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March 24, 2007 1:25:13 AM

Sanji's Latest and Greatest DIY Build Guide!

Update: 3/26/07
Build 1.5
Hard Drive section finished up.
I'm tackling the OS section next. XP vs. Vista 32-bit vs. Vista 64-bit vs. various Linux distros!

Design based upon the CPU Buyer's Guide

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Table of Contents

Build Suggestion Post Information
Nothing is more frustrating than a post that says NOTHING about what a user wants in a computer. I've put together a small list of things that can really speed up the process when it comes to making builds!

Power Supplies
The heart of a computer. You don't want to have a heart attack do you?

Motherboards
The genes of a computer. This dictates what your build can and cannot be.
Incomplete


CPU
The brain of a computer. You don't want to be dumb, do you?

Video Card
The eyes of a computer. You don't want to have poor eyesight, do you?

Memory
The dexterity of a computer. You want to be able to multi-task, right?

Hard Drives
This is like the long term memory! Yaaaaay!

Cases
This is like the body of a computer. The ones with LED lights are like super buff muscle men! Well not really, either way not everyone likes that :p 

Operating System
Windows or Linux?! Mac? lol.
Incomplete


Cooling
This is like the ounce of prevention for a computer. If your computer never overheats (or in our case, get sick) it'll never need more medicine. If you want to overclock then, by all means, go for the better cooling!
Incomplete

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Proper Build Suggestion Post Information

So, you're ready to let the members here at the forum tweak/create a build for you. Here is a simple format you can use!

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Am I overclocking? (Yes, no, or I'm interested but currently unsure about overclocking)
If yes, how much will you be overclocking? (Very little, as far as I can on stock voltage, as far as I can with minor voltage increase [less than 10%], as far as possible on air, or as far as possible on water)

What is my budget? ($ amount. Specify if Canadian or USD)

Usage of the Computer? (Gaming, work, HTPC, Video Editting, Image Editting ...)

What games do you play? (Specify what games you play, if any)

What resolution do you use your computer at? (Specify resolution)

Do you use multiple monitors? (Yes or no)

Do you have any additional questions or comments? (List them here)

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Power Supplies

If there are two parts in a computer that shouldn't be skimped out upon, then it would be the power supply and the motherboard. A poor power supply could kill your entire computer. No joke.

The main things to look for in a power supply are reliability and amps on the 12v. A reliable power supply most likely won't fail on your and will last the duration of your system. The amps on the 12v dictate what sort of video card and processor you'll be able to get without overvolting the PSU. Going over the suggested wattage of the PSU could fry it and your system!

REMEMBER. WATTAGE ISN'T EVERYTHING.

For more information see PSU 101

For reliable power supples see PSU Reference List (US)

Both topics are by the PSU guru, mpilchfamily.

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Motherboards

The motherboard is one of the two parts you shouldn't neglect. This part can determine the potential of your system. How much RAM it can hold, what CPUs it can use, what video cards it can have, what overclocking potential your system has, can it use SLI/CF, what case your can use, what upgrades you can make, etc etc.

Socket SLI? SATA? PATA? PCI Express x16? RAID?

AMD

For AMD, I suggest AM2 socket motherboards. They'll support AM2+ processors at HT 2.0 instead of 3.0, giving you a solid upgrade path. I do not suggest socket 939 unless you are going to use an Opteron.

BIOSTAR GEFORCE 6100 AM2 Socket AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6100 Micro ATX RoHs compliant AMD Motherboard
$62.99
AM2. No. 2. 2 ATA100 up to 4 devices. 1. RAID 0/1
This is a fairly cheap motherboard that is micro-ATX, has integrated graphics, and is a surprisingly decent overclocker.

BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 550 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$69.99 after MIR (Ends 4/30/07)
AM2. No. 4. 1 ATA100 up to 2 devices. 1. RAID 0/1/0+1 JBOD
Excellent overclocking ability and dirt cheap with a combo. Highly recommended.

GIGABYTE GA-M55SLI-S4 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$79.99
AM2. Yes. 4. 2 ATA100 up to 4 devices. 2. RAID 0/1/0+1 JBOD
Another good overclocking board with SLI. If you want dual-card setups, then this is a solid option.

ASUS M2NPV-VM M-ATX
$87
AM2. No. 4. 2 ATA100 up to 4 devices. 1. RAID 0/1/0+1 JBOD
Not an overclocker, but it is more for a media center (if I read correctly.)

ASUS M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
$134
AM2. Yes. 6. 1 ATA100 up to 2 devices. 2. RAID 0/1/0+1/5
Overclocker that supports lots of SATA.

ASUS L1N64-SLI WS Dual Socket L (Socket 1207FX) NVIDIA nForce 680a SLI MCP SSI CEB AMD Motherboard - Retail
AM2. Quad SLI. 12. 1 ATA100 up to 2 devices. 4. RAID 0/1/0+1/5/JBOD
$347
Quad-freaking-FX. 2 processors and 4 video cards.

Intel

To be updated. To save me some time, please suggest additions to this section. :D 

Would you like to suggest other motherboards? Please post!

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CPU

The processor of a system is an important component in a computer. It is sometimes called the brain of the computer as it interprets every instruction.

Lowest Budget
Basic computers will often use this types of processors. They are all single-core, currently, and are based upon outdated or slower architectures. These are some of the most entry level of entry levels.

Intel Celeron D 356
Single-Core

Price: $61
Model: Cedar Mill
Clock Speed: 133 * 24 = 3.2ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Highly. 5ghz on air. Possibility of 5ghz stock cooler.
OC Equivalent: Pentium D 930 stock at Multi-Threaded Applications. MAY reach the FX-5x series in performance at stock.
Notes: Same performance as P4 Northwood. Hey, a 5ghz Northwood ain't bad :) .

Sempron 64 3000+ (OEM)
Single-Core

Price: $41
Model: Manila
Clock Speed: 1.6ghz
Manufacturing Process: 90nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Information Needed and Appreciated
OC Equivalent: Upper-level Sempron? *shrug*

Mid-End ($75-100)

Athlon 64 3200+
Single-Core

Price: $75
Model: Orleans
Clock Speed: 2ghz
Manufacturing Process: 90nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Strong. 2.7ghz+ on air.
OC Equivalent: High-end Athlon 64 (4000+)
Notes: Strong single core performance.

Athlon X2 3600+
Dual-Core

Price: $76
Model: Brisbane
Clock Speed: 1.9ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Strong. 2.8-3ghz on air
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock and occasionally, overclocked.
Notes: VERY good. Highly suggested.

