards) E6600. The potential "top clock speed" may end up being similar:

ie:

E6850....4GHz(444x9)
X6800....4GHz(444x9/400x10/364x11)or lower FSB due to upwardly unlocked multi.

But take the E6550 (333x7)cheapest 333FSB chip.

E6550...500x7=3500..1169MHz O/C(50% o/c)

E6300...500x7=3500..1638MHz O/C(88% o/c)

That makes the E6550 look like a dog at overclocking, compared to E6300. :wink:
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