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April 5, 2007 6:25:17 AM

Well my sistem is listet in my sig so dont need to write all again.
Is it true that im having slow fps or is it that much ppl lie about
their performance.
Maybe its because i have only 1GB of ddr2 but i hope to get the
answer here.

A little overview:
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. runs at 1024x768 all max without aa or af @ 40 fps
FEAR runs at preety much same max settings witout aa or af @ 1024x768 @ 40-50fps

In 3dmark 06 i get 7240 3dmarks when all settings are at stock but when i
overclock the processor (from 1,86 to 2,97Ghz) i get around 8300 3dmarks.

I expected a little bit more of performance because i see lots of ppl talking
about they running games above 80fps...

Like i said maybe i need 1 gb more of ram so that would be a jump to
where my sis. actually belongs. Hope to get the answer here

Thx to all who help. I appreciate it

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April 5, 2007 6:28:41 AM

My sig is not displayed so i paste my specs here:

Intel Core 2 E6300
Gigabyte 965P-DS3
1GB Ocz Plat. XTC
Leadtek 8800GTS 320MB
Hitachi 160GB
Samsung 21" 1100p+
Logitech G5
Logitech x510

Thx
April 5, 2007 7:08:36 AM

Getting a second gig of ram will help.But you need to make sure all the settings in your mb bios are set properly.Also you need to make sure that you install the graphics drivers with your anti-virus disabled.If you do not disable the anti-virus,then the graphics drivers do not configure properly and you end up with poor performance numbers sometimes system crashes as well.Basically uninstall graphics drivers.Reboot system into safe mode.Then install the graphics drivers.Reboot again,this time normally,then run 3dmark again and try running games and see if it helps improve performance for you.Goodluck.P.S.Return that lead weight you have and purchase either a BFG 8800gts or an EVGA 8800gts.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 TOLEDO
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7950GT KO IN SLI
4X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD/SAMSUNG 250GIG HD
ACER 22IN WIDESCREEN LCD 1600X1200
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
3DMARK05 13,471
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April 5, 2007 7:22:32 AM

Also make sure you don't have the hardware VSync turned on in the NV control panel. It basically tries to limit the card to only put out the same FPS as the refresh rate of your monitor.
April 5, 2007 7:34:42 AM

@Dahak i installed the newest drivers without any antivirus so that isnt the problem

and @ T8RR8R my monitor runs at 1280x1024@100Hz so it could be possible to run to 100fps even with VS enabled...

Where can i find the properly settings for my bios? Its now at default settings and i didnt change anything...

I hope to get this fixed, but seems to me that actually this is the performace this sys can do. Can it be that others a lying about the fps or am i stuck with my wrong bios settings?
April 5, 2007 8:02:31 AM

Or can it be that my sistem is underpowered with a low budget 400W PSU that came with the Codegen Briza ??? ???

I am low on money now, but want to know what to buy next month. Thx to all who help, i hope someone with more exp than me will know what to do
April 5, 2007 8:56:14 AM

OH ouch.Buy another power supply dude.Get at least 550watt with 30amps on the 12volt rail,minimum.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 TOLEDO
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7950GT KO IN SLI
4X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD/SAMSUNG 250GIG HD
ACER 22IN WIDESCREEN LCD 1600X1200
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
3DMARK05 13,471
April 5, 2007 11:07:28 AM

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my monitor runs at 1280x1024@100Hz so it could be possible to run to 100fps even with VS enabled


True dat...truuuuuuue dat.
April 5, 2007 11:31:17 AM

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OH ouch.Buy another power supply dude.Get at least 550watt with 30amps on the 12volt rail,minimum.

Dahak



Can u tell me some models that are good enough?
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2007 12:44:22 PM

1024x768 on a 21" CRT with a GF8800! That's a shame. 8O

Can't speak fro stalker as I haven't installed it yet, but you should be getting way better performance in Fear.
April 5, 2007 1:04:58 PM

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1024x768 on a 21" CRT with a GF8800! That's a shame. 8O

Can't speak fro stalker as I haven't installed it yet, but you should be getting way better performance in Fear.