Athlon X2 3800+
Dual-Core

Price: $98
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Strong. Clock speeds slughtly less than X2 3600.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock and occasionally, overclocked.
Notes: Has more cache than the X2 3600+. More performance per clock.

Pentium D 805
Dual-Core

Price: $75
Model: Smithfield
Clock Speed: 133 * 20 = 2.66ghz
Manufacturing Process: 90nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Highly. 3.8ghz on air. 4ghz+ on water.
OC Equivalent: FX-60 Stock.
Notes: Runs hot. Very strong overclocker.

Pentium D 940
Dual-Core

Price: $99
Model: Presler
Clock Speed: 200 * 16 == 3.2ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Highly. 4ghz+ on air
OC Equivalent: Superior to FX-60 on stock.
Notes: Runs cooler. Stronger overclocking than Pentium D 805.

Upper Mid-End ($100-200)

E4300
Dual-Core

Price: $170
Model: Allendale
Clock Speed: 200 * 9 == 1.8ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Highly. Fairly good shot at 3ghz.
OC Equivalent: E6700/X6800 at stock
Notes: This is the Allendale core. It has 2MB of L2 cache and runs cool. It is a good overclocker but is pale in comparison to the Conroe's. It is superior to overclocked K8s.

E6300
Dual-Core

Price: $183
Model: Conroe-2M/Allendale
Clock Speed: 266 * 7 == 1.86ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Highly. Allendale cores may struggle much beyond 3ghz but the Conroe-2M can get past 3ghz with a very outside shot at 4ghz on water.
OC Equivalent: Overclocked Conroe
Notes: There are two versions of this processor out. They are the L2 and B2 steppings. The B2 is the Conroe-2M and overclocks VERY well. The L2 is an Allendale at a 266 fsb and does not overclock as well.

Athlon X2 4200+
Dual-Core

Price: $106
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2.2ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Fairly strong. 2.7-2.9ghz.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: To be frank, not much better than the X2 3800+.

Athlon X2 4600+
Dual-Core

Price: $122
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2.4ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Fairly strong. 2.7-2.9ghz.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: If you're going to run stock, then this is a good deal.

Opteron 2210
Dual-Core

Price: $179
Model: Santa Rosa
Clock Speed: 1.8ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: F
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Fairly strong. 2.8-3.1ghz.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock and lightly OC'd.
Notes: Amazingly, it can be used in QuadFX. It makes for a cheap alternative in that section. As an Opteron, it OCs better than the X2's.

High End ($200-$500)

E6400
Dual-Core

Price: $222
Model: Conroe-2M/Allendale
Clock Speed: 266 * 8 == 2.13ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Highly. Allendale cores may struggle much beyond 3.2ghz but the Conroe-2M can easily get past that.
OC Equivalent: Overclocked Conroe
Notes: There are two versions of this processor out. They are the L2 and B2 steppings. The B2 is the Conroe-2M and overclocks VERY well. The L2 is an Allendale at a 266 fsb and does not overclock as well.

E6600
Dual-Core

Price: $313
Model: Conroe
Clock Speed: 266 * 9 == 2.4ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: VERY strong. People have hit past 3.6ghz on air.
OC Equivalent: Overclocked Conroe
Notes: This Conroe has a full 4MB cache giving it 10% superior performance over the Allendale/Conroe-2M cores clock for clock. It is a superb overclocker and at a solid price point.

Athlon X2 5200+
Dual-Core

Price: $205
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2.6ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Moderate. 2.7-3ghz.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: Unfortunately, the K8 architecture seems to top out near 3ghz.

Athlon X2 5400+
Dual-Core

Price: $255
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2.8ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Low. 3ghz possible.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: Unfortunately, the K8 architecture seems to top out near 3ghz.

Athlon X2 5600+
Dual-Core

Price: $329
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2.8ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Low. 3ghz possibly.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: This has twice as much cache as the X2 5400+.

Athlon X2 6000+
Dual-Core

Price: $456
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 3ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: AM2
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Low. Very small OCs.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: Unfortunately, the K8 architecture seems to top out near 3ghz. That's why we arn't seeing 3.2ghz K8s...

Enthusiast End ($500+)

E6700
Dual-Core

Price: $522
Model: Conroe
Clock Speed: 266 * 10 == 2.66ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: VERY strong. People have hit past 3.6ghz on air.
OC Equivalent: Overclocked Conroe
Notes: The E6700 doesn't overclock much better than the E6600. It is better at stock, though.

X6800
Dual-Core

Price: $970
Model: Conroe
Clock Speed: 266 * 11 == 2.93ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: VERY strong. 4ghz shouldn't be that hard.
OC Equivalent: Nothing except itself.
Notes: This is the best dual-core processor ever. Monster overclocker, unlocked multiplier, sweet black box... it has it all!

FX-70
Dual-Core/Quad-Core

Price: $329
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2.6ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: 1207FX
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Moderate. 2.7-3ghz.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: I only suggest using it for QuadFX. Two of these makes a quad-core. This is listed in the Enthusiast section because you need to buy 2 of them to use the Quad-Core.

FX-72
Dual-Core/Quad-Core

Price: $379
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 2.8ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: 1207FX
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Low. 3ghz possibly.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: I only suggest using it for QuadFX. Two of these makes a quad-core. This is listed in the Enthusiast section because you need to buy 2 of them to use the Quad-Core.

FX-74
Dual-Core/Quad-Core

Price: $520
Model: Windsor
Clock Speed: 3ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: 1207FX
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: Low. Very small OCs.
OC Equivalent: Dual core FX-6x stock.
Notes: I only suggest using it for QuadFX. Two of these makes a quad-core.

Q6600
Quad-Core

Price: $846
Model: Kentsfield
Clock Speed: 266 * 9 == 2.4ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: VERY strong. People have hit past 3.6ghz on air.
OC Equivalent: Overclocked Kentsfield
Notes: A slightly cheaper quad-core. It is still a great overclocker.

QX6700
Quad-Core

Price: $970
Model: Kentsfield
Clock Speed: 266 * 10 == 2.66ghz
Manufacturing Process: 65nm
Socket: LGA775
64 Bit?: Yes
Overclockable: VERY strong. People have hit over 4ghz on air.
OC Equivalent: Nothing except itself.
Notes: The best Quad-Core processor on the market. Very fast, great overclocking, and a quad-core. Can't knock it.

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Video Card

Lowest Budget ($50 cap)
Chaintech 7100GS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $33.99 after MIR (Ends Apr 31)
Core Speed: 350mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 400mhz
Memory: 128MB on board
Memory Interface: DDR
Pixel Pipelines: 4
Overclockable: Unknown.
Notes: Business card. Multi-monitor support. Slight upgrade from onboard.

