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My question is will my Opteron become a bottleneck if I was to purchase a 8800gts 640 mb version GFX card?
Ive been reading lots of articles on the 8800 series needing a really beeefy cpu, is this tru3?

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no it would not be a bottleneck.

actually bluntside, i have seen you around here before, why ask this question, why not just look at some reviews?

what res do you play at anyway and what games.

Reply to strangestranger

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My question is will my Opteron become a bottleneck if I was to purchase a 8800gts 640 mb version GFX card?
Ive been reading lots of articles on the 8800 series needing a really beeefy cpu, is this tru3?

No.

Any modern CPU, preferably a dual core is fine.

People who say you need a X6800 are morons. It won't provide a worthy improvements over a mid-range CPU.

Reply to prozac26

1600x1200

I enjoy playing games under max graphical settings and the most rez that my lcd will handle

Reply to bluntside

Your opty will be fine for everything except maybe some of the next gen games that really need dual core.

Supreme Conmmander is the first of 'em. It remains to be seen if Crysis will be one, too...

Reply to Cleeve

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My question is will my Opteron become a bottleneck if I was to purchase a 8800gts 640 mb version GFX card?
Ive been reading lots of articles on the 8800 series needing a really beeefy cpu, is this tru3?

No.

Any modern CPU, preferably a dual core is fine. People who say you need a X6800 are morons. It won't provide a worthy improvements over a mid-range CPU.

This is about the 3rd or 4th time I have seen you posting this misleading info in regards to cpu's and the G80. Unless you have had any personal experience with a G80 or own one you really should not make assumptions that just any dual core cpu will do.

You cannot just assume that any modern dual core is fine with a G80. There are plenty of modern dual core CPU's from both intel and amd that will bottleneck the living sh1t out of a 8800GTS or GTX unless you do some good overclocking.

I have personally tested a GTX with a E6400 and a Opty 175 running at different speeds.

Testing with the Opty 175 showed there were big gains with the 8800GTX all the way to 3.2ghz before things started to level off. And this was at 1680X1050 mind you so the CPU bottleneck would be even worse at 1280X1024.

The E6400 did not have to be pushed quite as far as the Opty (2.6-2.9ghz with the E6400 was ideal for the GTX) but there was certainly a big bottleneck at the E6400's stock speed.

Bottom line is that pretty much any affordable modern day dual core CPU on the market right now will bottleneck a G80 unless you do some hefty over clocking.

Reply to RobsX2

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You cannot just assume that any modern dual core is fine with a G80.

I'll disagree on that. I've been using an 8800 GTX with my e4300, at stock 1.8 GHz speeds even... the system works great. I doubt there's a single game the 8800 GTX/e4300 combo couldn't beat compared to, say, an e6600/X1950 XTX combo at a decent resolution... say 1600x1200.

Sure, there'd be gains from a faster CPU. There will ALWAYS be gains from a faster CPU. But you'd see more of a scaling drop from a slower card.

The lion's share of gaming performance is still in the video card.

Reply to Cleeve

rob, i cannot believe you are one of these noobs who has no idea what bottlenecking is.

bottlenecking refers to something preventing the other components from giving adequate performance. it is not something not letting another component reach its full potential.

it is all about real world scenario's. if a cpu causes stuttering or slow FPS then yes it will be bottlenecking the GPU but if all you are referring to is max fps then it really aint the point.

too many people like you scare others into thinking their game will not be playable unless you have a high end CPU.

the Opteron's have played games well for ages and a new GPU does not change its performance.

also, where exactly do you get your evidence that resolution affect bottlenecking? in tests, res is lowered to show up the max FPS a cpu can send to the gfx card, it does not change. the only reason the lower res is selected is to alleviate any stress on the GPU.

i know you like your 8800's but do not blind yourself because of it. prozac knows what he is talking about, do not forget that.

Reply to strangestranger

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rob, i cannot believe you are one of these noobs who has no idea what bottlenecking is.

I know exactly what bottlenecking is. Pair up a stock E6300 or a stock Opty 170 with a 8800GTX and both cpu's will bottleneck the shit out of a 8800GTX.

I cannot believe you are one of the noobs who doesnt realize this :roll:

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bottlenecking refers to something preventing the other components from giving adequate performance.

