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March 23, 2007 3:59:27 AM

I recently purchased an 8800 gtx, and for some reason, it's been giving me problems.

I can't set anti-aliasing in games, which I guess is ok, I can force it with the control panel.

I can force ultra quality on doom 3 and quake 4 as it does not work in the game. Ok.

But now, I have installed, and successfully run quake 4, but I am getting absolutely horrible frame rates. I have 97.92 nvidia xp drivers. I have used driver cleaner pro to get rid of the drivers I used with the 7900 that I swapped out of here. The 7900 ran absolutely perfectly with every game, albeit not with the FPS I desired (Dropping very low in supreme commander).

My system is:

E6600 @ 2.4
eVGA 680i
2 Raptors Raid0
Windows XP 32 professional
2GB Corsair Dominator @ 4-4-4-12 @ 800 Mhz
dwl 520+ NIC.
xfx 8800 gtx

It runs any other game perfectly. I was wondering if anyone had a similar problem? Does anyone know what I can do? I haven't tried swapping the video card out, and I haven't formatted since I placed the Video card, but I'd like these things to occur last.

Thank you for your time.
March 23, 2007 4:19:03 AM

8O 8O 8O 8O lMAO 14 fps that high :lol:  on 640x 480 , try reducing the resolution :lol: 

Alright first of all , it is NOT OKAY THAT YOU CANt SET AA 8O

I have a 8800 Gts and its the beast , your Gtx should spank the hell out if its lil bro :D 

Re-install the system , i generally don't believe in this but , this has to be some kind of record to be able to get 14 fps at 640x480 .

Are you sure your MOTHERBOARD drivers are properly installed , have you downloaded the latest Bios. 680i chipset has got some issues with RAM as well , specially Corsair .
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March 23, 2007 4:36:52 AM

Dude that screenshot was painful .

Doom 3 on what settings ?? you should be able to play these games at over 1600x1200 on full AA AF with everything set on UBER and still get TRIPLE digit bench marks .

Paging all geeks - Great APE and the rest , help this guy out .

All i can say is that unless your GTX is really a 9200 ati in disguise otherwise there is something seriously wrong.

What PSU are you using , dude give all the specs like how many amps on the 12 rails .

I read a lot of posts but yours is definitly a unique one . Don't worry though the guys on this forum will get to the bottom of this :D  get ready to answer some tough questions :lol: 

I just noticed , WELCOME TO THE FORUMS OFFICIALLY :D 
March 23, 2007 5:22:44 AM

ouch....

runs fine with old card...
runs terrible with new card...

you ran driver cleaner pro (you did use it from safe mode right ?)

Did you download the newest drivers ?

XP or Vista ? (I imagine XP based on the driver cleaner thing... not sure if it runs under vista or not)
March 23, 2007 5:53:08 AM

as other guys already said, install a new Windows XP Pro with Service Pack 2.
March 23, 2007 6:02:56 AM

The newest drivers are not always the best drivers. Try and install drivers that are a bit older. Its the same as some bios's, the new ones are not always the best. Just try it, you have nothing to lose.
March 23, 2007 8:08:50 AM

PSU? you are going to need a lot of A on the 12v rail for that lot. If the 8800 does not get the power is seems to go into safe mode.
March 23, 2007 9:07:07 AM

Yeah, try the thumbnail resolution. I'm sure you'll get somewhere around 40fps+ a good visual quality.

Quake 4 drivers are not that good with the new Nvidia forceware. I know for one thing DX9 drivers on Quake 4 is better with the older forceware. Whenever I install Quake 4 I used the 84 forceware and then play it, save and update the driver to latest DX9. Quake 4 is having a problem on not starting with the newer forceware. I don't know why and seems they can't have a patch for this error.

So for you installing Quake, use the oldest driver that is known to work with the game. Install the game, play it and then save. And finally update the forceware back to the latest. Try that.
March 23, 2007 9:19:12 AM

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Yeah, try the thumbnail resolution. I'm sure you'll get somewhere around 40fps+ a good visual quality. Q.


:lol:  :lol: 
March 23, 2007 10:04:14 AM

I have heard of other people having problems with the 8800 drivers. Have you tried any other game? Or is this problem only appearing in quake 4 ?
March 23, 2007 10:51:44 AM

The 8800 WinXP drivers are STILL terrible (after, what, 5 months?). I bought a GTS on the 16th and it arrived a couple days ago, and my god, it's awesome but........ the drivers just suck monkey penis.

It took me hours of tweaking to get HL2 (Source based games) and BF2 to even run with AA. I think nVidia needs to pull their finger out and start hammering out good quality driver code for their new top end cards.
March 23, 2007 11:15:49 AM

lol that screenshot looks like a 3D version of doom 2.