Gigabyte Radeon X1050
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $42.99
Core Speed: 400mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 400mhz?
Memory: 128MB onboard
Memory Interface: GDDR2
Pixel Pipelines: 4
Overclockable: Unknown.
Notes: Business card. Multi-monitor support. Slight upgrade from onboard.

MSI 7300LE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $44.99
Core Speed: 400mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 550mhz
Memory: 128MB onboard
Memory Interface: GDDR2
Pixel Pipelines: 4
Overclockable: Unknown. With volt mod, possible 700mhz on core?
Notes: Don't expect to game at more than 800x600 with decent FPS. If heavily overclocked, could bring in almost decent gaming performance?

ASUS X1300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $48.99
Core Speed: 450mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 500mhz
Memory: 128MB
Memory Interface: GDDR2
Pixel Pipelines: 4
Overclockable: Unknown.
Notes: Don't expect to game at more than 800x600 with decent FPS.

Prolink 6600LE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $49.99
Core Speed: 300mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 600mhz
Memory: 128MB
Memory Interface: DDR
Pixel Pipelines: 4 (Flashable to 8)
Overclockable: Unknown. Seems low.
Notes: Flashable to get 8 pipelines.

Entry Level ($100 cap)

Jetway X1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $63.99
Core Speed: 600mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1200mhz
Memory: 128MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 12
Overclockable: Fairly overclockable. You might get a 15% OC on the core.
Notes: A big improvement over the more budget cards. Still, it isn't the greatest card in the world but will get the job done.

EVGA 7600GS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Price: $72.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 400mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 800mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR2
Pixel Pipelines: 12
Overclockable: GDDR2 model does not overclock that great. Gains only a few FPS.
GDDR3 is good at overclocking and will reach 7600GT-range performance.
Notes: A big improvement over the more budget cards. Still, it isn't the greatest card in the world but will get the job done.

Biostar 7600GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $87.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 560mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1400mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 12
Overclockable: Once overclocked, it can beat the X1800GTO.
Notes: A big improvement over the more budget cards. Still, it isn't the greatest card in the world but will get the job done.

EVGA 7600GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $99.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 560mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1400mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 12
Overclockable: Once overclocked, it can beat the X1800GTO.
Notes: A big improvement over the more budget cards. Still, it isn't the greatest card in the world but will get the job done. Remember the stepup. :D 

Mid-Range Gaming ($150 cap)

Sapphire X1900GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $129.99
Core Speed: 575mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1200mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 12 (36 pixel shader processors)
Overclockable: Not the greatest overclocker. That's for sure.
Notes: The 7900GT may dwarf it in FPS, but it is still a great card.

Foxconn 7900GS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $134.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 560mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1400mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 20
Overclockable: Overclocks like MADMAN. Once overclocked, blows the pants off the X1900GT. It can even beat the 7900GT! It may not blow the pants off the 7900GT OC'd though, as the 7900GT hits 550/1600 relatively easily...
Notes: HIGHLY suggested card! Mad overclocking and great performance!

EVGA 7900GS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $139.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 560mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1400mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 20
Overclockable: Overclocks like MADMAN. Once overclocked, blows the pants off the X1900GT. It can even beat the 7900GT! It may not blow the pants off the 7900GT OC'd though, as the 7900GT hits 550/1600 relatively easily...
Notes: HIGHLY suggested card! Mad overclocking and great performance! Do I smell 8600GT stepup?

Sapphire X1950PRO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $144.99 after MIR (Ends 3/28/07)
Core Speed: 580mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1400mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 12 (36 pixel shader processors)
Overclockable: Not the biggest overclocker.
Notes: Great card that does better than the 7900GT at stock.

High End Gaming (No cap)

EVGA 7950GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $184.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 550mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1400mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 24
Overclockable: 650mhz with a good aftermarket cooler.
Notes: Value-wise, this isn't the BEST option. It doesn't get too much improvement over the X1950PRO at stock.

HIS X1950XT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $199.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 650mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1800mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 16 (48 Pixel shader processors)
Overclockable: Unknown. Likely low.
Notes: Freakin' slightly superior to a X1900XTX. GREAT. BUY. BUY. BUY. On a sidenote, I've heard this has one of the best stock HSFs.

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $259.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 500mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1600mhz
Memory: 320MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 96
Overclockable: People have been seeing 600mhz cores and 1000mhz memories.
Notes: VERY nice performance. Blows the pants off anything below it.

EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $344.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 500mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1600mhz
Memory: 640MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 96
Overclockable: People have been seeing 600mhz cores and 1000mhz memories.
Notes: Not much more performance over the 320MB version, but performs better at high resolutions.

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $539.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 575mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1800mhz
Memory: 768MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 128
Overclocking: Is this really needed? 600-600mhz on the core and 1000-1100mhz on the memory with stock.
Notes: Hail to the king. No one can take you higher. Everyone says I have great balls of fire.

EVGA 768-P2-N835-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB SC HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $579.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Core Speed: 621mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 2000mhz
Memory: 768MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 128
Overclocking: Is this really needed? 600-600mhz on the core and 1000-1100mhz on the memory with stock.
Notes: Not worth the $60, personally.

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Memory


Suggested RAM Modules

DDR2-533
For the non-overclocker who loves Core 2 Duo more than his bag of chips! This is the entry level DDR2 RAM and it'll do the job for the C2D/C2Q line of chips right now. It won't, however, support FSB 1333.

Not recommended for AMD builds.

512MB

Wintec AMPO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $29.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: ?
Heat Spreader: No
Overclocking: Unknown.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: Cheap n' for the most part, reliable.

Wintec AMPX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $31.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: ?
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Decent. Low chance of reaching DDR2-667 speeds. DDR2-600 is more reasonable.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: It may not reach DDR2-667 speeds, but it is still cheap as chips.

Corsair ValueSelect
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $32.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: ?
Heat Spreader: No
Overclocking: Low.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: It's Corsair? *shrug*

pqi TURBO Cas 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $39.99
Cas Latency: 3
Voltage: 2.0V
Timings: 3-3-3-8
Heat Spreader: Yes
Overclocking: Supposedly high, according to Newegg reviews.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: Tight timings compared to the value stuff.

1GB

G. Skill Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $59.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 1.8 to 2.0V
Timings: 4-4-4-12
Heat Spreader: No.
Overclocking: Supposedly high, according to Newegg reviews. Claims of DDR2-667 speeds a 2.0v.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: Seems to be higher quality than most 1GB DDR2-533 modules at the price range.

