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March 22, 2007 11:55:49 PM

Which would be betetr for games a Core 2 Duo e4300 1.8ghz with a 800mhz FBS or a P4 3Ghz 533Mhz FBS with HT?

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March 22, 2007 11:57:53 PM

You're kidding right?
March 22, 2007 11:58:43 PM

i no, it is a stupid question i know. But im confused lol
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March 22, 2007 11:59:28 PM

E4300 all the way for everything (except heating your room in winter,drying your hair near the exhaust fan and cooking).
March 23, 2007 12:00:09 AM

awesome thanx, i just needed an opion b4 purchesing :D 
March 23, 2007 12:07:31 AM

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i no, it is a stupid question i know. But im confused lol

To make it totally clear to you I would suggest this (the E4300 is not yet in the CPU charts but it's performance is really close to that of the X2 3800+, so you can use the X2 3800+ as the E4300 and get an idea of it's performance :wink: ):
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1...

Just select the application you want to compare them.
March 23, 2007 12:08:10 AM

E4300 wins by a mile. Buying 533MHz Pentium 4's are like buying a tricycle when you get your drivers license.

By the way, there is no such thing as a stupid question... well.. maybe there is.
March 23, 2007 12:12:07 AM

my P4 came with my comp, but over the past yr ive been upgrading it and since the Xore 2 Duo came out im trying to get one without replacing my mobo (which is a very basic one FYI)
March 23, 2007 12:18:39 AM

Hnn, how old is this motherboard? This could be a factor which limits the road to Core 2 Duo. Even if you have a Skt775 motherboard, only those that came out in the last two years support Core 2 Duo. If you have a Skt478 board, then you are totally screwed and need to upgrade your board, possibly your RAM and video card, and maybe even your PSU.
March 23, 2007 12:20:30 AM

I have a Intel 915GV ghipset, it has a LGA 775 socket. The only 2 downsides i find with it is thast it wont allow me to OC and it only has 2 PCI slots, no AGP or PCIe x16
March 23, 2007 12:22:21 AM

oh and my mobo can handle 533mhz or 800mhz FBS. I recently bought a 580w PSU and a new video card. Its not the greatest but it does what i want it to do. :D  if u want my full specs i can show it but otherwise im not.
March 23, 2007 12:26:28 AM

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Which would be betetr for games a Core 2 Duo e4300 1.8ghz with a 800mhz FBS or a P4 3Ghz 533Mhz FBS with HT?


celeron :p 
March 23, 2007 12:28:57 AM

What you gave me is enough. I have news but its not good. Sorry to say, 915 doesn't support Core 2 Duo. :( 

You need 945 or later to get Core 2 Duo goodness
March 23, 2007 12:30:04 AM

in what way? from what ive reserched the e4300 is 800mhz FBS and LGA 775 and from waht i understand it is not 64bit i think andmy mobo supports 533 to 800mhz and it has a LGA 775 socket and is 32bit. Am i missing something?
March 23, 2007 12:37:06 AM

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You're kidding right?


I didnt know you had that attitude
March 23, 2007 12:40:15 AM

The Core 2 Duo means "All-Of-Them" including any Core 2 Duo that may happen to have a 800FSB. The Core 2 Duo is not compatible with any Chipset older than 2006 Mostly the Intel 945-965-975 Chipsets. If you had done a little more research it would have said that you needed these new chips.
March 23, 2007 12:44:13 AM

omfg u have to be kidding..... ugh
March 23, 2007 12:45:43 AM

The C2D's need a new kind of voltage regulator to function, without it your screwed. Thats why mobo manufacturers released revisions to the boards with chipsets that would support the Core 2's. They just tacked on the new voltage regulator. If you want a better explanation this pdf covers it.
March 23, 2007 12:47:14 AM

well, i guess i can buy another. but i wasnt expectin expenses t ogo over $200.
March 23, 2007 12:54:39 AM

Well, Newegg does do combos for processor and motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N...

But your best bet is to wait till after April 22, when Intel drops the prices on Core 2 Duos and by then the prices of motherboards should come down too.

@slim142
When you see the same question repeated ad nauseum, you'll get to be the same way.
March 23, 2007 12:56:09 AM

k, i want planning on buying it for a while anyway. so thanx for the help.
March 23, 2007 1:01:37 AM

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@slim142
When you see the same question repeated ad nauseum, you'll get to be the same way.


But didnt you see this guy has 7 posts, I think thats enough to conclude that he doesnt really know and he really wants to know and learn. Now if we talk about the boms who come here (like the guy saying a quadro fx5400 was better than the 8800gtx in gaming) and gets annoying, then thats a reason to become angry.
March 23, 2007 1:05:09 AM

11 posts thank u very much.
March 23, 2007 1:05:57 AM

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But didnt you see this guy has 7 posts, I think thats enough to conclude that he doesnt really know and he really wants to know and learn. Now if we talk about the boms who come here (like the guy saying a quadro fx5400 was better than the 8800gtx in gaming) and gets annoying, then thats a reason to become angry.