For some reason when i switched to the GTS i haen't been able to change the resolution on doom 3 and quake 4, it stayed at the default. The frames didn't go slow or anything but i couldn't change the res.

Then a played F.E.A.R. and stopped caring. :lol: 
March 23, 2007 1:46:20 PM

I have tried the 97.44 drivers, and the same problem arose. I don't know if this is what I should be getting, but in Doom 3, I have Ultra Quality, 1600x1200, all shaders on, 16xQ AA and 16x AF, Trilinear filtering, Supersampling, I get 44.8 fps average in the timedemo demo1. I don't know if this is normal. Also, my power supply says it has 35 A on the 12 volt rail. I think this is sufficient. The Power Supply is 600 w, and it says "SLI Ready", So I assumed this meant it was capable of powering the 8800.

I will try the older drivers as well. I will also try that suggestion by beerandcandy. If you guys can think of anything, that would be excellent, and as well, thank you for all the helpful posts, I really appreciate it.
March 23, 2007 1:52:00 PM

My GPU idles at about 59-60 in my case, it's an Antec 900. I'm hoping that those fans are doing something useful :) .

Yes, the extra power connector is in there.
March 23, 2007 2:39:42 PM

it sounds like you have a faulty card, you should return it and get another one.

I have a friend who bought a 7800gt a while back and had the same problem so he sent his back and it turns out his card was just a lemon

you should try using different drivers first though
March 23, 2007 2:55:40 PM

What do you mean the same problem? I get correct 3d mark 06 score (About 10,600 with this rig), and the framerates I'd expect in all the other games (Supreme Commander, Rise of Legends, Doom 3), it's only Quake 4 that doesn't work.

If however THAT is what you mean by same problem, then please post again so I can confirm.
March 23, 2007 3:00:37 PM

I can run the game at 1280x1024 at medium settings with my 9800 pro at a decent framerate....so.....yeah....somethings wrong....


I'd reinstall Windows. Sure sounds like a driver/windows related problem to me.
March 23, 2007 3:22:41 PM

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I'd reinstall Windows. Sure sounds like a driver/windows related problem to me.


The OP just said that the problem is only with Quake 4. All the other games perform as should.

@TStedel since your problem is with quake 4 only I suggest that you search ID software's site for a patch.
March 23, 2007 3:25:34 PM

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What do you mean the same problem? I get correct 3d mark 06 score (About 10,600 with this rig), and the framerates I'd expect in all the other games (Supreme Commander, Rise of Legends, Doom 3), it's only Quake 4 that doesn't work.

If however THAT is what you mean by same problem, then please post again so I can confirm.


Try uninstalling/reinstalling Quake 4...or just don't play it :roll:
March 23, 2007 3:27:43 PM

I have reinstalled Quake 4.

I'd even say ok to not playing it, but I'm afraid that this problem here is revealing deeper problems with my setup. I have only tried a handful of games with this card, and if there's certain things simply not working I would like it fixed.
March 23, 2007 3:39:51 PM

14 FPS on that card makes baby Jesus Cry.

March 23, 2007 3:54:36 PM

ID games are OpenGL games. Something is not letting your card work correctly with OpenGL. I know you used driver cleaner and installed the latest; try doing that again and going back to a previous version like one of the other posters said.

I can't check at the moment, but is there a setting in Nvidia's control panel that decides whether OpenGL is software or hardware rendered? It almost sounds like your OpenGL games are being processed by your CPU...

I'd check that. Or, when you uninstall your drivers, see if that gets rid of all Nvidia stuff; drivers AND any utilities such as their control panel. Then reinstall.

*EDIT

I misread where you said Doom3 works fine. In that case it's almost got to be application specific; try going through the game's settings with a fine-toothed comb and see if there's anything like I mentioned above. Or if there's an application-specific setting in your Nvidia control panel...

GL dude and let us know what you find.
March 23, 2007 3:58:54 PM

Have you tried running the quake patch that optimizes the game for Dual Core CPU's and then enabling the multicore option in your settings in Quake 4? Just a thought, as since your card seems to be fine with every other game you play then perhaps its not quite happy with your E6600, and thus causing the problems that you are getting.

Silly idea i know, but worth a try i guess.
March 23, 2007 4:05:41 PM

Yes, I have 1.3 patch, and it has smp. However, when I enable it, quake 4 will simply not work... :( 

Driver cleaner and the install did indeed remove the nvidia control panel.

As for the application specific settings, I don't believe I've changed it since my last driver clean, it's still all set to Application setting.
March 23, 2007 4:23:03 PM

I found this extract from the EVGA forums

"I have the same RAM and had previously been playing Quake 4 with the old P23 BIOS w/o problems. Yesterday, I flashed to P24 and a few hours into Q4 my system crashes (first time this has happened).