ROTFLMAO :lol: Just because say for example a E6300 at stock speeds combined with a 8800GTX performs adequately enough for most games does not mean that there is still not a big bottleneck being created from the CPU :roll:

Come on guys, you should know better than to make such idiotic claims and strangestranger your the last person I ever expected to bend over and kiss a senior members ass just to appease him :lol:

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it is all about real world scenario's.

No sh1t, and thats the way I tested. Not with 3dmarks or any of that but with actual games.

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if a cpu causes stuttering or slow FPS then yes it will be bottlenecking the GPU but if all you are referring to is max fps then it really aint the point.

Actually I am referring to both min and max fps and once again you are wrong. Like I said earlier a E6300 at stock speeds might be adequat enough for most but it still doesn't rule out a bottleneck.

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too many people like you scare others into thinking their game will not be playable unless you have a high end CPU.

And to many people like you cause people to go out and pair up a high end GPU like the G80 with a stock amd 3000+ or something of that nature and then they wonder why they are not getting the performance they should get. :roll:

And you need to open your eyes and read, I never ever once said that people need a high end CPU, an E6300 or a E6400 is anything but high end :roll: What I did say however was that they need to overclock to a good level if they expect to fully exploit the power of the G80.

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the Opteron's have played games well for ages and a new GPU does not change its performance.

Yes it certainly does unless you do some overclocking. The G80's are extremely fast GPU's and there are tons of Benchmarks out there that back up my claims that overclocking will bring big gains.

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i know you like your 8800's but do not blind yourself because of it.

Please :roll: I am not blind of anything.

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prozac knows what he is talking about, do not forget that.

Prozac may know his stuff to a certain degree but he is wrong here and so are you. Do not forget that.

Take a good long look at these benches.

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The GeForce 8800 GTX is a little CPU-bound when running with the Core 2 Duo E4300 at stock speeds

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With so much graphics horsepower however, you run the danger of your CPU bottlenecking the graphics card. This happens most frequently with older games and at lower screen resolutions, particularly if you have a slower CPU. We saw this just recently in our GeForce 8800 GTX/GTS Performance with Athlon 64 article, where the X2 3800+ wasn’t able to keep up with the 8800 GTX. As a result, the GeForce 8800 GTX/X2 3800+ system was outperformed in some cases by some configs with slower graphics cards.

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if you’re relying on one of the budget chips like the Core 2 Duo E4300. Just OC the chip a little if you can

You still want to tell me I am wrong :roll: :roll: :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

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I'll disagree on that. I've been using an 8800 GTX with my e4300, at stock 1.8 GHz speeds even... the system works great. I doubt there's a single game the 8800 GTX/e4300 combo couldn't beat compared to, say, an e6600/X1950 XTX combo at a decent resolution... say 1600x1200.

That would all depend upon the game and how CPU bound it was but you are still missing the point.

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The lion's share of gaming performance is still in the video card.

I realize that but your missing the point yet again.

Reply to RobsX2

FFS stop being silly.

you completely missed my point and to even think of mentioning bottlenecking is wrong.

thoase benchies for one were average frame rates and even then proved my point more than yours.

i am not trying to appease no one. i know prozac knows what he is talikng about and i know you don't in this case.

seriously, that opty is not going to prevent any game from running smoothly.

if a cpu is going to be a bottleneck, it will not matter what GPU it is paired with.

read my post again and take the blinkers off.

EDIT: on second thopught that comment about running any game smoothly might not be accurate but you get my point.

Reply to strangestranger

I'm not getting into the above battle only because I think the participants are both right, but for different things. I think there's confusion about bottleneck (can't get above 20fps minimum) versus holding back from potential (getting 100fps avg versus 150fps).

Blunt, the most important thing to remember is what game/app you expect to be playing. Some are more cpu-centric than others, and others don't even run near 100%.

So while you may be able to do better, it'll likely be quite gameable in most current games.

Reply to TheGreatGrapeApe

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I realize that but your missing the point.

Am I?

The point, I would think, is that you would not recommend a person without a high-end dual core CPU to get an 8800 GTX because it would bottleneck them.

My point is that if they can afford the best card they can get, it won't bottleneck them to any significant amount.

Let's consider the results of the article at Tom's
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/1 [...] stest_cpu/

Concentrating on the 1600x1200 resolution - the minimum you'd want to play if you went out and purchased an expensive GTX, right? If you want to play at 1280x1024, you probably don't need an 8800 in the first place...

Doom3: 4xAA 8xAF, 1600x1200
Core2 Extreme 6800 with 8800 GTX: 123 fps
Core2 Extreme 6800 with X1950 XT: 80 fps
Athlon64 FX 60 with 8800 GTX: 108 fps

FEAR: 4xAA 8xAF, 1600x1200
Core2 Extreme 6800 with 8800 GTX: 83 fps
Core2 Extreme 6800 with X1950 XT: 57 fps
Athlon64 FX 60 with 8800 GTX: 79 fps

Oblivion: Outdoors, 1600x1200
Core2 Extreme 6800 with 8800 GTX: 39 fps
Core2 Extreme 6800 with X1950 XT: 22 fps
Athlon64 FX 60 with 8800 GTX: 35 fps

Scenario by scenario, what's the bottleneck? Is it the videocard or is it the processor? Seems pretty obvious that the card is a much bigger bottleneck than the processor. And at higher resolutions in that article, the CPU is even less of a bottleneck.

Seems like if you're going to be playing at high resolutions with eye candy, the processor isn't that much of a bottleneck at all...

...And like I said, if you're playing at 1280x1024 with no AA, why are you paying the extra hundreds of dollars for the 8800 GTX in the first place? At decent resolutions, the processor bottleneck is all but removed.

Reply to Cleeve

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thoase benchies for one were average frame rates and even then proved my point more than yours.

That would be a negative :roll: Those benchies show exactly what I said would happen with a faster CPU. Its not like we are only talking 2-3fps faster from the bottom to the top. The charts clearly show a bottlneck with the slower CPU. If you cant see that then I really feel sorry for you.

I do still love you though :oops:

Reply to RobsX2

THAT IS NOT A BOTTLENCK, BEND OVER FOR YOUR SPANKING OR I DRAG YOU INTO THE OTHER FOR SOME ROUGH TREATMENT!!!!

Reply to strangestranger

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I realize that but your missing the point.

Am I?

The point, I would think, is that you would not recommend a person with a low-end dual core CPU to get an 8800 GTX because it would bottleneck them.

My point is that if they can afford the best card they can get, it won't bottleneck them to any significant amount.

Let's consider the results of the article at Tom's
http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/1 [...] stest_cpu/

Concentrating on the 1600x1200 resolution - the minimum you'd want to play if you went out and purchased an expensive GTX, right? If you want to play at 1280x1024, you probably don't need an 8800 in the first place...

Doom3: 4xAA 8xAF, 1600x1200
Core2 Extreme 6800 with 8800 GTX: 123 fps
Core2 Extreme 6800 with X1950 XT: 80 fps
Athlon64 FX 60 with 8800 GTX: 108 fps

FEAR: 4xAA 8xAF, 1600x1200
Core2 Extreme 6800 with 8800 GTX: 83 fps
Core2 Extreme 6800 with X1950 XT: 57 fps
Athlon64 FX 60 with 8800 GTX: 79 fps

Oblivion: Outdoors, 1600x1200
Core2 Extreme 6800 with 8800 GTX: 39 fps
Core2 Extreme 6800 with X1950 XT: 22 fps
Athlon64 FX 60 with 8800 GTX: 35 fps

Scenario by scenario, what's the bottleneck? Is it the videocard or is it the processor? Seems pretty obvious that the card is a much bigger bottleneck than the processor. And at higher resolutions in that article, the CPU is even less of a bottleneck.

Seems like if you're going to be playing at high resolutions with eye candy, the processor isn't that much of a bottleneck at all...

...And like I said, if you're playing at 1280x1024 with no AA, why are you paying the extra hundreds of dollars for the 8800 GTX in the first place? At decent resolutions, the processor bottleneck is all but removed.

Nice try. Both Fear and Oblivion have very little impact on CPU performance. Doom 3 however shows a completely different story and so do the other benches I posted.

Reply to RobsX2

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THAT IS NOT A BOTTLENCK

Yes it is.