2GB

G.Skill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $114.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 1.8-2.0V
Timings: 4-4-4-12
Heat Spreader: No.
Overclocking: Unknown, claimed to be easily OC'd.
Dual Channel: Yes. 2x1GB
Notes: For 2GB, it is a few dollars cheaper than the norm. To top it off, it has tighter timings than most things within $20 of it. When you can easily upgrade to something faster, I find it hard to suggest anything else.

DDR2-667
Got an E4300 and itching to overclock? Got a different C2D and want to get a small OC? Are you simply waiting for the nice FSB 1333 models of processors? Come on down to DDR2-667!

If you want to spend over $150, then head down to DDR2-800.

Not suggested for AMD computers.

1GB

G-Skill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $55.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: 5-5-5-15
Heat Spreader: No.
Overclocking: Unknown.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: The cheapest stuff right now.
Recommended for budget builds.

Super Talent "Value RAM"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $60.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: 5-5-5-15
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Fairly good. DDR2-800 to DDR2-900 speeds are possibilities.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: Cheap as chips and great stuff. Highly recommended for any budget build.
Recommended for budget builds.
Recommended for performance builds.
Be sure to note that it is only suggested IF you overclock and get a half-way decent set.

Wintec AMPO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $60.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: 5-5-5-15
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Most reports say DDR2-700-ish speeds. Some reports say DDR2-800 with voltage increase.
Dual Channel: No.
Notes: I wouldn't suggest it over the Super Talent, but still decent stuff.

2GB

A-Data
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N...
Price: $119.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: 5-5-5-15
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Reviews are claiming DDR2-800. One reports loose timings.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: If you want a dual-channel kit, this may be some good budget stuff.
Recommended for budget builds.


Wintec AMPO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $124.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: 5-5-5-15
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Seems to overclock to DDR2-800 relatively easily.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: Another decent budget OCer.
Recommended for budget builds.

PNY
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $130.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: ?
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: People are claiming DDR2-800 and DDR2-900 speeds with voltage increase.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: I wouldn't say DDR2-900 is your average OC, but it is possible.

DDR2-800
1GB

Patriot
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $59.99 after MIR (Ends 4/15/07)
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: ?
Heat Spreader: No.
Overclocking: Some can't OC at all. Others strike over DDR2-1000. That's right, DDR2-1000.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: Some overclock like MADMEN. Others have trouble.
Recommended for budget builds.

2GB

Corsair XMS2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $134 after MIR
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.9V
Timings: 5-5-5-12
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Some can't OC at all. Others strike over DDR2-900.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: For the price and the fact that it can overclock a little bit, it is a good buy.
Recommended for budget builds.

Wintec AMPX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $139.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8-2.0V
Timings: ?
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: People are claiming DDR2-800 and DDR2-900 speeds with voltage increase.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: Pretty cheap for "extreme" RAM. Tom's Hardware tested this RAM. At 2.0V, DDR2-850 might be achievable with 4-4-4-12. With a small voltage increase, DDR2-900 speeds at 5-5-5-15 might be possible.

Patriot Extreme Performance
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $144.99 after MIR (Ends 3/31/07)
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 2.2V
Timings: 4-4-4-12
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Variable. Some hit low, others are Micron D9.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: FORMERLY Micron D9! There MAY be some still being sent out, I'm not sure.

Geil
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $149.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 1.9-2.4V
Timings: 4-4-4
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: One review claims DDR2-1000 with lax timings.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: Not 100% sure about this RAM, but it seems nice.

G.Skill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $179.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 2.0-2.1V
Timings: 4-4-3-5
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: DDR2-1000 with 2.35v seems to be the norm.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: Tight timings. GREAT overclocks! For the price, amazing. These are Promos chips.
Recommended for performance builds.

Kingston Value RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $231.99
Cas Latency: 5
Voltage: 1.8V
Timings: 5-5-5-15
Heat Spreader: Lol. It's valueram.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: Uhm. WHAT?! WHAT IS WITH THAT PRICE?! Do NOT buy. This is a joke. :D 

G.Skill Micron D9GMH!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
Price: $199.99
Cas Latency: 4
Voltage: 2.0-2.1V
Timings: 4-4-4-12
Heat Spreader: Yes.
Overclocking: Micron D9? Micron D9.
Dual Channel: Yes.
Notes: Micron D9? Hell yes. Under $200? By one cent, yes.
Recommended for performance builds.
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Hard Drives

Storage Hard Drives
These hard drives don't give you the thrill of super fast speeds, but they are definitely great for almost every computer. Most of these drives are very similar in terms of performance but all give good ratios of GB to price.

Western Digital SE 80GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $43
Capacity: 80GB
Price per GB: $0.54
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Latency: 4.2ms
Notes: Cheap and effective.

Western Digital SE 160GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $53
Capacity: 160GB
Price per GB: $0.33
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Latency: 4.2ms
Notes: Cheap and effective.

Seagate 7200.10 250GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $70
Capacity: 250GB
Price per GB: $0.28
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.5ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Latency: 4.16ms
Notes: They like to show off their perpendicular recording, don't they? Performance-wise, they seem roughly on par with the Western Digital SEs. Note the 5-year warranty.

Western Digital SE 250GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $70
Capacity: 250GB
Price per GB: $0.28
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Latency: 4.2ms
Notes: Simply due to warranty alone, I'd suggest the Seagate over the Western Digital here.

Seagate 7200.10 320GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $85
Capacity: 320GB
Price per GB: $0.27
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.5ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Latency: 4.16ms
Notes: They like to show off their perpendicular recording, don't they? Performance-wise, they seem roughly on par with the Western Digital SEs. Note the 5-year warranty.

Samsung Spinpoint T Series 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $130
Capacity: 500GB
Price per GB: $0.26
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 63.2
Average Write Transfer Performance: 62.4
Average Latency: 4.17ms
Notes: Cheapest price per GB we've seen thus far. Once again, it seems roughly on par with the other 7200RPM drives.

Western Digital SE 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $130 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Capacity: 500GB
Price per GB: $0.26
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.9ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 64.0
Average Latency: 4.2ms
Notes: Ask yourself if you want $10 or 2 more years of warranty.

Seagate 7200.10 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $140
Capacity: 500GB
Price per GB: $0.28
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.5ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Latency: 4.16ms
Notes: They like to show off their perpendicular recording, don't they? Performance-wise, they seem roughly on par with the Western Digital SEs. Note the 5-year warranty.

Seagate 7200.10 750GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $270
Capacity: 750GB
Price per GB: $0.36
RPM: 7200
Average Seek Time: 8.5ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 63.0
Average Latency: 4.16ms
Notes: Oh snap. Look at that 750GB HD. VERY massive. Thank perpendicular recording, not me.

High Performance Hard Drives
These things have VERY fast speeds and are generally fairly reliable. I do not suggest 15k rpm drives at the moment. If you can use them, then by all means indulge on the super fast performance.

