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Core 2 Duo E4300 Overclocking

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March 29, 2007 11:45:13 PM

I'm planning to buy a new rig, so I plan to spend a lot on VGA and take a basic C2D. the E4300 overclock very well, and, since i'm planning to buy a P965 based mobo I think I'll overclock it a "bit" :lol: 

But I have a doubt: I'll buy 2 DDR2-667 512MB, probaly CL5, but I'll try to get a CL4 one. If I set it to 400Mhz and start to raise the FSB, when I get 266FSB the RAM will run at 533MHz. If I set it to 533MHz and Raise the FSB to 266Mhz, the RAM will run at...?

What's the best CHEAP P965 based mobo? I want one which may support FSB1333 via BIOS update or whatever. I wanna a good mobo for future upgrades ^^

And another question: sould I buy a E4300 and overclock it or spend a little bit more and buy an E6300?

One more question: whats the best clock settings I can get without raising the voltage or raising it just a little?
March 30, 2007 2:55:41 AM

Gigabyte 965P DS3 rev 3.3 for $118.88 would be my recommendation. It supports 1333 FSB it says on outside of box (even though it's not listed in specs in that link) and mine is running 1586 atm and should easily reach 1600+.

From what I've been reading the 4300 may be easier to OC (due to temps I believe). If memory serves correct, the 4300 has 2mb like the 6300... but the 6320 is coming out that will have 4mb cache and will replace the 6300.
March 30, 2007 3:39:22 AM

I know this is not helpful, and off topic, but...

Why bother... is there any reason that you would EVER need to overclock this unit? That thing is a beast...
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March 30, 2007 3:42:34 AM

the ds3 rev 3.3 is what i bought and planning on a 4300 next mo and 667 ram set the fsb a 333 and have a 1-1 ratio and 2.997 gigs safely
could use stock cooler but ive got the tuniq 120 for my own peice of mind
March 30, 2007 4:27:17 AM

Hi there - just to let you know that although I am a relative overclocking newbie, I have managed to easily get a stable 3.15ghz overclock with the E4300 with just a slight voltage bump (0.5v) on the Gigabyte GA-965p-ds3 (rev2) I'm running at 350fsb with the RAM running at 700mhz (1400fsb effective) - this is with GeIL DDR2-800 Ram which wasn't too expensive. I've even run the RAM at 875Mhz @ 14-4-4-4 and it seems to be stable enough.

The E4300 is a great little chip - why pay for the x6800 which is almost 6 times the price when you can get near-as-damnit performance with the E4300!

Good luck
March 30, 2007 5:15:15 AM

cause you can get a boatload more out of an X6800, Thats a good OC youve got there by the way.
March 30, 2007 5:58:45 PM

I have the e4300 and I'm running at 3.0Ghz right now stable at 334FSB with the DS3 rev. 3.3 board. I can get it to 3.33Ghz but it requires 1.5vcore which I don't wanna be at(although my temps even at that voltage are within reason).
March 30, 2007 9:49:32 PM

OVERKILL
-cm
March 31, 2007 3:56:53 AM

why over kill if it works and its safe,sane, and workable then who does it hurt , I got a car with over 675 hp but I dont need it but I have it when I do, and I get 19 mpg out of it before I hit the 500 hp button as well.
I bought a 700 ocz psu but only need 34 to 36 amps so does it mean that 56 amps is over kill? nope its safe and protective of My property and My toys.
just a opinion does any one need a 1 kw psu?or more
April 2, 2007 12:38:33 AM

Umm are you supporting me or tearing me down or moving the subject to PSUs? :?
-cm
April 2, 2007 4:06:52 AM

I am quite happy with my mildly OC'd E6600 at 3GHz :wink:
April 2, 2007 4:17:19 AM

I also have the DS3 rev 3.3 and I am trying to tweek/optomize the OC. I am having trouble getting over 350FSB on the mianboard. It boots no prob at 350 FSB but I try like 360, 375, 380, 400, 406, 425.....wont boot. It cycles and defaults.