Well im still trying to figure out why... u are not much of a help.

And do other ppl agree with that i need a better psu?
April 5, 2007 1:27:54 PM

what are specs of the psu (the amp readings)???

400 does seem low, but if the +12V rail has 28-30 amps, then it would run fine.

I run my system on a 380 watt psu (e6600, 2gigs ram, x1950 pro, 250 ghb hdd, 5 case fans), but its a good make

im not sure if the 8800gts requires the same or more power, but a new psu would definitely not harm you in any way.


But yeah, your in game scores seem quite low indeed. I can get any where from 70-350 fps in fear while running around a map in multiplayer.

you are using windows xp right??
April 5, 2007 3:26:15 PM

Thermaltake,Antec,Acepower,....etc...There are several makes and models to chose from.You don't particularily need high wattage,just high amperage.At least 30amps on the 12volt rail.But at least 500watts.I would go higher to be safe.Just a little bit.Goodluck.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 TOLEDO
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7950GT KO IN SLI
4X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD/SAMSUNG 250GIG HD
ACER 22IN WIDESCREEN LCD 1600X1200
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
3DMARK05 13,471
April 5, 2007 4:06:35 PM

Did you post this question in the FEAR Tech forums ? If so I answered it there.

If you are like me and some other people the problem is with the G5/7/11/15 Mice and keyboard and FEAR
http://forums.vugames.com/thread.jspa?threadID=33244&ts....

For me (G15), It's only really noticeable under Vista (both 32 and 64), but you can see a little of it with XP and in games like Doom3 and HL2, but the affects aren't nearly as bad as Vista and FEAR. (From 120-130 to 39-50) even settign FEAR t the lowest settings, the results barely change.

Easy test is to grab a cheapo PS2 mouse and unplug the G5. In my case, all I have to do is unplug the keyboard and my framerates triple.

According to people who spoke with Viendi's Tech Support, it's something with the way FEAR interacts with the USB ports and demands pure performance. I dunno. All I know is if I have the KB plugged into any USB port it kills performance and that KB won't work the the PS2 port. I have the Logitech meda Keyboard and can plug into the same ports and it works fine.
April 5, 2007 4:24:03 PM

Quote:
Well my sistem is listet in my sig so dont need to write all again.
Is it true that im having slow fps or is it that much ppl lie about
their performance.
Maybe its because i have only 1GB of ddr2 but i hope to get the
answer here.

A little overview:
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. runs at 1024x768 all max without aa or af @ 40 fps
FEAR runs at preety much same max settings witout aa or af @ 1024x768 @ 40-50fps

In 3dmark 06 i get 7240 3dmarks when all settings are at stock but when i
overclock the processor (from 1,86 to 2,97Ghz) i get around 8300 3dmarks.

I expected a little bit more of performance because i see lots of ppl talking
about they running games above 80fps...

Like i said maybe i need 1 gb more of ram so that would be a jump to
where my sis. actually belongs. Hope to get the answer here

Thx to all who help. I appreciate it


u know...my rig is like this:
E6400(stock)
2gb low performance ram 667 5-5-5-15
8800gts 640mb
asus p5nsli
320gb hdd
17' - 1280 x 1024
purepower 250w thermaltake dedicated ps GPU
thermaltake 430w

got 7800 3dmark 06
after mild oc to 2.66mhz got 8300
smooth FEAR n stalker with all max setting 8aa 16anis

well i suggest you to try putting 2gb ram n see ur 3d06 mark

from my opinion ur 3d06 mark is normal,because my fren have rig like this:
PD 3.0 stock
1gb 533 ram
320gb hdd
leadtek 8800gts 320mb

n his score 3dmark06 is 6800...
April 5, 2007 5:04:34 PM

My cpu is stock because if i overclock it i consumes even more power, right?

My readings of the psu are

3,3V ... 5,5V ... +12V ... -5V ... -12V ... +5V
----- ... ----- ... ------ ... ----- ... ------ ... -------
20A ... 25A ... 16A .... 0,5A ... 0,8A ... 2A


under the 3,3V and 5,5V is a value of 160W MAX

under +12V is nothing just a stupid line

under -5V and -12V is a value of 9,6W MAX

and under the last +5V is again nothing just a line

------------------------------------------------------------------
last value is under everything & says 400W


My cam is broken, i would post a pic...

Anyone got smarter after this readings?
April 5, 2007 5:25:00 PM

the amps on your +12v rail is way too low.

you really need a new psu aswell.
April 5, 2007 5:29:06 PM

Well, I agree getting a better PSU is ideal. But Shouldn't he be getting some Crashes to Desktops or BSODs or something other than slow performance in FEAR ?

Also, If I can run FEAR with a AMD 4800+ and X1900XTX and get over 100FPS with all settings to MAX. Why would a E6300 and 8800 perform worse ? He's 1200 points higher in 3Dmark06 then I am

Granted this review is using a QX6800 Cpu, but the X1950XTX is only runnig about 10 fps faster than my X1900XTX, which tells me the CPU isn't that big of a deal in FEAR, at least for the benchamrk
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/03/21/matchless_muscle...

Sure the E6300 won't totally feed the 8800, but he should be getting alot better. Plus he noted in his post he's already push that puppy to 2.9Ghz and gt a 8300 on 3dmark06
April 5, 2007 5:40:45 PM

OMG please dont tell me to turn my pc off and wait for about 1month to buy a new PSU.

I hope i get some money asap and get a better psu, but since i live in croatia my choice is limited to a smaller number of psu-s, and they cost much more then in your countires.

I searched for any psu with more than 30A on a 12V rail and the cheapest one i found is 121€.

Its not easy for me to collect such an amount of money since ive spend all on the other components :(  :cry:  :cry:  :cry: 
April 5, 2007 5:42:18 PM

Well, I'll have to take you're word for it, as I never ran with an under power PSU.

I would just expect more stange behavior from a system that lacks power, espeically when he's overclocking.

Again, if he's PSU specs are right, he's way under powered. Which is why I would expect to hear more of, system crashes, Porn doesn't play right etc etc.
April 5, 2007 5:50:36 PM

Oh geez a 16A PSU trying to power a 8800? 8O You should definitely get a new PSU as soon as you can.

Until then though, you could just find the cheapest graphics card there is so you can at least use your computer (although not for games) until you can get a new PSU. Maybe you could get one used from a computer store for a few €? It doesn't even have to be PCI Express, it can just be some lousy PCI card. Just a thought.
April 5, 2007 5:58:50 PM

Thank u all guys im definitly gonna try to find one shitty graphic card... till i get my new psu.

I will shut down my sistem and wait till i have some money for a decent psu.

Im gonna check here every day... since i have a celeron (lol) at my office.

Again thx to everyone who helped.

Who knows maybe i would lost my comp. without u guys. Thx 10000 times :( 
April 5, 2007 6:05:33 PM

Here is the power supply that I bought for my rig-
I have an 8800gts 640mb with all the bells and whistles and mine doesnt skip a beat.
Its an Enermax Noisetaker EG495P-VE SFMA ATX 12V Ver2.0 485W Power Supply. Adjustable cooling fan, independent 12v rails, and it's an Enermax... cant go wrong. $80 US

Heres the link on Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1681...
April 5, 2007 6:22:50 PM

I say poohie on Enermax ! Actually, that was the first brand of PSUs I ever bought.

But in order to say "Can't go wrong", then you can only mention the PC Powering and cooling line of PSUs. Where else can you spend $500 on a PSU ? And there is just something about saying "I got a kilowatt" that drives all the girls wild !

Not that it would be a cleaner solution, but couldn't he use one of those external power units ? I know one of the big names where selling them
April 5, 2007 6:50:48 PM

I got ripped, I paid $240 my my 510-deluxe back a few years ago ! Maybe I had a bad one, but I wound up taking it out because it made this high pitch sound, and it didn't have a PCI-E connector (which later I found an adapter for)

Here is the external PSU I was thinking of.

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Power/PurePower/w...
April 5, 2007 7:08:46 PM

Scuse me! Just too many tabs open,clicked the wrong one. Too eager to help
April 5, 2007 7:15:22 PM

well Soul, I'd give you credit, but I posted that fix back on the first page. I have the G15 keyboard and have that problem. Though I'll have to run the 3dmark06 test again, I don't recall it making any real difference. Definitely not 2000 points worth.

RobX2, I think the External PSU's where looking good, before all the 650-800+ psu started coming out. And I think when they were first introduced it was a cheaper upgrade then what was available from places like PCPnC. Depending what video card\CPU, I get next, I'm probably going to go the 750W route. I really like the sound of 1KW, but $500 is a tough pill to swallow
April 5, 2007 7:53:14 PM

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I can promise you that plenty of nooblets here will try to get you to purchase some cheap ass $50 psu but just ignore the kids as they dont know any better.


Don't think I didn't hear that. :wink:

I have a similar setup as the OP and I was using a $50 Ultra 500w PSU which did have 28 amps max on a single 12v rail. But Robsx2's hemming and hawing (in a prior thread) did finally convince me to upgrade to a Seasonic-built unit. Haven't noticed a bit of difference since my system was already stable, but I'll admit he's right that peace of mind is worth something too.

EDIT- more detail
April 5, 2007 8:10:50 PM

I have one of those. That Ultra 500w is a good, relatively cheap PSU with some nice juice on the 12v.

I've read a couple reviews of it before buying a while back and don't remember anything negative about them. Never had problems with mine, either.

Still, the Ultra name brand is not associated with the finest quality. But it's been good to me so far, so I won't complain.
April 5, 2007 8:47:23 PM

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I have one of those. That Ultra 500w is a good, relatively cheap PSU with some nice juice on the 12v.

I've read a couple reviews of it before buying a while back and don't remember anything negative about them. Never had problems with mine, either.

Still, the Ultra name brand is not associated with the finest quality. But it's been good to me so far, so I won't complain.


That's exactly my thoughts on the Ultra. But hey, the Seasonic/Antec was only $40 after rebate at CompUSA (normally $95 at Newegg) so I thought what the heck.

I must add I'm very impressed with the efficiency of the 80+ models. My Kill-a-watt readings went from 255 watts down to 220 during heavy gaming with the new unit. I don't know if that's because the 80+ unit is that efficient or the Ultra was just that inefficient. Probably a bit of both, but regardless, much more that I anticipated.

Edit- the power readings given were with the CPU running at stock speed, not the 2.7 that's in my sig.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2007 11:00:25 PM

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Well im still trying to figure out why... u are not much of a help.

And do other ppl agree with that i need a better psu?

You know, I had about two minutes to respond this morning and I was stating the obvious while confirming you are getting less gaming experience than you should with such a nice setup. I knew others with more time would offer help and no harm was meant in the comment.

You should definately get a better PSU for that system, but too little power causes crashes and instability not low framerates. Your CPU, HDD and Optical drives, 8800GTS, and case fans are all pulling off that wimpy 12v rail and I agree with other people, your nuts running such expensive power hungry components on that Power supply.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2007 11:23:28 PM

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Under performing as badly as he is in gaming is one of the signs of a underpowered PSU.

I must say, I am very surprised to see you post that. Can you provide a link that supports this? I honestly doubt it. Seems to be more the mis or un-informed understanding of noobs not that of someone who's been around like you. No offense meant man, I'd just be extremely curious and interested to look over those findings. Power supplies are mega important and can cause or sorts of issues yes, but low framerates on a stable system?
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2007 11:30:39 PM

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You should definately get a better PSU for that system, but too little power causes crashes and instability not low framerates. Your CPU, HDD and Optical drives, 8800GTS, and case fans are all pulling off that wimpy 12v rail and I agree with other people, your nuts running such expensive power hungry components on that Power supply.



Wanna make a bet? I have seen first hand how an underpowered PSU can affect gaming performance and FPS. If a high end GPU like a G80 is being starved for power then it will underperform.

In some occasions the GPU's will not even run at there full clock speeds when being underpowered.

*Sorry there, Crossing replies... didn't see this*

Seriously, You have tested this yourself? Like swapping in a better power supply made a stable system perform alot better? Tell me more. That's honestly very interesting Rob.

I've read quite a bit over the years and have probably a couple hundred builds going for myself over these years, and have never personally seen such a thing nor heard/read it from any credible source. Honestly, I find it facinating and would love to see a test of this.
April 6, 2007 4:59:45 AM

I have to agree with you on this one. A high end graphic card needs all the juice it can get or it under clocks itself thus giving bad performance.


My 8800 was operating like crap , getting a Corsair HX 620 ,50a power supply , noticeable difference in performance almost day and night specially when putting on AA and AF TO HIGH Levels.

Fear showed a considerable improvement :D 

So for the record ROBX2 i agree with your statement

Zapper
April 6, 2007 6:20:05 AM

Ok here is a little list of what ive found in my local stores...

I still think the prices are too much but i have no choice.

1. Thermaltake Toughpower 600W..........107€
2. OCZ GameXStream 600W..................142€
3. SHARKOON Silent Storm 120 600W.....113€
4. TAGAN TG500-U25 500W....................123€
5. SILVERSTONE, Zeus ST65ZF 650W......126€


-----------------------------------------------------------------

I think its a rip off but what else can i do? What do u think of these PSU-s
and which one is the best choice for me since im limited on money very
much right now ...

Thx again to all
April 6, 2007 6:57:04 AM

Your psu is no where near adequite for running that card,nor is your cpu fast enough for optimum performance.I would get a better psu around 600-700watts with at least 30amps on the 12v rail.As for the cpu,I would over clock it to 2.5ghz or more.That cpu should be able to hit 2.9ghz with no problem on air.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 TOLEDO
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7950GT KO IN SLI
4X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD/SAMSUNG 250GIG HD
ACER 22IN WIDESCREEN LCD 1600X1200
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
3DMARK05 13,471
April 6, 2007 7:26:16 AM

hey i live in Croatia to! you have tons of good psu here, try the raptoxx they are cheap but great and chieftec too. 450 raptox runs my evga 8800 gts oc really fine. bok(thats Croatian for hi)
April 6, 2007 8:33:46 AM

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hey i live in Croatia to! you have tons of good psu here, try the raptoxx they are cheap but great and chieftec too. 450 raptox runs my evga 8800 gts oc really fine. bok(thats Croatian for hi)


so you mean if i said BOK all you guys :lol:  it would mean Hi all you guys :D 

So BOK EVERYONE :lol: 
April 6, 2007 9:23:49 AM

yap(it can also mean bye, depend how you use it, when you come its hi or when you go its bye) 8O
April 6, 2007 9:38:18 AM

Oh like Ola in Hawaii -hello-bye :lol: 

ok ola then bok
April 6, 2007 9:59:43 AM

you can buy this psu RT-550psp its around 75$ (450-500kn, as you are already from Croatia) the RT-550psp professional series has a
30A at 12V rail which is more than enough for 8800 gts. You can see who is the distributor for Croatia on that page.
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2007 1:01:48 PM

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Well when I first started building pc's I like any other noob did not understand the importance of a good solid PSU. My first build contained a X1900XT 512mb and I had it paired with an inadequate psu from the get go. This resulted in my games under performing and also resulted in a multitude of system shutdowns.

