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killz86   03-27-2007 at 12:58:15 PM

Hello All,


I was going to buy a new system but something came up Here are my current POS

P4 1.5/256/400 Skt 478
512mb Pc133
40gb HDD
Dvd-Rw
ATI 9600XT


Ok i gave in and got my system it will be here tuesday. I did not want to sign up for a 60 day payment plan but i did i could not stand my p4 1.5ghz any more. So here is my new spec's :D :D

Here is what i got

Motherboard: BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 550 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $78.99

Cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Processor - OEM $69.00

Cpu Cooling: ARCTIC COOLING ALPINE64 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail $9.99

Memory: A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $159.00

HardDrive: Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $52.99

Video Card: SAPPHIRE 100189L Radeon X1900GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 VIVO HDCP Video Card - Retail $129.99

Drive: LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 2MB Cache IDE Combo - Retail $23.99

Case: Rosewill R5717-P SL 120mm Fan ATX Mid Tower Computer Case withTool-Free kits - Retail $39.99

Psu: Rosewill Stallion Series RD450-2-DB ATX V2.2 450W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, CSA, TUV, FCC - Retail $41.99

The cpu/mobo combo Discount $14.00 and $$10 Mail-in-rebate
The Psu/Case combo Discount $$28.00
The Memory Discount $30.00

Total with out Shipping $550.66
Total with shipping $583.13

I think i did good choice's on my part. i did give in to Amd. because The Price was Right. :lol:

But this should last me for a year or 2 or longer. i hope. Please let me know what you all think and thanks for your help

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killz86   03-27-2007 at 01:05:49 PM
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i know i need a new mobo i have the ram already

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killz86   03-27-2007 at 01:11:32 PM
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i have pc4200 512mb. i just want something to run cnc3 good. i mean i dont need all the power, I won't use it. so i dont wanna spend i bunch of money on something i wont notice a differnce in. i mean even games my computer does good i just want to get something new. it does not have to be the best, but i want something to run good. like a p4 i wish i knew if a celeron 512k would run cnc3 good. because if it did i would go that way and get other stick of 512mb and have a 1gb total

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m25   03-27-2007 at 04:42:21 PM
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If that is the case then I really think you should wait till the Intel price cuts take effect. Then you can get a nice low end core 2 with a decent upgrade path on the cheap with the asrock board and core 2 I mentioned earlier. :D


What if he gets a X2 3600+ and board combo like you did?! Should be OK.

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killz86   03-27-2007 at 07:40:18 PM
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we'll i kinda like intel p4 the 65nm they are good for game's i used a p4 3/1mb/800 HT skt 478 and it was prescott. see the only reason i would go Dual-Core is if CNC3 used the 2 core's then i would do it. i want to have a nice smooth run's of CNC3 :D i should look that up i think i wll :lol:

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meljor   03-27-2007 at 08:21:28 PM
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if I were you I would get: the cheapest am2 board I could find, the cheapest sempron or athlon I could find and an extra 512mb. the money you have left you could sell your graphics card and get an used 6600GT or 6800GT AGP. that way you have the best overall gaming boost because you can`t expect any decent performance from a 9600xt anymore in recent games.

ANY athlon or sempron can keep up with the p4 3ghz (in gaming). maybe the sempron with a slight overclock, but it won`t be to far off. and they are even cheaper than the p4!

your own p4 cpu with more ram and a decent agp card will be even much faster than a 3ghz cpu and your 9600xt..... in games ofcourse.

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killz86   03-27-2007 at 08:31:19 PM
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i need to know if cnc3 use's 2 core's i have been looking around and cant find anything -.- unless i am looking in the wrong place's. but i would like to know because if so i will get a dual-core when they drop in price

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rwpritchett   03-27-2007 at 09:12:39 PM
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if I were you I would get: the cheapest am2 board I could find, the cheapest sempron or athlon I could find and an extra 512mb. the money you have left you could sell your graphics card and get an used 6600GT or 6800GT AGP. that way you have the best overall gaming boost because you can`t expect any decent performance from a 9600xt anymore in recent games.

ANY athlon or sempron can keep up with the p4 3ghz (in gaming). maybe the sempron with a slight overclock, but it won`t be to far off. and they are even cheaper than the p4!

your own p4 cpu with more ram and a decent agp card will be even much faster than a 3ghz cpu and your 9600xt..... in games ofcourse.



For this budget, I agree. If you really want to stick to AGP for now, here's some options:

WINTEC AMPO 512MB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 533 (PC2 4200) Desktop Memory Model 3AMD2533-512M2-R - Retail $30
MSI K9MM-V Socket AM2 VIA K8M800 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $47
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Orleans 2.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADA3200CWBOX - Retail $75

That's $152 before shipping. It gives you 1GB total PC2-4200 and AGP so you can keep your existing card. You can "upgrade" to a higher level AGP card (7600GT, 7800GS) if you need to at a later time. You can also upgrade to a faster dual core AM2 and PC2-6400 later on as well, but then you may as well build a whole new system by then.

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killz86   03-27-2007 at 09:20:54 PM
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now does RTS games go off of how much Cache is on the cpu or what? because i dont know. i am d/ling cnc3 it plays on my p4 1.5 just fine. but i need to know what RTS games run off the most

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TStedel   03-27-2007 at 09:34:15 PM
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cnc3 will be heavily gpu oriented. I would go so far as to say that a processor change would barely help at all. I've never seen a game bottlenecked by the cpu, and I had a 7900 gt ko with and athlon 3000+.

I've used world of warcraft with my 7900, and I underclocked the cpu(E6600) to 720 mhz, and still got over 50 fps :( (70-80 normally)

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killz86   03-27-2007 at 10:48:51 PM
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all i can say is 8O 8O 8O 8O 8O thats crazy so if i got a celeron with 512k for very cheap or even a celeron with 256k like the one for $36 on newegg i would be good i mean i just play cnc3. i can always get a better video card but the 9600xt does good for now until. it die's then it will be pci-express time

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m25   03-28-2007 at 02:41:48 PM
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we'll i kinda like intel p4 the 65nm they are good for game's i used a p4 3/1mb/800 HT skt 478 and it was prescott. see the only reason i would go Dual-Core is if CNC3 used the 2 core's then i would do it. i want to have a nice smooth run's of CNC3 :D i should look that up i think i wll :lol:


Do you know what you are talking about; a 3.0G prescott will be slaughtered in gaming, even by an Athlon 3000+. This is from my experience and what the CPU charts say:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_ [...] model2=222
Now, what I propose is not any kind of future proof upgrade but since you want to keep your RAM and AGP card and S754 prices are dirt cheap:
Athlon64 3200+ (2.2GHz) for $46
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103035
and BIOSTAR K8NHA Grand Socket 754 NVIDIA nForce3 for $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813138240
With these, you will be able to squeeze the other hardware you have for only $90, even because, this Venice A64 will be able to clock at least to 2.6GHz and there no CeleronD, not even @ 4.5GHz can reach. It's FX-55 levels and not even a 3.73GHz P4 can cope with it:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_ [...] model2=239

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jamesgoddard   03-28-2007 at 03:43:47 PM
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i have pc4200 512mb.



Did you recently get this, is it a single stick, are you able to get another identical stick of memory so you have 1GB? Also, this is DDR2 yes?

Whatever you do, get either an Intel socket 775 motherboard that is compatable with Core 2, or an AMD socket AM2 motherboard. This way you have a motherboard you can drop in a faster CPU at some time in the future. Ignore the Celeron D's now, the P4 6xx CPU's cost no more and are better, or wait a month for the Core 2 price drop and get one of them.

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killz86   03-28-2007 at 05:57:51 PM
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we'll its 256x2 dual channel pc4200 i got to for free for doing some work on my grandfather computer :D so yeah but see if i use a p4 6xx series on cnc3 and use my readon until the new dx10 card's come out i should be ok. i dont need tons of power i will never use. i mean if the game is not based off of the cpu then i will just get a cheap cpu and mobo and new pci-e card

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killz86   03-28-2007 at 06:00:06 PM
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yes. but see i want something in socket 775 not 939 or 754 for that matter aleast with a 775 socket board i can get a board that will run v2d in the future.
Beachmarks mean nothing to me. it shows what it is good at and what it is not good at. if cnc3 does not go off the cpu i will jsut get a p4 or celeron until i want a c2d

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jamesgoddard   03-28-2007 at 10:12:35 PM
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This is probably your best bet then... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157107

It can take C2D CPU's, can take either DDR or DDR2 memory (but only 2 slots) and take take either AGP or PCI express. The other thing to note is the PCI express slot only works at 4x speed, but this only becomes an issue with very high end graphics cards.

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m25   03-28-2007 at 11:43:21 PM
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yes. but see i want something in socket 775 not 939 or 754 for that matter aleast with a 775 socket board i can get a board that will run v2d in the future.
Beachmarks mean nothing to me. it shows what it is good at and what it is not good at. if cnc3 does not go off the cpu i will jsut get a p4 or celeron until i want a c2d


Then you need to build a totally new PC; no reason to spend anything on what you've got, really.

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I_Love_Tacos   03-29-2007 at 01:23:08 AM
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I seriously recommend an athlon 64 over any p4, especially the x2 over the netburst cpus, far better, as Mrs.Bytch said, the x2 3600 is an excellent starting point, but you'll need a 939 cpu to use ddr ram, I suggest going with either an opteron 165 or 170, they are a bit expensive compared to regular dual cores, but the opteron's are the best of the crop, oc best, and last the longest. Or if you can wait, go for the 4300 after April 22, when it drops to a mere $100 (also wait until at least April 9th, amd price cut then)

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killz86   03-29-2007 at 02:52:47 PM
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wow that is cheap 8O 8O maybe i will get that then.sense its only like about 10 more over the p4 cedar mill deal

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killz86   03-29-2007 at 02:54:12 PM
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we'll i wonder when they dropped that. one i was looking but it went down $10. but for $79 you cant beat that Sh*t but i think you are i should wait until april 9th or so. but i got to think about it

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