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ATI X1900XT Dead... buy 8800 or wait?

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March 15, 2007 11:46:53 PM

Well, I was trying to replace the Accelero X2 with the stock cooling, just because summer is around the corner and the accelero x2 was just throwing too much heat in my case, regardless of the ventillation. So, I don't know if anyone else has tried, but removing the Accelero X2 seemed challenging and pointless. In order to remove it, you have to use a x-acto knife to cut through the thermal pads. Well, in the process, I somehow broke something. Well, I didn't know this until i got the stock cooler back on it. It was then, I realized I broke my gfx card.

So, now, I have a regular PCI video card in it. My question... buy an nVidia 8800 or wait for ATI?

I sort of want an ATI since I have a crossfire motherboard, but, I don't think I'm going to do crossfire any time soon, it'd just be nice to have, you know?

But yea... any ideas?

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March 16, 2007 2:04:54 AM

Don't know your system spec's but I would say wait. Not that there is anything wrong with the 8800, but it's already 6 months old and ATI is nearing release. I suspect that nvidia will also have new high end and mid range cards out in the coming weeks. Limp along for now.
March 16, 2007 2:10:46 AM

*sighs*

Btw, my system specs are in my sig.
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March 16, 2007 2:27:16 AM

How much are you looking to spend? I own an 8800GTX and can say that nothing seems to slow it down, but if you're not interested into spending that much money on it, a 320MB 8800GTS would be great too.
March 16, 2007 2:47:39 AM

Get the 8800 gts 320

Highly recommend it , go now stop everything !!
March 16, 2007 3:03:51 AM

When do the 8900 series come out? :oops: 
March 16, 2007 3:08:42 AM

No idea and whenever they do its going to be like 600 $ 8O
March 16, 2007 3:09:59 AM

ati is going to skool nvidia this gen, jsu lik they hav been for the last 3 gens, plz wait till april.

8900 sometime in q2, so summer.
March 16, 2007 3:14:54 AM

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ati is going to skool nvidia this gen, jsu lik they hav been for the last 3 gens, plz wait till april.

8900 sometime in q2, so summer.


Sorry but this statement is False unless , you have some benchmarks or links :roll:

and i am talking about the ATI vs NVIDIA stuff .
March 16, 2007 3:59:55 AM

I thought ATI said they won't release till May???
March 16, 2007 5:04:06 AM

Yeah May is the month of ati :D 

Too bad i already bought a 8800 gts uber clocked :lol: 

Yeah gaming is fun now :D 

Company of heroes hooray !!!
March 16, 2007 5:35:03 AM

I have crossfire mobo too but ended up with 8800 GTS due to ATI delays.If you want soemthing right now the 8800 is good and GTS 320 as others said is enough to enjoy all games at least at 1280x1024.
March 16, 2007 6:02:02 AM

Wait a month and get one of the better 8600's and then if you feel you need more later down the road, sell that one on ebay and get some more horse power. Or buy an eVGA and use the step-up program, that is what I would do if I were you and I believe that the 8600 series is due sometime within the next months or so, but I could be wrong. Hope this helps!

Best,

3Ball
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March 16, 2007 11:02:12 AM

Well, you are stuck unless you are happy to put away your games until May. So unless that's the case, waiting isn't an option. You could buy a cheaper card that won't lose much resale and still allow you to game until May when you decide between an R600 or a GF8900.

You can get a His iceQ X1650XT PCI-e for $110 AR at newegg. Or the X1950's, or the 320MB 8800GTS. Just depends what you want to spend, the games/res you want to game at, and how you feel about ebaying the used card. I can't see waiting until May and sticking to a PCI card. But that doesn't mean you have to buy an 8800GTX either. Buy a temp card.
March 16, 2007 11:09:43 AM

i think if u want to buy right now, u have no option but to buy one of the 8800s...they seem to be the best at the moment...if u can delay a bit, it ll be better for u
March 16, 2007 12:01:49 PM

Thanks everyone for replies. Calz and 3Ball, I was just gonna get an evga 8800 card and do a step up when the 8900 comes out, but like I said earlier, I have a crossfire mobo and kind like to have the option further down the road to add another card if needed.

