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April 6, 2007 1:20:58 PM

AMDs new HT3-based chipset has just received PCI-SIG approval, according to sources. This chipset is assumed to be the new QFX chipset while it will also support PCIe 2.0 and GPU Physics.

This is actually good news as they can now test a certified chipset with R600 and Barcelona/Agena.

It doesn't say if it's compatible with Barcelona though so I guess Barcelona may be HT1.0 after all.

At any rate, 790 is up and running and ready to be released.


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April 6, 2007 1:40:22 PM

Interesting, AMD seems to be lacking in the CPU and GPU updates and Innovation. But their Chipsets are kicking ass. The RD690 and RD790 ,R600 based Chipsets are coming out in full force. Only if AMD could show this kind of Enthusiasm in CPU and GPU releases and Annual architecture Restructuring, For Example Intel and their yearly Core Releases Conroe>Penryn>Nehalem
April 6, 2007 2:12:44 PM

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Interesting, AMD seems to be lacking in the CPU and GPU updates and Innovation. But their Chipsets are kicking ass. The RD690 and RD790 ,R600 based Chipsets are coming out in full force. Only if AMD could show this kind of Enthusiasm in CPU and GPU releases and Annual architecture Restructuring, For Example Intel and their yearly Core Releases Conroe>Penryn>Nehalem


Those are coming soon enough and they are planning to do a server shrink in 2008 for Shanghai and Montreal which will be like C2Q, two dies on one package.
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April 6, 2007 2:14:37 PM

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Interesting, AMD seems to be lacking in the CPU and GPU updates and Innovation. But their Chipsets are kicking ass. The RD690 and RD790 ,R600 based Chipsets are coming out in full force. Only if AMD could show this kind of Enthusiasm in CPU and GPU releases and Annual architecture Restructuring, For Example Intel and their yearly Core Releases Conroe>Penryn>Nehalem


AMD has this kind of enthusiasm, but the problem lies in the fact that Intel has a lot more R&D than AMD, so they can afford annual architecture restructuring.
April 6, 2007 2:17:51 PM

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AMDs new HT3-based chipset has just received PCI-SIG approval, according to sources. This chipset is assumed to be the new QFX chipset while it will also support PCIe 2.0 and GPU Physics.

This is actually good news as they can now test a certified chipset with R600 and Barcelona/Agena.

It doesn't say if it's compatible with Barcelona though so I guess Barcelona may be HT1.0 after all.

At any rate, 790 is up and running and ready to be released.


Linkage!

Interesting, so one of the QuadFX Achilles Heels gets rectified.
April 6, 2007 2:30:28 PM

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AMDs new HT3-based chipset has just received PCI-SIG approval, according to sources. This chipset is assumed to be the new QFX chipset while it will also support PCIe 2.0 and GPU Physics.

This is actually good news as they can now test a certified chipset with R600 and Barcelona/Agena.

It doesn't say if it's compatible with Barcelona though so I guess Barcelona may be HT1.0 after all.

At any rate, 790 is up and running and ready to be released.


Linkage!

Interesting, so one of the QuadFX Achilles Heels gets rectified.


I would hope so. At least it's a single chip @ 65nm. That should mean it will be cool. It also only supports 3x PCIe 2.0 x16 and not as many USB or SATA ports.
April 6, 2007 2:52:58 PM

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AMDs new HT3-based chipset has just received PCI-SIG approval, according to sources. This chipset is assumed to be the new QFX chipset while it will also support PCIe 2.0 and GPU Physics.

This is actually good news as they can now test a certified chipset with R600 and Barcelona/Agena.

It doesn't say if it's compatible with Barcelona though so I guess Barcelona may be HT1.0 after all.

At any rate, 790 is up and running and ready to be released.


Linkage!

Interesting, so one of the QuadFX Achilles Heels gets rectified.


I would hope so. At least it's a single chip @ 65nm. That should mean it will be cool. It also only supports 3x PCIe 2.0 x16 and not as many USB or SATA ports.

Only supports? That's quite a monster already.
April 6, 2007 3:06:50 PM

to me the interesting bit about the 790 is that its 65nm, it would appear AMD originally wanted to bring there entire new product range out on 65nm, from chipsets-GPU-CPU, which coincides with AMDs shifting business plan to match more of an Intel style plan. But it seems media, consumer, channel, partner pressure is forcing them to release R600 on 80nm to spoil there 65nm madness sale.
April 6, 2007 3:19:29 PM

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to me the interesting bit about the 790 is that its 65nm, it would appear AMD originally wanted to bring there entire new product range out on 65nm, from chipsets-GPU-CPU, which coincides with AMDs shifting business plan to match more of an Intel style plan. But it seems media, consumer, channel, partner pressure is forcing them to release R600 on 80nm to spoil there 65nm madness sale.


