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March 17, 2007 2:51:28 PM

we all heard about the powerful Barcelona chip ,,and later the 4x4 barcelona

and intel will release an improve conroe version (45nm) by 2008 .

What will be the next architecture after K8L,is it the CPU-GPU integration?

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March 17, 2007 2:53:32 PM

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we all heard about the powerful Barcelona chip ,,and later the 4x4 barcelona
and intel will release an improve conroe version (45nm) by 2008 .
What will be the next architecture after K8L,is it the CPU-GPU integration?


First, the 45nm die-shrink of Barcelona, Shanghai. It will support HTT 3.0 also.

Fusion chip will be available after 2009... But I think AMD will also have discrete CPU and GPU solutions at that time.
March 17, 2007 5:46:32 PM

The Shanghai is 45nm of Barcelona or all of the K10 architecture?? Also it will have more cache, correct?

edit... And DDR3???
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March 18, 2007 3:27:45 AM

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The Shanghai is 45nm of Barcelona or all of the K10 architecture?? Also it will have more cache, correct?

edit... And DDR3???


I think Shanghai is the equivalent of Barcelona, i.e., the name of the specific server core, but of course eventually the rest of the K10s would be moved to 45nm as well.

If AMD can make that transition well it could do very good things for them.

I THINK it will be AM3, which supports both DDR2 and DDR3 (obviously not together). AM2+ CPUs will work in AM3 motherboards, but only with DDR2.
March 18, 2007 4:58:32 AM

Barcelona isn't going to mature until it becomes 45nm and supports ddr3...i really feel that it is going to be able to unleash its potential then...it seems like all the ddr2 chips are built pretty close to around the bandwith ddr 667 puts out...ddr3 should almost double that...maybe double but at least support 1066 pretty easy...

the whole cpu-gpu/fusion stuff is what we dream of...I can't imagine a home user needing that much horsepower...its like a lambo for people who drive in the US...
March 18, 2007 7:22:57 AM

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we all heard about the powerful Barcelona chip ,,and later the 4x4 barcelona

and intel will release an improve conroe version (45nm) by 2008 .

What will be the next architecture after K8L,is it the CPU-GPU integration?


AMD also let out the bag to the coming of the 8-core MONTREAL K10

which sets up a 16-core 4x4 gaming rig
March 18, 2007 7:33:44 AM

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no one wants 4x4 its slower than C2D
why?


(2) 45um 8-core MONTREAL k10's on the 4x4 board would indeed be slower than a c2D
March 18, 2007 8:22:21 AM

Amd is talking about using integrated on die graphics like this
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AMD expects its ATI buy to pay serious data center dividends when the company shifts to 45nm chips in 2008. The chipmaker is looking to combine x86 processors with graphics engines to make products capable of cranking through scientific workloads with unprecedented performance. Such products will be complemented by third-party accelerators that plug right into Opteron sockets - an attack where AMD still enjoys a healthy lead over Intel.
March 19, 2007 1:01:28 PM

Intel will have the 45nm shrink of Conroe (AKA as Penryn) in 2007! It's a little fancier than a shrink (like High-K metal gate) and we don't know what to really expect from it.

In 2008, Intel will have a 45nm chip that is based on new architecture (Nehalem).

In 2009, it's expected that Intel will have a 32nm shrink of this new architecture.
March 19, 2007 7:19:42 PM

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we all heard about the powerful Barcelona chip ,,and later the 4x4 barcelona

and intel will release an improve conroe version (45nm) by 2008 .

What will be the next architecture after K8L,is it the CPU-GPU integration?


on the AMD side its looks like the K10 is the big man on campus against INTEL

barcelona, agena and kuma are out this year
the 4x4 platform will live and offer 8-core crossfire rigs before years end per AMD

Shanghai is next

after that its the 8- core "Montreal" @ 45um

then the FUSION cores
March 19, 2007 8:23:52 PM

"Waaa No game right now use multiple cores, meaning they never will! Waaa!"
... ... ...

Just because games right now don't use multiple cores, doesn't mean they wont in the near future... and i will say i'm quite interested to see what amd's brute force 8 core machine can do :) 
March 19, 2007 9:00:34 PM

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8O 8O Nooooo chapter 11 is bad. Dont do chapter 11;chapter 11 is bad;mmmmkay?


Yea, If your going out do it in style with complete debt implosion and go Chapter 7 total liqudation.....
March 20, 2007 8:00:16 AM

but what about the gpu cores?
March 20, 2007 8:15:04 AM

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it seems like all the ddr2 chips are built pretty close to around the bandwith ddr 667 puts out...ddr3 should almost double that...maybe double but at least support 1066 pretty easy...


