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April 4, 2007 2:48:32 PM

http://www.apple.com/macpro/

The use of 3 GHZ rather than 2.66 GHZ Clovertowns is notable.

8)
April 4, 2007 3:02:11 PM

Quote:
http://www.apple.com/macpro/

The use of 3 GHZ rather than 2.66 GHZ Clovertowns is notable.

8)


BaronMatrix:
"AMD is actualy killing Intel."
"Now me, I have very nearly had sex on the dance floor of a club with a sober woman - about 4 times."
"I'm still the only nerd with a rap album."
"You all take this too seriously."


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April 4, 2007 3:13:13 PM

QX6800@150W
Almost, but not hot as Quad FX :twisted:
April 4, 2007 3:29:29 PM

Look, it's obvious what Intel is doing. Last night I watched for the zillionth time one of the best movies ever made, The Godfather. Intel is copying Sonny Corleone when he finds out that his brother in law Carlo just beat the crap out his sister. Sonny runs up to Carlo in the street, smashes his head in with a garbage can and then when Carlo is lying in the gutter gives him one last good swift kick to the ribs. Consider the QX6800 as Intel giving the last kick to AMD. It was unnecessary, but damn, didn't it feel good? :twisted:

P.S. I know that Carlo later sold out Sonny to Barzini, but I don't think AMD has the ammo to shoot Intel full of holes at the causeway tollbooth! :lol: 
April 4, 2007 3:32:01 PM

Well he does make a good point, the TDP IS going to be excessive.
April 4, 2007 3:36:29 PM

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Well he does make a good point, the TDP IS going to be excessive.


Then how would you describe AMDs 4x4 at over 500 W on a box? :lol: 

April 4, 2007 3:38:04 PM

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Well he does make a good point, the TDP IS going to be excessive.


Then how would you describe AMDs 4x4 at over 600 W on a box? :lol: 

Egregious.
April 4, 2007 3:50:56 PM

Note, you can build your own box identical to the Apple machine at 1/2 the price from components.

You know how Apple love to overprice their (commodity) hardware 8O
April 4, 2007 3:52:33 PM

In fairness, though, it's not a whole lot more expensive than a similar system from Dell.
April 4, 2007 3:54:06 PM

Which just reinforces the amount of premium OEMs add. Yes, support is thrown in there, but for most people it wouldn't be worth it. Most people using / buying one of those systems would probably have enough knowledge to fix whatever went wrong anyway.
April 4, 2007 3:58:57 PM

Quote:
http://www.apple.com/macpro/

The use of 3 GHZ rather than 2.66 GHZ Clovertowns is notable.

8)


BaronMatrix:
"AMD is actualy killing Intel."
"Now me, I have very nearly had sex on the dance floor of a club with a sober woman - about 4 times."
"I'm still the only nerd with a rap album."
"You all take this too seriously."


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Let's hope it's a lot faster cause 2 3GHz Xeons is like 250W. Can you say space heater. But I guess since it will be faster than AMD it's OK.


Boy, what a stalker. You should really try harder to get a life. You can't have mine.
April 4, 2007 4:02:37 PM

Quote:
Note, you can build your own box identical to the Apple machine at 1/2 the price from components.

You know how Apple love to overprice their (commodity) hardware 8O


I see you're still infatuated with me and can't get me out of your head. At least I know I have gotten to you. DO you think I would ever put anything related to you, good or bad, in my sig.

What a clown.

Oh yeah, so you know I'm back to writing screenplays again so you can add that.
April 4, 2007 4:06:43 PM

Considering the low volume, lack of competition, high power draw.... and general pointlessness of this release... I'm betting its just the final proof intel aims to crush AMD entirely. Now they can brag about having a quad core on the market that outperforms (hypothetically) AMD's upcoming Barcelona, even if you can't find one to buy.
April 4, 2007 4:12:41 PM

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Let's hope it's a lot faster cause 2 3GHz Xeons is like 250W. Can you say space heater. But I guess since it will be faster than AMD it's OK.



Intel:
2.33 Ghz Clovertowns E5345:
Source: http://www.2cpu.com/printer.php?action=review&id=114&pa...

265 W

For 3 Ghz Xeons ... lets be conservative: 350W

i.e. 350W gives you 8x 3 GHZ Conroe cores.

AMD 4x4:
QuadFX 74

4x 3 Ghz K8 cores @ 600W
Source: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2065502,00.a...

Ratios:
Intel: 120% MORE performance for 40% LESS power.

:lol:  @ AMDs 4x4
April 4, 2007 4:13:10 PM

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Considering the low volume, lack of competition, high power draw.... and general pointlessness of this release... I'm betting Intel will lower the value of their other chips for nothing.


:oops: 
April 4, 2007 4:14:16 PM

Quote:


Let's hope it's a lot faster cause 2 3GHz Xeons is like 250W. Can you say space heater. But I guess since it will be faster than AMD it's OK.



