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speed fan and my e4300!!!!! need a little help

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March 23, 2007 4:18:53 PM

ok im running at stock speeds for now to configure speed fan im almost have it right i think

ok at idel TAT core 0 36c to 38c
core 1 37c to 39c
at idel speed fan is reading temp 1 35c ( not ure what it is)
temp 2 26c (this is the tcase )
temp 3 22c (ambiant)(offset +23)
core 0 35c to 37c (offset +15 )
core 1 36c to 39c offset +15 )(Tjunction)

Ambient = 23c
Chipset = 965
C2D = E4300
CPU Cooler = intel stock cooler
Frequency = 1.8 gig
Load = TAT 100% 10 Minutes
Motherbord = GA-965P-S3
Vcore = in the bois i have it set to normal witch is 1.325 but it seem that cpu-z changes from 1.28 to 1.34

under load my temps are
under TAT 100% core0 60c
core1 61c

speedfan under tat 100%
temp1 36c
temp2 53c (tcase)
temp3 22c (ambiant )
core0 62c (offset +15) (Tjunction)
core1 61c (offset +15)

ok i can not give any more stats lol
question1 in the temp giuld it says there has to be a 15c diffrence between the tcase and the Tjunction well i only have about a 10c differance between the 2 at idel and under Tat 100% is that ok??????

question 2 do my speed fan offsets look right???? and what is temp 1??

question 3 in the temp giuld it says there shouldent be a 25c differance from idel to load but i have over that is that ok????

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March 23, 2007 11:01:06 PM

I see your temp difference from idle to load right at 25C. What numbers are you comparing?
March 24, 2007 4:54:56 PM

can i get my other questions answerd??? dose any one have any idia what temp1 is ??? and is it ok to only have about a 10c dif between tcase and tjuntion??????? and the 2 temps that i was comparing where the tcase idel to load temps its a delta of 27 to 28 c now this thing is running at stock speeds shoulde there still be that big of a delta whats should i do??????
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March 25, 2007 11:21:15 PM

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idel TAT 39c
speed fan temp 1 35c
temp 2 26c (tcase )
temp 3 22c (ambiant)(offset +23)
core 39c (offset +15 )(Tjunction)

Ambient = 23c
Chipset = 965
C2D = E4300
CPU Cooler = intel stock cooler
Frequency = 1.8 gig
Load = TAT 100% 10 Minutes
Motherbord = GA-965P-S3
Vcore = 1.28 to 1.34

load TAT 61c
speedfan temp1 36c
temp2 53c (tcase)
temp3 22c (ambiant )
core 62c (offset +15) (Tjunction)

1 in the temp giuld it says there has to be a 15c diffrence between the tcase and the Tjunction well i only have about a 10c differance between the 2 at idel and under Tat 100% is that ok?

2 do my speed fan offsets look right? and what is temp 1??

3 in the temp giuld it says there shouldent be a 25c differance from idel to load but i have over that is that ok?


(1) Tcase is offset in SpeedFan by +5, which need to be corrected.

(2) Temp 1 is your motherboard.

(3) Check your CPU Integrated Heat Spreader for flatness, since your Delta is close to spec, and your temps are slightly high with respect to ambient and Vcore on the stock cooler.

Hope this helps,

Comp 8)
March 26, 2007 7:08:56 AM

thanks CompuTronix for your help whats this hole thing about max tjuntion in core temp of 85c vs. 100c if tat was off buy 15+ that would put the tcase temp below ambient and that not posible right??? i would think that a tcase temp nere ambient would be really good i tryed to read the intel document but that easyer siad then done lol. i biult 2 of these comp one for me and one for my brother he picked his befor any os was on them hes upset that his temps are about 8 degrees high than mine and idal and load so im thinking about lapping bouth and cpu hardware mods, well see how it gose i still havent told him what im planning lol im sure he will not like the idia (ill talk him in to it lol )
March 26, 2007 9:57:05 AM

this seems a little odd to me CompuTronix you told me to put a -5 offset in my temp 2 (tcase ) and now it seems to be all in rang and what not but i went to do the same to my brothers comp and i had to but a +5 in his temp2 (tcase) to get it to fit in its range any idias?????? ( in bouth computers there is a +15 offset on the cores) and on another note under the offste page

it looks like this
temperature sensor diode 1 thermistor
temperature sensor diode 2 diode ( why is this differant? and what is it)
temperature sensor diode 3 thermistor

once again thanks for all the help
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March 26, 2007 1:41:22 PM

