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March 25, 2007 5:16:35 AM

Hello. I want to build a nice system but $$ is an issue. I am going to get everything from newegg unless I see a great deal somewhere else. What I have so far is this. It will be mostly used for video encoding, internet, watching movies, etc. Not so much for games but I want to keep the option there.I am considering overclocking but I haven't looked into it enough to know the risks of doing it. Thanks in advance for all help and advice. :) 

Motherboard
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $209.99

CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail - $313.00

Video Card Not sure considering this one?
EVGA 320-P2-N815-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail

Memory Not sure? if possible I would like to spend less without loss of performance\ overclockability.
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail - $209.99

Hard Drives - considering
(2) HITACHI Deskstar T7K250 HDT722516DLA380 (0A31637) 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

Case - considering
RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WBP Black SECC STEEL ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail - $89.99

PSU
Not sure? if I get the above case it comes with a PSU but i know it's probably cheap and not sure if it's enough. I may replace it if it's affordable.

CPU Cooling for overclocking
Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail - $39.99

DVD Burner
SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+\-R Sata - $39.99

Arctic Silver 5 - $5.99

Now I am looking for any way I can to save some money but I don't want to lose performance if possible any suggestions? I didn't really want to go over $1100 not counting LCD but I believe I am over $1300. Thanks in advance.

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March 25, 2007 7:27:48 AM

Welcome otis!

Let me go through your list. All nice parts, except PSU.

You can find a good motherboard for $100-$150. The WI-FI has lots of bells and whistles you probably don't need.
You can drop a level on the CPU and not noctice it too much. e6300 or e6400, with mild o/c will match the e660 on speed, but you do lose the extra cache.
The card is way overkill, it is for hardcore gamers, get a 7900 or x1950 and save $100.
Ram good, HDs get one bigger drive like the Seagate 320.
Case ok, but the PSU....Tier 5, lowest rated models and NOT Recommended
Antec or Fotron make decent tier 3 PSUs.
Rest of parts are good choices, won't go wrong with those.
I know others will add their own picks but after 3-4 lists you will see [attern of where to put your money
March 25, 2007 6:11:37 PM

Slightly editted from my guide

E4300 OC Build #2
Aim: Strong gaming performance. Super fast processor.

This Intel build is based upon the E4300 and its ability have a cheap overclock. It is merely an upgraded version of the last build.

Why the E4300 again and not the E6300/E6400/E6600? The E6400 and E6300 hvae become Allendale's, and their OC has been impaired. The E6600 is available if you use the X1950Pro instead of the 8800GTS.

Case: (variable, check Case Selection.)
$45
For build purposes, $45 (Centurion 5) is the assumed price. Price may fluctuate depending on case.

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$313
One of the best C2D overclockers with a whole 4GB of cache.

Mobo:GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
$117.99
Proven overclocker. Great stuff, upgrade path to Quad-Core. The D stands for durable.

RAM: Patriot eXtreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC22G6400LLK - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1682...
$154.99 after MIR
Great overclocking RAM. Should be able to top out the E6600.

SAPPHIRE 100176L Radeon X1950PRO 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 H... Video is the suggested GPU for a E6600 build. The price $144.99 is current.
Please see the Graphic Card Suggestions for other suggested cards.

HD: Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$52.99
Reasonable sized HD.

DVD: SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write E-IDE/ATAPI - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
$30.99
DVD burner. Generic.

PSU: Antec True Power Trio TP3-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TÜV, CE, C-tick, CCC, CB - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
$99.99
Great PSU for the price.

CPU Cooling: Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm CPU Cooling Fan - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1683...
$39.99

Total: About $970

You can throw in another HD and still be $80 under budget.

Suggested Upgrades (For What Seems To Be Your Needs):
SATA DVD Drive +$10
X1950XT +$55
Another 160GB HD +$53
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Total: $1088

Believe me, you NEED a good power supply. Using that one with the case is gambling your entire investment.
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March 26, 2007 12:14:44 AM

Motherboard: You are already spending around $200 for a motherboard, spend a few extra bucks and get the eVGA 680i motherboard. The earlier models reatil for around $218 or so.