Western Digital Raptor 74GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $140 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Capacity: 74GB
Price per GB: $1.87
RPM: 10000
Average Seek Time: 4.6ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 75.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 74.7
Average Latency: 2.99ms
Notes: The Raptors give you the superb performance at a high price. Very nice and fast.

Western Digital Raptor 150GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Price: $180 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
Capacity: 150GB
Price per GB: $1.20
RPM: 10000
Average Seek Time: 4.6ms
Average Read Transfer Performance: 75.0
Average Write Transfer Performance: 74.7
Average Latency: 2.99ms
Notes: These drives have a much better price point. Twice as much storage for $40 ain't bad when it comes to performance.


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Cases

POWMAX MM3800 Beige SGCC Steel MicroATX Mini Tower Computer Case - Retail
FREE after MIR (ends 3/27/07)

It's free. Enough said.
This is the assumed case for M-ATX sub-$500 builds


Rosewill R6422-P BK Black SGCC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$15.99

Cheap mid-tower case. You may want to consider mounting another fan.
This is the assumed case for $500 builds


RAIDMAX xB ATX-528B Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$19.99

This case has 2 80mm fans.

XION Solaris XON-403 Black with Green LED Light Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$24.99 after MIR (Ends 4/2/07)

Style points and 2 80mm fans.

POWMAX CP0327PL-4 Window Black/Silver SGCC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 400W Power Supply - Retail
$29.99

Style points? You may have to mount another fan. Ditc the PSU, though.

COOLER MASTER RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$29.99 after MIR
Functional case with a 120mm fan.

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UB Black /Blue Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$44.99
Functional case with a 120mm fan and an 80mm.

XION Onyx XON-303 Black/Blue Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$44.99 after MIR (ends 4/2/07)
Another stylish case with 3 fans.

Sunbeam AC-HUVB UV Blue (UV reactive) Clear Acrylic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$52.99
No fans. You'll need to mount a few. The selling point? Super aesthetic value. Since the case is UV reactive, when it is dark out this thing will turn heads. Do your research on acrylic cases beforehand, though. They scratch easily.

NZXT Apollo BLACK NP Black SECC Steel Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$69.99
Stylish case with 2 120mm fans.

Sunbeam Transformer IC-TR-BA Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

$74.99
Nice looking case with 4 fans.

Thermaltake VC3000BWS Black Chassis : 0.8mm SECC Front bezel : Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$85.99 after MIR (ends 3/31/07)
2 120mm fans running at a low rpm so it is almost silent.

LIAN LI PC-7B plus II Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$89.99
If you don't want much bling, then Lian-Li has some great cases. This has 2 120mm fans.

XCLIO A380 Silver SECC 1.0mm thickness ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

$96.99
Full-tower case AND it looks nice. To top it off, it has 2 250mm fans. Yes, 250mm.

Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$109.99 (March Special)
Great cooling, nice look, roomy case. Highly recommended.

NZXT Zero Black/Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

$109.99 after MIR (Ends 3/31/07)
EIGHT fans that are almost silent. Great cooling, doesn't look so bad either.

Antec Performance One P180 Silver cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

$124.99
If you're not into bling, this is another great case.

COOLER MASTER Stacker 830 RC-830-SSN2-GP Silver Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail

$234.99 after MIR (Ends 3/31/07)
RUN! IT'S CASEZILLA! MONSTER CASE! Good airflow.
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Operating Systems

To be added later.
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Cooling

Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme
$(Not Released)
Supposedly the best, according to Anandtech. If this thing gets a surprising 5 degrees below the Tuniq then I say we have a new champion! Unfortunately, not released yet, but keep it in mind :D .

Tuniq Tower
$65
Sanji Pick
One of the best air cooler on the market. People have hit some nice overclocks with this. Suggested for builds with good air flow.

Scythe Infinity
$57.99
Best for cases with great front to back airflow. This cools roughly 2-3 degrees celcius below the Ninja. Arguably as good as the Tuniq Tower. Some tests show the Infinity being superior, others show the Tuniq being better, others show them being tied, others show the Ultra-X Cooler beating them all. Hard to tell.

Scythe Ninja
$39.99
Sanji Pick
Best for cases with little air flow. Good for quiet builds. Either way, a great hsf. I suggest it, especially for its price point.

Thermalright Ultra 120
$48.99
The general consensus is Tuniq > Infinity > Ninja > Ultra 120. This is still a good cooler though. Lacks a fan, if I remember correctly.

Thermaltake Sonic Tower
$40.94
RUN! IT'S HSFZILLA! Monster. It was made for fanless 0db builds. With good air cooling and a very large fan it can arguably cool as good or better than the big boys above it. Make sure it can even fit though!

Thermaltake Big Typhoon
$46.99
Good cooler. Superior to the Ninja and Infinity when it comes to giant side fans. When you have front to back airflow though, the Scythe's win out.

Noctua NH-U12
$59.95
From the tests I've seen, the Noctua may not be the cooling level of a Scythe, but it still is good.

Other coolers to come! Please suggest others as my previous cooling section in my guide was accidently deleted...
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Please leave any comments or suggestions. Got a suggestion for a section? Be sure to post it!
March 24, 2007 3:52:45 AM

Intel MBs

Cheap $48
ECS PT890 Good for the money, always in a combo at Fry's

Budget
Nothing but mATX so far, not sure to tell people those

Good $87
MSI P965 Neo-F LGA 775 Intel P965
Still very limited choices

Better $123
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965

Very good Tie Under $200
DFI LANPARTY UT ICFX3200-T2R/G LGA 775 ATI CrossFire
or
ASUS P5B Deluxe LGA 775 Intel P965
Both have some good points and few bad ones.

Best $200- $300
ASUS P5N32-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i
Just little things gave this one a slight lead.

Top Tier +$300
ABIT IN9 32X-MAX LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI
Beat out the Striker by 2 points

Hope this make some headway on your list, always room for choices
March 24, 2007 5:11:04 AM

Great work Sanji. Updated list is better and easier to understand :) 

Yes, room for improvement, but I'd simply look at this as a final draft....not quite done yet, right? ;) 


When you're completely done, I'd vote a big STICKY for it. All the way.
Related resources
March 24, 2007 4:54:47 PM

Quote:
Great work Sanji. Updated list is better and easier to understand :) 

Yes, room for improvement, but I'd simply look at this as a final draft....not quite done yet, right? ;) 


When you're completely done, I'd vote a big STICKY for it. All the way.


Yup. It's a definite work in progress. Hoping for the big sticky when I get completed :D .
March 24, 2007 8:01:51 PM

Processor section completed. Xeon 3060 will be added shortly.
March 24, 2007 10:28:44 PM

Cool.

