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March 23, 2007 1:20:05 PM

I've read that some owners/overclockers like the E6300 over their E6600. Is the E6600 worth the extra money? Mainly used for playing graphic intensive games with the normal culprits - 8800GTX etc. Thanks!

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March 23, 2007 1:33:34 PM

If you have the extra money to spare the E6600 is totally worth it. Although if your going to be oc'ing your proc I would spend the extra $20 and get a Xeon 3060, the exact same thing as an E6600, only binned higher and approved for server use by Intel. They usually run slightly cooler and can oc a little higher on lower voltages.
March 23, 2007 1:35:53 PM

Sure, I'd say if you're going to shell out the cash for a 8800GTX, go for an e6600/3060. It's a lot better at stock and will overclock significantly better.
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March 23, 2007 1:39:29 PM

Ahh I haven't heard of the Xeon 3060. I will try to find info on them. What's the difference between the 6600 and 3060 really? Also, what motherboard do you recommend for the 3060? I was looking at the EVGA 680i (sheesh price) for the E6600. Thanks!
March 23, 2007 1:45:01 PM

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These processors are technically none comparable. One of these processors (the Conroe) is designed to operate within a standard computer to run games and other home based applications. The Xeon is designed to be operating within a workstation or symmetric multi processor (SMP) server environment.

Therefore logic would state that the Xeon would operate move effectively with advanced numerical work even though to the lower level they are the same specification. The Core 2 Duo (Conroe) would therefore operate more effectively at games.

At the low level these processors are identical in specification however if you look at the processing units then you will notice that they are both designed to work with certain things
The Xeon is not designed for overclocking and will not overclock as far as the Conroe. However it will out perform it in mathematical processing.

Overall you want a Conroe


That's all I've read about it. He seems to know what he's talking about, but I would've thought they would be the same, so I'd look into it further before making the decision. My inclination would be to stick with the e6600, but who knows. Maybe I'll research it later when I'm not busy at work, it's kinda interesting.
March 23, 2007 1:46:18 PM

When I say exact I mean exact. There the same processor, all the specs are the same, any mobo you can use with an E6600 you can use with a 3060. You can tear the IHS off an E6600 and a Xeon 3060, there dies will look exactly the same. The only difference is that there binned higher, Intel has put them through a variety of tests and they perform slightly better then the other cpu's. So there put in a different package, cost slightly more, and Intel gives there stamp of approval for their use in servers, where stability, performance, and reliability matter most.

@jeff_2087: Was that guy talking about the Xeon 3xxx series against the Conroes, or the Xeon 5xxx series?
March 23, 2007 1:48:33 PM

Gotcha, thanks alot!
March 23, 2007 1:52:22 PM

He was talking about the 3060, because it was the same discussion we had here, someone had suggested getting the Xeon 3060 instead of the e6600 because they're the same CPU. I'd trust you over him though, maybe he has no idea what he's talking about.
March 23, 2007 2:02:29 PM

*Grins with pride*
March 23, 2007 2:04:30 PM

Haha yes I should have mentioned, kudos to the Ninja for a good comparison and reliable answer.
March 23, 2007 2:42:22 PM

E6600 Is where its alll at, with the 4 mb of cache, you simply cannot go wrong with this purchase, definetly worth the extra bucks, keep in mind that the e6300 only has 2 mb of cache

GL :wink:
March 23, 2007 2:43:01 PM

if your on a budget then the 6300 is a good buy but if you dont care how much money you spend then get the 6600. If ive read correctly there are some price cuts coming very soon(sometime around april/may) so you should watch for that.
March 23, 2007 3:52:43 PM

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*Grins with pride*


Dont break your arm patting yourself on the back yet. Im going to criticize you for your scaling in those charts. "your scaling is awful"

your 3DMArk scaling shows a bar about 10% bigger to illistrate what is in fact about 2/10ths of one percent difference.

Your minimum FPS shows a bar 25% greater to demonstrate 1.4% difference.

On the MFlops scale you have a 60% larger bar illistrating less than 2/10ths of one percent different.

This is what I see underhanded marketing companies doing to prove their product is soo much better. And you should realize that though it would never fool people like you and I. There are alot of yournger and more niave people that may purchase solely based on that fact that charts like yours make the 3060 look twice as powerful as the 6600 and may buy/waste money unnecessarily. It is IMO that if you really wanted to demonstrate the "difference" between the chip or anything for that matter then scaling should be from ZERO to slightly higher than the largest value obtained. Then you would clearly see that the difference is about as close to nothing as it can get. And though I respect that you do in fact seem to be doing an imperical comparison of several chips, your scaling, at a glance, appears to be something quite different.