RAM is running at 800MHz 4-4-4-12 2T 2.1V using SLI-ready CPU-OC0% setting.

Are you guys running with the P24 BIOS?

The only BIOS setting that was changed between the two BIOS versions was to enable LinkBoost in P24 (i had it disabled in P23 'cos having it on led to fairly consistent BIOS error code 85 on post).

Well, P24 didn't seem to fix my code 85 problem. So have disabled LinkBoost now & will try Quake 4 again. Perhaps that's what caused the crash...

Core 2 Quad Extreme QX6700
eVGA NForce 680i (122-CK-NF68-AR) P23 BIOS
Corsair Twin2X2048-6400C4 12-4-4-4 2T
MSI GeForce 8800 GTX
150GB Western Digital Raptor X
320GB Seagate 7200.10
Imation DVD-RAM drive
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi ExtremeMusic
Cooler Master CM Stacker 830 (Black)
Zalman CNPS-9700 LED CPU cooler
Cooler Master Real Power Pro 850W PSU"

It seems that the EVGA 680i boards seem to be a little unhappy about Corsair RAM modules, and that the latest BIOS actually made things worse than the previous one... here is the link to the EVGA forums hopefully this will help with your problem.

http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/post.asp?met...
March 23, 2007 4:27:10 PM

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I'd reinstall Windows. Sure sounds like a driver /windows related problem to me.


The OP just said that the problem is only with Quake 4. All the other games perform as should.

Exactly what I mean. :D  This sounds like a driver issue. I couldn't run Quake 4 until I installed the new video driver. It was the same kind of thing. Low framerate at awful resolution. New drivers installed, and no problems since.
March 23, 2007 4:30:23 PM

Thank you very much for your replies. I am reading and considering each of your posts. I am not at my desktop right now, I'm at work, but when I get home, I will try everything that's been said this thread, short of formatting. I don't have an easy way to back up my data, and I have databases and some projects that I need to keep.
March 23, 2007 8:43:19 PM

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Exactly what I mean. :D  This sounds like a driver issue. I couldn't run Quake 4 until I installed the new video driver. It was the same kind of thing. Low framerate at awful resolution. New drivers installed, and no problems since.


I meant the reinstall windows part of your post :)  You couldn't run quake 4 without new video drivers, but could you run other games and only quake 4 gave you problems???

All evidence points to an application problem (in the OPs case quake 4). Then again I do not play quake 4 and I could be wrong :D  I'm just reading it based on the info the op provided.
March 24, 2007 2:12:02 AM

Don't know if anyone cares anymore, but I fixed the problem. Something was apparently wrong with my configuration files. I deleted them, and afterwards, no problems. I get several hundred FPS now on Medium and 640x480 now :) 

Thanks for all your help, most of this stuff I know will help me in the future troubleshoot problems.
a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2007 2:54:40 AM

Well please up your resolution (and post another screenie, this time we may be able to see what it is :lol:  )
March 24, 2007 3:07:08 AM

yeah.. why u still at 640x480? lol.....
good that u fixed ur problem and its not a 9200 in disguise like previously suggested.. :lol: 
March 24, 2007 10:24:04 AM

Glad you solved it in an easy manner. It's cases like this that helps me understand why people prefer counsels to the PC despite the suprior games available on the PC
March 26, 2007 12:32:41 AM

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I have tried the 97.44 drivers, and the same problem arose. I don't know if this is what I should be getting, but in Doom 3, I have Ultra Quality, 1600x1200, all shaders on, 16xQ AA and 16x AF, Trilinear filtering, Supersampling, I get 44.8 fps average in the timedemo demo1. I don't know if this is normal. Also, my power supply says it has 35 A on the 12 volt rail. I think this is sufficient. The Power Supply is 600 w, and it says "SLI Ready", So I assumed this meant it was capable of powering the 8800.

I will try the older drivers as well. I will also try that suggestion by beerandcandy. If you guys can think of anything, that would be excellent, and as well, thank you for all the helpful posts, I really appreciate it.




35Amp for a 600W is pretty low ! My 500watts 38amps psu is to the limit to power a 8800 gts. Because the only problem if its not the driver issue, could be the power and heating. Make sure you connected both pcie connector on the card.. 600W should be enought for your system, but the 35 amp factor is kinda low, you have a 6600 and 2 raptor drive, i dunno how many dvd drive, or fan you are powering on that too , but it could be on the limit, if you have a friend with a greater psu amp 12v rail, try it on it if nothing happen then its heating problems or drivers.
March 26, 2007 12:51:40 AM

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I have tried the 97.44 drivers, and the same problem arose. I don't know if this is what I should be getting, but in Doom 3, I have Ultra Quality, 1600x1200, all shaders on, 16xQ AA and 16x AF, Trilinear filtering, Supersampling, I get 44.8 fps average in the timedemo demo1. I don't know if this is normal. Also, my power supply says it has 35 A on the 12 volt rail. I think this is sufficient. The Power Supply is 600 w, and it says "SLI Ready", So I assumed this meant it was capable of powering the 8800.

