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March 29, 2007 5:23:44 AM

I am new to this, but from what I read the E4300 b/c of its low FSB and b/c the chipset was designed for higher clock cycles, it has a higher potential of being overclocked right? However, I don't know if there is something special about the core2duos or does every generation have a chip like the E4300? For example, did the pentium D have a comparable chip that could be easily overclocked to high values yet be relatively cheap?

The reason why I am asking is that I am on the edge of whether buying a new system: E4300, new motherboard, 7800GT, 2GB DDR 800 memory ~$565
(i already bought a case and psu which i got free with rebates)

or upgrading my current system:
Dimension 4600
P4 2.6 ghz
512 MB
FX5200 (AGP)

by adding more memory up to 1 GB and replacing the video card with 6600GT ~$80.

I think if i went the upgrade path, i could postpone an upgrade by at least a year or two. I know new chipsets come out all the time and prices fall, but i was wondering if I am better off just getting E4300 b/c the next gen may not have a good overclockable CPU. In other words, in a year or two, the only choice of a good cpu for my limited budget may still be an E4300.

i want to play Supreme Commander, Galactic Civilizations, Fear which i can't play right now. heck, even KOTOR stutters with low settings.

Thank you for any advice!

PS Thanks Wiz83 for an awesome guide!

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March 29, 2007 6:10:21 AM

No.

The 4300 is nothing special COMPARED TO OTHER C2D CHIPS.

Compared do Core Duos, it eats them for breakfast.
My 925D OC to 3.6Ghz was in most tests slower than my 4300 at stock 1.8.

So compared to ur P4... its like... worlds apart. Having said that, you wont really notice a fifference until u start to push it a bit.

As for OC... every chip is unique blah blah, but the C2D generally OC VERY well. Quite a few 4300 users are getting 3.6Ghz

With games... $$$ are better spent of gfx cards. In oblivion my 925 and 4300... there is 0 fps increase with the 1950XT :( 

Get MIN 1Gb ram, 2Gb if u can, even if its cheap rubbish. 5200FX is a TOTAL DOG. ANYTHING will be better. Try get a 6800GS, even 2nd hand, i had1, worked very well, managed to unlock the pipes too so it was the same as 6800GT :) 

Good luck
March 29, 2007 7:45:22 AM

I'm not so sure about past chips, because I've only been looking at this kind of stuff for a year, but the Pentium D 805 was also a pretty good overclocker. There were reports of people getting over 4 Ghz, although this was with water cooling. Based on what's availiable now, I would not recommend getting a pentium though, It would run hot and not be worth it. The core 2 duos are much better. The 4300 will blow them away.

But, if you decided to upgrade your current setup instead, and postpone the upgrade, the 4300 will not be the best cpu for your budget anymore. Technology moves very fast. By that time, the new nehalem processors will be out (I think) and also new stuff from AMD. The technology from then will blow away what we have now. So if you decide to save money and just upgrade, you will be able to get way better stuff in a few years.

But, I would recommend getting the 4300 and overclocking it, as it will give you great performance, and it should keep you happy for a while. It would be worth it.

I would suggest getting a different video card though. the 7800 gt is kind of outdated. It would give you satisfactory performace, but you can get a better card. Most places don't even sell it anymore. I would suggest getting an x1950 Pro. It's a pretty good value. If you don't want to spend that much though, you could get a 7600 gt. That should give you performance good enough for what you want. It is comparable to my old x800 gto and I could play fear easily.

If you can wait a few weeks, the 4300 will drop in price. It will be about $115. That would be a good time to buy it.

Usually the lowest processor in a family can overclock well because it has a lot of headroom.
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March 29, 2007 8:20:46 AM

Even with the CPU's initially lower 800MHz FSB, you should be able to easily bring it upto (and beyond!) a Conroe's 1066Mhz FSB 8)
March 29, 2007 3:40:55 PM

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I am new to this, but from what I read the E4300 b/c of its low FSB and b/c the chipset was designed for higher clock cycles, it has a higher potential of being overclocked right? However, I don't know if there is something special about the core2duos or does every generation have a chip like the E4300? For example, did the pentium D have a comparable chip that could be easily overclocked to high values yet be relatively cheap?