But it was a simple questiong that could have been answered by googling a review, or looking at some benchmarks.
March 23, 2007 1:06:12 AM

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You're kidding right?


:lol:  . o O (surprising that question still comes up as well)

Well, that's the impression I got from that reply.
March 23, 2007 1:12:29 AM

Who says I'm angry? Are you clairvoyant?

@Grimmy
I was shocked to see it. I though we we're done with P4's
March 23, 2007 1:22:24 AM

Well, it never bothers me to asnwer this kind of people who I know really asks this questions cuz they really dont know the answer and dont know where to find out.

As I said, what bothers me, is when people come and try to make everybody change their minds and make everyboyd believe what they believe (stupidity)
March 23, 2007 1:34:16 AM

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i no, it is a stupid question i know. But im confused lol

To make it totally clear to you I would suggest this (the E4300 is not yet in the CPU charts but it's performance is really close to that of the X2 3800+, so you can use the X2 3800+ as the E4300 and get an idea of it's performance :wink: )

If you get a decent board for the Core2, the E4300s OC so well its nearly guaranteed you can run it at 2.8GHz. If you add in the cost of the board that OCs well versus a shit board that is stable at stock, then you realize the E4300 is really more a bargain and top performer.

Athlon X2s don't overclock nearly as well...
March 23, 2007 2:26:55 AM

Thanx for ur recommendations, but im set on Core 2 duo sry :D . What I need in a mobo is atleast

24pin main power
12v 4 pin
atealst 4x DDr 184pin
ATA 100
and Core 2 Duo support (LGA 775)

Im having trouble findin 1 that has enough DDR slots. I dont want to additionaly buy DDR 2 ram. i dont want to pay that much. HELP ME PLZ FIND 1 IF POSSIBLE!! i dont get much money so i cant buy the DDR2 ram, mobo, and care 2 duo lol.
March 23, 2007 3:18:59 AM

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Oc, so what you are saying that since most x2 3600s go from 1.9ghz to 3ghz they don't oc well because the e4300 goes from 1.8ghz to max 3.3ghz in general :roll: a cheap x2 3600 wins in my book against an e4300 for a cheap build, because you won't notice that great of a difference except for benchmarking, and gaming, and your everyday person will not video edit or photoshop all day, :roll:


Erm, you're saying you won't notice that the X2 is slower than the E4300 "EXCEPT for benchmarks, gaming, video editing, or graphics work.. in which the Core2Duo is clearly faster..." . So for what applications WON'T you notice that the AMD is slower, .. making coffee? Feeding the cat?
March 23, 2007 3:46:42 AM

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i no, it is a stupid question i know. But im confused lol


No such thing as a stupid question -- if you don't know, you don't know....

You are only stupid if you choose to not ask the question and remain ignorant....

There is no shame in ignorance, only shame in remaining ignorant.

Jack

mind if i make that my lifes' motto/mantra?
March 23, 2007 4:57:20 AM

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Thanx for ur recommendations, but im set on Core 2 duo sry :D . What I need in a mobo is atleast

24pin main power
12v 4 pin
atealst 4x DDr 184pin
ATA 100
and Core 2 Duo support (LGA 775)

Im having trouble findin 1 that has enough DDR slots. I dont want to additionaly buy DDR 2 ram. i dont want to pay that much. HELP ME PLZ FIND 1 IF POSSIBLE!! i dont get much money so i cant buy the DDR2 ram, mobo, and care 2 duo lol.
Well, in that case, you're kind of screwed. No Core2Duo compatable motherboards have 4xDDR1 slots. There are some "hybrid" boards like
THIS one, but you only get 2xDDR1 or 2xDDR2 slots. AMD's s AM2 processors only work with DDR2, but you can get a s939 setup(which uses DDR1). The problem with going that route, is that many/most s939 motherboards get weird with all 4 DIMM slots populated....the RAM will be forced to run @ 333MHz instead of the proper 400MHz and/or run at a 2T command rate(vs. the better performing 1T). Also, not only does your current motherboard not support Core2Duo, but it doesn't support any dual-core processors...PERIOD! So even the much-hated Pentium D isn't even a possibility. Tough choices for you, bud...GL :) 
March 23, 2007 5:37:52 AM

ASRock ConRoe865PE

It has 4 DDR1 slots with C2D support
5 x PCI slots
1 x AGP 8X slot
2 x ATA100 IDE connectors
2 x Serial ATA 1.5 Gb/s connectors
20 pin ATX power connector
4 pin 12V power connector
March 23, 2007 5:46:55 AM