Should swap the Centurion 5 case with the 534....much better, same price. ;) 

Good work, keep it up.
March 24, 2007 11:59:53 PM

Quote:
Intel MBs

Cheap $48
ECS PT890 Good for the money, always in a combo at Fry's

Budget
Nothing but mATX so far, not sure to tell people those

Good $87
MSI P965 Neo-F LGA 775 Intel P965
Still very limited choices

Better $123
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965

Very good Tie Under $200
DFI LANPARTY UT ICFX3200-T2R/G LGA 775 ATI CrossFire
or
ASUS P5B Deluxe LGA 775 Intel P965
Both have some good points and few bad ones.

Best $200- $300
ASUS P5N32-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i
Just little things gave this one a slight lead.

Top Tier +$300
ABIT IN9 32X-MAX LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI
Beat out the Striker by 2 points

Hope this make some headway on your list, always room for choices


I would disagree with your labels of "good, better, best". What's best for one person probably is not the best for another. It all depends on what you want to do with it. For my new system and what I want to do, the Gigabyte DS3 or MSI P965 Plat would be "top tier" and "best" respectively.

As far as other stats:
Socket: All of these are LGA 775
SLI: All of the P965 boards sort-of support SLI (they have 2 PCI-e x16 slots but one is x16 and the other is x4 or x8). All of the 680i boards support full x16 SLI.
SATA: P965 boards usually have 6-7 SATA. I believe 680i boards also usually have 6.
PATA: P965 supports 0 or 2 devices (most support 2). 680i boards support 2 (I think).
PCI-e x16: See SLI entry above
RAID: P965 boards support either none or 0/1 depending on if the south bridge is ICH8 or ICH8R. I think 680i always supports 0/1 (not positive though).

Another good Intel board is:
MSI P965 Platinum; LGA 775; Yes (x16 and x4); 7; up to 2 devices; 2; 0/1
March 25, 2007 3:08:45 AM

Here's some higher video cards. I have no overclock info so I left that off. IIt appears that 8800 series cards give # Stream Processors instead of # Pixel Pipelines.

EVGA 256-P2-N636-AR GeForce 7950GT 256MB HDCP
Price: $199.99
Core Speed: 550mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1400mhz
Memory: 256MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 24

EVGA 512-P2-N635-AR GeForce 7950GT 512MB HDCP KO
Price: $239.99
Core Speed: 560mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1450mhz
Memory: 512MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 24

EVGA 512-P2-N637-AR GeForce 7950GT 512MB KO HDCP
Price: $269.99
Core Speed: 600mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1450mhz
Memory: 512MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Pixel Pipelines: 24

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB HDCP
Price: $279.99
Core Speed: 500mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1600mhz
Memory: 320MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 96

EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB SC HDCP
Price: $319.99
Core Speed: 576mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1700mhz
Memory: 320MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 96

EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB HDCP
Price: $389.99
Core Speed: 500mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1600mhz
Memory: 640MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 96

EVGA 640-P2-N825-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB SC HDCP
Price: $409.99
Core Speed: 576mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1700mhz
Memory: 640MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 96

EVGA 640-P2-N827-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB KO HDCP
Price: $469.99
Core Speed: 580mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1700mhz
Memory: 640MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 96

EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB HDCP
Price: $539.99
Core Speed: 575mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 1800mhz
Memory: 768MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 128

EVGA 768-P2-N835-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB SC HDCP
Price: $599.99
Core Speed: 621mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 2000mhz
Memory: 768MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 128

EVGA 768-P2-N837-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB KO HDCP
Price: $649.99
Core Speed: 626mhz
Memory Clock Effective: 2000mhz
Memory: 768MB
Memory Interface: GDDR3
Stream Processors: 128
March 25, 2007 3:29:04 AM

Under cooling, you should split it into sub-sections. All of your items are CPU coolers. I'd suggest adding video coolers and case fans as other sub-sections.

I don't have anything for video cooling but I have a few case fan entries...

Scythe Minebea NMB Silent IC Series 4710KL-04W-B19-VB2
Cost: $13.99
Size: 120mm
RPM: 1100
CFM: 41.3
dBA: 18.0

Scythe Minebea NMB Silent IC Series 4710KL-04W-B19-V54
Cost: $13.99
Size: 120mm
RPM: 1600
CFM: 63.3
dBA: 27.0

Scythe Minebea NMB Silent IC Series 4710KL-04W-B29-V52
Cost: $13.99
Size: 120mm
RPM: 1900
CFM: 75.9
dBA: 31.0

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21D
Cost: $14.99
Size: 120mm
RPM: 800
CFM: 33.5
dBA: 8.7

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21E
Cost: $14.99
Size: 120mm
RPM: 1200
CFM: 49.0
dBA: 20.1

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F
Cost: $14.99
Size: 120mm
RPM: 1600
CFM: 63.7
dBA: 28.0
March 25, 2007 4:40:42 AM

Sanji,

You're guide will become even more useful, keep those guides coming.

Hopefully we get you're guide stickied so it doesn't get lost.
March 25, 2007 7:40:08 AM

I think both format are useful, one for looking at price points and one for pick part at a certain level and why. Too bad it is so much work, poor Sanji types his fingers off and the brian goes numb looking a spec sheets for hours. I only tried to do one small piece of one of his lists and near the end, I was going WGAS!
March 25, 2007 2:14:09 PM

I'd include Nexus and Noctua for case fans. I can post the specs if Sanji wants, I've already done the research. Scythe, Nexus, and Noctua are the top 3 case fans for quiet and performance.

Another category would be strictly performance. Silverstone FM-121 comes to mind.

The only thing is that case fans here in Canada are very available and cheap. I hear that the Noctua, etc are hard to find and are very expensive in the States.....kinda throws off the recommendations. I would recommend Noctua over anything else in a heartbeat....but they only cost $12 US here in Canada......as opposed to double that in the US?!?!?!!!! That effectively kills Noctua as a reasonable recommendation because of the price, even though they are the best. A shame really.....



This Guide is starting to sound like a book though Sanji.......all of us have ideas but it may end up suffering from its own success: info overload.
March 25, 2007 4:30:27 PM

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I'd include Nexus and Noctua for case fans. I can post the specs if Sanji wants, I've already done the research. Scythe, Nexus, and Noctua are the top 3 case fans for quiet and performance.


I meant to mention Noctua but forgot. Plus they aren't available from NewEgg (inconvenient). I don't think I looked at Nexus (don't think NewEgg carries those either).