I went through 2 different cheap dual rail psu's before I finally figured it all out. I finally bit the bullet on a nice single rail silverstone PSU with 38 amps on the 12v rail.

My games were finally where they should be as far as frame rates are concerned and also I had no more system shut downs.


I have heard from quite a few people that the reason for the bad fps with an inadequate psu is because certain GPU's will actually scale back in clock speeds in an attempt to prevent damage.

It must be true because I have experienced this first hand as well as a good friend of mine.

I surely can understand the issues, lockups, shutdowns, reboots, etc. just surprised by lower framerates. SHoot, often the wall people hit trying to OC is because of their power supply, but again that's a stability wall not a lack of 3dmark wall. Like I said, I have never heard that before nor experieced it. It could be that newer cards like you are lucky enough to use down clock without adequate juice, but that's news to me. In the past not enough juice it would lock/freeze , boot ya to the desktop, or the system would restart. I'm not about to stick a 400W powmax in my system to test how the 8800GTS responds, but would be interested in your results if you would run such a test for us. :p 

As far as the OP goes, I just can't imagine such horrible Fear framerates coming from a a lack of power. He seems to be getting less than a X1950 pro. I'd sure like to hear his results if he does nothing but replace the power supply, but it's cruel to ask him to bench that nice rig on that risky PSU for a good comparison. :twisted: Most important for him now is getting the beast performing as it should be.

If you happen upon any discussions or articles about this, let me know as I am interested to give them a read. I had never before heard of a single legitimate case of this happening. (poor performance out of a stable system because of a crappy/underpowered PSU)
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2007 1:11:52 PM

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hey i live in Croatia to! you have tons of good psu here, try the raptoxx they are cheap but great and chieftec too. 450 raptox runs my evga 8800 gts oc really fine. bok(thats Croatian for hi)

I have never heard of raptoxx, but chieftec is a generic isn't it? Anyway, if he wants to feed his system good clean power, and eliminate the possibility the PSU as his problem, then he should go with something like that Silverstone. Seems like a decent price (in comparison) too.
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2007 1:40:30 PM

While I agree, he surely could OC that cpu alot and gain performance, he isn't suffering from a cpu bottleneck limited him to playing fear at 10x7 0xfsaa. Yes, (I should say) it's a totally cpu limited setting he is running for an 8800GTS so he is cpu limited, but a stock X2 3800+ and a 6600GT can get that kind of performance in Fear at his settings. http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTAwMiw5...
He needs to solve other issues and crank the settings up to a reasonable level before thinking about overclocking.
His setup at stock speeds should be doing extremely well in Fear at 12x10 4x/16x, never mind 10x7 no fsaa.
April 6, 2007 7:30:32 PM

Anyone got experience with the raptor or any reviews... i cannot find anything about this PSU. Except on some sites ppl are saying that raptor has the same manufacturer like antec...

The price is very low compared to the other PSU-s so i really dont know. But if its gonna do the job, then im a happy man, because i get 64€ much faster than probably aroud 120€ for a better psu....
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2007 8:30:15 PM

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While I agree, he surely could OC that cpu alot and gain performance, he isn't suffering from a cpu bottleneck limited him to playing fear at 10x7 0xfsaa.


Actually he is being bottlenecked by his CPU because he is playing at such a low res. If he is not going to play at a higher resolution which would somewhat remove his cpu bottleneck and place the burden on the GPU then he needs to OC the hell out of his CPU if he plans to play at 1080X720 res and get decent performance.
Of course, that's why I followed the comment you quoted with the next sentence. " Yes, (I should say) it's a totally cpu limited setting he is running for an 8800GTS so he is cpu limited". What I am trying to say is that he is not limited to playing at 10x7 no fsaa because of the cpu. It would be a joke for anyone to think that a stock e6300 would limit someone to 10x7 no fsaa gaming. He should be able to crank the settings way [/i]beyond those.
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2007 9:10:15 PM

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Well pauldh there is another guy in this thread backing me up on this as he experienced the exact same thing. I dont know if there are articles pertaining to this matter or not but I know its a real issue at least with the GPU's I have dealt with as I have seen it happen first hand.

