Core 2 duo or P4?

You're kidding right?

i no, it is a stupid question i know. But im confused lol

E4300 all the way for everything (except heating your room in winter,drying your hair near the exhaust fan and cooking).

awesome thanx, i just needed an opion b4 purchesing  

To make it totally clear to you I would suggest this (the E4300 is not yet in the CPU charts but it's performance is really close to that of the X2 3800+, so you can use the X2 3800+ as the E4300 and get an idea of it's performance :wink: ):
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1...

Just select the application you want to compare them.

E4300 wins by a mile. Buying 533MHz Pentium 4's are like buying a tricycle when you get your drivers license.

By the way, there is no such thing as a stupid question... well.. maybe there is.

my P4 came with my comp, but over the past yr ive been upgrading it and since the Xore 2 Duo came out im trying to get one without replacing my mobo (which is a very basic one FYI)

Hnn, how old is this motherboard? This could be a factor which limits the road to Core 2 Duo. Even if you have a Skt775 motherboard, only those that came out in the last two years support Core 2 Duo. If you have a Skt478 board, then you are totally screwed and need to upgrade your board, possibly your RAM and video card, and maybe even your PSU.

I have a Intel 915GV ghipset, it has a LGA 775 socket. The only 2 downsides i find with it is thast it wont allow me to OC and it only has 2 PCI slots, no AGP or PCIe x16

oh and my mobo can handle 533mhz or 800mhz FBS. I recently bought a 580w PSU and a new video card. Its not the greatest but it does what i want it to do.   if u want my full specs i can show it but otherwise im not.

celeron  

What you gave me is enough. I have news but its not good. Sorry to say, 915 doesn't support Core 2 Duo.  

You need 945 or later to get Core 2 Duo goodness

in what way? from what ive reserched the e4300 is 800mhz FBS and LGA 775 and from waht i understand it is not 64bit i think andmy mobo supports 533 to 800mhz and it has a LGA 775 socket and is 32bit. Am i missing something?

I didnt know you had that attitude

The Core 2 Duo means "All-Of-Them" including any Core 2 Duo that may happen to have a 800FSB. The Core 2 Duo is not compatible with any Chipset older than 2006 Mostly the Intel 945-965-975 Chipsets. If you had done a little more research it would have said that you needed these new chips.

omfg u have to be kidding..... ugh

http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/asmo-na/eng/pr...

The C2D's need a new kind of voltage regulator to function, without it your screwed. Thats why mobo manufacturers released revisions to the boards with chipsets that would support the Core 2's. They just tacked on the new voltage regulator. If you want a better explanation this pdf covers it.

well, i guess i can buy another. but i wasnt expectin expenses t ogo over $200.

Well, Newegg does do combos for processor and motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductCombos.aspx?Item=N...

But your best bet is to wait till after April 22, when Intel drops the prices on Core 2 Duos and by then the prices of motherboards should come down too.

@slim142
When you see the same question repeated ad nauseum, you'll get to be the same way.

k, i want planning on buying it for a while anyway. so thanx for the help.

But didnt you see this guy has 7 posts, I think thats enough to conclude that he doesnt really know and he really wants to know and learn. Now if we talk about the boms who come here (like the guy saying a quadro fx5400 was better than the 8800gtx in gaming) and gets annoying, then thats a reason to become angry.

11 posts thank u very much.

But it was a simple questiong that could have been answered by googling a review, or looking at some benchmarks.

  . o O (surprising that question still comes up as well)

Well, that's the impression I got from that reply.

Who says I'm angry? Are you clairvoyant?

@Grimmy
I was shocked to see it. I though we we're done with P4's

Calm down, and you lay off a bit slim, it's a simple question, lets all first make sure we can find the best possible option for the op, and then start debating on things like that :wink:

Hello, I'm ali, and you'll probably be seeing me everywhere sooner or later, so I just want to say hi, and that I'm here to help, so if you ever need anything, just give me a pm and I'll swing by :wink:

Anyways, have you considered an amd? Because for the price of an e4300, you could actually get a cheap am2 board with an x2 3600, which is not a bad cpu at all, though conroes will beat it in most tests sometimes by as much as the x2 killed netburst

Well, it never bothers me to asnwer this kind of people who I know really asks this questions cuz they really dont know the answer and dont know where to find out.

As I said, what bothers me, is when people come and try to make everybody change their minds and make everyboyd believe what they believe (stupidity)

you mean like him?  

nice to see you anyways

To make it totally clear to you I would suggest this (the E4300 is not yet in the CPU charts but it's performance is really close to that of the X2 3800+, so you can use the X2 3800+ as the E4300 and get an idea of it's performance :wink: )

If you get a decent board for the Core2, the E4300s OC so well its nearly guaranteed you can run it at 2.8GHz. If you add in the cost of the board that OCs well versus a shit board that is stable at stock, then you realize the E4300 is really more a bargain and top performer.