Intel:
2.4 Ghz Clovertowns E5345:

265 W

For 3 Ghz Xeons ... lets be conservative: 350W

i.e. 350W gives you 8 3 GHZ Conroe cores

AMD 4x4:
QuadFX 74

4x 3 Ghz K8 cores @ 600W

Ratios:
Intel: 120% MORE performance for 40 LESS power.

:lol:  @ AMDs 4x4


So like I said because it's faster than AMD it's OK if it's a space heater.
April 4, 2007 4:17:20 PM

Might wanna read what you quoted again. Just a thought.
April 4, 2007 4:19:27 PM

Quote:
Might wanna read what you quoted again. Just a thought.



Not sure what you mean. I think I know what I said.
April 4, 2007 4:27:35 PM

Respectfully, I think you don't.
Quote:
265 W

For 3 Ghz Xeons ... lets be conservative: 350W

i.e. 350W gives you 8 3 GHZ Conroe cores

AMD 4x4:
QuadFX 74

4x 3 Ghz K8 cores @ 600W

Ratios:
Intel: 120% MORE performance for 40 LESS power.
April 4, 2007 4:29:15 PM

Quote:
Might wanna read what you quoted again. Just a thought.



Not sure what you mean. I think I know what I said.


Quote:
Location: Up in Wombat2s chick


:lol: 
April 4, 2007 4:31:38 PM

They're hyping the graphical power of 8 cores, yet what's with offering a 7300 GTS with that system???

Cutting edge stuff.
April 4, 2007 4:34:40 PM

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Oh yeah, so you know I'm back to writing screenplays again so you can add that.


You a movie magic or final draft kinda guy?
April 4, 2007 4:47:42 PM

Quote:

Oh yeah, so you know I'm back to writing screenplays again so you can add that.


You a movie magic or final draft kinda guy?
I'm more Final Draft and will have a few entries in the next ASA contest. I'm a Platinum, soon to be lifetime member.
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April 4, 2007 4:56:15 PM

Quote:
http://www.apple.com/macpro/

The use of 3 GHZ rather than 2.66 GHZ Clovertowns is notable.

8)


You tool, that's nothing like AMD's 4x4 platform.

And please, don't ask for an explanation of why it isn't.

This thread is pointless flamebait.

+1 post for me
April 4, 2007 5:13:57 PM

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They're hyping the graphical power of 8 cores, yet what's with offering a 7300 GTS with that system???

Cutting edge stuff.


probably just for rendering, and not using avivo nor nvidia's offering.


Quote:

Oh yeah, so you know I'm back to writing screenplays again so you can add that.


You a movie magic or final draft kinda guy?

I bet he loves to make comedies such .. "Epic Movie" :D 
April 4, 2007 5:18:06 PM

lol Baron, you make me giggle...
April 4, 2007 5:24:48 PM

These new processors have a dual purpose:

1.) powering a mac
2.) heating your home

Saves money in the long run if your gas bill is to high.
April 4, 2007 6:40:17 PM

Quote:
They're hyping the graphical power of 8 cores, yet what's with offering a 7300 GTS with that system???

Cutting edge stuff.


probably just for rendering, and not using avivo nor nvidia's offering.


Quote:

Oh yeah, so you know I'm back to writing screenplays again so you can add that.


You a movie magic or final draft kinda guy?

I bet he loves to make comedies such .. "Epic Movie" :D 

Actually my first comedy is ........ ssshhhhhh!
April 4, 2007 6:58:45 PM

Hum.... thats not a very funny name.


Maybe you should change it to :shush:
April 4, 2007 7:37:16 PM

Quote:
You can't have mine.
Moron, 1st of April has already passed.
April 4, 2007 7:46:39 PM

Quote:
http://www.apple.com/macpro/

The use of 3 GHZ rather than 2.66 GHZ Clovertowns is notable.

8)


This machine would be better compared to a server (because essentially that's what it is, just with OSX) than the 4x4 platform.
April 4, 2007 7:56:50 PM

My first comedy is a 102 page master piece that will leave you shaking your head at its absurdity for hours.
April 4, 2007 7:57:48 PM

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This machine would be better compared to a server (because essentially that's what it is, just with OSX) than the 4x4 platform.


Another sucker for AMDs marketing machine :lol:  You would do well to compare 4x4 to AMDs existing server platform.
April 4, 2007 8:04:16 PM

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Ohhh, dear God.... Baron is now claiming to be a screen writer??

When will it stop....


Quote:

I'm more Final Draft and will have a few entries in the next ASA contest. I'm a Platinum, soon to be lifetime member.


Baron has many talents it seems 8) I need more space for my .sig.

Jake?
April 4, 2007 8:31:42 PM

Quote:
Note, you can build your own box identical to the Apple machine at 1/2 the price from components.