Actually I think Intel is still using 130nm and/or 90nm for its chipsets.
April 6, 2007 3:24:26 PM

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to me the interesting bit about the 790 is that its 65nm, it would appear AMD originally wanted to bring there entire new product range out on 65nm, from chipsets-GPU-CPU, which coincides with AMDs shifting business plan to match more of an Intel style plan. But it seems media, consumer, channel, partner pressure is forcing them to release R600 on 80nm to spoil there 65nm madness sale.


Actually I think Intel is still using 130nm and/or 90nm for its chipsets.


i was more or less referring to dropping a complete change over bomb much like Intel does with new process changes on CPUs. But of course thats just my assumption but i base it off AMD not designing a true 8 core chip and taking the Intel approach of slapping two quad-cores on a die as previously reported.

so take it with a grain a salt
April 6, 2007 3:28:21 PM

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to me the interesting bit about the 790 is that its 65nm, it would appear AMD originally wanted to bring there entire new product range out on 65nm, from chipsets-GPU-CPU, which coincides with AMDs shifting business plan to match more of an Intel style plan. But it seems media, consumer, channel, partner pressure is forcing them to release R600 on 80nm to spoil there 65nm madness sale.


Actually I think Intel is still using 130nm and/or 90nm for its chipsets.


i was more or less referring to dropping a complete change over bomb much like Intel does with new process changes on CPUs. But of course thats just my assumption but i base it off AMD not designing a true 8 core chip and taking the Intel approach of slapping two quad-cores on a die as previously reported.

so take it with a grain a salt

Gotcha. I do think most/all R600 variants are going to be 65nm, though, aren't they?

The MCP approach is just more economical. I don't want to say ignoring it has been silly of them, but it's a cheap way to get a quad-core out the door quickly. It will also be a cheap way to get eight cores out of the way before a new architecture.
April 6, 2007 3:34:10 PM

in there current financial state its the best route to go to recoup lost money.

Its been reported that R600 was delayed for a 65nm shrink, because it was leaking like mad, but a few reports have came saying the GDDR3 variant will be first one to launch at 80nm. But right now its all hear-say until the 16th or 26th I forget which day it is for the R600 family launch party.

I for one am hoping for a 65nm R600 at 170w -vs- the 240w at 80nm.
April 6, 2007 3:45:17 PM

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in there current financial state its the best route to go to recoup lost money.

Its been reported that R600 was delayed for a 65nm shrink, because it was leaking like mad, but a few reports have came saying the GDDR3 variant will be first one to launch at 80nm. But right now its all hear-say until the 16th or 26th I forget which day it is for the R600 family launch party.

I for one am hoping for a 65nm R600 at 170w -vs- the 240w at 80nm.


I doubt the power reduction will even be that good...

GDDR4 @ 65nm should be nice, though.
April 6, 2007 3:53:43 PM

IIRC, AMD has always had less power hungry chipsets than Intel, but this may well be the fault of the Northbridge. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
April 6, 2007 3:58:32 PM

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to me the interesting bit about the 790 is that its 65nm, it would appear AMD originally wanted to bring there entire new product range out on 65nm, from chipsets-GPU-CPU, which coincides with AMDs shifting business plan to match more of an Intel style plan. But it seems media, consumer, channel, partner pressure is forcing them to release R600 on 80nm to spoil there 65nm madness sale.


Actually I think Intel is still using 130nm and/or 90nm for its chipsets.


i was more or less referring to dropping a complete change over bomb much like Intel does with new process changes on CPUs. But of course thats just my assumption but i base it off AMD not designing a true 8 core chip and taking the Intel approach of slapping two quad-cores on a die as previously reported.

so take it with a grain a salt

Gotcha. I do think most/all R600 variants are going to be 65nm, though, aren't they?

The MCP approach is just more economical. I don't want to say ignoring it has been silly of them, but it's a cheap way to get a quad-core out the door quickly. It will also be a cheap way to get eight cores out of the way before a new architecture.

Yeah, it is interesting that they didn't do that for QFX. It might have taken longer but it wouldn't be suffering from NUMA problems with single threaded apps.

But again AMD can't just make new chips the way Intel does. If they decide to use Shanghai it's because they know it will take til 08 to get the MCM package setup for HT3.
April 6, 2007 3:58:46 PM

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IIRC, AMD has always had less power hungry chipsets than Intel, but this may well be the fault of the Northbridge. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.