Any suggestions on how to get my FSB up around 400?

I will start my own post so as to not hijack this thread, so sorry for the double post. But seems like we have similar hardware.

DS3 REV 3.3 F10 BIOS
E4300 W/ Scythe Ninja
Seasonic S12 600W
Patriot extreme DDR800 4-4-4-12 @ 2.2V 2x1GB
X1950XT
April 2, 2007 5:06:22 AM

This makes no sense. It is, however, nice to see you, Rich.
-cm
April 2, 2007 8:53:43 AM

How far do you want to OC? The 3ghz range seems to be a good spot for the e4300. If you are looking for too much more you might want an E6xxx B2 stepping chip. DS3 rev 3.3 is an excellent board (put a fan on the northbridge) and I currently have my E4300 undervolted and @ 3ghz (334x9) with no other adjustments to board voltage (had memory @ +.1 but put it back when I went 1:1). Orthos loves this setup :) 
Good luck with your build!
April 2, 2007 1:27:28 PM

I have an e4300 at 3GHz (2.99, actually!) and it runs like a charm.

E4300 @2.99GHz (FSB 333x9)
Asus P5B Deluxe
2G Corsair PC6400 @ 667MHz 4-4-4-12 2.1v
DangerDen CPU & HD water cooling
BFG 7800GTXOC @ Stock (PCIe clock 110MHz)
Creative X-Fi Fatal1ty
2x 74G WD Raptor 10,000 HDs in RAID 0
April 3, 2007 3:54:30 PM

Quote:
I know this is not helpful, and off topic, but...

Why bother... is there any reason that you would EVER need to overclock this unit? That thing is a beast...
-cm


Don't like overclocking? Please go somewhere else! This is the OVERCLOCKING CPU forum.
April 3, 2007 5:54:55 PM

Oh, no, I LOVES the overclock. [/regrets other post]

Sorry. :?

-cm
April 3, 2007 6:38:35 PM

Quote:
I know this is not helpful, and off topic, but...

Why bother... is there any reason that you would EVER need to overclock this unit? That thing is a beast...
-cm


Don't like overclocking? Please go somewhere else! This is the OVERCLOCKING CPU forum.
Umm... no. It's just the CPU forum. However illogical, I think an OC hater is entitled to be here.
April 3, 2007 7:45:03 PM

It IS overkill because, to use your car analogy, it would be like you running your car fullblown ALL the time. You have 675HP under the hood but you dont use it constantly. And if you did keep the pedal to the metal all the time how long before you blow a gasket, head, rod, engine block explodes?

3.33Ghz may very well be near or at max OC for his settup. Its not any smarter to redline your chip constantly than is is to redline your car constantly. If you dont care if it blows and can afford another then no, it doesnt matter and go ahead.

If your like me and do not have money to burn, then getting another 5-10% performance at the cost of maybe burning up your whole system is not very smart.
April 3, 2007 8:19:15 PM

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It IS overkill because, to use your car analogy, it would be like you running your car fullblown ALL the time. You have 675HP under the hood but you dont use it constantly. And if you did keep the pedal to the metal all the time how long before you blow a gasket, head, rod, engine block explodes?

3.33Ghz may very well be near or at max OC for his settup. Its not any smarter to redline your chip constantly than is is to redline your car constantly. If you dont care if it blows and can afford another then no, it doesnt matter and go ahead.

If your like me and do not have money to burn, then getting another 5-10% performance at the cost of maybe burning up your whole system is not very smart.


Your point is well taken but it is all up to the person who's OC their chip as to whether it is worth it or not. Personally I want the most out of my chip. I bought my whole setup for the future. I bought the e4300 because it OC's well and I want to OC to it's potential. It only cost me $165 and when the Quads become more prevalent I plan on upgrading to one since my board supports them. And in the meantime I want to the get the most out of my chip. As long as you keep your temps under control, OCing the chip more is certainly not gonna shorten the CPU's life span unless u plan on keeping it for 10+ years.
April 3, 2007 8:22:54 PM

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It IS overkill because, to use your car analogy, it would be like you running your car fullblown ALL the time. You have 675HP under the hood but you dont use it constantly. And if you did keep the pedal to the metal all the time how long before you blow a gasket, head, rod, engine block explodes?