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BEND OVER FOR YOUR SPANKING OR I DRAG YOU INTO THE OTHER FOR SOME ROUGH TREATMENT!!!!

Sounds good :oops:

Reply to RobsX2

his point is there is no "bottleneck". there is a reduction in frames but no bottleneck.

Reply to strangestranger

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The point, I would think, is that you would not recommend a person without a high-end dual core CPU to get an 8800 GTX because it would bottleneck them.

Well Durr dee durr what do you think we have been talking about :lol:

Reply to RobsX2

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Nice try. Both Fear and Oblivion have very little impact on CPU performance. Doom 3 however shows a completely different story and so do the other benches I posted.

What are you saying... the fact that the video card has a much higher impact on performance than the CPU in all 3 games is irrelevant?

Even in Doom3 you take a 43 fps hit with an X1950 but only a 15 fps hit with a slower processor. Are you saying that the CPU is still the primary bottleneck? That doesn't jive with the facts...

Are you arguing that you're better off to invest in a faster CPU and slower videocard that provides a 43 fps hit, rather than just getting a faster videocard that get's you 15fps from the top CPU/card combo?
Where's the sense in that?

Reply to Cleeve

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his point is there is no "bottleneck". there is a reduction in frames but no bottleneck.

There is a big enough reduction in frames in the benches I posted that suggest a bottlneck is quite evident.

Reply to RobsX2

are you deliberately being obtuse.

Reply to strangestranger

you know, even though rob has no idea what a bottleneck is, the OP probably does by now so what rob thinks don't really matter.

Reply to strangestranger

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Even in Doom3 you take a 43 fps hit with an X1950 but only a 15 fps hit with a slower processor. Are you saying that the CPU is still the primary bottleneck? That doesn't jive with the facts...

Stop trying to twist around the fact by throwing a X1950 into the picture :roll: Of course there will still be a big gain by going with the 8800GTX but the fact still remains that the faster CPU in that game clearly performs better with the 8800GTX than the slower CPU which is my whole point. 15FPS is a pretty decent gain, its not like we are only talking about 2-3fps.

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Are you arguing that you're better off to invest in a faster CPU and slower videocard that provides a 43 fps hit, rather than just getting a faster videocard that get's you 15fps from the top CPU/card combo?
Where's the sense in that?

Oh dear god........... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

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are you deliberately being obtuse.

No are you?

Reply to RobsX2

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you know, even though rob has no idea what a bottleneck is, the OP probably does by now so what rob thinks don't really matter.

Actually it seems I am the only one who understands what a bottleneck is :roll:

OP pm me if you have any questions. Ignore these children they don't know any better.

Reply to RobsX2

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Well Durr dee durr what do you think we have been talking about :lol:

Value and performance, I thought... :roll:

The OP has an Opty OC to 2.5 Ghz and a 7900 GT. He has enough to buy an 8800 GTX, we'll assume $550.

You're saying his $550 upgrade cash is better spent on something else than a 8800 GTX because of a 'CPU bottleneck'?

What do you suggest instead, that he buys an e6600 platform, mobo, and DDR2 memory for $550 to use with his 7900 GS so he can see a 5% increase in game performance?
Hell, the FX60 and an X1950 XT only got 80fps in Doom3 @ 1600x1200. So what, he might get 70 fps? He's probably getting 65 fps now!

Now you're suggestion is that he does that instead of getting an 8800 GTX that will get him a mere 15fps away from an e6800 extreme/8800 GTXcombo, 108 fps in this instance?

Is there a meaningful bottleneck demonstrated on the FX 60/8800 GTX combo? If so, please point it out...

Of course a faster CPU will result in better performance. But it's so insignificant it could hardly be termed a bottleneck.

Whatever you call it, if you want to argue semantics or not be my guest, but it's blatantly obvious the smart money is on the videocard upgrade...

You complain that people recommend not knowing what they're talking about, but all the evidence suggests you're the one recommending based on flawed logic.

