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I am running an ATI 9700 Pro AGP card on my PC, and am looking to improve the PC's ability in running some of the latest games (Oblivion, BF2142, NWN2, etc).

The main problem I face is that my motherboard (ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe) only takes AGP cards, so it would cost me an estimated £520 to upgrade onto a decent PCI-E card. I have a P4 3Ghz CPU on the motherboard.

I'm wondering if you think I would notice any decent gains by changing my card for an X1950 Pro, or whether it would be held back by the other parts of my system?

Would it be better to stick with what I have and try overclocking the card and/or CPU while saving up for that PCI-E upgrade?

Thank you!

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what sorta PSU have you got???

for a x1950 pro its advised that you have around 28-30 amps on the +12V rail.

so if you can put up a list of all your hadrware we'll let you know if its worth it :wink:

Reply to blade85

I have used the 9800pro. Then went back to 9700pro. Now I have the X1950XT. Wow, what a difference in even the little open GL games.

So yes, it's worth every penny.

Reply to Aceprowler

I'm in the same situation... 9800 pro and I got that as a PSU

http://www.antec.com/specs/trueblue480_spe.html


What should I do with that?
I got a p4 2.6HT fsb800

Thanks

Reply to Trizomik

trizomik

your psu should be fine, however your cpu will bottleneck the card by a pretty large amount. Depending on the res you plan to game at, you may just be better off with a 7600GT.

so your gonna have to decide if you want to spend that extra bit for a x1950 pro and not make full use of it at places. It will definitely give you a big boost compared with ur current system, but perhaps not as much as you would want it to.

Reply to blade85

Good question there. I know ATI is not as dependant (performance wise) as Nvidia is on the CPU... however I can't tell up to what card I can use in regard of my current CPU.

Reply to Trizomik

no way, you will not see any difference. Ati made the x800 and x1000 series just for fun, not for better or faster graphics :roll:

OFCOURSE you will see a HUGE difference! Even with a p4 @ 3ghz. The more eyecandy (and higher res.) you use, how greater the difference with your 9700. yes, it will be faster with a conroe. but yes, it`s really a big difference.

Bonus: you will get SM3.0 and HDR

Reply to meljor

Thank you for all of the comments so far. It looks like I would notice a difference from what's been said!

My current PSU is a Q-tec 450W one:
http://www.qtec.info/products/product.htm?artnr=13024&specs=1

I don't think it's a particularly good one, but it's served me well so far!

Any thoughts on this would be useful.

Thank you!

Reply to Ankira

What are the specs on that PSU? I'm looking at the 12v rail(s) particularly. I can't seem to read that label in the picture...can you take a look?

Reply to sirrobin4ever

The +12v rail says the following:

16A Peak
12A Max
192W Peak Watt


Does that help?

Thanks.

Reply to Ankira

Definitely upgrade! I had a 9700 Pro and upgraded to a x1950pro and it's AMAZING! Do it, you wont regret it at all. Just make sure your psu can handle it, as others have said.

Reply to BlackAxe3001

Quote :

The +12v rail says the following:

16A Peak
12A Max
192W Peak Watt



for a 9700 it was fine, however the x1950 pro requires around 28A on the +12V rail, so you really need to upgrade that aswell if your going for the x1950 pro.

Reply to blade85

http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/0 [...] -analysis/

Hope this article helps you decide. I miss my 9700 pro, but my x800xl does fine. I don't have the latest and greatest, but I don't need the high resolutions or maxed out graphics. Good luck

Reply to thatguy32

Quote :

The +12v rail says the following:

16A Peak
12A Max
192W Peak Watt


Does that help?

Thanks.




Yeah, thats much too low for a 1950 card. Your gonna need to upgrade.

Do you plan on upgrading to a whole new, faster system in the next year? (This will help me to help you pick a suitable power supply.)

Reply to sirrobin4ever

Yes, I am planning to upgrade in the next year or so onto a whole new PCI-E board, etc.

This is the usual problem with PCs, isn't it! You think about something to tide you over for a while, and then the cost gets a bit more and you start getting tempted with the bigger upgrade...!

I'd be interested to know what sort of PSU you would advise which would be useful for a decent dual-core PCI-E system in the future (although maybe they'll be quad core, etc by then...!)

I've read a good article on Custom PC which compared PSUs; I'm not sure if these are any that you'd advise?
(See the High end and Mid range Lab test on www.custompc.co.uk)

Reply to Ankira

this would be better suited to have its own topic in the power supply section as people there will be able to fill you in.

For a dx10 crossfire (high end) you'd be looking at around 750-1000 watt psu :P , so personally I wouldnt bother :roll:

just get one card, it'll be more than enough for most games. For 8800GTX even a corsair 620 watt would do well. However the news on ATI cards looks a little more demanding for now, will just have to wait and see.

Reply to blade85

Thank you blade and everyone for the pointers - I'll look over on the PSU area to take this forward.

I'm convinced now about the usefulness of moving up to the x1950pro, which is what I wanted!

Thank you.

Reply to Ankira

If you pop over to Hexus you'll see that they have just reviewed a couple of them on the AGP front. Performance seems to be pretty good, face it the PCIe 7900GS isn't ahead by much.

Think you could probably just look at the vga charts here and read the normal 1950pro figures, mind you no old ATIs to check, nearest an X700 maybe?

Watch the power supply though as people have said.

Reply to womble

I recently migrated to a 1950 AGP Pro. I tried three different cards and numerous versions of CCC until I found one that worked as advertised. I'm not running an HIS X1950Pro AGP with 512 of ram. I'm using Version 2 of this card and it simply has saved me from migrating to PCI-E for another year. Glad somebody at ATI realized that there's still money, GOOD MONEY, to be made with the AGP format. They got about 280 dollars of mine and I couldn't be happier. Now, if Patriot will return my RMA'd RAM I'll be one happy camper and my rebuilt rig complete.

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