You are cor-rect. Also doesn't help when nVidia slaps two Northbridge's together to get more PCI-E lanes.

tis a shame ATi chipsets never caught on, from what I read the DFI 3200 mobo/chipset was able to trump nV 4series in the overclocking arena back in its prime (2005?)
April 6, 2007 4:06:50 PM

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in there current financial state its the best route to go to recoup lost money.

Its been reported that R600 was delayed for a 65nm shrink, because it was leaking like mad, but a few reports have came saying the GDDR3 variant will be first one to launch at 80nm. But right now its all hear-say until the 16th or 26th I forget which day it is for the R600 family launch party.

I for one am hoping for a 65nm R600 at 170w -vs- the 240w at 80nm.


From what I heard there are two different models of R600, a 12 inch GDDR3 model at 80nm that is OEM only and the smaller 9 inch version with GDDR4 at 65nm.
April 6, 2007 4:29:09 PM

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in there current financial state its the best route to go to recoup lost money.

Its been reported that R600 was delayed for a 65nm shrink, because it was leaking like mad, but a few reports have came saying the GDDR3 variant will be first one to launch at 80nm. But right now its all hear-say until the 16th or 26th I forget which day it is for the R600 family launch party.

I for one am hoping for a 65nm R600 at 170w -vs- the 240w at 80nm.


From what I heard there are two different models of R600, a 12 inch GDDR3 model at 80nm that is OEM only and the smaller 9 inch version with GDDR4 at 65nm.


thats where all the confusion is at, what I understand is and this is before the whole "its gonna be 65nm, wait there doing 80nm GDDR3 first" stuff came out:
- OEM design is 12in regardless of chip size
- partner/base design is 9.5in
- 2 GDDR4 variants, i think theres only 1 GDDR3 but there may be 2

Since the new reports came out PCB size hasn't changed, just the chip size is the only question still remaining.

EDIT:
Also with the "supposed' die shrink not only is power consumption estimated to drop to 170w-180w, but its also supposedly able to scale to 1ghz core clock. So those early benchmarks we've seen might be 80nm chip which would confirm an 80nm GDDR3 being the first R600 chip released.
April 6, 2007 4:38:43 PM

So people who buy Dell and HP systems would be able to swap out their card almost immediately for a more powerful card that consumes less power?
April 6, 2007 4:47:28 PM

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So people who buy Dell and HP systems would be able to swap out their card almost immediately for a more powerful card that consumes less power?



really depends on the timeline and when a 65nm GDDR4 part comes out, but yea pretty much
April 6, 2007 10:12:58 PM

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in there current financial state its the best route to go to recoup lost money.

Its been reported that R600 was delayed for a 65nm shrink, because it was leaking like mad, but a few reports have came saying the GDDR3 variant will be first one to launch at 80nm. But right now its all hear-say until the 16th or 26th I forget which day it is for the R600 family launch party.

I for one am hoping for a 65nm R600 at 170w -vs- the 240w at 80nm.


From what I heard there are two different models of R600, a 12 inch GDDR3 model at 80nm that is OEM only and the smaller 9 inch version with GDDR4 at 65nm.


thats where all the confusion is at, what I understand is and this is before the whole "its gonna be 65nm, wait there doing 80nm GDDR3 first" stuff came out:
- OEM design is 12in regardless of chip size
- partner/base design is 9.5in
- 2 GDDR4 variants, i think theres only 1 GDDR3 but there may be 2

Since the new reports came out PCB size hasn't changed, just the chip size is the only question still remaining.

EDIT:
Also with the "supposed' die shrink not only is power consumption estimated to drop to 170w-180w, but its also supposedly able to scale to 1ghz core clock. So those early benchmarks we've seen might be 80nm chip which would confirm an 80nm GDDR3 being the first R600 chip released.


Yeah, bu tthe most reliable source I read about said that the reason fo rthe delay was to have ALL of the cards ready, so I assume that means the OEM and retail R600s.

We'll find out supposedly on the 22nd.
April 6, 2007 10:23:34 PM

thats what i say... not like i'm gonna buy a first model anyways, i will wait for the GDDR4 65nm part personally, x1900 is plenty enough for now
April 7, 2007 2:16:39 AM

Now that is funny! :)  :lol: 
April 7, 2007 2:52:03 AM

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Yep.... ready to launch




The problem with making jokes about people is that you have to take a chance on not ending up with your foot in your mouth.

Have you ever noticed that I don't entertain people with "Google Images?"

I wonder why?
April 7, 2007 3:26:39 AM

So do you plan on getting one at launch? or maybe you already have one? How will it compare to your 4x4 system?
April 7, 2007 4:37:15 AM

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Have you ever noticed that I don't entertain people with "Google Images?"

I wonder why?


Because you lack the intellectual capacity to do so.
April 7, 2007 4:55:15 AM

jack...Nice :D 

will shanghai be am3? if so...integrated ddr3 controller and two hopefully large (or maybe not cause maybe amd doesn't really need cache...) L3's...

The mother boards are hopefully going to be cool...i could imagine barcelona intially not being launched with HT3, its designed to be a drop into existing socket f platforms...and hopefully it spanks clovertown that costs 1.1k on newegg right now!!!

q6700 is $970 on newegg now...btw!!
April 7, 2007 5:42:46 AM

its just going to be crazy...i think cpus are going to exceed all possible use for 99% of users...

Shanghai with a future "16 fx" AMDTI board sporting ddr3 and freakin x3900xtx(s) I doubt amd will die in the next year...even though its gonna be tough competition with intel...I'm super excited about these AM2+ Boards...i want one and a 3600 Brisbane....save my money till the cheapo Athlon X4!!
a b à CPUs
April 7, 2007 7:05:31 AM

funny fact - 4x4 - wheres a native amd/ati chipset for it? or is nvidia the only company to support it and ASUS to use it?

and does anyone actually know anyone who actually owns such a rig?
April 7, 2007 7:06:44 AM

From the inq : No news yet on anything like pricing, proprietary features or release date, but after the disaster of RD600, and with Nvidia and Intel strengthening their position with continual new releases, the teams at Austin and Toronto might want to get their skates on. µ
April 7, 2007 7:31:23 AM

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IIRC, AMD has always had less power hungry chipsets than Intel, but this may well be the fault of the Northbridge. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.



You are cor-rect. Also doesn't help when nVidia slaps two Northbridge's together to get more PCI-E lanes.

tis a shame ATi chipsets never caught on, from what I read the DFI 3200 mobo/chipset was able to trump nV 4series in the overclocking arena back in its prime (2005?)

actually, the RD600 in the dfi board kicks ass, its just that thg suck at ocing, lol, ive seen many people going up to 550fsb on it.
April 7, 2007 8:13:14 AM

That was a quote from the inquirer. I followed the release of the rd600, even read some reviews, then it seemed to just dissappear. Im under the assumption as was said before that it underperformed. Having abilities/ goodies from the 790 wont help if it doesnt perform IMHO
April 7, 2007 12:34:45 PM

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Have you ever noticed that I don't entertain people with "Google Images?"

I wonder why?


Because you lack the intellectual capacity to do so.


It's because I would do that IN YOUR FACE. Not from some hidden spot. Like a cowardly little girl.
April 7, 2007 12:36:25 PM

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Baron,

You really should change the subject title to AMD RD790 recieves PCIe 2.0 certification or something like that....

The subject would be worthy of your title "AMD RD790 gets ready to launch" if AMD and partners had reference boards ready sorta like:

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/index.php?option=com_c...

http://64-bit-computers.com/asus-p5k-ws.html

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8091

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=8144

With pictures no doubt.

Look at this, actual DDR3 in a MB:


Better yet ... rename your thread to "AMD appears to be working on RD790, Intel Bearlake MBs shown in pictures" you can use my links. ;) 



You can barely spell or use proper grammar so I wouldn't take anything from you.
April 7, 2007 12:38:59 PM

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funny fact - 4x4 - wheres a native amd/ati chipset for it? or is nvidia the only company to support it and ASUS to use it?

and does anyone actually know anyone who actually owns such a rig?



Yes I know of several people with QFX and this is the next chipset for it.
April 7, 2007 3:21:12 PM

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Poor Baron --- you never get a break.


Well...he is probably right about a variant of it being used in the next set of high-end AMD systems.
April 7, 2007 3:57:54 PM

BaronMatrix is the crazy AMD fan, right?

Anyway, it should be interesting to see how this new chipset competes against Intel's upcoming Bearlake-X chipset (38X, not P35). Which one will offer better CrossFire...
April 7, 2007 4:23:14 PM

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BaronMatrix is the crazy AMD fan, right?

Anyway, it should be interesting to see how this new chipset competes against Intel's upcoming Bearlake-X chipset (38X, not P35). Which one will offer better CrossFire...



