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March 28, 2007 8:56:58 PM

***Big Question Now: Will this all work. I will be hooking this up to a hdtv hopefully. Uses: Normal stuff (text editing and web browsing) and possibly some gaming in the future. (Interested in Spore.)***

Also, I think I know what to do, but what are the best guides to putting it all together on the internet?

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Any reason not to switch to the antec 900 for the case?

Thanks for all the responses!

----parts---------------

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-SKN2-GP Black / Silver Aluminum & Mesh bezel / SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Floppy: MITSUMI Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal USB 2.0 digital card reader with Floppy Drive Model FA404M BLK - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CD/DVD: SAMSUNG Black 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner With LightScribe Technology - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard: SpecResearch 01027 Black 86 Normal Keys 13 Function Keys USB RF Wireless Mini Keyboard with Optical Trackball Mouse Included - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Wifi: EDIMAX EW-7128G IEEE 802.11b/g PCI Wireless Card up to 54Mbps Data Rates 64/128-Bit WEP, 802.1x, WPA, AES - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card: EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...

Power Supply: COOLMAX CUG-700B ATX 12V( V.2.2) 700W Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thanks!

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a b B Homebuilt system
March 28, 2007 9:08:55 PM

Video Card:X1900

Motherboard: P5NSLI.

Everything else looks good. BTW what is this PC going to be mainly used for ?
March 28, 2007 9:11:58 PM

Thanks for the suggestions, I will look into those, when I get a chance.

It will mostly be for standard tasks (text documents, web), and possibly some gaming in the future.

What are the differences (other than they take up two slots) of 2x1GB vs. 1x2GB?
March 28, 2007 10:29:31 PM

Are you overclocking? If not, you might as well use the stock cooler and drop the Thermaltake.

Go with 2x1GB and don't bother with DDR2-800 unless overclocking. Check out this A-Data DDR2-667 2x1GB for $110!

You mentioned this would be a media PC. The Seagate 7200.10 400GB does not have the best price per GB. Your options in this range would probably be the 250GB, 320GB, 400GB, and 500GB models. After formatting and binary math, you end up with 7% less than the stated capacity. And at newegg's prices we see:

250 --- $75 / 232.5GB = 32.3 cents/GB
320 --- $85 / 298GB = 28.5 cents/GB
400 --- $120 / 372GB = 32.3 cents/GB
500 --- $145 / 465GB = 31.1 cents/GB

The 320GB beats out the 400GB.
Compared to the 400, buy one 320: Save $35 and lose only 74 GB
Compared to the 400, buy two 320's: Pay an additional $50 but gain 224GB!

Also, there are better cases in the $50 range. Check out the Coolermaster Centurion 534 - $40 after rebate. There is also a version with an all-black front, but it doesn't have the rebate.
March 28, 2007 11:03:58 PM

As suggested, get rid of the Thermaltake CPU cooler and use the OEM Intel one.
March 28, 2007 11:27:14 PM

Thanks for all the responses!

I looked at a review of the video card suggested above. It looks great, but I noticed that the review was from a while ago. Is there a newer version, or is this still a recent card as video cards go?

Thanks for the info about the RAM, I think I will change that.

Thanks for the case suggestion, again I will look into that when I get a chance.

I read some reviews on newegg about the cpu stock fan being very loud. Do you know it really is loud or if it will be fine.

About the motherboard, I have not yet found a review of it, but when I clicked on the link, I noticed that it had an unusual number of bad reviews of defective motherboards and such.

Thanks so much!
March 28, 2007 11:33:15 PM

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I read some reviews on newegg about the cpu stock fan being very loud. Do you know it really is loud or if it will be fine.

It's free, and it helps cool your northbridge and PWM circuitry, which most aftermarket fans don't do. Why not give it a try?
March 28, 2007 11:43:41 PM

Fair point. I guess I will give it a try.