Pauldh, I was also thinking about either a nVidia 7600GT or ATI 1650XT, but in a way, paying a $100, to me, is like paying 1/3-1/4 of a DX10 card. And if that's the case, I sort of feel like just waiting.

baligavinod, the 8800s are tempting. Ugh! I wish ATI would release their card right now!!!

For those of you that are wondering, the PCI card... it's a Diamond, Stealth 2 S220 with 4 MB of VRAM!!!

And... I can't find any Windows XP drivers for the card that will actually work!!!

Luckily for me, I still have my old AMD Athlon 64. It has 2 gigs of RAM and a GeForce 6800. But I tried playing Rainbow Six Vegas at low details and 800x600 and barely got 30 FPS!!! :oops: 

And Spring Break is around the corner :cry: 

Anyone else want to add to my sorrow and grief?

*sighs* I was hoping to have the ATI at least last me till the end of summer too! :cry: 
March 16, 2007 12:46:11 PM

You should just get an 8800. Sure, it'll be a little outdated when (if) R600 and 89xx come out, but it'll still be a good card and you'll have great gaming performance until then. If you wait for ATi you're hoping for early summer at best. If you get an 8800 now you'll get even better performance than you had before and can upgrade when you need to, which probably won't be for some time after R600 and 89xx.

It's not like they're ridiculously expensive anyway, I'm thinking of forking over $300 for a GTS.
March 16, 2007 12:51:48 PM

Eurasianman, that sucks. I wouldnt be able to last 2-3 months without some form of gaming to sooth my addiction. Chances are you wont go CF, but its probably worth waiting as prices will come down across board.

If money isnt an issue, then just go with the Nvidia card. If so, what for ATI. How many people actually go CF. I was thinking about it when I bought my x1900xt, but by the time you're ready to get another cheap card and slot it in, its hardly worth it as the technology has advanced so much.
March 16, 2007 10:10:40 PM

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ati is going to skool nvidia this gen, jsu lik they hav been for the last 3 gens, plz wait till april.

8900 sometime in q2, so summer.


Can anyone else confirm this?

If this is true, you think I'll make it if I go evga and just do a step up to the 8900 series?

I'm starting to get antzy here.... my mouse pointer creeps closer and closer to the "Confirm Order" of the 8800GTS...
March 16, 2007 10:52:34 PM

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ati is going to skool nvidia this gen, jsu lik they hav been for the last 3 gens, plz wait till april.

8900 sometime in q2, so summer.
After looking at your post, I'm pretty sure Nvidia has nothing to worry about from the ATI camp. :lol: 

I guess we could go on waiting for ATI's product, but I'm not interested in waiting until 2008. :wink:
March 16, 2007 11:39:27 PM

just wait, the x29s will be coming out march 30 so benchmarks can be compared then. ati has generally done better in the last 3 generations of cards, u can take a look in the interactive vga charts
March 17, 2007 12:08:33 AM

i am in the same situation as you, im running a 7300gs witch its really crap for gaming, i want a 8800 but my board is 975x crossfire, but zZzZ if amd could stop reporting their x2000 card, if they report again i am going to get a 8800, but i say wait till may, myself i can wait to maximum of crysis game come out.
March 17, 2007 12:11:33 AM

dude its comin out end of march, the top end x2900xtx, the rest in april
March 22, 2007 12:21:16 PM

Well everyone, I went ahead and bought a
Leadtek WinFast PX7900GS TDH 256MB Geforce 7900GS 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express X16 HDCP Video Card. It works great. However, whenever I play Far Cry, my computer reboots. But I can ran any other game as well as I ran 3DMark06 for about 20 hours without and reboots. Any ideas?

Oh yea, I think partially the reason for the reboot is that I replaced my OCZ GameXStream 700 WATT power supply with an Antec TruePower II 480 WATT power supply because I was curious as to what fan was making all the noise in my case. Turned out to be the OCZ power supply. With my Antec power supply, the noise is but a faint whisper!

But anyways... yea, it doesn't make sense to me why my computer reboots with only Far Cry. Btw, when the reboot process is completed, Windows tells me that it just recovered fromm a serious error. Should I just reinstall the game?

