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April 6, 2007 8:11:35 AM

Hey guys - there are so many plugged in people here, I never get the chance to be the guys to break the scoop. Maybe that will change with this post. Here is a link to a site with some R600 prices. The R600 looks like a good deal. I'm sorry if this has been posted already but I went back about 24 hours in the Graphics card forum and didnt see it. Good Reading I hope.

http://www.bootdaily.com/index.php?option=com_content&t...

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April 6, 2007 8:21:18 AM

Those are great prices if correct (and if the performance is great as well) however there's just no way to be sure if these are accurate or not.
April 6, 2007 9:52:36 AM

Its a good find, young JEDI :D  :lol: 
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April 6, 2007 10:39:38 AM

Sounds realistic. Of course I'm also sure that those prices would be per 1000 units. It's still highly likely that the debut price on these things will be closer to 600 than 500.
April 6, 2007 11:26:29 AM

A $300 jump between r630 and r600? wtf? That's bad strategy by AMD
April 6, 2007 11:41:18 AM

they seem about right, give or take $50 because of the individual pcb makers, and other goodies that may come with it.
April 6, 2007 11:42:31 AM

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A $300 jump between r630 and r600? wtf? That's bad strategy by AMD


Word.
April 6, 2007 12:20:38 PM

Could somebody do a copy paste of the prices/info?

I can't get the link to work...

thanks.
April 6, 2007 12:27:26 PM

R600 $499.00
R630 XT $199.00
R630 Pro $179.00
R610 $99.00
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2007 12:35:32 PM

*Just thinking out loud *

If top of the line R600 is only $500, with the embeded sound chip and all, it would seem to me performance will not be above the 8800GTX. I mean if such a card was available today, it would be worth an easy $600 if it held the performance crown. I would expect the second best card to be $500 (say an XT) while the best card (XTX) would be $600. Also, no talks of the XL model. I'm hoping there are 3 - X2900's at launch covering the $350, $500, and $600 range.
April 6, 2007 12:39:30 PM

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I'm hoping there are 3 - X2900's at launch covering the $350, $500, and $600 range.

Yea. kinda like with two 8800s.

You can have your choice in a certain price range.

There are also reports that they might release a full line up, including low and mid range cards like X2600.
April 6, 2007 1:41:07 PM

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I'm hoping there are 3 - X2900's at launch covering the $350, $500, and $600 range.

Yea. kinda like with two 8800s.

You can have your choice in a certain price range.

There are also reports that they might release a full line up, including low and mid range cards like X2600.

I wonder how that x2600 will perform, ATI's track record in the mid range sector hasn't been that good since the 9550Pro and the 9600xt!
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2007 1:56:37 PM

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I wonder how that x2600 will perform, ATI's track record in the mid range sector hasn't been that good since the 9550Pro and the 9600xt!

Yeah, the 9500 pro owned the midrange at launch, but it seems since then ATI's initial midrange card lacks, forcing them to put out a late refresh to compete. If you count X1900GT, X1950 pro as midrnage, ATI is owning. But if we just talk about their 600 line ( x600, x1600) then yeah I agree, they play catchup. Right now X1650 pro and X1650XT are nice cards, but they should have released that way back instead of putting X1600XT up against the 7600GT. X1650 competes well, X1600 did not.

I hope the trend stops and that X2600's are a good match for GF8600's. having the GF86xx launch at the same time we will never see a repeat of the 9500 pro. But I hope it's a trade blows situation between them and ATI doesn't start behind and need a X2650 or X2700 to try and get a piece of that market.
April 6, 2007 2:31:38 PM

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*Just thinking out loud *

If top of the line R600 is only $500, with the embeded sound chip and all, it would seem to me performance will not be above the 8800GTX. I mean if such a card was available today, it would be worth an easy $600 if it held the performance crown. I would expect the second best card to be $500 (say an XT) while the best card (XTX) would be $600. Also, no talks of the XL model. I'm hoping there are 3 - X2900's at launch covering the $350, $500, and $600 range.



Pretty good "out loud" thoughts to be sure.

I for one am sort of excited if these prices are true because while Intel is putting the chokehold on AMD for CPU price/performance maybe, just maybe, the ATI part of AMD is attempting to pull the same thing on Nvidia.
If this is the case and it is at least a tiny bit better than the 8800GTX then there might be some at least small price war in GPUs like the current CPU price war. This benefits us, the consumer, in the end so I'm very hopeful this will happen while not holding my breath either.
April 6, 2007 3:01:21 PM

The price may also reflect better yields from the smaller process size. I really can't see this thing getting outpeformed by G80 parts. If that happens....well, AMD will be hurtin' for certain.
April 6, 2007 3:04:40 PM

Very true. If they waited this long and didn't 1up Nvidia it would look pretty bad for them indeed. Just speculation but still a nice idea for us consumers if it were to turn out that way.
April 6, 2007 3:42:07 PM

Wonder if it has 16x AA 16x AF as the 8800's do...
April 6, 2007 3:50:23 PM

6 More months and I'll be pulling the trigger on 1 or 2 of these and an 8 core 4x4 system :D 
April 6, 2007 3:53:03 PM

I am very curious to see some benchies!! Oblivion is going to look sooo pretty!
April 6, 2007 4:52:30 PM

I don't have a g80, plus, 8800 drivers still suck
April 6, 2007 5:23:34 PM

you do not have to own a product to know something about it. and Yes, I am refering to Vista drivers :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
April 6, 2007 5:26:06 PM

Well, what drivers for Vista DON'T suck? Pretty much all of them, it's not like the G80 is alone. It'd be safer and more accurate to say that Vista Driver Support sucks.
April 6, 2007 5:27:22 PM

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A $300 jump between r630 and r600? wtf? That's bad strategy by AMD


There had better be a large difference in performance and features to justify that price difference. We'll never know for sure until actual benches and specifications are published. WHen that happens, who knows? The price difference may be worth it.
April 6, 2007 6:00:11 PM

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Well, what drivers for Vista DON'T suck? Pretty much all of them, it's not like the G80 is alone. It'd be safer and more accurate to say that Vista Driver Support sucks.


true, but ATi seems to have vista drivers down pretty well .....

I just hate buying a product without seeing what the competition has to offer. G80 still doesn't deliver exceptional high res Oblivion performance either.... not that I have seen anyway! Don't get me wrong, if R600 is a flop, I'll buy a G80.

Of course, my x1950 handles everything decently well, Oblivion still puts a chokehold on it at my res
April 6, 2007 11:16:15 PM

I was going by the benchmarks I had seen... like the ones here at toms (which barely have it getting over 30 at 1600x1200 with no AA)

Not once did I take a stab at you, not once did I call you a name! Your e-penis must be growing... I mean, you already have an SLI 8800 GTX setup that costs more then my whole computer put together. There is no way I could justify the kinda cash it takes to run something like that.

I was going by the things I had seen and heard. So what, maybe what I have seen was wrong, or maybe it was posted by noobs. That still gives you no right to attempt to belittle me! Don't talk to me like I am a freakin child!
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2007 1:42:21 AM

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A $300 jump between r630 and r600? wtf? That's bad strategy by AMD


However it depends on how they perform.

This list also doesn't include the crippled R600 offspring like Pauldh mentions, XL, PROs, SEs, etc may be in the offing.

Looking at the early GF8600 performance, if the X2600 is in the same league then there's nowhere for those to go, since the X1950Pro and GF7900GS will cut into the premium you can ask for that level of perofrmance. So either they better get some DX10 apps out fast to justify a different pricing strategy, or else they are going to be strapped by the low side of last generation's the high end cards as to what they can price the mid-range. And considering the GF8800GTX still sells for over $500, then pricing the high end of the R600 @ $500 is taking into account the current reality of the market.
April 7, 2007 2:09:59 AM

I agree. People are just now getting pushed away from cards like the x850 since SM3 required games are just now coming out!!!!
April 7, 2007 2:52:07 AM

If the R600 gets 10% of a performance increase over the 8800GTX, and it only costs $500 it'll be one hell of a card.
April 7, 2007 3:49:57 AM

Quote:
*Just thinking out loud *

If top of the line R600 is only $500, with the embeded sound chip and all, it would seem to me performance will not be above the 8800GTX. I mean if such a card was available today, it would be worth an easy $600 if it held the performance crown. I would expect the second best card to be $500 (say an XT) while the best card (XTX) would be $600. Also, no talks of the XL model. I'm hoping there are 3 - X2900's at launch covering the $350, $500, and $600 range.