Well, I would more so say he's the LEAD AMD fan. This chipset may actually support 4 Xfire boards and AMD always made good chipsets. I'm just waiting to see the server chipset for 16Way.
April 7, 2007 4:29:19 PM

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My fear is that Baron will interpret this as 'see, it was the chipset'.... I can see it coming already.



Why? You just can't admit that I know what I'm talking about? QFX right now is TWO chipsets and a reputable site showed the problems with power usage and with the right drivers and BIOSs it was amazingly lower.

If there are some OEMs breaking the 4GB limit, I'll consider it again. I think I'm going to wait for Agena, though if you're wondering.

And please don't tell me I can't change my mind.[/quote]
April 7, 2007 4:34:35 PM

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Poor Baron --- you never get a break.


Because you have an inferiority complex caused by someone who doesn't care how many of you line up against, you'll all still be beneath me.

I'm sure Jake talked to you about this kind of thing so you don't care about the rules here. You just want to feel like a big man which implies that your actual life has already passed you by.
:oops: 
April 7, 2007 4:54:14 PM

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you'll all still be beneath me.


Congratulations - you've officially graduated to Sharidouche status in my eyes...Beneath you? You aren't worth the dogsh*t in my backyard my sad little friend. And if that gets me banned from this site, oh well...
April 7, 2007 5:19:50 PM

I am under the assumption RD790 is a revised and updated RD600 chipset for AMD processors? Am I wrong here?
April 7, 2007 5:24:48 PM

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Poor Baron --- you never get a break.


Because you have an inferiority complex caused by someone who doesn't care how many of you line up against, you'll all still be beneath me.

I'm sure Jake talked to you about this kind of thing so you don't care about the rules here. You just want to feel like a big man which implies that your actual life has already passed you by.
:oops: 

Oooh, so you had to cry uncle to Jake huh? :p  :p  I could just imagine jake snickering out loud as he had to tolerate actually reading something you wrote... the only good thing is that at least he would know the reply needed to be kept short due to your attention span, and small common monosyllabic words you need to understand are easy to assemble.
April 7, 2007 5:43:58 PM

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Poor Baron --- you never get a break.


Because you have an inferiority complex caused by someone who doesn't care how many of you line up against, you'll all still be beneath me.

I'm sure Jake talked to you about this kind of thing so you don't care about the rules here. You just want to feel like a big man which implies that your actual life has already passed you by.
:oops: 

Oooh, so you had to cry uncle to Jake huh? :p  :p  I could just imagine jake snickering out loud as he had to tolerate actually reading something you wrote... the only good thing is that at least he would know the reply needed to be kept short due to your attention span, and small common monosyllabic words you need to understand are easy to assemble.

Don't waste your effort man, we're all beneath him, remember?
April 7, 2007 7:28:05 PM

OMG, LMFAO you guys are FCUKING HILARIOUS!!! :lol:  :lol: 

I love it.

Baron made in my opinion, a borderline mis info thread although he did say GETS ready not IS ready but i can understand cuz he was excited. THEN it goes pretty well until one flame in hurled at him, and BAM, end of productive conversation, its all out war on baron.... AHHAHAHAHAHA 8)

Funny stuff :wink:

PS. Baron, I think if you just either ignor the taunts but not the constructive criticizm you should be good, but steer clear of the demeaning posts like the one about being above everyone, that usually doesn't get you friends :p 
April 7, 2007 7:34:46 PM

8O Baron has friends?!? 8O
April 7, 2007 7:36:19 PM

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Poor Baron --- you never get a break.


Because you have an inferiority complex caused by someone who doesn't care how many of you line up against, you'll all still be beneath me.

I'm sure Jake talked to you about this kind of thing so you don't care about the rules here. You just want to feel like a big man which implies that your actual life has already passed you by.
:oops: 

BM should be banned for this msg alone.
April 7, 2007 8:02:39 PM

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Poor Baron --- you never get a break.


Because you have an inferiority complex caused by someone who doesn't care how many of you line up against, you'll all still be beneath me.

I'm sure Jake talked to you about this kind of thing so you don't care about the rules here. You just want to feel like a big man which implies that your actual life has already passed you by.
:oops: 

BM should be banned for this msg alone.

He won't be but I'm sure I'll get ganked becaues of my reply...
April 7, 2007 8:06:51 PM

He shouldn't be banned for his comment, it wasn't vulgar nor offensive, it was just plain arrogant and ignorant. Shouldn't have been made

Boduke probably will that was both vulgar and offensive.

we all have a superiority complex over someone as most of you are displaying your superior to BM by some of your comments, tis a fact of life, but a separate issue in its own right
April 7, 2007 8:09:38 PM

who? :?
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