A closer look at the reviews of the motherboard make like it even less. Multiple reviews say that it ships with an outdated bios that does not support core 2 duo and you have to ask the company to send you a new one.
a b B Homebuilt system
March 29, 2007 12:02:17 AM

For a PSU I'd like to suggest a Seasonic. They're noted as being the quietest around and they are very reliable.
a b B Homebuilt system
March 29, 2007 12:58:30 AM

lol. Thats why you have a built in BIOS flash utility. Press Alt+F12.
March 29, 2007 8:27:16 PM

I am not sure what you mean by this, but what I thought (correct me if I am wrong) was that the bios that is preloaded was an outdated version that did not support core 2 duo and so you can't boot it up to update the bios.
March 29, 2007 8:52:58 PM

Quote:
... Multiple reviews say that it ships with an outdated bios that does not support core 2 duo and you have to ask the company to send you a new one.

Since those reviews are MANY months old, I'm sure that situation was fixed last year.
March 29, 2007 9:31:49 PM

Ok. Your right I did't look at the date on those posts. I just looked at the ten most recent reviews of it and 4/10 say that they got a faulty one.
March 30, 2007 9:55:15 PM

Ok, I am just trying to figure out the power supply, the motherboard, and the video card.

Video card: x1900 previously suggested, looks great, but the review I found was somewhat old, are the x1900s still recent?

Motherboard: The one that was previously suggested has a lot of bad reviews on newegg, so I am still looking for more opinions.

Power supply: I have heard a ton of different opinions on which company is the best. Should I just buy from any of these companies or can someone give me more information? Also, I am thinking of getting about a 600W. Is this enough? Should I get more?

Thanks!
March 31, 2007 3:00:18 PM

Ok, I have an update on the motherboard. I am now looking at the GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS39 (link below) and I like it a lot! It even has a combo deal on newegg with a COOLMAX CUG-700B ATX 12V( V.2.2) 700W Power Supply which would solve my power supply question if this is a good power supply. The only thing that I am not sure about is what it says under features:
"Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets."
Does this mean I must use ddr2-800?

Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
March 31, 2007 3:29:03 PM

Wait for April 22 and get an E6600. Get a 750W PSU. Get an 8800GTS. Get a retail version of Vista.
March 31, 2007 3:37:39 PM

Quote:
Wait for April 22 and get an E6600. Get a 750W PSU. Get an 8800GTS. Get a retail version of Vista.

I will wait for april 22 and possibly upgrade the cpu.
What about the 700W one as a combo deal (above).
8800GTS are WAY to expensive. I have not seen one that is in the 200 range. If there is one I might be interested. (EDIT: Just found one. Would I be best off with one of these cards?)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E1681...
March 31, 2007 10:42:58 PM

Absolutely!
April 1, 2007 1:08:05 AM

Thanks! Just one (well, two) questions:

1. Do I have to use ddr2-800 memory with the mother board? This is the same question I asked before:
Quote:
Ok, I have an update on the motherboard. I am now looking at the GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS39 (link below) and I like it a lot! It even has a combo deal on newegg with a COOLMAX CUG-700B ATX 12V( V.2.2) 700W Power Supply which would solve my power supply question if this is a good power supply. The only thing that I am not sure about is what it says under features:
"Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets."
Does this mean I must use ddr2-800?

Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...


2. Will this all work? I will be using it for normal stuff and possibly some gaming. (Interested in Spore.) I will also hopefully be hooking it to an hdtv.

Also, I think I know what to do, but are there any great guides on the internet to put it all together?

