AMD has a huge r600 launch on the way

And I just bought a 2nd 8800GTS. :? Sounds like AMD is going to (try) to have a field day with this. I wonder if the 8900's (AKA G81) are up to the job? :?:

I'm not sure, but I know nvidia will drop the bomb once the r2900xtx comes out (I think the reason why ati changed it form 2800 to 2900 is because they designed it to battle with the 8900gtx), but I am sure that ati wouldn't blindly launch the r600 without being completely confident they have done all they can to perfect the r2900xtx, and it being 65nm will really shove a pin up nvidia's arse because ati can price the r600 just slighlty lower than the 8900gtx and if the performance is the same, then they will make lots of money because of cheap manufacturing, and nvidia will start to lose sales, kudos to ati for that

This is old news already. There's at least two more posts on the same subject and, as you said, it's the Inq...

Ohh, well I checked the gpu sections and didn't find any titles talking about my article, but then again I only checked the top few, but this informaiton has only been out for a few hours now, it can't be that old

Not old news to me. Thanks.  

That's what I thought, I was only out for a few hours, and this had only came up once I came home, I'm surprised that it has been posted a few times already in that sliver of time, anyways, I'm out to help teach :wink:

Will be for sure, they'll go head-to-head in benchmarks, just like current gen.

Anyway,
48 hours is a wrong prediction, this thread will be hijacked very soon I sense.  

The 65nm part is some what old news, but that's the first I'd seen of that particular article.

Just what are you planning on doing prozac? 8O ^_^

Its not just the Inq thats posted this. At CEBIT there was supposedly a statement from AMD/ATI to that effect

*IF* ATi had an actual stockpile of product, it would be selling right now....changing their manufacturing process means they do NOT have a stockpile, that they still have to create it.....any secret "Stockpile" would be the OLD process not the new 65nm process.... ATI will sell product the minute it has enough to ship out. They won't be holding on to it until they have millions on hand....that is NOT how business works.


You know I like AMD and ATi products as much as NV, but with all the hype, some one needs to toss out a dose of reality now and then geeeesh. :?

Exactly; I'd love to see the X2900XTX outperform the 8800GTX, but until they have a product on the market, it's nothing but talk.

Nothing. Just discussing the exciting topic of R600...  

45 hours 37 minutes 24 sec LEFT 8O

GET THE GUNS!




Anyway nice to hear that ATI is getting ready for a good competition.



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hmmmm....Something tells me to still be prepared for anything 8O  

      good post

Well if the respin was in January like the InQ says then it takes about 3 months to get shipping volumes, like it took for the G80. So by May they should have the stockpile that they need for a hard launch.



Not necessarily, If they were shipping the chips from the beginning of this month to the OEM AIB partners they would easily have final cards available for a mid May launch.



Actually they don't need millions, nV only recently sold 500,000 GF8800s, so getting 100K ready for market would be enough for the launch.



Well's there's really no new reality there, we're still waiting on the final product, and the reality is that the 65m part is still within reach for a may launch. The December A13 80nm respin would've been the March launch, so the January 65nm respin targeting a May launch is quite doable.

Hi there GA   I wasnt refering to the May launch, they should have time to get the number they need for launch by then.....UNLESS they hit a snag somewhere with the new process.

I haven't seen anyone report that they had their hands on a working model of the 65nm parts yet....If they have, then my speculation about their progress is wrong. I just havent seen anyone with a sample of the retail product yet.

Also, marketing hype is one of my pet peeves  

Well you probably wouldn't have many working samples yet, likely the CHIPs alone arrived at Sapphire, HIS, MSI, GeCube, etc just at the beginning of the month if that.

I would expect production boards are just now being made, likely with engineering sample having been just finished. Likely the 65nm refresh was alwyas intended to be a drop in part for the board, so an engineering sample would be little different from the 80nm engineering boards. The main thing is if they have issues to iron out, if nothing major then likely little impact on the production line other than a change of the chip that is mounted on the board.

It's easy to see this work within the timeframe we're being giving, it just requires that the 65nm part have little or none of the problems the 80nm part had, as they can't afford any major delays and still make a MAy launch with the 65nm part and not a staggered launch with the 80nm in May and then the 65nm shortly afterwards (similar to the X1800XL, X1800XT launch).

See thats where it really sucks to be a marketing guy...if they did a staggered launch and it became public, how many people do you think would rush out and get the 80nm part if they thought the 65nm part was just around the corner....someone's job would be riding on that timing issue  

Something big is comming.Just like core 2 duo over athlon 64, Ati's processor is much much better than Nvidia because they had time to analise nvidia 8 series performance, and dx10.But i think we will need some serious power supplies for that monster.Think about his bandwith, almost double of nvidia 8 series.The 80nm series will be like ati 9600 and 9550 ge .A videocard detuned.If i have 2 kind of chips, why not try to make 2 videocards.One to take the lead and the other one, cheaper for end user, anyway it will be faster than x1950, but with a minor difference at price.
If anyone would bennefit on this fight between ati and nvidia.... it would be... us...Low prices, high power graphics...

If it is true--and I certainly hope it is--I hope both the hardware and drivers are right. AMD will be hurtin' bad if they released something this late, with this much hype, and have 8800-style Vista driver issues.

Won't affect me though. I plan to stay with XP for the foreseeable future.  

I think that who ever in ati pushed 65nm out (most likely only possible due to amd buying them, for once it seems like amd's buy is paying off soon), that means great things for us and them, because it will cost them less to manufacture their products, so that means we can get something that provides even more insane fps than the 8800gtx for a $100 less (not likely at launch, but give it some time), that means ati will be pwning nvidia market share wise until nvidia can pull off 65nm (or simply lose profits) and we get the best of all, since ati and nvidia actually seem to care about the consumer, while intel just wants to have bragging rights with ddr2, ddr3, them making a poorly designed inintial dual core, and a soon to be demolished quad core (though I can't yell at them for the qx6700 just yet, but I have a feeling I will be able to soon 8O   ), the future is starting to seem bright for amd/ati, I just hope k10 is just as big of a success as amd claims

You really think that going to a 65nm process will cut the costs $100 dollars ? And on top of that having the highest performing card and sell it cheaper then Nvidia's ? Some of you guys really live in your own little world aren't you ?

In the end, I think it will, not for the 1gb version, but it will eventually cut costs, ati will keep prices competetive as they always have, even with better performance, such as teh x1900xtx vs the 7900gtx, and the x1950xtx was cheaper than the 7950gx2, though it could not keep up since it was a single card vs dual, but still, pricing was a bit better. I think there will be a good price difference, perhaps not necessarily between the 8800gtx, but defninitely the 8900gtx so ati can stay competetive without loosing money

Hmmm, I think the 1950XTX v. the 7950GX2 is kind of a poor example. The 65nm should yield increased gains, but whether they pass this on to consumers is anyone's guess. I'm guessing that launch prices will likely exceed $600 dollars and within a month or two stabilise around $450. If the card outperforms the GTX by an appreciable margin, the GTX will likely drop to around $400.

I doubt AMD's move to 65nm is going to badly hurt NV's market share. And I really don't see how intel's quad core is applicable to this discussion. Unless you're saying it's the G80 to the r600?

No, what I was saying is that it looks like ati and nvidia are actually trying to please the consumer with their products, while intel has been diong things just for bragging rights to major companies and basically is saying screw the consumer, we know you're going to buy it anyways and it looks good to our investors. Anyways, I think the future looks bright now, especially if the price drops down to $450, and I do think there will be a high launch price, but knowing ati, they will in the end lower their prices down the most (at least lower than the 8900gtx)