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March 29, 2007 8:45:22 PM

Someone know if AMD plans to mantain the socket AM2 on their new processors? I'm going to by a new PC this year and Core 2 Duo is too expensive in Brazil [An E6300 costs almost US$300,00 (R$600,00)]. I could buy a Pentium D and upgrade it to a C2D later, but I didn't want to make a upgrade so soon, since I use the PC for gaming and encode video files. And i expect AMD to crush Intel with the K10 archteture. They intent to use the L1 or F socket or they plan to stay with the AM2? Or nobody knows?

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March 29, 2007 9:35:16 PM

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Am2 is Am2+ compatible and maybe Am3 so its use will continue for a while.

That's right. You will be able to install at least a K10 quad core on an actual AM2 board; something that should outperform an actual Core2 quad.
March 29, 2007 9:45:27 PM

Is that really true?! AMD has already confirmed this? I heard about a kind of socket LGA F.

hm! Did AMD improved the compatibility with other DDR2 memories than DDR2-800? I remember AM2 processors used to set weird clocks when used with DDR2-667 and DDR2-533.
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March 29, 2007 9:51:26 PM

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Is that really true?! AMD has already confirmed this? I heard about a kind of socket LGA F.

hm! Did AMD improved the compatibility with other DDR2 memories than DDR2-800? I remember AM2 processors used to set weird clocks when used with DDR2-667 and DDR2-533.

The socket F you are talking about is only for Opterons and high end FX chips. After the release of Barcelona, Agena will be a quad core for socket AM2 released hopefully at the end of this year.
March 29, 2007 10:24:20 PM

and what about motherboard support? The newest socket AM2 mobo uses the nForce 590 SLI chipset >_> There aren't fast, cheap, and good overclockers mobos for AM2 T_T

For LGA775, the P5B is a good choice (since I don't even think about using a multiple video card solution)... or P5B Plus (when it hit the Brazilian market)... or any P965 based motherboard from MSI, ASUS, etc.
March 29, 2007 10:32:58 PM

the chipsets are just fine; the real problem with the current AM2 chips is they don't overclock well themselves, so it's hard to tell the limits of the chipsets if the most your CPU will handle is HTT300 (for a X2 3800+ to get to 3.0GHz).
March 29, 2007 10:50:18 PM

Hmm..... lol... I'm so confused >_<" I Like AMD, but i don't think Intel will sit down and listen music while AMD is developing the K10. (Did they jump the 9 coz K9 would sound like Canine? xD). But C2D is very expensive... and Pentium D = crap. Would be a good idea to buy a good mobo and a Pentium D and overclock it till its limits while I wait the C2D get cheaper? I'm thinking in upgrade possibility to don't face a problem as I faced with my current rig (a socket 754 Sempron 3100+, K8V-X SE)... And I really want a VERY good mobo coz brazilian market seems to be controlled by retards... almost 90% of the PCs here have AGP8x instead of PCIe.. and you can't find any card better than a FX5500 for AGP here! And cards like 7600GS costs US$250,00 here! So, with a good mobo, I may upgrade my PC for a while and buy a new rig some years after, when the old rig become outdated (for US). I may sell my current rig for a good price, since ppl here really don't know things like FX5200 may be 64-bit or 128-bit, or even if there are other models of GeForce than FX ones! xD

But, what do you REALLY recommend? Be honest, ignoing the fact (?) of AMD will POWN Intel.
March 29, 2007 10:58:31 PM

Intel and AMD will continue to leapfrog each-other and that will go on and on; you can't hide from it. If an AM2 is all you can afford for the moment then do for it; it overclocks to decent levels (2.7-2.8GHz) and that has a good upgrade path too. More or less any chipset and board will let you OC a brisbane or Windsor X2 3600+/X2 3800+ to about 2.8GHz. A lot of people have bought the cheap combos on newegg and now run them at 2.7-2.8GHz. Man, I have squeezed HTT256 out of my VIA K8M800 chipset; crap of the crap so don't worry at all about it.
March 29, 2007 11:15:37 PM

hmm... I'll see what can I do... thx, you were very helpful ^^
March 29, 2007 11:40:29 PM

AM2 and AM2+ cpus are interchangable, the AM2+ cpus support hyper transport 3.0, if you put them in an AM2 mobo you will only get hyper transport 2.0.

The AM3 cpus will support DDR3, the cpus will work in AM2 and AM2+ mobos. However, AM2 and AM2+ cpus will NOT work in AM3 mobos.
March 30, 2007 12:14:25 AM

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AM2 and AM2+ cpus are interchangable, the AM2+ cpus support hyper transport 3.0, if you put them in an AM2 mobo you will only get hyper transport 2.0.

The AM3 cpus will support DDR3, the cpus will work in AM2 and AM2+ mobos. However, AM2 and AM2+ cpus will NOT work in AM3 mobos.

Only AM2 CPUs (the current K8 chips) are supposed not to fit on AM3 boards while the memory controller of the K10 (AM2+ CPUs) should work with both DDR2 (but on AM2+ boards only) and DDR3. So an AM2+ CPU will work on a AM3 board.
March 30, 2007 12:27:04 AM

I'd have gone with the retail X2 4600+ on ewiz; $120 with free shipping :wink:
March 30, 2007 3:52:31 AM

AM3 will work in AM2+ and AM3 sockets, but not AM2.

AM2 will work in AM2 and AM2+.

AM2+ will work in all.
March 30, 2007 7:06:04 AM

I have also read that AM2+ will work in AM2, but only at a reduced bus speed of 1000mhz.
March 30, 2007 11:07:36 AM

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I'd have gone with the retail X2 4600+ on ewiz; $120 with free shipping :wink:


8O whats that in your siggy? :lol:  :lol:  :twisted:
...well, technically speaking, it's a X2 4600+ :D 
March 30, 2007 12:35:58 PM

I decided not to buy a PC til AM3 or AM2+ mobos roll out. You were a great help, thx ^^

I'll stay with my current rig for a while (Sempron 3100+ Paris, K8V-X SE, FX5200 128MB/64-bit, 512 DDR-400 RAM) and wait... when the time come I'll sell it and buy a new one, probaly an AM3 or AM2+ one =D I hope K10 really crush C2D and Intel make another crap with Nahalem with IMC, like they did with the NetBurst architeture. =D
March 30, 2007 3:39:08 PM

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AM3 will work in AM2+ and AM3 sockets, but not AM2.

AM2 will work in AM2 and AM2+.

AM2+ will work in all.


LINK? I got railed on by all for saying that and loosing the proof. :wink:

Who railed you for it? I thought it was common knowledge. I think I remember reading it in several places (Inq, DailyTech, Digitimes, etc.). If I feel motivated I'll look up a link later
March 31, 2007 8:22:35 PM

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AM3 will work in AM2+ and AM3 sockets, but not AM2.

AM2 will work in AM2 and AM2+.

AM2+ will work in all.


LINK? I got railed on by all for saying that and loosing the proof. :wink:
Well, I don't really think you need a link at all about it; it's all an upgrade chain. What we know for sure (from that last interview of Hector some weeks ago) that AM2+ CPUs would work on AM2 boards. And when he was asked if AM3 chips would work on AM2 boards, he said it was one of their targets but depending on the specs of the CPUs, they couldn't know it now. And for sure an AM3 will work on an AM2+; that's how the whole AM2-AM3 transition meant to be.
March 31, 2007 8:39:17 PM

*Bows gracefully*
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