3.33Ghz may very well be near or at max OC for his settup. Its not any smarter to redline your chip constantly than is is to redline your car constantly. If you dont care if it blows and can afford another then no, it doesnt matter and go ahead.

If your like me and do not have money to burn, then getting another 5-10% performance at the cost of maybe burning up your whole system is not very smart.

But there's a problem with the car analogy... we want our cars to last 4 or 5 years so we can pay them off. Most people here seem to swap CPUs on a must more frequent basis... if we shorten the 10 year (I just made that number up) life of a CPU to 5 years that's perfectly acceptable... who wants to use a CPU past 5 years?
April 3, 2007 9:43:22 PM

It may last 5 years at redline. But is may only last 1 year. Or it may only last 5 days. Its not very likely at all that it will go that quick but it is possible.
April 3, 2007 9:58:24 PM

Quote:
It may last 5 years at redline. But is may only last 1 year. Or it may only last 5 days. Its not very likely at all that it will go that quick but it is possible.


If you do proper testing and monitor your temps you have no worries.
April 4, 2007 12:45:08 PM

Quote:
It may last 5 years at redline. But is may only last 1 year. Or it may only last 5 days. Its not very likely at all that it will go that quick but it is possible.


If you do proper testing and monitor your temps you have no worries.
High temps aren't the only enemies of processor longevity. I'm not saying OC'n is a bad idea... just saying that no OC is totally without risk.
April 4, 2007 10:22:30 PM

Quote:
It IS overkill because, to use your car analogy, it would be like you running your car fullblown ALL the time. You have 675HP under the hood but you dont use it constantly. And if you did keep the pedal to the metal all the time how long before you blow a gasket, head, rod, engine block explodes?

3.33Ghz may very well be near or at max OC for his settup. Its not any smarter to redline your chip constantly than is is to redline your car constantly. If you dont care if it blows and can afford another then no, it doesnt matter and go ahead.

If your like me and do not have money to burn, then getting another 5-10% performance at the cost of maybe burning up your whole system is not very smart.

But there's a problem with the car analogy... we want our cars to last 4 or 5 years so we can pay them off. Most people here seem to swap CPUs on a must more frequent basis... if we shorten the 10 year (I just made that number up) life of a CPU to 5 years that's perfectly acceptable... who wants to use a CPU past 5 years?

Hey... I have a Pentium MMX 233Mhz that runs XviD PERFECTLY! =P
It'svery old, but it's good... if you don't wnat to run anything heavier than GTA 2 xD

If I OC my CPU without raising the voltage and keeping it cool, would I just loose lifetime referent to the clock raising, no? I mean... the CPUs are made of transistors... a Transistor have a limited lifetime due to the fact it have a limited "clock cycles" to do... Since I'm raising the frequency, the transistors in the processor will break sooner than the expected... so, I'm asking: what's the difference, in lifetime meanings, of running a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo FSB1066 or overclock a Core 2 Duo to 2.4Ghz raising the FSB from 800 to 1066? o.O Without raising the Voltage, assuming that the Cores are identical except for the Cache L2 size o.O

Can a OC like this make a P965 chipset (which is known to officially support up to FSB1333) last less time than it should?
April 5, 2007 8:56:30 AM

Excellent work. Easy to understand.
April 5, 2007 2:23:36 PM

lol... I'm asking xD I'm not saying that's true
April 5, 2007 9:20:31 PM

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It IS overkill because, to use your car analogy, it would be like you running your car fullblown ALL the time. You have 675HP under the hood but you dont use it constantly. And if you did keep the pedal to the metal all the time how long before you blow a gasket, head, rod, engine block explodes?