What?! Is there actually a sound chip embeded into the R600?!
Let's hope heyyou27 that it does have around a 10% increase or more for the price.
James
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2007 4:56:50 AM

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What?! Is there actually a sound chip embeded into the R600?!


No, there's a Realtek chip on the card, not sound transistors on the R600 chip, despite early talks of VPUs decoding audio.
However that's why the aduio over HDMI is a differentiating feature since Vista requires it for the DRM infected err... protected content, so for HTPCs it's a good feature to consider.
April 7, 2007 6:46:27 AM

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A $300 jump between r630 and r600? wtf? That's bad strategy by AMD


I'm wondering if this might be due to the one using GDDR4 memory and the other using GDDR3 memory. I thought I read somewhere that ATI was going to use GDDR4 memory on the more expenisve segment of their R600 videocards and GDDR3 and the value segment of the product line. Of course, I've been reading a lot of conflicting information about the configuration of the R600 cards so its hard to have confidence about anything.

Rob
April 7, 2007 12:35:16 PM

I am not to confident in this article. If it is accurate, it has to be limited information. ATI would be foolish to release only one version of the R600 at the $500 price point. There is going to have to be a lower price point for the R600. There is a large segment of the market which will not want to spend $500, but will not want to make the step down to the R630. If they only release the $500 R600 a lot of people that were waiting for the R600 XT or Pro or whatever you want to call it will say "I am sick of waiting for ATI" and get a 8800GTS.
April 7, 2007 1:06:25 PM

Ah yes, the mighty DRM. The G80 refresh might very well have a similar feature. And thanks to DRM, the sound can only be output via HDMI.... Woe to the fool who thinks they can watch HD content with audio coming from their nice Xfi.

And even though I know it's not what you meant Ape, I had to chuckle imagining someone buying one of these GIGANTOR cards for a regular HTPC case. You'd need a hacksaw and an imperial gallon of Vaseline to make it fit, and then the included PSU wouldn't even be nearly enough... Oh well, I was planning on just using a tower for my HTPC anyway, I'll hide it back behind the TV somewhere...
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2007 1:21:29 PM

sorry, poor wording on my part.
April 7, 2007 1:55:24 PM

The first r600 is most propably gddr3 version (I think that it was mentioned in one press release). The gddr4 version will become later. (When gddr4 is more affordable...) I think that we will see some price drop with first r600 at the same time.
The second gdd4 ediotion will be priced very close the to G80...
April 7, 2007 2:45:22 PM

R630 XT $199.00 is a great offer. Anyone know how if ATi´s drivers are improved lately (12-18 months) for linux users. I use Ubuntu on my desktop and one hell of bad week getting my X850XT card to work.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2007 3:22:27 PM

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R630 XT $199.00 is a great offer. Anyone know how if ATi´s drivers are improved lately (12-18 months) for linux users. I use Ubuntu on my desktop and one hell of bad week getting my X850XT card to work.

If R630XT is $200 and doesn't outperform a $130 X1900GT, then I wouldn't call it a good offer. It needs to offer almost the performance of a $200 X1950XT to be worthy of that praise. then again if X19xx supply dries up, then these might offer the best bang available for the buck, while having other advantages too.
April 7, 2007 5:38:00 PM

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R630 XT $199.00 is a great offer. Anyone know how if ATi´s drivers are improved lately (12-18 months) for linux users. I use Ubuntu on my desktop and one hell of bad week getting my X850XT card to work.

If R630XT is $200 and doesn't outperform a $130 X1900GT, then I wouldn't call it a good offer. It needs to offer almost the performance of a $200 X1950XT to be worthy of that praise. then again if X19xx supply dries up, then these might offer the best bang available for the buck, while having other advantages too.

The biggest draw for the R630 over a X1900Gt could well be the ability to use DX10. Other than that, I suspect many of the higher 1900-1950 cards would give better performance, especially the XTX models.
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