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The only thing is that case fans here in Canada are very available and cheap. I hear that the Noctua, etc are hard to find and are very expensive in the States.....kinda throws off the recommendations. I would recommend Noctua over anything else in a heartbeat....but they only cost $12 US here in Canada......as opposed to double that in the US?!?!?!!!! That effectively kills Noctua as a reasonable recommendation because of the price, even though they are the best. A shame really.....


True. I was disappointed when I found out Noctua fans are harder to find and more expensive in the US. Scythe seem to be readily available and relatively cheap in the US (but I think Scythe is a US company). After looking over the stats, I may go to the trouble of tracking down some Noctua fans (if I need more/replacement fans in my new system) as they are even quieter than Scythe for the same CFM.

Which Noctua fans are you using in your P180B? That's the same case I'll probably be getting. How loud are the included case fans in the P180?
March 25, 2007 4:44:51 PM

I use the Noctua 120mm @ 1200rpm – $13
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=23330AC3243&v...

Gotta love that :) 


The stock Antec Tri-cool fans in the P180 are good.....probably not as good as the Scythe and certainly nowhere near as good as the Noctua. But the Tri-cools have lo, med, hi settings. High is very audible, not quiet at all. Medium is decent balance of cooling and noise. Low is silent but hardly pushes any air. So you'd probably keep them on medium.

With my overclocked system and my case being near the furnace vent, I had to get better airflow though, and I wanted QUIET. So I went with Noctua.....best fans I've ever had. But I got them for $13 so it wasn't a big deal.
March 25, 2007 4:54:42 PM

Thanks for all the help guys! I'll try to get an update with more CPU cooling, case fans, and finish up the video card section.

On a sidenote, I heard some good things about the Silverstone fans. :D 
March 25, 2007 5:16:55 PM

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...SLI: All of the P965 boards sort-of support SLI (they have 2 PCI-e x16 slots but one is x16 and the other is x4 or x8).
This should read: NO P965 boards support SLI!
March 25, 2007 5:32:23 PM

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...SLI: All of the P965 boards sort-of support SLI (they have 2 PCI-e x16 slots but one is x16 and the other is x4 or x8).
This should read: NO P965 boards support SLI!

Really? When doing research for my system, I found a couple of articles talking about how the P965 boards had two x16 slots but the second was only x4 or x8 pathway (depending on board) which was enough to SLI (most?) non-8800 cards but definitely not enough to handle 8800s.
March 25, 2007 5:47:40 PM

The Intel P965 chipset can be found on motherboards with one PCI-E x16 slot, or sometimes 2 PCI-E x16 slots. The primary slot always runs 16 lanes to the northbridge. If there is a secondary slot, it runs 4 lanes in. This second slot can be used by any x1 or x4 expansion card. It can also house a 2nd video card for either multiple monitor support or ATI Crossfire. It will not run NVidia SLI. NO Intel chipset will run SLI.
March 25, 2007 6:40:05 PM

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The Intel P965 chipset can be found on motherboards with one PCI-E x16 slot, or sometimes 2 PCI-E x16 slots. The primary slot always runs 16 lanes to the northbridge. If there is a secondary slot, it runs 4 lanes in. This second slot can be used by any x1 or x4 expansion card. It can also house a 2nd video card for either multiple monitor support or ATI Crossfire. It will not run NVidia SLI. NO Intel chipset will run SLI.


Thanks for the info. Bad info in the articles I suppose. No idea where they were (I've been going all over the web researching things for my new system).

Not that I personally care as I'm not planning to run SLI.
March 25, 2007 11:14:36 PM

Example:

MSI Platinum 965: 2 PCI-e slots. Run 2 cards, but not SLI. Good for 3 monitors.

MSI P6N 650i : 2 PCI-e slots. Run 2 cards in SLI, or 3 monitors in non-SLI.


;) 
March 25, 2007 11:43:29 PM

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Example:

MSI Platinum 965: 2 PCI-e slots. Run 2 cards, but not SLI. Good for 3 monitors.

MSI P6N 650i : 2 PCI-e slots. Run 2 cards in SLI, or 3 monitors in non-SLI.

;) 


Yep. I went back and reread some of the more reputable articles (Tom's, Anandtech, etc) and found it was a combination of bad info in some other articles (no idea where I found them) and bad memory on my part.

I didn't notice any of the re-read articles saying that they would not run SLI but they definitely never said P965 would either. It looks like on Tom's that the P965 boards have x4 pathways total to split between the second x16 slot and any other PCI-e slots so the MSI P965 Plat will do x4 on the second x16 slot if you disable the two x1 slots or only x2 with the x1 slots on.

One thing that seemed screwy is apparently x2 pathways are reserved for gigabit ethernet. However, it seems like these are locked on P965 boards so that if I'm not using gigabit ethernet, I'm wasting x2 pathways. :( 

BTW, what the heck are PCI-e x1 and x4 slots for anyway? I haven't seen any cards during my research that actually use these slots.
March 26, 2007 7:43:22 PM

Actually there are quite a few PCI-Ex1 cards out there.
If you wanted to buy a physics card, the PCI-Ex16 slot with x4 support would work well.
But in general, the P965 chipset is excellent for single videocard support with overclocking ability dependent upon the vendor's BIOS development.
If I wanted an SLI capable Intel socket 775 motherboard, I would choose an NVidia 680i chipset motherboard.
If I wanted a Crossfire capable motherboard, I would choose an Intel 975 chipset motherboard, with ATI chipset boards being a second option.
Since MOST people do not need or desire multiple video cards, the P965 chipset becomes the logical mainstream choice. NVidia is trying to make their 650i a good competitor in this market, but Intel makes really good chipsets, (except for the 820...).
March 27, 2007 12:44:49 AM

My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of D9!
At less than $200, no doubt!

People hitting DDR2-1000 and DDR2-1100 on a $60 module?! Yup! That's happened too!

All in my latest revision!
March 27, 2007 3:08:35 AM

I finished up the GPU section too.

Just got the Intel motherboards, Operating System, hard drives, and cooling to finish up!
March 27, 2007 6:49:00 AM

Suggestion: add some short discussions of common characteristics/pitfalls in buying certain components. For example:
1) MBs: While nVidia chipset MBs often have more features, Intel chipset boards are usually more stable, have faster and more stable drivers, and have faster and more stable hard disk performance.
2) CPU coolers: at least for socket 775 systems, the CPU cooler performs an important additional function besides cooling the CPU -- it blows air down onto the MB and out in all directions, cooling nearby components such as the PWM area. The majority of aftermarket CPU coolers do not perform this 2nd function and thus, depending on the MB design, use of such CPU coolers may require adding additional small fans around the CPU to provide this airflow.
3) CPU coolers: the Intel-designed 4-pin mounting system for socket 775 coolers is prone to being not-quite-completely secured, which can lead to abnormally high CPU temps. It's best to install such coolers *before* mounting the MB in the case, so the back of the MB can be supported while pressing the mounting pins in place. In addition, it's important before mounting to turn all 4 pins fully in the *opposite* direction of the arrows on the pins (the arrows are for *release* of the mounting system).
March 27, 2007 7:01:10 AM

You have good points, maybe they belong in a built guide, and I am not sure you made #2 clear, it really needs drawings to point out what the differences are. Very good information.

