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April 9, 2007 3:50:42 AM

Have a problem with some new hardware, this is my 1st system using PCI-E and I'm baffled here. I recently bought an Epox 9NPA3-SLI along with a EVGA 7300gt card. All seems to be running fine until i noticed in control panel it says card is running at 8x so i checked sandra and it said it was running at 8x, so i checked all my manuals and specs. both card and mobo support 16x with only 1 card running. I flashed bios I tried diffrent drivers. Both graphix and nforce chipset drivers. I'm just looking to get my equip. performaning at the level it should. I mean its comparable to buying car with a supposed 8 cyclinder engine only to find out its only a 4 banger. Plz help appreciated in advance.

Epox 9NPA3-SLI
AMD 3800+ X2
2 Gig Pc 3200 Dual Channel Kingston

And a PCI-E Headache

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April 9, 2007 3:15:56 PM

while I appreciate ur advice, I'm not one 2 pay for something not be able to get what i paid for and then roll over and say no big deal.. what kind of world would we live in if ppl gave up that easy... and u know what else? I play some old microsoft games like mtm2 where ur video is ur life, anyways guess I'll go look elsewhere for help... Dont worry about it LOL would u buy a Dodge Viper that only goes 50 MPH.. no didnt think so. so when ur system is on the fritz just remember hey dont worry about it.. do you think you will be satisfied with "dont worry about it when its ur comp..?
April 9, 2007 3:28:37 PM

Lol, Well all he is saying that you bought a car that can only go 70mph and your complaining that the speed limit is 100mph!
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April 9, 2007 3:46:29 PM

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Lol, Well all he is saying that you bought a car that can only go 70mph and your complaining that the speed limit is 100mph!

i just have to say that is one big "LOL"
April 9, 2007 3:57:54 PM

listen icy18 u asshole i'm getting pissed now i came 2 this forum for help not to be told i'm crying, AND THE BOTTOM LINE IS ITS MY SYSTEM I PAID FOR IT AND IT SHOULD DO WHAT THE SPECS SAY... NO? UR AN IDIOT AND IF U ARE THE KINDA PERSON THAT ROLLS OVER THAT EASY THEN UR A LAME EXCUSE OF A HUMAN BEING. NOW DONT TELL ME YOU WOULDNT BE ASKING FOR HELP IF IT WAS YOUR COMPUTER AND LASTLY FOR ALL THOSE WHO DIDNT REPLY WITH SHIT. I'M SORRY FOR FLAMING, CAPS, AND SWEARING, BUT THIS IS ABSOULTELY ABSURD. I CANT AFFORD A 8800 LIKE SOME OF U PRIX AND I WANT BEST OUTTA WHAT I HAVE. ICY18 IF YOU AINT GOT NO HELP AND U GONNA SAY I'M CRYIN( WHICH I DONT UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I PAID FOR SOMETHING AND I WANT IT 2 WORK LIKE IT SHOULD) THEN DO US A FAVOUR AND STFU... LIKE I SAID 2 OTHER GUY U WOULD BE BITCHING 2 IF IT WAS UR SYSTEM. BOTTOM LINE I CAME HERE FOR HELP NOW IF U JUST GONNA SAY QUIT BITCHING THE F**K OFF, BETTER YET U GO DROP 100 BUX, I LIVE IN CANADA SO ITS MORE EXPENSIVE HERE THAN USA, AND THEN NOT BE SATISFIED, AND ON TOP HAVE SOME LIL PRICK TELL ME QUIT WHINIHN, BUDDY UR LUCKY I CANT SEE U RIGHT NOW I'D BREAK UR NOSE, 1ST FORUM I'VE BEEN IN WHERE PPL TOLD ME DONT FUCKEN WORRY, INSTEAD OF OFFERING SUGGESTIONS, U GUYS MAKE ME SICK. IF U GOT NO HELP DONT POST. THAT SO HARD 2 UNDERSTAND? O YEA I'M IN A FORUM WHERE MOST EVERY1 HERE THINKS THEIR WAY IS ONLY WAY AND PISS ON EVERY1 ELSE.
April 9, 2007 4:04:08 PM

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What are you using the card for? If you are just using for a home theater build, then I wouldn't worry about it, because I agree with mpilchfamily that the 7300gt won't make use of the bandwidth anyways and for a home theater pc, all you need is something to display the image, because I hope you aren't trying to play games on it


lol then I probably shouldn't still be playing games with my Geforce MX 4000, woops =P
April 9, 2007 4:09:01 PM

yes i use this cpu only for games i use my other with a radeon 9800se for movies, and why is it that i shouldnt use a 512 ddr2 7300gt to play games? my last card was the 9800se, the geforce is a huge step up for me.. or once again am i stuck in a place where every1 thinks u need 2 drop 500 bux every 3 months. so please explain to me in detail wtf is wrng with this card. because i'm only getting more frustrated here. i asked for help and i'm ebing redirected in other ways. so far no1 has heeded the subject line which was PCI-E stuck on 8x.... it WAS NOT PCI-E okay to run on 8x. i'll say 1 more time if u cant offer a valid explaination with something 2 back it up other than a personal opinion plz dont even bother responding... AND FOR THE LAST TIME I WILL SAY. I'M LOOKING FOR HELP NOT IT DOESNT MATTER OR U GOT A GARBAGE CARD.. OPINIONS ARE LIKE A$$HOLES EVERY1 HAS 1 AND I'M ASKING FOR HELP NOT 2 BE SHIT ON
April 9, 2007 4:15:49 PM

I'm gonna come out and say what everyone is thinking. Your a complete idiot.
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2007 4:29:53 PM

Ok a quick google search came up with this.
http://www.epox.com.tw/eng/products_content.php?ps=390

It does NOT say PCI express 16x. It says "Two PCI Express VGA slot configured as [x8] + [x8] for Single VGA mode and SLi technology mode."