You know how Apple love to overprice their (commodity) hardware 8O


I see you're still infatuated with me and can't get me out of your head. At least I know I have gotten to you. DO you think I would ever put anything related to you, good or bad, in my sig.

What a clown.

Quote:

Location: Up in Wombat2s chick


Please give to the United BaronMatrix Reading Fund. His mind is a terrible thing.

Just kidding... :)  But it is pretty ironic.
April 4, 2007 8:40:25 PM

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What a clown.


an AssClown that is...
April 4, 2007 8:52:42 PM

gay porn, that is.
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April 4, 2007 9:30:33 PM

Quote:

This machine would be better compared to a server (because essentially that's what it is, just with OSX) than the 4x4 platform.


Another sucker for AMDs marketing machine :lol:  You would do well to compare 4x4 to AMDs existing server platform.

Oh puh-leez. You are a tool. That Apple behemoth is closer to the machine in my sig than it is 4x4.

+1 more post for me.
April 4, 2007 9:38:05 PM

Quote:
QX6800@150W
Almost, but not hot as Quad FX :twisted:


Wrong. It's slightly hotter then two Quad FX cores and no-where near four Quad FX cores.
April 4, 2007 9:57:12 PM

Quote:
QX6800@150W
Almost, but not hot as Quad FX :twisted:


Wrong. It's slightly hotter then two Quad FX cores and no-where near four Quad FX cores.

That's what I meant, the four core QX6800 solution is almost as hot as four cores of Quad FX :) 
April 4, 2007 10:13:17 PM

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That's what I meant, the four core QX6800 solution is almost as hot as four cores of Quad FX :) 


:?



QX6700 uses half the power a QuadFX 74 does.
April 4, 2007 11:04:02 PM

Quote:


Ohhh, dear God.... Baron is now claiming to be a screen writer??

When will it stop....


Quote:

I'm more Final Draft and will have a few entries in the next ASA contest. I'm a Platinum, soon to be lifetime member.


Baron has many talents it seems 8) I need more space for my .sig.

Jake?

I have too many talents. My mother used to tell I was too smart for your own good, I mean my own good. I wrote a few screenplays a long time ago and got into hip hop after doing R&B.

I actually like it. And I'm Mikey.
April 4, 2007 11:14:52 PM

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Oh puh-leez. You are a tool. That Apple behemoth is closer to the machine in my sig than it is 4x4.



Look boys and girls ... a new retard to entertain us :lol: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Quad_FX_platform

Words like retard are frowned upon by the Terms. Your abusiveness is indicative of a troubled childhood.
:lol: 
April 4, 2007 11:20:05 PM

While I realise it has 8 cores rather than 4, (at least till barcelona)

The Dual CPU 3GHz Clovertown build has the following issues:

FB-Dimms use alot more power than 4x4's DDR2 DIMMs

3GHz Clovertown has a TDP of 150W each. FX-74 has a TDP of 125W each.

Intels TDP is also AVERAGE TDP of that chip, while AMD's is MAX TDP of that chip.

I would expect a Dual CPU clovertown system to be using much more power than 4x4. And, be harder to cool, due to each CPU putting out more heat.

Hell, its TDP per socket that determines how hard something is to cool anyway. Removing 150W of heat is nothing. Removing 150W of heat from an area the size of a postage stamp is hard. Removing 250W of heat total from two seperate postage stamps (125W each) is arguably easier than even a single 150W 3GHz clovertown, let alone two of them.






Still, I wouldn't touch 4x4 myself until Barcelona proves itself. But this 8 core Clovertown system uses more power per socket, more power for the FB-DIMMs, more power for the northbridge logic as it needs a memory controller, so if the power and heat generation of this 8 core system doesn't bother you and/or doesn't seem extreme, then the power/heat of 4x4 must also seem pretty tame :) 

You cant have it both ways.
April 4, 2007 11:36:58 PM

Hey Wombat,

When the First MacPro shipped with dual dual cores several of us went to price a similar setup...

It turned out that Apple had a pretty good price. Sure we could beat it... But not by much... And we had to do all the work... And the cases were not nearly as nicely put together (at the time) as the Pro...

I have yet to price out this one but the previous Mac Pro had me thinking...

It is actually a nice machine with a GREAT operating system which you can rarely play games on :(  (good ones anyways)... But wait you can bootstrap it and run Windows XP Pro too 8O 8O ...

Hmmmmm /me thinking again :) 

As said I would have to price it out to see the premium that was added.
April 4, 2007 11:43:34 PM

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Still, I wouldn't touch 4x4 myself until Barcelona proves itself. But this 8 core Clovertown system uses more power per socket, more power for the FB-DIMMs, more power for the northbridge logic as it needs a memory controller, ...


You're speaking total crap.

Dual clovertowns give more than twice the performance (+120%) for 40% less power than Quad FX: http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam...

FACT
!