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whats this hole thing about max tjuntion in core temp of 85c vs. 100c


Core Temp's Tjunction value of either 85c or 100c is Intel's Tjunction max (Tj max) specification, and is not a temperature measurement. 85c is the correct spec for Desktop C2D's, and 100c is the correct spec for Mobile C2D's and Quad Cores. Core Temp does not always correctly detect and report Tjunction. From the Guide:

Quote:
Specifications

Intel's Thermal Specification: http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL9...

Thermal Specification:

* The thermal specification shown is the maximum case temperature at the maximum Thermal Design Power (TDP) value for that processor. It is measured at the geometric center on the topside of the processor integrated heat spreader.

X6800 = 60.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 75w
E6700 = 60.1c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6600 = 60.1c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6400 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E6300 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3525, TDP = 65w
E4300 = 61.4c, Vcore max = 1.3250, TDP = 65w

** For processors without integrated heat spreaders such as mobile processors, the thermal specification is referred to as the junction temperature (Tj). The maximum junction temperature is defined by an activation of the processor Intel® Thermal Monitor. The Intel Thermal Monitor’s automatic mode is used to indicate that the maximum TJ has been reached.

Desktop C2D's = 85c
Ambient Temperature = 22c
Idle to Load Delta Max = 25c
Tcase + 15c = Tjunction
Thermal Sensor Accuracy = +/-1c

Troubleshooting

(E) Any hardware and / or software may misreport Tcase and / or Tjunction temps.

(I) Core Temp shows Tjunction 85c or 100c. This is Intel's Tj max spec, and is information only.


Quote:
put a -5 offset in my temp 2 (tcase ) and now it seems to be all in rang and what not but i went to do the same to my brothers comp and i had to but a +5 in his temp2 (tcase) to get it to fit in its range any idias??????


The second computer may not be 100% identical. From the Guide:

Quote:
Variables

The typical ~ 15c difference between the single Tcase temp, and the dual Tjunction temps can be erroneous due to calibration inaccuracies in chipsets, BIOS releases, driver versions, and motherboard utilities.

Troubleshooting

(E) Any hardware and / or software may misreport Tcase and / or Tjunction temps.

(F) 965 chipsets may misreport Tcase and Tjunction temperatures with +/-15c offsets.


Quote:
temperature sensor diode 1 thermistor
temperature sensor diode 2 diode ( why is this differant? and what is it)
temperature sensor diode 3 thermistor


The "diode" refers to the on-die Tcase sensor, which is a thermal diode. From the Guide:

Quote:
Interpretation

* The...CPU Case Thermal Diode is used to display the CPU temp in BIOS, where thermal tables are stored to emulate the heat spreader. This is the CPU die temperature measured between the cores.

Troubleshooting

(D) SpeedFan 4.32 may detect Tcase (CPU or Temp X) as Temp 1, Temp 2 or Temp 3.


Hope this helps,

Comp 8)
March 26, 2007 6:51:19 PM

ya thanks that helps alot (you help alot) you are the man when it comes to temps as i see you have a post on all temp questions all us newbies need to to thank you over and over. so i guess what it all comes down to it that i got a ok e4300 and my brother has a shetty e4300 im guessing we will bouth benafit from lapping and new cpu coolers.

i was looking at this one it seems to cool well. along with not being to tall for a tower type cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150082
March 26, 2007 7:44:23 PM

max tjuction refers to a design spec limit of 85 to 100 degrees C before the electronic junctions of the transistors that the CPU is made of will fail due to temps being too high for the materials ...which then let out the magic smoke.
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