The reason why I am asking is that I am on the edge of whether buying a new system: E4300, new motherboard, 7800GT, 2GB DDR 800 memory ~$565
(i already bought a case and psu which i got free with rebates)

or upgrading my current system:
Dimension 4600
P4 2.6 ghz
512 MB
FX5200 (AGP)

by adding more memory up to 1 GB and replacing the video card with 6600GT ~$80.

I think if i went the upgrade path, i could postpone an upgrade by at least a year or two. I know new chipsets come out all the time and prices fall, but i was wondering if I am better off just getting E4300 b/c the next gen may not have a good overclockable CPU. In other words, in a year or two, the only choice of a good cpu for my limited budget may still be an E4300.

i want to play Supreme Commander, Galactic Civilizations, Fear which i can't play right now. heck, even KOTOR stutters with low settings.

Thank you for any advice!

PS Thanks Wiz83 for an awesome guide!
If you can afford, it...go for the E4300 after the April 22 price-cuts take affect. Get a decent motherboard (preferrably with the 965P chipset) for overclocking, 2GB of DDR2-667(you won't need 800 with the E4300), and a decent video card. And yes, with Intel, most generations have a great overclocking/bargain chip(always the lowest speed in the series, as was said by yadge). Look forward to 3.0-3.2GHz overclocks, 3.6GHz is not an everyday occurence, and requires top-shelf hardware and cooling. GL :) 
March 30, 2007 6:06:05 PM

I just recently upgraded from a P4 @ 2.4Ghz system to the e4300 with the GA-965P-DS3 board and wow is it worlds apart. Even at stock the e4300 blew my old system away. I'm currently running my e4300 @ 3.0 Ghz and it runs higher(I just have no need since I don't game). If I were you I too would wait for the price cuts in about 3 weeks and get either the e4300(rumored to be about($130) or the e6600(rumored to be about $215).
March 30, 2007 6:24:38 PM

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...2GB of DDR2-667(you won't need 800 with the E4300)


I'm confused, doesn't it operate at a FSB of 200MHz (800MHz effective), not 166MHz (667MHz effective)? :?
March 30, 2007 6:26:26 PM

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The reason why I am asking is that I am on the edge of whether buying a new system: E4300, new motherboard, 7800GT, 2GB DDR 800 memory ~$565
(i already bought a case and psu which i got free with rebates)


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It's not nearly that expensive. In about a month, Fry's will be running a 4300/Motherboard special. This week, it was $150. In a month, it should be $120 or less. Pin mod it to 2.4GHZ. For the 4300, you dont need DDR2 800. Get 2Gb of that Supertalent DDR2 667 for $100. Finally, get a $120 7900GS or $140 x1950

Total upgrade: $120 + $100 + $120= $340
March 30, 2007 6:54:11 PM

Yes E4300 is special. You get the 9x multiplier very cheap!
March 30, 2007 7:15:41 PM

I hope you meant 7900 GT... they're almost always cheaper than the 7800 GTs. Unless you're catching a 7800 series card on some close-out special, steer clear of them.
March 30, 2007 7:32:38 PM

what he *said* was 7900GS
March 30, 2007 8:02:22 PM

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The reason why I am asking is that I am on the edge of whether buying a new system: E4300, new motherboard, 7800GT, 2GB DDR 800 memory ~$565
(i already bought a case and psu which i got free with rebates)

Actually, he did say 7800GT... and I think anyone here would agree that card is rarely a good deal when compared to a 7900 GT.
March 30, 2007 8:16:41 PM

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...2GB of DDR2-667(you won't need 800 with the E4300)


I'm confused, doesn't it operate at a FSB of 200MHz (800MHz effective), not 166MHz (667MHz effective)? :?

The E4300 runs at 200mhz x 9 as standard, which means that the FSB runs at 200mhz x 4 as standard, which means memory will run at 200mhz x 2 = 400 as standard.

But look, if you're going to get this chip, you'll probably want to OC it, and that's when 667 memory might come into play. It's perfectly feasible to run at 3ghz (9x333), or somewhere near that, and then you'll need 2x333 = 667 memory.

But seeing as 800 modules are so cheap anyway, I don't see why you wouldn't get these anyway. They'd be more likely to be useful in future systems, for one thing.
March 30, 2007 8:17:03 PM

Quote:
...2GB of DDR2-667(you won't need 800 with the E4300)


I'm confused, doesn't it operate at a FSB of 200MHz (800MHz effective), not 166MHz (667MHz effective)? :?



ram is double, not quad. ddr800 runs at 400mhz, ddr667 runs at 333mhz
March 30, 2007 8:20:41 PM

Quote:
...2GB of DDR2-667(you won't need 800 with the E4300)


I'm confused, doesn't it operate at a FSB of 200MHz (800MHz effective), not 166MHz (667MHz effective)? :? Yes, and no. The FSB is 200MHz. Your RAM, when running synchronously(1:1..FSB:D RAM), is running at 400MHz(DDR=Double-Data Rate)....double the FSB. With Intel's processors, they use a quad-pumped bus, which means that it's effectively(the same as)4x FSB. So...

E4300...200FSB=400MHz RAM=800MHz FSB(effective)

E6300...266FSB=533MHz RAM=1066MHz FSB(effective)

So, if you have DDR2-667, that means it can run at 333MHz. At 1:1, that means 333x9(E4300 multiplier)= 2997MHz(3.0GHz). Thus 667 RAM will allow you to overclock the E4300 to at least 3GHz, and probably higher(most 667 runs 750MHz or better). :wink:
March 30, 2007 8:22:29 PM

We all (3) posted at the same time. :D 
March 30, 2007 10:43:55 PM

Hi all,

Thank you so much for spending the time to reply. I really appreciate the advice. While I did write the wrong card (it's supposed to be this EVGA 256-P2-N550 -T2 GeForce 7600GT 256MB which was right around my price range of an even 100 or less), i am glad you told me that 7800 gt is not worth it, since i would have thought the opposite.

I think I am going to wait for the April 22 price decrease and jump in the OC waters then.

I am still debating the DDR 667 vs 800 issue, but i did just see the ewiz deal for supertalent ddr 667 at $100.

I think of all the specs, memory has to be the most confusing with the timings, ratios, quad pumping etc, voltage changes, whether or not it has micron chips (does this really matter). I was leaning toward the Buffalo Firestix or the Patriot eXtreme Performance mentioned in DDR2 800 article just to be safe, but after reading 1tankers and rd's posts, maybe this is overkill? It seems like the prices are falling fast for these, regardless!



Thank you again!
March 30, 2007 11:06:54 PM

I would say: nothing wrong with that RAM. That's well cheap!

Don't worry too much about RAM, especially in a core2duo outfit. Money is better spent elsewhere for your purposes. They've done real-life tests on how much difference tighter timings and higher frequencies make, and they found... very little. Put the money where you'll notice the difference (i.e. GFX).
April 9, 2007 3:17:39 AM

Yep, save the money, get better video card and the budget supertalent or similar ram. Also note, there is even a cheaper C2D chip than the 4300 coming soon. Its the same chips but even less L2 cache. Something in the $80 per CPU price. Overall OCs should be as good with only a TINY total performance drop due to the lessaer L2 cache. Same budget? Upgrade that video card a bit. Thats what drives games at any rate. Also both video card companies are in the midst of a release/refresh. More bang for the buck is just days away or so for both companies. if you wait a couple/few weeks, you could very well end up with even more performance and even less money spent.

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Also there was a review of a 650i hybrid SLI motherboard that is something like 150-180 and OCs as good as about anything...although its still overkill but feature rich...
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April 9, 2007 7:17:03 PM

Even the newer chipsets don't really boost your performance much. It's all about the features. The last 2 systems I built for people had a Gigabyte P650 Motherboard in them that we got for $99 and it was easy to work with, solid, and easily overclocked. Granted it only had 1 x16 PCI-E slot but then again you are paying for features again. I also believe I saw an article somewhere that tested the new 680I vs some other ones including a P965 and other common chipsets and not one had a performance advantage over the other. It all comes down to features, the quilaity from the manufacture, and it's overclockability.

By the way the e4300 is an AWESOME budget chip. I'd buy it in a heart beat if I was looking to save some cash on a build. Put your $$$ into a graphics card. An 8800 if you can or something just under. Older machines might cause some game lag if the CPU and memory can't keep up but even the lowend new stuff is golden. G.Skill is some good cheap memory. I havent heard a SINGLE bad thing about them yet. Those last 2 builds I got their lower end 2GB kit.
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