You know, I've been thinking on this, and I don't think that's accurate. DDR3 would be triple data rate; so 667 / 2 * 3 = 1000mhz for the upcoming baseline. More likely 600 mhz as I think further on it, since 2*200mhz is the rock bottom for DDR2. 1200mhz DDR3 with a CAS of 5 will, I'm figuring, be around in about two years, and become what DDR2 800mhz with a CAS of 4 is now.
March 20, 2007 8:26:18 AM

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Finally, something that actually equals 4x4 :lol: 


Yeah, but the zillion dollar question is can AMD crank out Montreal before the company goes to that big silicon playground in the sky? If they could bring it out this calendar year, I'd definitely be in the queue for a 16 core QFX. But if their expected launch date is the twelfth of never then it's just more vapourware.
March 20, 2007 12:48:43 PM

LOL, silicon playground... lol

Mind outta the gutter cap'n :wink:
March 20, 2007 12:55:00 PM

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LOL, silicon playground... lol

Mind outta the gutter cap'n :wink:


Let's just say that my time off was partially spent in THG rehab and it has allowed me to see the light of wholesome, family-oriented, technically-focussed posting...

NOT! :lol: 

I'd willingly eat all the nasty things I've said about AMD for a couple of functioning Montreals on a new, unbuggy QFX board as long as the calendar still said 2007. However, the prospects of that are so remote that I might as well not make any diet plans! :D 
March 20, 2007 1:00:52 PM

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Intel will have the 45nm shrink of Conroe (AKA as Penryn) in 2007! It's a little fancier than a shrink (like High-K metal gate) and we don't know what to really expect from it.

In 2008, Intel will have a 45nm chip that is based on new architecture (Nehalem).

In 2009, it's expected that Intel will have a 32nm shrink of this new architecture.


All 45nm and smaller will require materials like High-K, which is why IBM and intel partnered to develop the technology several years ago. Gate leakage at 65nm already consumes 40-50% of the electricity used by the chip, and current tech at 45nm is estimated to waste 70-80% of power consumed in leakage, as well as requiring lower voltages. AMD's and everyone else's 45nm will use a high-k solution of some sort.
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March 20, 2007 3:25:53 PM

What a CPU with my city as a code name, looks like I'll have to switch to AMD sometime in the future :?
March 21, 2007 9:59:50 PM

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Well, they already got 4gpus in one mobo (though I highly doubt you will ever find a single person dumb enough to run 4 x1950pros instead of two 8800gtxs, but you never know-in fact, I haven't even actually heard of anyone actually doing so), but perhaps down the road, they will creat something like the 9950gx4 or something that has 4 gpus on one actual card, but I doubt anything beyond 2 will ever become popular as no one ran quad si after comparing quad sli to their old 7900gtxs in sli unless if they were really stupid and did not ever bench their hardware or actually game, I suppose they might make quadcore firegl or quadros (hehe, hence the name 8O ) since video editors and game developers could use the cores for workstations, but unlikely nonetheless

Ohh, I don't think you'll ever find anyone running 16gigs of crappy 6-6-6-18 ram on a 4x4 mobo either :o 
Quick question... doesn't the 8800GTS have 96 stream-cores and the GTX 128 stream-cores? Thats 96-core and 128-core processors systems... what's cool (I think) is the GTX can do 0.5 TF for "only" $600. It makes teraflop computers available to anyone with $2000 and programming knowledge.

I would really like to see the CPU offload processing to the GPU without special programming... or drivers that will allow Windoze to see the 128 cores at the push of a (virtual) button and use them all.

They say the R600 has alot of potential locked up... same with the G80 core.
March 21, 2007 10:47:41 PM

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Well, they already got 4gpus in one mobo (though I highly doubt you will ever find a single person dumb enough to run 4 x1950pros instead of two 8800gtxs, but you never know-in fact, I haven't even actually heard of anyone actually doing so), but perhaps down the road, they will creat something like the 9950gx4 or something that has 4 gpus on one actual card, but I doubt anything beyond 2 will ever become popular as no one ran quad si after comparing quad sli to their old 7900gtxs in sli unless if they were really stupid and did not ever bench their hardware or actually game, I suppose they might make quadcore firegl or quadros (hehe, hence the name 8O ) since video editors and game developers could use the cores for workstations, but unlikely nonetheless

Ohh, I don't think you'll ever find anyone running 16gigs of crappy 6-6-6-18 ram on a 4x4 mobo either :o 
Quick question... doesn't the 8800GTS have 96 stream-cores and the GTX 128 stream-cores? Thats 96-core and 128-core processors systems... what's cool (I think) is the GTX can do 0.5 TF for "only" $600. It makes teraflop computers available to anyone with $2000 and programming knowledge.

I would really like to see the CPU offload processing to the GPU without special programming... or drivers that will allow Windoze to see the 128 cores at the push of a (virtual) button and use them all.

They say the R600 has alot of potential locked up... same with the G80 core.

The problem is that GPU cores are specialised. Forget to use them without special programming. There are libraries that allow to use FP power of GPU's for non-graphical tasks.
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