Last note... ATI X1900XT 512MB(~6000 3DMark06) > nVidia GeForce 7900GS(~5100 3DMark06) But I was expecting that seeing the the card cost half as much as the ATI.
March 22, 2007 12:52:58 PM

If you can survive dude you should wait until the next round of cards come out. The 8800 is a sweet card however it is the only DX10 card. You should wait till there is more competition, that is my opinion.

Yeah dude the Accelero sucks terrible if you would have just used ATI Tray Tools to play with the fan and it would have been a hair louder but you can OC and it doesn't blow the air into the case. That will definitely screw up your overclock on your cpu cause it kills the ambient temp.
March 22, 2007 1:02:24 PM

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Last note... ATI X1900XT 512MB(~6000 3DMark06) > nVidia GeForce 7900GS(~5100 3DMark06) But I was expecting that seeing the the card cost half as much as the ATI.


3dMark 06 is more of a system benchmark. You'd see a much bigger difference in 3dMark05, which focusses more on the card than the system.

The 7900 is a good stopgap card for you, although If I were you and had a crossfire mobo I would've considered the X1950 PRO. Might have been able to pick a cheap second one up in the future. :) 
March 22, 2007 1:07:20 PM

Well, I buy everything nowadays through newegg and they only had sapphire cards. I was going to get the X1950Pros, but a lot of people were complaining that the cards overheated and didn't perform well and that the VRMs were horribly cooled and so on and so on. Hence, I got the 7900. Plus, it was a few dollars cheaper.

Right now, I'm just waiting for ATI to release their DX10 cards and for the price to come down.

Also, anyone else have any ideas why Far Cry causes my system to crash and nothing else?

I was going to try a reinstall later on when I get off work, just haven't gotten to it. Any suggestions?
March 22, 2007 1:15:44 PM

If its a fresh install of far cry, you may have to uninstall/reinstall. I installed s.t.a.l.k.e.r. last night and I got bsod three times when I clicked "new game". Finally I uninstalled/reinstalled and now it runs fine.
March 22, 2007 1:18:06 PM

Yea, I installed S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and it brings my system to it's knees. But that's because I'm trying to run the game at 1440x900. Might try 1024x768 and live with the stretched image. Using FRAPS, with everything on auto detect for that game, I was averaging around 25FPS. The game is somewhat gorgeous though as far as outdoor environments.

Anyways... I'm hoping it's just a fresh install for Far Cry.
March 22, 2007 1:22:21 PM

Looking at your signature.... your monitor must sit like 5 feet away from you... at least! :tongue:
March 22, 2007 1:32:52 PM

Yeah I sit on the couch across the room. :D 

I am able to crank it all the way up @ 60 fps :p 
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March 22, 2007 2:00:19 PM

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Yeah I sit on the couch across the room. :D 

I am able to crank it all the way up @ 60 fps :p 


Just curious, how does text look on that 42"? Is it good for all purpose use or just best for gaming and video? Thanks.
March 22, 2007 2:18:43 PM

If farcry is crashing your system try a few different drivers. Does it crash during gameplay or during launch of it? Also did it always crash or is this something that may have been cause by a forcewear update?
March 22, 2007 2:18:51 PM

It is definitely not good for text at the native rez from across the room, at 1920x1080 text is unreadably small. My desktop rez is 1360 x 768, which is readable, and it supports all the resolutions that a monitor would. The model I got had mixed reviews on the egg, but I have been very happy with it, plus it comes with a media box that has crazy inputs (2xHDMI, 2xcomponent, vga, coax, yada yada) and it is HDCP compliant. 5ms response...hang on just read for yourself.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The only real drawback was the speakers which were really bad, but easily removable with a screwdriver, so now they live in my closet.
March 22, 2007 2:20:08 PM

It never crashed before. It only crashes as soon as it finishes loading the level.
March 22, 2007 2:23:39 PM

there's rumours of a new DX10 revision coming out soon, which might render current 8800 cards somewhat uhh....useless?
March 22, 2007 2:23:50 PM

