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Please critique my $1100 gaming build! (my first build also)

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March 24, 2007 4:05:21 AM

Ok, this will be primarily a gaming rig. I intend to overclock to 3+ghz! I've done a ton of research (THANK YOU SANJI!!) but still have a couple questions. 1. Is this EVERYTHING I need to build? There are adequate cables, etc I think even with some things being OEM...right? 2. Do I need a floppy drive for any reason (installation or build purposes?) 3. Any and all help, advice, criticism, etc is definitely appreciated. I've done weeks of research on the parts but havent read much on the actual building and installing yet, so any pointers, tips, tricks etc would be highly appreciated too. Thanks!

Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-KKN2-GP Black Aluminum & Mesh bezel / SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

Mobo

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Newegg.com - GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail

RAM (X2)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SUPER TALENT 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Desktop Memory - Retail

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Newegg.com - Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail

GPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Newegg.com - EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail

Soundcard- I own an Audigy 2 ZS that I will be using

HD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Newegg.com - Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb-s Hard Drive - OEM

DVD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
Newegg.com - SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X C

PSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
Newegg.com - Antec True Power Trio TP3-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TÜV, CE, C-t

CPU cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...
Newegg.com - Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail

OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Newegg.com - Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition with SP2 - Retail

Thermal compound
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Newegg.com - Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM

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March 24, 2007 5:08:01 AM

Very good specs, you've done your research. And yes, Sanji's Guide is becoming very extensive and helpful ;)  Well done.

I have only ONE minor comment: Take a look at the Coolermaster 534 instead. It has a rotated hard drive cage which is better for cable management and space, and has dual side vents for CPU and GPU, all for basically the same price. Definitely worth a look ;) 

Other than that, great specs, good for you!
March 24, 2007 12:01:48 PM

Ok I do like that case, thank you Skyguy.

Now, can I pull the trigger, buy all the components I listed and build this machine without needing ANYTHING else to build? No floppy necessary? No other cables needed, etc?
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March 24, 2007 12:03:33 PM

2nd the Centurion 534. 3 120mm fan mounts. Helps o/c. Front & side should be intakes. Rear & psu are exhausts. The C5 case has 1 80mm fan intake which WILL limit your o/c.

e4300 is a strange beast. It doesn't guarrante overclock. Most results I've seen are below 3.0ghz. Some chips can go over 3.0ghz. There seems to be a fsb hole in the cpu, if there's one. Here are the limiting factors:

mobo, cpu, ram, cpu heat (hsf), chipset heat, ram heat

For your setup, mobo - check, cpu - check, ram - maybe, ram/chipset heat - not looking good.

You can try.
March 24, 2007 12:22:12 PM

No floppy drive needed unless maybe you're doing a RAID. No other cables needed, mobo should come with everything you need.

Yea, from what people tell me that I've been helping to overclock, the 4300 seems to do quite well up to about 2.8ghz....minimal voltage tweaks, etc. Then when it get around 3.0 it seems to need large voltage increases and you have to push it hard. I generally recommend people stay around the 2.8ghz....which is still a great overclock. Less volts, less heat, less stress. Not worth the couple hundred extra mhz in my opinion. Just keep it in mind........

Now, go ahead.....Pull the trigger. ;) 
March 24, 2007 4:46:28 PM

Ok, maybe I should look into getting some different ram with a heat spreader for a safer/ more stable overclock? I can't spend any more money though. Comments, suggestions?
March 24, 2007 5:00:18 PM

That'll work. Won't be a HUGE overclock, but it'll do fine for the 4300 as long as you don't plan on pushing it really high.
March 24, 2007 5:06:14 PM

I have that RAM, except the 533 version. It's great.
March 24, 2007 5:30:59 PM

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No floppy drive needed unless maybe you're doing a RAID.

Why did you say floppy drive are needed for Raid... I'm in the process myself to build my rig right now and it's the first time I heard that. Can you explain.

Sorry but english is not my first language.
March 24, 2007 7:10:07 PM

Depending on your setup, SOMETIMES a floppy disk is needed for RAID.

I'm not extremely familiar with all the details because I decided not to do RAID for my current setup. And my old system was setup differently. It might be a bit different now for setup.
March 24, 2007 8:13:57 PM

Go with a AMD system unless you don't mind paying $800+ for a Intel processor in 4 years years time when you build your next computer.