Reply to Cleeve

BUT AT THOSE FPS YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE AND MOST IF NOT ALL LCD'S AND EVEN CRT'S WON'T BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THOSE FPS ANYWAY. HOW THE HELL YOU GOING TO COMEBACK AGAINST THESE LITTLE FACTS?

you're screwed

Reply to strangestranger

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Well Durr dee durr what do you think we have been talking about :lol:

Value and performance, I thought... :roll:

The OP has an Opty OC to 2.5 Ghz and a 7900 GT. He has enough to buy an 8800 GTX, we'll assume $550.

You're saying his $550 upgrade cash is better spent on something else than a 8800 GTX because of the bottleneck?

Stop putting words in my mouth cleeve :roll: I clearly said earlier that a stock E6300 or comparable CPU will provide adequate enough performance for most people when paired up with an 8800GTX.

My whole entire point however is still the fact that it takes a fairly fast CPU to fully exploit the power of a 8800GTX.

I think the OP should go for a 8800GTX if he wishes but I will also stand behind the fact that he will see a nice increase in gaming performance if he can push the CPU to higher speeds as a Opty at 2.5ghz will be bottlenecking a 8800GTX.

Stop trying so hard to make this into something its not.

Reply to RobsX2

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BUT AT THOSE FPS YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE AND MOST IF NOT ALL LCD'S AND EVEN CRT'S WON'T BE ABLE TO DISPLAY THOSE FPS ANYWAY. HOW THE HELL YOU GOING TO COMEBACK AGAINST THESE LITTLE FACTS?

you're screwed

I never ever once said that you would be able to see the difference as the FPS in either case are still high :roll: my god you two love to put words in my mouth :roll:

The benches were for one purpose and one purpose only and thats to show that a slower cpu does indeed bottleneck a 8800GTX to a certain degree.

The performance is clearly better with a faster cpu and the benches show that with the increased FPS. Those are cold hard facts and something you cannot deny.

The only one screwed here is yourself.

Reply to RobsX2

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Stop putting words in my mouth cleeve :roll: I clearly said earlier that a stock E6300 or comparable CPU will provide adequate enough performance for most people when paired up with an 8800GTX.

I thought you said "there was certainly a big bottleneck at the E6400's stock speed."

But, Sure! How much is an e6300? $181 on newegg.
Lets be conservative and say $120 for a mobo, $200 for two gigs of DDR2. We're already at $500.

Even if he had enough left over to go for an X1950 XT (which he doesn't), his gaming performance is still far below what it would have been with a simple 8800 GTX upgrade with his current CPU, without the pain of changing his rig and reinstalling his OS.

But I don't want to put words in your mouth, Rob. You tell US what you suggest he does with his $550 for a gaming upgrade, if the 8800 GTX is such a bad idea because of his CPU bottleneck... :roll:

Reply to Cleeve

no one is denying that you will get better performance with a better CPU. my point is that it is not a bottleneck as it will not affect real world performance(read my earlier posts). i think i have proven my point and this argument is over.

Reply to strangestranger

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Sure! How much is an e6300? $181 on newegg.
Lets be conservative and say $120 for a mobo, $100 for a gig of DDR2. We're already at $400.

god damn Cleeve are you really this fukin daft?! I never suggested that he replace his opty for a E6300, new board and memory :roll:
I said or COMPARABLE CPU SUGGESTING HIS OPTY IS FINE!!!!

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But I don't want to put words in your mouth, Rob. You tell US what you suggest he does with his $550 for a gaming upgrade

I just did idiot :roll: I said he should get the 8800GTX if he wishes but also suggested that he overclock the CPU as much as he can to get the most out of his 8800GTX.

Reply to RobsX2

Damn...The War is over?

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Sure! How much is an e6300? $181 on newegg.
Lets be conservative and say $120 for a mobo, $200 for two gigs of DDR2. We're already at $500.

Even if he had enough left over to go for an X1950 XT (which he doesn't), his gaming performance is still far below what it would have been with a simple 8800 GTX upgrade with his current CPU, without the pain of changing his rig and reinstalling his OS.

But I don't want to put words in your mouth, Rob. You tell US what you suggest he does with his $550 for a gaming upgrade, if the 8800 GTX is such a bad idea because of his CPU bottleneck...

100% Agree.
5 star from me!

Reply to Farhang

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my point is that it is not a bottleneck as it will not affect real world performance

Yes it does. WTF do you think the gaming benches are? :roll:

You may still get decent performance with the stock slower CPU but it still doesn't take away the fact that a bottleneck is there.