True Ballardite test: Is your turn signal on and are you wearing a hat?
March 27, 2007 9:58:22 AM

I always leave my turn signal on, even when the car is off. :wink:
March 27, 2007 10:51:32 AM

Close enuf Uff DA
March 28, 2007 2:51:24 AM

Hard drive section finished up.

Next up OS!

Then finishing the mobo section!

Then completing cooling!

Then updating every single mail in rebate and updating prices!

Then Apr 22nd Intel price drop and processor releases!

Cursed times. Stop moving so fast :D .
March 28, 2007 8:24:11 PM

Does this mean you're abandoning your previous thread with all the builds/pricepoints?
March 28, 2007 9:21:53 PM

Nice job man. :) 
March 28, 2007 11:13:00 PM

I sure hope not. There's 2 Sanji threads going on here.....Builds and Parts. Both are useful, both deserve Sticky status :) 

Keep it up man!
March 28, 2007 11:20:38 PM

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Does this mean you're abandoning your previous thread with all the builds/pricepoints?


Not quite. I can see assimilation in the future, however.
March 31, 2007 6:21:15 PM

Guide is not dead! Updates coming in the future. After the eventful fun of putting together my own rig (and almost frying my motherboard!) I am ready to fix up this guide again.
April 12, 2007 4:02:07 AM

We appreciate you doing all this work. Bumping :) 
April 22, 2007 5:42:05 AM

Time to change prices and add video cards
October 21, 2007 2:33:10 AM


I am looking to build a new system, I am interested in overclocking but unsure about it or how to do it. I would like to go as far as i can using a koolance 1100 watt liquid cooling system.

I would like to keep this under $2,000 (meaning not go over if at all possible.

This computer will be multiuse (gaming, work, video editing, image editing and audio authoring)

Games I play are Joing operations, Starwars night of the old republic, splinter cell, far cry, and others.

I usually use it at over 1152X864 or more, but no less than 1152 if possible.

I currently do not use multi monitors but I have and will plan on in the future.

I had origonally thought of using the ASUS L1N64-SLI WS Dual L (1207FX) NVIDIA nForce 680a SLI MCP SSI CEB AMD Motherboard

with

AMD Opteron 2344HE Barcelona 1.7GHz Socket F Quad Core Processor Model OS2344PAL4BGE -

However i have been told that currently the mobo does not support quad cores and may support the new AMD PHenoms due out in a few weeks. I have seen some threads for bios tweaks that may allow the current AMD Opteron 2344HE Barcelona's to work, but I am not sure. the talk of b1 and b!...any how.. with that said I think i will look at a set up like this.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Brisbane 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Black Edition Processor Model ADO5000DSWOF - Retail$129.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz Socket AM2 65W Processor Model ADO5200CZBOX - Retail$119.99

ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe Wireless Edition AM2 NVIDIA nForce 590 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail$174.99

CORSAIR 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X4096-6400C5 G - Retail $249.99

ASUS EN8600GTS/G/HTDP/256M GeForce 8600GTS 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail$169.99X2=$339.38

Thermaltake Toughpower W0133RU ATX12V / EPS12V 1200W Power Supply $379.99

Exos-2, Black [10mm, 3/8"] $244.99

CPU-330 Need $49.99

CHC-120-V06 $39.99

CHC-120-V06 $39.99

VR-AS39 $29.99

VR-AS40 $29.99

GPU-180-L06 X2 Need $31.99 X2= $63.98

RAM-30-V06 (Dual DDR/DDR2/SD) [6mm, 1/4"] Need $49.99

Shutoff Valve, 10mm Pair w/ L-Bracket Need $29.99

AeroCool XtremeTurbine-Black 120mm Case Fan - Retail $15.99 X3= $47.97

Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Swivel Angled [6mm, 1/4"] $12.99X3

Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Barb [10mm, 3/8"] $7.49X3

Tubing Splitter, Y 13/10-6mm, Quad $24.99 X3

Tubing Splitter, F 10-6mm (Metal) $10.99 X3

Universal Nozzle Body [no nozzles] $4.99 +
Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Barb [10mm, 3/8"]
$7.49 +
Nozzle Single, G 1/4" Barb [10mm, 3/8"]
$3.74 X2= $32.44

Radiator, HX-362 Single 120mm [no nozzles] $29.99 +
Fan, 120mm Blue LED
$12.99 +
Nozzle Pair, G 1/4" Swivel Angled [10mm, 3/8"] $14.99= $57.97

The biggest qusetion is on memory and CPU's.

Most of these parts are on newegg and koolance. I dont see the use of dual SLI with top of the line VGA's at the moment so i went with older models with SLI to make up for it but would consider ONE tops of the line VGA. Not sure what the benefits would be so that would be nice to look at. I dont need the newest or the best I am mostly looking for compenets that compliment each other and allow for a varied work load as I do use this machine heavily in various areas, games, and image,video,audio authering and ofcourse in data transfers.

I am not sure on the memory and what works. WHat I picked is not listed on the recomended memory for the mobo, but it seems to have worked well for others, and I currently run windows XP and am not sure when or if I will upgrade to Vista soon, so i cant see using more than 4 gigs, but if i can get 8 gis to run under xp would like to if that makes sense and is worthwhile.

This will all go into my current full tower case. As at the moment i dont see a reason to upgrade the case.
October 23, 2007 12:15:13 AM

Great idea - however prices will change and manually updating your growing database must be a pain. Stores maintain updated databased though...Maybe if we list a few good US, Canadian, and Overseas websites that people often use, individuals can price their systems/components accordingly and thus save you work.

I found that all the information anyone needs for a build is out there, and it we can link it all rather than re-writing it, it may also save time/effort. Other than my original build post in the "new computer" section, every time I wanted to know something I typed the component into the forum and I got dozens, literally dozens, of threads discussing the components. (Particularly antec 900 vs. thermaltake armor)

Not trying to crap on your efforts, but rather trying to offer constructive thoughts.

I'll help find links to all info sources too if you want (yeah I DO put my $$ where my mouth is! :) 

Other than that, man this is fantastic keep it up.
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