People now a days can't see 2 feet past there actions. Ignorance is killing this world.

Like people shopping at walmart for a something that costs a few cents less, but is destroys the economy around them.
March 24, 2007 10:34:06 PM

AMD still has very good marketshare, especially in the OEM market, and with their new deal with Dell.

People seem to think the "enthusiast" market is huge. It isn't. Sorry to break it to everyone here, but we are a VERY, VERY, VERY small piece of AMD's pie in terms of sales and profit.

Hopefully this will be a kick in the pants to AMD to smarten up. Why should we encourage them in their laziness and/or poor technology moves? We tell them Do Better or lose marketshare and profit. That's the nature of the market system. So they improve if they want to hang around and make money. And trust me, they want to make money, so they'll have to get better.

AMD got spanked on this round with Intel. Fine. So here's to hoping they come back and win the next round.....which benefits us, the consumers. But if they have no reason to catch up, then they won't bother. They need a bit of a wake up call, after resting on their past laurels. Back and forth and we win. So they may be down, but they're far from out.
March 25, 2007 2:59:04 AM

qwazzy you have what ram, the G. Skill or the Kingston?
March 25, 2007 4:17:26 AM

Ok I have edited my list, changed to the Centurion 534 case and the G. Skill memory instead of the Kingston. Does everything look good for me now? I'm going to do some homework right now- check for compatibility issues, etc. Any last comments or suggestions before I place my order tomorrow? This is my first build so I am probably overly cautious before I order...thanks for any help or suggestions before I order tomorrow!
March 25, 2007 5:10:36 AM

Edited again, I decided on the Super Talent memory after reading good reviews of overclocking ability. Thank you Sanji!
March 25, 2007 7:31:46 AM

Looks like a good system list. First upgrade might be a added hard drive, some people do not use much so only you will know.
March 25, 2007 2:03:14 PM

That SuperTalent stuff is great......a bit more money, but definitely a good choice there.

And.....much better to be cautious than careless ;)  I commend you for being thorough, good work!
March 25, 2007 7:49:17 PM

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That SuperTalent stuff is great......a bit more money, but definitely a good choice there.

And.....much better to be cautious than careless ;)  I commend you for being thorough, good work!


What do you mean a bit more money? Do you mean $2 over the cheapest thing on Newegg? :D 
March 25, 2007 11:20:17 PM

SuperTalent is $190 currently. Corsair is $139 after rebate. A few more bucks ;) 

HOWEVER, prices change constantly Sanji, we all know this. So really it's not fair to you or your Guide to get hung up on exact dollars, since that'll change faster than you can update your Guide. However, overall I think you've certainly got the right idea. People can add up the dollars and cents, but the concepts and guidance is sound. The details might change slightly but no biggie.
March 26, 2007 12:51:11 AM

Quote:
SuperTalent is $190 currently. Corsair is $139 after rebate. A few more bucks ;) 

HOWEVER, prices change constantly Sanji, we all know this. So really it's not fair to you or your Guide to get hung up on exact dollars, since that'll change faster than you can update your Guide. However, overall I think you've certainly got the right idea. People can add up the dollars and cents, but the concepts and guidance is sound. The details might change slightly but no biggie.


ah, sorry if I made it look like I was talking about the high end super awesome latency Super Talents.

Super Talent as a DDR2-667 budget RAM on the market and it is roughly $61 a GB. Is is pretty decent stuff that occasionally overclocks to DDr2-900 speeds.
March 26, 2007 12:56:08 AM

Yeah from what I read I should be able to get it close to 800 speeds with a little work, and more importantly its listed as compatible with the Gigabyte DS3. I see the C2D mobos were a bit finicky with the RAM
March 26, 2007 1:12:35 AM

go with the aajs model for the 160 gig wd hdd. its only a dollar more and is a single platter design. the benefits of which is longer lifespan and it is also quieter and runs cooler.
March 26, 2007 1:35:22 AM

Too late Brick88, I just placed my order. Ah well. I eventually want to do a raid 0 setup with this anyway, just not at first with this being my first build. Now I can read read read about building this beast for a few days while I wait for my rig to be shipped :)  I do know I'm not overclocking a thing until I get it running and stable then I'll overclock.

I hope I'm not biting off more than I can chew, deciding to build AND overclock for the first time with this rig!
March 26, 2007 1:59:36 AM

haha aww well. good luck with the build in any case. post back with the results.
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