Ok, this will be primarily a gaming rig. I intend to overclock to 3+ghz! I've done a ton of research (THANK YOU SANJI!!) but still have a couple questions. 1. Is this EVERYTHING I need to build? There are adequate cables, etc I think even with some things being OEM...right? 2. Do I need a floppy drive for any reason (installation or build purposes?) 3. Any and all help, advice, criticism, etc is definitely appreciated. I've done weeks of research on the parts but havent read much on the actual building and installing yet, so any pointers, tips, tricks etc would be highly appreciated too. Thanks!
Very good specs, you've done your research. And yes, Sanji's Guide is becoming very extensive and helpful Well done.
I have only ONE minor comment: Take a look at the Coolermaster 534 instead. It has a rotated hard drive cage which is better for cable management and space, and has dual side vents for CPU and GPU, all for basically the same price. Definitely worth a look
Now, can I pull the trigger, buy all the components I listed and build this machine without needing ANYTHING else to build? No floppy necessary? No other cables needed, etc?
2nd the Centurion 534. 3 120mm fan mounts. Helps o/c. Front & side should be intakes. Rear & psu are exhausts. The C5 case has 1 80mm fan intake which WILL limit your o/c.
e4300 is a strange beast. It doesn't guarrante overclock. Most results I've seen are below 3.0ghz. Some chips can go over 3.0ghz. There seems to be a fsb hole in the cpu, if there's one. Here are the limiting factors:
mobo, cpu, ram, cpu heat (hsf), chipset heat, ram heat
For your setup, mobo - check, cpu - check, ram - maybe, ram/chipset heat - not looking good.
No floppy drive needed unless maybe you're doing a RAID. No other cables needed, mobo should come with everything you need.
Yea, from what people tell me that I've been helping to overclock, the 4300 seems to do quite well up to about 2.8ghz....minimal voltage tweaks, etc. Then when it get around 3.0 it seems to need large voltage increases and you have to push it hard. I generally recommend people stay around the 2.8ghz....which is still a great overclock. Less volts, less heat, less stress. Not worth the couple hundred extra mhz in my opinion. Just keep it in mind........
Ok, maybe I should look into getting some different ram with a heat spreader for a safer/ more stable overclock? I can't spend any more money though. Comments, suggestions?
How about this for memory instead? 5-5-5-15 with a heat spreader, only $2 more than the kingston
RAM (x2) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231126 G.SKILL 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop Memory - Retail
No floppy drive needed unless maybe you're doing a RAID.
Why did you say floppy drive are needed for Raid... I'm in the process myself to build my rig right now and it's the first time I heard that. Can you explain.
Depending on your setup, SOMETIMES a floppy disk is needed for RAID.
I'm not extremely familiar with all the details because I decided not to do RAID for my current setup. And my old system was setup differently. It might be a bit different now for setup.
AMD still has very good marketshare, especially in the OEM market, and with their new deal with Dell.
People seem to think the "enthusiast" market is huge. It isn't. Sorry to break it to everyone here, but we are a VERY, VERY, VERY small piece of AMD's pie in terms of sales and profit.
Hopefully this will be a kick in the pants to AMD to smarten up. Why should we encourage them in their laziness and/or poor technology moves? We tell them Do Better or lose marketshare and profit. That's the nature of the market system. So they improve if they want to hang around and make money. And trust me, they want to make money, so they'll have to get better.
AMD got spanked on this round with Intel. Fine. So here's to hoping they come back and win the next round.....which benefits us, the consumers. But if they have no reason to catch up, then they won't bother. They need a bit of a wake up call, after resting on their past laurels. Back and forth and we win. So they may be down, but they're far from out.
Ok I have edited my list, changed to the Centurion 534 case and the G. Skill memory instead of the Kingston. Does everything look good for me now? I'm going to do some homework right now- check for compatibility issues, etc. Any last comments or suggestions before I place my order tomorrow? This is my first build so I am probably overly cautious before I order...thanks for any help or suggestions before I order tomorrow!
SuperTalent is $190 currently. Corsair is $139 after rebate. A few more bucks
HOWEVER, prices change constantly Sanji, we all know this. So really it's not fair to you or your Guide to get hung up on exact dollars, since that'll change faster than you can update your Guide. However, overall I think you've certainly got the right idea. People can add up the dollars and cents, but the concepts and guidance is sound. The details might change slightly but no biggie.
SuperTalent is $190 currently. Corsair is $139 after rebate. A few more bucks
HOWEVER, prices change constantly Sanji, we all know this. So really it's not fair to you or your Guide to get hung up on exact dollars, since that'll change faster than you can update your Guide. However, overall I think you've certainly got the right idea. People can add up the dollars and cents, but the concepts and guidance is sound. The details might change slightly but no biggie.
ah, sorry if I made it look like I was talking about the high end super awesome latency Super Talents.
Super Talent as a DDR2-667 budget RAM on the market and it is roughly $61 a GB. Is is pretty decent stuff that occasionally overclocks to DDr2-900 speeds.
Yeah from what I read I should be able to get it close to 800 speeds with a little work, and more importantly its listed as compatible with the Gigabyte DS3. I see the C2D mobos were a bit finicky with the RAM
go with the aajs model for the 160 gig wd hdd. its only a dollar more and is a single platter design. the benefits of which is longer lifespan and it is also quieter and runs cooler.
Too late Brick88, I just placed my order. Ah well. I eventually want to do a raid 0 setup with this anyway, just not at first with this being my first build. Now I can read read read about building this beast for a few days while I wait for my rig to be shipped I do know I'm not overclocking a thing until I get it running and stable then I'll overclock.
I hope I'm not biting off more than I can chew, deciding to build AND overclock for the first time with this rig!
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