Thanks so much!!
April 1, 2007 1:37:30 AM

You have to use DDR2. Not neccesarily DDR2 800. Just make sure it is DDR2 not just DDR. Otherwise you will be fine.
April 1, 2007 2:32:02 AM

Your build looks great, great choice with the GA DS3, you can use most DDR2 memory, speed doesn't matter until you go above 800.
April 1, 2007 1:22:44 PM

Thanks so much! Just one thing left. Any recommendations on wifi chips / bluetooth?
April 1, 2007 2:16:30 PM

Not really, I use a bridged wired connection. I hate wireless.
April 1, 2007 2:30:15 PM

What about bluetooth?
April 1, 2007 3:45:34 PM

couldn't help you with that, never used them. Hopefully others could
April 1, 2007 6:33:09 PM

Another questions:
How much are the intel e6600 and the intel e6400 probley going to cost after the price drops?
April 1, 2007 7:16:29 PM

The E6600 wil cost about as much as the E6400 does now.
April 1, 2007 7:24:31 PM

Thanks! Now I just need to find out what bluetooth and wifi card to use...
April 1, 2007 7:58:40 PM

I don't see anything that talks about specific prices, I could be missing something though. Thanks anyway.
April 1, 2007 8:14:19 PM

Basically everything should drop one spot in pricing...

IIRC... here:
Model - Price as of April 22
E4200 - $115
E4300 - $130
E4400 - $145
E6320 - $160
E6420 - $185
E6600 - $210
E6700 - $350
Q6600 - $450
April 1, 2007 8:18:46 PM

its the only table on that page, lol
April 1, 2007 8:29:03 PM

Do try to get that 8800 GTS. It basically dwarves performance from previous gen cards:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTI5Myw3...

Definitely hold off until the C2D price drops. Just keep in mind that the refresh chips are just factory OC'ed current C2D, so you're losing a little overhead.
April 1, 2007 8:36:07 PM

Quote:
its the only table on that page, lol

I looked through the rest of he article, but not down that page. :-)

Quote:
Do try to get that 8800 GTS. It basically dwarves performance from previous gen cards:

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTI5Myw3...

Your saying don't get it right? The link you point to shows that it is much better than the other card. ????????
April 1, 2007 9:34:10 PM

lol, it's all good
April 1, 2007 10:20:43 PM

kill the floppy
April 1, 2007 11:35:08 PM

nah. It costs very little and it has a built in memory card reader and it could be useful at some point.
April 2, 2007 9:48:37 PM

Just need to figure out the wifi and bluetooth. Should I go with 802.11g, not n? Also, what do I need to enable bluetooth?
April 2, 2007 11:53:47 PM

Go with N. And you don't need anything special to enable bluetooth if you have a bluetooth card.
April 2, 2007 11:59:54 PM

Wifi: Ok, the problem is that all of newegg's n cards are 3 eggs or lower or no rating. not good. Any other ideas?

Bluetooth: Thanks! So I need a bluetooth card. Off to newegg. edit: Could someone point me in the direction of where to find these cards on newegg on another similar site? I am having trouble finding them.

Also, I read that the 8800s can be glitchy especially with vista. Should I try to find a different video card?
April 3, 2007 1:59:03 AM

The 880GTS is perfectly fine in Vista. Same as the GTX. Vista drivers are not great for anything yet. The N cards on newegg are fine. No idea where to find a bluetooth card... Why do you want one?
April 3, 2007 11:39:11 AM

Ok. I will stick with it.

I looked at the reviews of all of them that had 3 or more reviews. They all have about a 50/50 split of people who it worked great for and people who it did't work at all for. The only two exceptions are one external one where it works, just it freezes up stuff (like music) every few seconds. The other exception is that it did't work for anyone. (I guess 3 because there is one that does not work with vista.)

I would like this computer to have built in bluetooth incase I end up getting something that has bluetooth abilities.
April 4, 2007 1:58:30 PM

So is it a bluetooth card I need?
April 4, 2007 10:22:05 PM

Mabey I should just not get a bluetooth chip. Chances are I will not need it, but I might...

Are there any other price cuts and stuff coming up that I might want to take into account before buying? (Other than the intel one.)
April 5, 2007 8:50:11 PM

Ok! I have one last question. Is there any reason not to switch cases to the Antec 900?
April 5, 2007 10:06:47 PM

I would say not, it's gotten great reviews and has great airflow through the case. Also, not too much more expensive
April 6, 2007 11:31:13 AM

Thanks!
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