Reply to RobsX2

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Damn...The War is over?
Sure! How much is an e6300? $181 on newegg.
Lets be conservative and say $120 for a mobo, $200 for two gigs of DDR2. We're already at $500.

Even if he had enough left over to go for an X1950 XT (which he doesn't), his gaming performance is still far below what it would have been with a simple 8800 GTX upgrade with his current CPU, without the pain of changing his rig and reinstalling his OS.

But I don't want to put words in your mouth, Rob. You tell US what you suggest he does with his $550 for a gaming upgrade, if the 8800 GTX is such a bad idea because of his CPU bottleneck...

100% Agree.
5 star from me!

Go back and read what I have posted you fukin noob :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

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I just did idiot :roll: I said he should get the 8800GTX if he wishes but also suggested that he overclock the CPU as much as he can to get the most out of his 8800GTX.

Lol, you can always tell you've gotten under someone's skin when the name calling comes out. I am honored to have upset you so fundamentally. 8)

BTW, the OP's CPU is already overlcocked, Rob.

I think I'll just requote Prozac's simple but insightful post:

"Any modern CPU, preferably a dual core is fine.

People who say you need a X6800 are morons. It won't provide a worthy improvements over a mid-range CPU."

Reply to Cleeve

You can always tell when someone is losing a battle because they resort to stupid sh1t like cleeve has done by putting words in your mouth or twisting the subject around into something entirely different.

I am going to work now. You guys have fun squabbling around in your stupidity. Its no fukin wonder that tomshardware is the joke of all computer related forums :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

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Go back and read what I have posted you fukin noob :roll:

Hey Dumb @$$.
i had 700Post with my preview Account (PX7800GT)...i'm not noob.

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...read what I have posted...

you have posted nothing but Bulls**t.

Reply to Farhang

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stupid sh1t like cleeve

Two insults! That's two more points for me!

I don't want to brag, but you've still got zero, Rob... I've goaded you into three, now.

I love you too much to call you names. :wink:

Reply to Cleeve

come get a cuddle, over at the other :twisted:

Reply to strangestranger

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BTW, the OP's CPU is already overlcocked, Rob.

I realize that moron as he is at 2.5ghz. I was saying that he should push it even further if possible if he plans to get a 8800gtx. Optys in general overclock pretty well and he should be able to get more than 2.5ghz.

Reply to RobsX2

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I realize that moron

4-0

:twisted:

Reply to Cleeve

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Go back and read what I have posted you fukin noob :roll:

Hey Dumb @$$.
i had 700Post with my preview Account (PX7800GT)...i'm not noob.

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...read what I have posted...

you have posted nothing but Bulls**t.

Yeah your right your not a noob. Just some cock lover looking to stick his prick up a senior members a$shole :roll: :roll:

Reply to RobsX2

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Just some **** lover looking to stick his prick up a senior members a$shole :roll: :roll:

I guess can't technically count those as they weren't directly fired at me.

Still, it speaks to my success! :twisted:

[edit]I have to go Rob. We'll consider this one 4-0 in my favor unless you want to call me more names, OK? You can fling them at me in my absence and I'll tally them up later. [/edit]

Reply to Cleeve

Hey dumbass!
i told you i'm not noob.
you are so angry because you lost the war to Cleeve.
so...
GO F**K YOUR SELF

Reply to PX7800GT

hey , what about me:evil:

oh and why the change of account? not like that name?

Reply to strangestranger

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hey , what about me :evil:

Oh,Sorry my friend.my bad :tongue:

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oh and why the change of account? not like that name?

yeah man, i can't find a way to change my name, so i decided to make a new account.
good to see you all

Reply to Farhang

By adding the 8800GTS, you should be able to enjoy most games at that resolution with no problems, Bluntside.

For the arguement going, as long as you can play the game, does an extra 3fps MATTER anyway? A 2.5Ghz AMD dual-core WILL NOT bottleneck a 8800GTS. Bottleneck happens when your machine can't run the game any faster than, let's say, 20fps. Bottleneck doesn't mean you can't run the game at 100fps+! Anyway, anything over 60fps is gravy anyway because your eye can't tell the difference!

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