3.33Ghz may very well be near or at max OC for his settup. Its not any smarter to redline your chip constantly than is is to redline your car constantly. If you dont care if it blows and can afford another then no, it doesnt matter and go ahead.

If your like me and do not have money to burn, then getting another 5-10% performance at the cost of maybe burning up your whole system is not very smart.

But there's a problem with the car analogy... we want our cars to last 4 or 5 years so we can pay them off. Most people here seem to swap CPUs on a must more frequent basis... if we shorten the 10 year (I just made that number up) life of a CPU to 5 years that's perfectly acceptable... who wants to use a CPU past 5 years?

Hey... I have a Pentium MMX 233Mhz that runs XviD PERFECTLY! =P
It'svery old, but it's good... if you don't wnat to run anything heavier than GTA 2 xD

If I OC my CPU without raising the voltage and keeping it cool, would I just loose lifetime referent to the clock raising, no? I mean... the CPUs are made of transistors... a Transistor have a limited lifetime due to the fact it have a limited "clock cycles" to do... Since I'm raising the frequency, the transistors in the processor will break sooner than the expected... so, I'm asking: what's the difference, in lifetime meanings, of running a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo FSB1066 or overclock a Core 2 Duo to 2.4Ghz raising the FSB from 800 to 1066? o.O Without raising the Voltage, assuming that the Cores are identical except for the Cache L2 size o.O

Can a OC like this make a P965 chipset (which is known to officially support up to FSB1333) last less time than it should?

Well, say the transistor does have a set lifetime. Are the other chips in the same family using the same transistors? If that's the case, they aren't going to die any quicker than the chips in the same family rated at a higher speed.

If you want to simplify the life of a transistor down to how many times it switches states then figuring out how much you shorten the life is easy.

All you have to do is divide the stock speed of your chip by the speed it's running at and multiple it by 100. This will tell you what percentage of the original life it will run for.

For example. A 2.0 GHz chip ran at 3.0 GHz will give you a total lifetime expectancy of 66.6% of the stock life...or you lost 33.3% of it's life.

THAT being said, I do not believe you can simplify it this much. Also...I have no clue how long a transistor should last so what it means in terms of day or years I have no clue...which also gives you no useful information. :D 
April 6, 2007 4:30:53 PM

I dont think 3 gigs is overkill for $170 your getting the performance of a $970 cpu ,on the cheap yes and there easy to oc
lol the car analogy is because been a mech and racer for 26 yrs
April 6, 2007 4:38:25 PM

Quote:
It IS overkill because, to use your car analogy, it would be like you running your car fullblown ALL the time. You have 675HP under the hood but you dont use it constantly. And if you did keep the pedal to the metal all the time how long before you blow a gasket, head, rod, engine block explodes?

3.33Ghz may very well be near or at max OC for his settup. Its not any smarter to redline your chip constantly than is is to redline your car constantly. If you dont care if it blows and can afford another then no, it doesnt matter and go ahead.

If your like me and do not have money to burn, then getting another 5-10% performance at the cost of maybe burning up your whole system is not very smart.

But there's a problem with the car analogy... we want our cars to last 4 or 5 years so we can pay them off. Most people here seem to swap CPUs on a must more frequent basis... if we shorten the 10 year (I just made that number up) life of a CPU to 5 years that's perfectly acceptable... who wants to use a CPU past 5 years?



im sorry if everyone has to have a newer car ,I got a original 65 mustang with 80,000 miles and stock, a 69 roadrunner with a 502 ci motor that I race 1/4 mile and street legal , now building a 31 modle A thats been in the family for 40 yrs and daily driver is a 70 pu with a straight 6, granny 4 speed, wifes car is a 98 cougar with 50,000 on it and looks new.
old cars last out here thats why calif is one of the hot rod states alive , home town is what "American Graffeti" was wrote about
edit, we all want the best we can afford in computers thats why some oc cant afford a 400$ board 1000$ cpu ,600$ gpu and 300+$ ram so we do what we can with what is afordable. used to be AMD was the pro choce now intel has the top on the cheap and its upgradeable for future uses
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