BTW, the thing about the ATI 1950pro getting really hot. Anything under the R5XX core runs hot as hell especially the x1900xt but ATI wanted something quiet rather than cool so it will take beating. ATI tray tools pwn big time man. I use those to tweak the fan on the card. CCC is terrible and it doesn't have very good tweaks. I can't go with nvidia because I went with a 6800 series card when they were first released and I was very disappointed by it. It was good but supposedly "being crazy powerful" but very disappointing.
March 22, 2007 2:27:04 PM

Well, I have decided not to get an 8800 right now seeing that they've been out for roughly 6 months now and anything, to me, that's been out 6 months is "obsolete" (specifically when it comes to graphics cards).
March 22, 2007 2:27:22 PM

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there's rumours of a new DX10 revision coming out soon, which might render current 8800 cards somewhat uhh....useless?


Yes.. just like directX 9.b cards are totally useless now that 9.c is out. :roll:
March 22, 2007 2:28:26 PM

I know the R5xx cores run hot. Hence, why I put the Accelero X2 on my ATI card. But since summer was around the corner, I'd rather sacrifice noise over heat build up within the case. Besides, the stock cooler always kept my ATI at the specified 89C mark when gaming. I just didn't like the noise, but like I said...noise over heat... I'll take the noise...
March 22, 2007 2:29:18 PM

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Well, I have decided not to get an 8800 right now seeing that they've been out for roughly 6 months now and anything, to me, that's been out 6 months is "obsolete" (specifically when it comes to graphics cards).


If I were in your shoes I would wait and see what ATI has in store for sure. That 7900gs is a good placeholder until then. I just think that saying an 8800 is "useless" is a bit extreme.
March 22, 2007 2:33:39 PM

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I just think that saying an 8800 is "useless" is a bit extreme.


Agreed. I can't believe gaming with WS resolution can hinder performance as well... which brings up another issue. With the ATI X1900XT, I could have sworn that my games let me choose other resolutions other the 1440x900 (ex. 1280x800). With this nVidia card... it's either 4:3 aspect ratios or the single option, 16:10 ratio with 1440x900 x.x
March 22, 2007 2:41:41 PM

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Well, I was trying to replace the Accelero X2 with the stock cooling, just because summer is around the corner and the accelero x2 was just throwing too much heat in my case, regardless of the ventillation. So, I don't know if anyone else has tried, but removing the Accelero X2 seemed challenging and pointless. In order to remove it, you have to use a x-acto knife to cut through the thermal pads. Well, in the process, I somehow broke something. Well, I didn't know this until i got the stock cooler back on it. It was then, I realized I broke my gfx card.

So, now, I have a regular PCI video card in it. My question... buy an nVidia 8800 or wait for ATI?

I sort of want an ATI since I have a crossfire motherboard, but, I don't think I'm going to do crossfire any time soon, it'd just be nice to have, you know?

But yea... any ideas?

That REALLY SUCKS. The X1900XT would have lasted long until the next-gen dx10 cards arrive. If you are running at less than 1600x1200 , the 320 GTS will do well.
March 22, 2007 3:49:09 PM

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That REALLY SUCKS. The X1900XT would have lasted long until the next-gen dx10 cards arrive.


Thanks for rubbing it in lol
March 22, 2007 3:52:48 PM

Heh thanks for the link :) 
March 22, 2007 3:56:33 PM

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That REALLY SUCKS. The X1900XT would have lasted long until the next-gen dx10 cards arrive.


Thanks for rubbing it in lol

Rofl - That 7900gs really doesn't compare to the x1900xt, but it should hold you at least until crysis comes out. :lol:  :lol: 
Hopefully by then the prices will have dropped on both the x2900xtx and the 8900gtx, at the very least you will be able to make an informed decision.
March 22, 2007 4:44:38 PM

Well since I have a crossfire motherboard, I'll be leaning closer to the ATI side. Also, thanks for the link. I think the cheap graphics card I have now will hold me out until there's a 2950 of the card :tongue:

As of now, no point in DX 10 cards since I don't have Vista yet (waiting for SP1 for Vista), as well as lack of DX 10 apps. Like I read in another forum... sure DX10 cards are out as well as the OS, but it'll take a year before developers start utilizing it, with the except of Crysis and Microsoft's Flight Simulator.
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