Athlon X2s don't overclock nearly as well...

Oc, so what you are saying that since most x2 3600s go from 1.9ghz to 3ghz they don't oc well because the e4300 goes from 1.8ghz to max 3.3ghz in general :roll: People like you are simply spreading FUD about amds just because of all the conroe hype, they are getting far more underrated than they deserve, and I'm sticky with Baron on this one, a cheap x2 3600 wins in my book against an e4300 for a cheap build, because you won't notice that great of a difference except for benchmarking, and gaming, and your everyday person will not video edit or photoshop all day, otherwise they would not be going low end, if you have to get a cheap upgrade, and have to choose between spending say $400 for an e4300+ds3 or $200 for a very nice mid grade mobo and a 3600 combined with say a new video card or two gigs of ram, what wins then? :roll:

Thanx for ur recommendations, but im set on Core 2 duo sry  . What I need in a mobo is atleast

24pin main power
12v 4 pin
atealst 4x DDr 184pin
ATA 100
and Core 2 Duo support (LGA 775)

Im having trouble findin 1 that has enough DDR slots. I dont want to additionaly buy DDR 2 ram. i dont want to pay that much. HELP ME PLZ FIND 1 IF POSSIBLE!! i dont get much money so i cant buy the DDR2 ram, mobo, and care 2 duo lol.

Erm, you're saying you won't notice that the X2 is slower than the E4300 "EXCEPT for benchmarks, gaming, video editing, or graphics work.. in which the Core2Duo is clearly faster..." . So for what applications WON'T you notice that the AMD is slower, .. making coffee? Feeding the cat?

No such thing as a stupid question -- if you don't know, you don't know....

You are only stupid if you choose to not ask the question and remain ignorant....

There is no shame in ignorance, only shame in remaining ignorant.

Jack

mind if i make that my lifes' motto/mantra?

Well, in that case, you're kind of screwed. No Core2Duo compatable motherboards have 4xDDR1 slots. There are some "hybrid" boards like
THIS one, but you only get 2xDDR1 or 2xDDR2 slots. AMD's s AM2 processors only work with DDR2, but you can get a s939 setup(which uses DDR1). The problem with going that route, is that many/most s939 motherboards get weird with all 4 DIMM slots populated....the RAM will be forced to run @ 333MHz instead of the proper 400MHz and/or run at a 2T command rate(vs. the better performing 1T). Also, not only does your current motherboard not support Core2Duo, but it doesn't support any dual-core processors...PERIOD! So even the much-hated Pentium D isn't even a possibility. Tough choices for you, bud...GL  

ASRock ConRoe865PE

It has 4 DDR1 slots with C2D support
5 x PCI slots
1 x AGP 8X slot
2 x ATA100 IDE connectors
2 x Serial ATA 1.5 Gb/s connectors
20 pin ATX power connector
4 pin 12V power connector

My bad   ..nice catch. :wink:

  . o O (I was trying to find that MB)

Though... OP, good luck in finding that MB. I think froogle had one hit when I saw the name of it, in err.. France. :?

Seen them for sale in Australia also. :wink:

E4300 will totally rape any P4. Even the PD965EE.

Please take a look at some benchmarks before asking these question.

You can even try to browse the forums for similar posts there should be at least 10000 similar posts.

thanx for finding that mb, and the other last 2 posts. my question was answered like 30posts ago  

oh, ok this is a stupid question but i cant remember, it says 12"by9" which means base x hieght right?

oh and i just realized, my case can hole a max of 10x9 size mobo, and that mobo u found me (which would work) is only available in other countrys. but i tink i have to do with 2x184pin and 2x240 pin, and put my 512mb and 256mb in there and have 756mb of ram for a time until i get another 512 or higher. anyways DDR2 is better obviously so ill have 756 then switch over to DDR2 when i can. Oh and do they have a 24pin to 20pin cable converter? or will a 24pin work with a 20 pin? i know they make 20 to 24.

this is the 1 im thinking of.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

or the 1.86ghz
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

This is a JOKE.... right?! Im pretty sure even VIA's chip will beat a P4.

http://www.asus.com.tw/products4.aspx?l1=3&l2=11&l3=272...

A valid option, no? I know it has onboard gfx but you can turn it off and use a card no problem. Doesn't have 5 PCI slots, but surely 1) you dont need 5 and 2) your 12x9 or smaller current mobo doesnt have that many anyway? Also has 2 RAM slots only but we've talked about this.

MMkay, you're tryin a lil too hard.

You guys do realize that P4s are still selling, right? Most of the world is not filled with geeky enthusiasts. :roll: