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March 29, 2007 5:19:23 PM

After doing more research I've come up with the following build (gaming, video/graphics work, family pc) to last 3-5 years.

Items that I have already been ordered or delivered:

Dell 22' monitor
Logitech keyboard/mouse combo

ASUS P5B Deluxe LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131045
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$178.99

Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835185038
-$20.00 Instant
$59.99
$39.99

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130082
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate
$279.99

Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116213
-$10.00 Instant
$199.99
$189.99

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231098
-$40.00 Instant
$169.99
$129.99


Items that will be ordered on/around April 18th:

These are still up for debate.


COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
Item #: N82E16811119077
$49.99

SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model SH-S182D/BEBE - OEM
Item #: N82E16827151133
$30.99 (maybe doing 2 of these for the writing...I believe the mobo can handle 2)

2 x Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Item #: N82E16822148140
-$5.00 Instant
$179.98
$169.98
($84.99 each)

Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 ATX12V 650W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371001
-$20.00 Instant
$129.99
$109.99

Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 Allendale 1.8GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E4300 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115013
$169.00


1 - I just wanted to give someone a chance to glance over it and make sure it all works together. It should.

2 - While I once thought I didn't want to overclock, if I go with the 4300 I may try it. I read to stay away from the 6400 and 6600 and only go with the 6700 from the forums.

3 - I'm currently looking at 650W, but then I read the ars system guide (http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200703.ars) for March it it says 450W is plenty for even a great box which goes against most of what I've been hearing and reading.

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March 29, 2007 7:28:48 PM

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While I once thought I didn't want to overclock, if I go with the 4300 I may try it. I read to stay away from the 6400 and 6600 and only go with the 6700 from the forums.

I'm currently looking at 650W, but then I read the ars system guide (http://arstechnica.com/guides/buyer/guide-200703.ars) for March it it says 450W is plenty for even a great box which goes against most of what I've been hearing and reading.


You are very wrong my friend. Or you didn't read well, or somebody said sh!t. No one on these forums would say to stay away from the 6400 or 6600 and go for the 6700. The 6700 is the worse buy and I'll tell you why.
When it comes to OC, you want a high multiplier to keep the northbridge less stressed. You made a good choice on the e4300 if you are going to OC, but look, the 6400 has a multiplier of 8 and the 6600 of 9, so you'll reach higher frequencies with a lower fsb. The 6600 has 4Mb of cache and that would be a little boost (max of 10% in some apps clock for clock), and so the 6700; but the performance between this two is too short to $200 of price difference and with a fsb of 300x9 you reach 6700 speeds.

So, the 4300, 6400 and 6600 are have 9x, 8x, 9x multipliers and make them a good buy, overclocking or not. The 6700 is not a good buy.
And if you are into video encoding, you'd better OC that chip.

As for the psu, I doubt 450W are enough, because you'll need 26Amps on the 12V rail minimum to feed a full system and a GTS. And I doubt you can find such a low wattage psu with so many Amps on the 12V rails.
March 29, 2007 7:45:20 PM

450W would be enough if you get a good quality PSU. I think FSP Group has a 450W for around $50 that has something decent enough like dual 18A 12v.
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March 29, 2007 7:53:35 PM

I took a glance to see where I saw it at, but I can't track it down quickly. Anyway, I can't afford the 6700 anyway. Maybe my memory serves me wrong...that's not really the big point for me.
March 29, 2007 11:52:52 PM

1 - Personally, I'd ditch the COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 & get the COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 for 3 x 120mm fan mounts & maximum cooling. When you o/c, you'll know the importance of cooling.

2 - I think they might be thinking stock 6400/6600 may be a bottleneck for the 8800 GTS. Or was it me who suggested getting 4300 for now after 1st price drop & upgraded to 6750 in Q3? Both would total to about the price of a current 6700.

3 - An 8800 GTS PC requires 400W 26A or up. So yes, 450W would be enough. A brand name that is. If it's a generic, the actually wattage output may be lower than advertised.
March 30, 2007 12:01:10 AM

I build computers everyday. Overclocked so many 4300's itd make ur head spin. NOT EVEN ONE 4300 has failed to clock at 3.0ghz using standard cooling, not one... More than half of them can handle 3.33ghz.

Why use a more expensive chip?

The basic build I do at work is a 4300 on a ASUS p5b (JUST P5B). Mind you out of 30-50 of the P5b's Ive worked with 2 have been shotty. One had blown out USB ports (My co-worker wasnt grounded and claimed she saw a spark pluggin in some peripherals) the other had some strange LAN problem we worked around with a NIC..

Happy building
April 6, 2007 6:59:21 PM

After reducing my hard drives to 2 250G (prob RAID 0) and backing up to an external HD I am thinking about changing something.

I got that ninja cooler in and it's flipping huge. Will it fit in the case I specified above?

Because of the minimal price difference I'm wondering if I should go with the Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 instead of the 4300.

Thoughts?
April 6, 2007 7:48:20 PM

For the sake of this discussion, I haven't decided that I am going to OC for sure yet.
April 6, 2007 9:20:40 PM

Only have around 200 to spend so even after price drop the 6700 will be too steep.
April 19, 2007 1:54:58 PM

I believe this covers it:

Microsoft Windows Vista 32-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116213
$189.99

ASUS P5B Deluxe LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Item #: N82E16813131045
$178.99

EVGA 320-P2-N811-AR GeForce 8800GTS 320MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
Item #: N82E16814130082
$279.99

G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ - Retail
Item #: N82E16820231098
$129.99

Scythe SCNJ-1100P 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler - Retail
Item #: N82E16835185038
$39.99

Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 ATX12V 650W Power Supply with Three 12V Rails - Retail
Item #: N82E16817371001
$129.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) ST3250620AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM X 2
Item #: N82E16822148144
$149.98

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6300 - Retail
Item #: N82E16819115005
$185.00

Arctic Silver CMQ-22G The high-density, ceramic-based thermal compound - Retail
Item #: N82E16835100012
$9.99

Microsoft LifeCam VX-3000 0.3 MP Effective Pixels USB Interface WebCam - Retail
Item #: N82E16826105033
$38.99

SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black SATA Model SH-S183L - OEM
$41.99

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-WW Black/Silver Aluminum Bezel, SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail
$49.99
April 19, 2007 8:33:28 PM

a. already have that piece
b. can't afford the upgrade currently
April 19, 2007 9:19:28 PM

One of the earlier posts...there are certain parts that I've already ordered and received.

The last batch I just ordered.
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