I will try the older drivers as well. I will also try that suggestion by beerandcandy. If you guys can think of anything, that would be excellent, and as well, thank you for all the helpful posts, I really appreciate it.




35Amp for a 600W is pretty low ! My 500watts 38amps psu is to the limit to power a 8800 gts. Because the only problem if its not the driver issue, could be the power and heating. Make sure you connected both pcie connector on the card.. 600W should be enought for your system, but the 35 amp factor is kinda low, you have a 6600 and 2 raptor drive, i dunno how many dvd drive, or fan you are powering on that too , but it could be on the limit, if you have a friend with a greater psu amp 12v rail, try it on it if nothing happen then its heating problems or drivers.

yeah, maybe kinda low... I have something like 72A, combinding all my 12v+ rails..
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2007 1:20:00 AM

You dont work it out just my adding up your 12V rails.
March 26, 2007 1:26:46 AM

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You dont work it out just my adding up your 12V rails.


Oi? how do u do it? The Evga told me that the AMP requirement was calculated by adding up the 12v+ rails amperage....
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2007 1:42:47 AM

What is your psu? To find the amperage on the combined 12V rails you need to know the total wattage on those rails separate from the rest. Ill try and find it if you tell me your psu model.

EDIT: Nvm didnt look at your sig. :oops: 
March 26, 2007 1:47:44 AM

Ok, well if u could tell me it, and then I will see if i can get the same thing, that would be cool..
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2007 1:57:51 AM

The OCZ site doesnt specify the 12V wattage so there is no accurate way of working out your true 12V amperage. If you did have 72A, and you used the amperages given for the other rails on the OCZ site, your psu should be rated at 1132.8W approx. which is way off. 72A alone on the 12V rails is 864W. The 18A that it rates each of the 12V rails at is the max per rail, and you cant load all of them to max at once or your psu is long dead. The rails all come from the same single source after all. The load is usually spread out so that if one rail is near 18A, the others are probably closer to 10A or less. It should never exceed the maximum wattage that the combined rails can produce.
March 26, 2007 2:01:29 AM

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The OCZ site doesnt specify the 12V wattage so there is no accurate way of working out your true 12V amperage. If you did have 72A, and you used the amperages given for the other rails on the OCZ site, your psu should be rated at 1132.8W approx. which is way off. 72A alone on the 12V rails is 864W. The 18A that it rates each of the 12V rails at is the max per rail, and you cant load all of them to max at once or your psu is long dead. The rails all come from the same single source after all. The load is usually spread out so that if one rail is near 18A, the others are probably closer to 10A or less. It should never exceed the maximum wattage that the combined rails can produce.


Oh ok, Look at newegg, and then the picture with the sideview, with that help with the calculation?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Oh, and sorry to kinda jack thing here about ur 8800... :oops: 
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2007 2:12:41 AM

Yea soz to the OP too...

Anyways I looked and I thought "eh?" the total power is 20W less than the total 12V power. And then you gotta include the 5V and 3.3V rails which are supposedly 155W. All up its over 700W, which is way more than the rating. How accurate that 580W is I dont know, but assuming its right and the 600W is conservative (very!) then you have about 48A total 12V. Thats on an assumption there so...
March 26, 2007 2:15:44 AM

ummmmm Im confused :? .. but thanks?
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2007 3:20:44 AM

I'm good at confusing people 8)

Look at the pic of the label on the psu, it says total power on all rails is 600W. But just above it it says the total power of the 12V rails is 580W. Now if the 600W spec is correct, how can the combined power of the 5V and 3.3V rails still be 155W (on the left side of the sticker) when you only have 20W to spare? Thats what I was getting at. Now if we assume the 580W rating for the 12V rails is correct, then you have:

580/12 = 48.3333333...amps on your combined 12V rails.

EDIT: Maybe PM mpilchfamily about it, he knows alot more about psus than I do, in fact he spends most of his time in the psu section.
March 26, 2007 8:39:32 AM

Dude i just looked up your PSU. Its more than sufficient , it a 4 rail PSU, which should be outputting around 48A, more than enough .

So your PSU is Fine 8)
March 26, 2007 9:16:03 AM

Sounds like a driver issue.. Get the latest Geforce 8 drivers
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2007 10:17:19 AM

Better late than never I guess :?
March 26, 2007 10:28:26 AM

Um, ok...
March 26, 2007 10:37:21 AM

Didn't you read the whole thread?
March 26, 2007 10:42:43 AM

Nope, i read TStedel's problem and i new it was the driver...
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