On a lighter note. Good work and where is the OCing !!!! So what if the P4 wont OC. Lest see the rsults of the ones that did.
March 23, 2007 4:21:40 PM

I think he had fixed scales on down the post.
March 23, 2007 4:32:15 PM

Yeah, I ignore all those that complain about zero'ed graphs. If the person can't read the numbers, that ain't my fault.
March 23, 2007 4:49:00 PM

Is the extra level multiplier and +2MB L2 Cache worth the extra small amount of money? You betcha. However, if you're going cheap, with the budget 6300, some would suggest taking a look at the e4300 Allendale with the higher multiplier (9x compared to 7x) and 200MHz starting FSB.

You'll see that the extra 2MB L2 cache won't benefit as much in gaming (In a few games it does give u a slight edge), and more so in video encoding/decoding and applications.

One way to look at it is:

E6600 - less stress on mobo when Ocing, less stress on RAM when OCing because of the higher multiplier

E6300 - more stress on mobo when Ocing, more stress on RAM (You'll need to hit about 350MHz FSB to get same clock speed as the E6600 and your RAM will be running at 700MHz 1:1.) So say you want 500MHz FSBes, you'll be looking at DDR2 1066 which are more expensive than DDR2 800.

Xeon 3060 equivalent to C2D E6600.
March 23, 2007 4:59:06 PM

Thanks, I think I will go with the Xeon 3060. Funny how you post to find out about one thing and some nice folks tell you about something totally different (but in this case the same :lol:  )

So my system looks as such right now:

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB HDCP Video Card
OCZ GameXStream OCZ700GXSSLI ATX12V 700W Power Supply
Intel Xeon 3060 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6030
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL4D-2GBPK
2 X in Raid 0 Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD2500KS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound (Should I paste the north and south bridges also? If so, do I need more than one paste?)
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
SILVERSTONE FM121-B 120mm Case Fan
Windows XP

That's going to run almost 2k, I was hoping for around 1,500 (keeping my monitor and keyboard/mouse). Any critiques will be happily taken. Thanks!
March 23, 2007 5:48:43 PM

Really nice specs. Best of luck getting it all together. Should be a great system.
March 23, 2007 5:51:45 PM

Looks good. All I can say is that I prefer Seagate Perpendiculars to Western Digital, but it's not a big deal. Also if you want to save some money you could skip the sound card for now, as onboard sound goes the EVGA's is actually pretty decent.

:trophy:
March 23, 2007 6:11:22 PM

I must be behind! I haven't heard of the perpindiculars either! And I've been searching on components for a month! Granted, not that much on hard drives, but I don't remember seeing perps in anyone's specs.

Thanks for the heads up on the x23. I always heard AS5 was great, but 5 degrees celcius is a big difference.
March 24, 2007 2:40:10 AM

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Yeah, I ignore all those that complain about zero'ed graphs. If the person can't read the numbers, that ain't my fault.


I guess I should feel ignored hehe :)  its all good. And then the next post he links to zero'd graphs. Couldnt help but notice the irony.
March 24, 2007 2:44:45 AM

When a difference needed to be shown, I do as I damn well please. :wink:
March 24, 2007 3:15:46 AM

I like my e6300, although a 6600 would be nice'rrrr :) 
March 27, 2007 3:20:52 PM

Egad, avoid. It's Netburst, not Core 2.
March 27, 2007 3:56:43 PM

Thats a totally different packaging. 771, not 775.
March 28, 2007 2:07:50 AM

Did I say something that pissed some one off?
March 28, 2007 2:29:08 AM

No dood, not at all. I was just replying to your " I do what I want" comment. I thought it was funny. Just take an advil and chill. Works wonders for my wifes PMS too. hehe :) 
March 28, 2007 2:40:52 AM

I was referring to the fact that someone keeps one staring me. Don't be so quick to assume on your end either.
March 28, 2007 5:52:56 AM

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If you have the extra money to spare the E6600 is totally worth it. Although if your going to be oc'ing your proc I would spend the extra $20 and get a Xeon 3060, the exact same thing as an E6600, only binned higher and approved for server use by Intel. They usually run slightly cooler and can oc a little higher on lower voltages.


I was just curious, does that same rule apply to the Xeon 3070 compared to the e6700? After the price drops, the e6700 falls into roughly the price point currently occupied by the e6600 and I was wondering if the 3070 would be a better choice (assuming it drops in price as well).
March 28, 2007 6:00:23 AM

your right, sorry but your post was "in reply to little_scrapper" thats why I assumed you were talking to me. No worries then, Ill give you a 5star to make up for it.
March 28, 2007 12:17:21 PM

Eh. I think the vote system should be abolished. Its too open to abuse. Never used it myself.
March 28, 2007 4:26:36 PM

just a question does anyone know if they are releasing a new version of the 3040 and 3050 but with the 4mb l2 cache to correspond with the release of the 6320 and 6420 in april.

I know the price cuts should be there also:
http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=36503

$224 for the 3060 and $183 for the 3050 (would get the 3050 if it came with the 4mb cache)
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