Im not saying that the underpowered psu didnt cause lock ups or crashes because it also did those things as well.

Yeah and honestly I mean no offense to him in this, but he owns a single 8800GTS and was posting asking for help with issues after getting the beefier power supply. LINK Sorry to say, I don't put any credibility into a single card user commenting on a a fairly new system that is experiencing issues. EDIT: Would you allow me to use his kicking butt comment in this thread to back up a theory that cpu is irrelevent to G80 performance. I mean if an A64 3000+ allows G80 to kick butt right, then that's all the cpu you need he proves my statemtn. :twisted: Sorry, Not picking on him, just using it as an example. Again, no offense meant, just saying it holds little value IMO. I more than welcome anyone speaking up about it as it's worthy of discussion, but you'll surely have to admit that's not alot going for the arguement. Would you listen to a single newegg user review? I tell ya, you get Crash, Cleeve, Ape, or GW to say that they have seen this or read this, and I'll put alot more value into it. But that's based on years of earning my respect with their posts. You have the opportunity to mess with some of the latest and greatest hardware, so your input is also very valuable IMO too Rob. But for fun and to try and back you up, I spent about 20 minutes googling this as I can imagine you may have also, and I am not finding any evidence. Otherwise I'd need more people to confirm it and better yet a repuatable reviewer/site.

I won't doubt that what your saying could happen with G80. But what I am saying is there is a complete lack of any reputable source that confirms your findings. Again, that is not doubting you or taking away from you, just saying I am weighing your comment against years of reading, system buildding experience, and forum talk with other respectable people that goes completetly against that thinking.

Again, based on your findings alone, I won't rule it out as a possibility. You could totally be right. I have only used one G80 on one power supply and its stable as a rock so I haven't swapped power supplies. I'd even throw in a 350W PSU for fun, but even if the system performs identically, that really does little to prove my point as it may just be getting enough juice. But until I see more proof, I will be skeptical that is isn't at best the extreme rare exception as opposed to believing G80 + too little power = lower fps is a common occurance. If it's that simple so be it, I just highly doubt it based on little info. I am the type who either would like to see it as a widely known issue, or I would like to see or do a controlled test showing apples to apples benchmarking where a beefier PSU provides higher fps and out-games a wimpy one. If we can't find that, I have to take your word for it that you have seen it, and you have admit it's extremely rare or at least odd there's no info about it.

For the Op's sake, I hope you are right. I hope a new power supply gives him a ton of performance. I'd like to see him try 12x10 4xaa/16xaf max fear settings but without soft shadows, and see what he gets. But I agree with you, he shouldn't run it on that PSU. Reguardless it sure is a smart move on his end anyway to get a PSU like the Silverstone you mentioned.



OP, sorry if this all seems to overshadow your problem/topic. Discussions like this oftne happen and while important IMO, it's also important that you get help with your system.
April 6, 2007 9:52:17 PM

im having a similar problem with my rig--though its not as mint. I get constant stuttering in my games (like Oblivion, Fear, Stalker). All my drivers are updated and cleanly installed.

I have: AMD x2 3800 (@2.5), 2gig mushkin extreme performance ram (@250mhz) and an 1800xt 512. Stalker runs like a sled. Sweet god what is going on? I can't say off the top of my head what psu I have, but I know for sure it's not a generic 420, I want to say it's 550 or 600.

What tool is the best for reading what my psu is sending out?
April 6, 2007 11:02:47 PM

@Pauldh
Thank u for all ur help, i really appreciate it. In my case i have to think that the psu is the solution because its the only thing i did not thought about when i was buying my components.

Im gonna buy a new one as soon as i get some money and i really hope that this is the solution. I will post here the frames before and after the new psu gets in my comp. I really hope to see an improvement.

Cya
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