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ASRock ConRoe865PE

It has 4 DDR1 slots with C2D support
5 x PCI slots
1 x AGP 8X slot
2 x ATA100 IDE connectors
2 x Serial ATA 1.5 Gb/s connectors
20 pin ATX power connector
4 pin 12V power connector
My bad :oops:  ..nice catch. :wink:
March 23, 2007 5:54:28 AM

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ASRock ConRoe865PE

It has 4 DDR1 slots with C2D support
5 x PCI slots
1 x AGP 8X slot
2 x ATA100 IDE connectors
2 x Serial ATA 1.5 Gb/s connectors
20 pin ATX power connector
4 pin 12V power connector


:lol:  . o O (I was trying to find that MB)

Though... OP, good luck in finding that MB. I think froogle had one hit when I saw the name of it, in err.. France. :?
March 23, 2007 6:02:57 AM

Seen them for sale in Australia also. :wink:
March 23, 2007 6:45:15 AM

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Which would be betetr for games a Core 2 Duo e4300 1.8ghz with a 800mhz FBS or a P4 3Ghz 533Mhz FBS with HT?


E4300 will totally rape any P4. Even the PD965EE.
March 23, 2007 8:18:57 AM

Please take a look at some benchmarks before asking these question.

You can even try to browse the forums for similar posts there should be at least 10000 similar posts.
March 23, 2007 10:52:14 AM

thanx for finding that mb, and the other last 2 posts. my question was answered like 30posts ago :D 
March 23, 2007 10:54:01 AM

oh, ok this is a stupid question but i cant remember, it says 12"by9" which means base x hieght right?
March 23, 2007 11:01:53 AM

oh and i just realized, my case can hole a max of 10x9 size mobo, and that mobo u found me (which would work) is only available in other countrys. but i tink i have to do with 2x184pin and 2x240 pin, and put my 512mb and 256mb in there and have 756mb of ram for a time until i get another 512 or higher. anyways DDR2 is better obviously so ill have 756 then switch over to DDR2 when i can. Oh and do they have a 24pin to 20pin cable converter? or will a 24pin work with a 20 pin? i know they make 20 to 24.

this is the 1 im thinking of.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

or the 1.86ghz
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
March 23, 2007 11:47:40 AM

This is a JOKE.... right?! Im pretty sure even VIA's chip will beat a P4.
March 23, 2007 12:28:20 PM

http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=272...

A valid option, no? I know it has onboard gfx but you can turn it off and use a card no problem. Doesn't have 5 PCI slots, but surely 1) you dont need 5 and 2) your 12x9 or smaller current mobo doesnt have that many anyway? Also has 2 RAM slots only but we've talked about this.
March 23, 2007 2:20:21 PM

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This is a JOKE.... right?! Im pretty sure even VIA's chip will beat a P4.


MMkay, you're tryin a lil too hard.
March 23, 2007 5:07:22 PM

You guys do realize that P4s are still selling, right? Most of the world is not filled with geeky enthusiasts. :roll:
March 23, 2007 5:32:39 PM

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You guys do realize that P4s are still selling, right? Most of the world is not filled with geeky enthusiasts. :roll:


Most of the world is not informed by PC shops properly. I actually went into PC world and went "what's the fastest processor you sell here" and he directed me to a D940 and said "This is the fastest we sell because it's 3.2ghz". I then replied "I thought the Core 2 Duo was faster" and to this he sort of laughed and went "they only go up to 3ghz!". These people are meant to be trained and "knowledgable".
March 23, 2007 5:38:57 PM

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You guys do realize that P4s are still selling, right? Most of the world is not filled with geeky enthusiasts. :roll:


Most of the world is not informed by PC shops properly. I actually went into PC world and went "what's the fastest processor you sell here" and he directed me to a D940 and said "This is the fastest we sell because it's 3.2ghz". I then replied "I thought the Core 2 Duo was faster" and to this he sort of laughed and went "they only go up to 3ghz!". These people are meant to be trained and "knowledgable".

So... did you laugh in the salesman's face and say... You stupid noob, or did correct him for the public? :lol: 
March 23, 2007 5:39:58 PM

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You guys do realize that P4s are still selling, right? Most of the world is not filled with geeky enthusiasts. :roll:


Most of the world is not informed by PC shops properly. I actually went into PC world and went "what's the fastest processor you sell here" and he directed me to a D940 and said "This is the fastest we sell because it's 3.2ghz". I then replied "I thought the Core 2 Duo was faster" and to this he sort of laughed and went "they only go up to 3ghz!". These people are meant to be trained and "knowledgable".

So... did you laugh in the salesman's face and say... You stupid noob, or did correct him for the public? :lol: 

I just walked away, that i was so shocked!
March 23, 2007 5:44:49 PM

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You guys do realize that P4s are still selling, right? Most of the world is not filled with geeky enthusiasts. :roll:

And we're here to prevent stupid / kick yourself in the head mistakes like that.
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