CPU: this is where you can save some money. Get the E6400 instead. It is so incredibly easy to overclock that even a n00b (no offense, not implying that you are one) can do it. And even though the E6600 has a 4MB cache, you really don't need it bad enough to spend $100 for what you plan to do.

Video Card: Great choice.

Memory: OCZ and G.Skill are excellent manufacturers. DDR2 800 with decent timings that leave some headroom will be the best for OCing unless you want to spend a lot more money on DDR2 900 and above.

Hard Drives: Seagate Barracuda 16MB 250GB Perpendicular Recording.

Case: Looks good.

Power Supply: Go for the Corsair 520W PSU.

CPU Cooling: How about the Scythe Infinity?

DVD Burner: Looks good.

Masscool Shin-Etsu is the best thermal paste for air cooling.
March 26, 2007 12:18:34 AM

Thank you both for all your help. I really appreciate it. :)  Okay I have updated my list to the following.

Motherboard- I really like this board. It's much better than the gigabyte right?
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP LGA 775 Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $209.99

CPU -
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail - $313.00

Video Card- which would be better ?
SAPPHIRE 100186L Radeon X1950XT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 VIVO HDCP Video Card - Retail - 219.99 - 20 MIR= $199.99
or
SAPPHIRE 100196L Radeon X1950PRO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail - $199.99

Memory-
Patriot eXtreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail - $214.99 -$10 instant - $50 MIR= $154.99

Hard Drives -
2 X Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM - $105.98

Case- Do you think one of these would be better than the raidmax case I started with?
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UB Black /Blue Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail - $44.99
or
XION Stacker XON-791B Black Steel Chassis with Aluminum Front Door ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail - $89.99 - $10 instant - $30 MIR = $49.99

PSU -
Antec True Power Trio TP3-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails 100 - 240 V UL, CUL, FCC, TÜV, CE, C-tick, CCC, CB - Retail- $99.99

CPU Cooling for overclocking-
Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail - $39.99

DVD Burner + DVD Drive-
SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+\-R Sata - $39.99
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model SHD-16S1S-05 - OEM - $19.99

MASSCOOL G751 Shin-Etsu Thermal Interface Material - Retail - $4.99

Total = About $1200

I keep trying to bring the price down but I keep thinking I would be better off with the parts I have chose already. It's kind of frustrating. I wonder how much a system like this would cost if I paid for it at a store? I am really concerned with cooling. Do you think my system will stay cool after overclocking it pretty good? Also with overclocking how safe is it? I haven't looked into it yet so I don't know the risks. Thanks again for helping me. Sorry Proof didn't catch your post while I was doing this I will need a few minutes to look it over.
March 26, 2007 12:43:22 AM

what would be better going with the 680 i or keeping the ASUS P5W DH DELUXE and overclocking?
March 26, 2007 12:53:51 AM

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what would be better going with the 680 i or keeping the ASUS P5W DH DELUXE and overclocking?


Getting the 680i and overclocking. ;) 

If you do not plan to use SLI or some of the other 680i bells-and-whistles, you could probably save ~$100 and buy the Gigabyte DS3 (P965 chipset) motherboard.
March 26, 2007 12:56:23 AM

but isn't the ASUS P5W DH DELUXE a better board than the DS3
March 26, 2007 12:57:33 AM

It is, but we are talking about the eVGA 680i LGA775 motherboards, not Gigabyte. The eVGA is a much better overclocker than the ASUS.
March 26, 2007 1:53:07 AM

is it worth it to go with this for the extra $50.

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard 249.99. This is a much better board than the asus? I would also have to get a different memory right?
March 26, 2007 2:09:26 AM

You could use the same memory.

If you would want to get different memory, I have no idea.
March 26, 2007 2:38:07 AM

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is it worth it to go with this for the extra $50.

EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard 249.99. This is a much better board than the asus? I would also have to get a different memory right?


The eVGA A1 680i is one of the best overclocking boards available. I have used ASUS for many years and I am 110% happy with their products. eVGA just happen to do something right with their boards and they are incredible. It is well worth the $50. No, the memory is fine.
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