SO, before whining and bitching, try to get YOUR information straight first.
April 9, 2007 4:30:11 PM

Is there a little card between the two 16x slots, if there is turn it around and see if it works then.
April 9, 2007 4:32:51 PM

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I'm gonna come out and say what everyone is thinking. Your a complete idiot.


lmao i'd have to agree

I mean come on you're rudely asking for help, least you could do is laugh with us and agree that you bought a kia expecting a mercedes (yeah sorry for another car analogy)

if you're really low on money you should really do your research on cards.

heres a good site for card comparisons.

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=202&card2...

-edit-

p.s. you whine like a baby
April 9, 2007 4:33:45 PM

u go ahead and say i'm an idiot but bottom line is i just found out my mobo is defective, games freezing etc. put my card in my neighbors pc and bang 16x so bottom line whos the idiot? u dickheads o yea no problem... that is called assumption u all assumed u each new the best course without even looking closely... so jump 2 the end result, all u know whats best right? u dix dont even have a clue man. faulty mobo here and all i was told was ur card is 2 small.... THNX 4 the help guys... nice problems solving skills, bunch of forum bunnies here, balding losers that spend more time in forum than with actual human beings or else this woulda been a helpful discussion. i guess i'm the idiot for having a 2 day old system and scrutinizing it to make sure its good rather than settle with it.. lol u read my last sentence and u tell me whos the idiot, no repsonse no ?'s.... just ur card is garbage.. nice work boys... FAULTY MOBO found prob myself and got really angry dealing with bunch of stuck up, my rig is better than urs, dont buy that its garbage, computer losers, that wouldnt take 5 mins to look at problem, to u guys i bought shit and am an idiot. BUT IN THE END IT WAS FAULTY HARDWARE NOW 16X OR 8X SET ASIDE WOULD ANY OF YOU WANNA RUN FAULTY HARDWARE? YEA THATS RIGHT, so real idiots here are those who jump to conclusions and dont give it that extra 50% go find another hobby u insociable prix. LOL dont worry about it just keep on using a faulty mobo that can still be exchanged lol. this brings such a smile to my face(CLOWNS)
April 9, 2007 4:41:23 PM

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u go ahead and say i'm an idiot but bottom line is i just found out my mobo is defective, games freezing etc. put my card in my neighbors pc and bang 16x so bottom line whos the idiot? u dickheads o yea no problem... that is called assumption u all assumed u each new the best course without even looking closely... so jump 2 the end result, all u know whats best right? u dix dont even have a clue man. faulty mobo here and all i was told was ur card is 2 small.... THNX 4 the help guys... nice problems solving skills, bunch of forum bunnies here, balding losers that spend more time in forum than with actual human beings or else this woulda been a helpful discussion. i guess i'm the idiot for having a 2 day old system and scrutinizing it to make sure its good rather than settle with it.. lol u read my last sentence and u tell me whos the idiot, no repsonse no ?'s.... just ur card is garbage.. nice work boys... FAULTY MOBO found prob myself and got really angry dealing with bunch of stuck up, my rig is better than urs, dont buy that its garbage, computer losers, that wouldnt take 5 mins to look at problem, to u guys i bought **** and am an idiot. BUT IN THE END IT WAS FAULTY HARDWARE NOW 16X OR 8X SET ASIDE WOULD ANY OF YOU WANNA RUN FAULTY HARDWARE? YEA THATS RIGHT, so real idiots here are those who jump to conclusions and dont give it that extra 50% go find another hobby u insociable prix. LOL dont worry about it just keep on using a faulty mobo that can still be exchanged lol. this brings such a smile to my face(CLOWNS)


lmao i love this guy..... brilliant

its rare to have people like him... we should all applaud
a c 155 U Graphics card
April 9, 2007 4:42:16 PM

Hmmm.. You must have missed the reply above that states your motherboard will run each PCI-E VGA slot at x8 (regardless of single or dual cards). Nothing wrong with your card. Nothing wrong with your motherboard. Working as designed.

-Wolf sends
April 9, 2007 4:43:19 PM

not gonna joke with ppl that attacked me first when i asked for help, ORANGEGATOR, thnx man i did search google and didnt find that. but in my manual it says 2 pci-e x16 connectors.. thats what lead me 2 believe i was having problems, and i did search google for 3 1/2 hours i dont do hardware i do software. Now thnx 2 gator helping and rest of who chose to say who cares without even looking for a solution, why should i be decent, have u not ever been at ur wits end just need a lil help, and some1 walks by says dont worry bout it and u snap back? yea were all human, so u can all keep bashing me or u can all start 2 admit that u've all had ur days 2, upside no faulty mobo just shitty advertising on tigerdirect.ca led me to believe something else.. thnx again for 2-3 ppl that took the time and helped. rest o ya FRICK OFF I GOT WORK 2 DO
April 9, 2007 4:46:20 PM

Ok! I looked up this mobo and it says it's configured 8x for both slots for ether single or SLI.
April 9, 2007 4:48:15 PM

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not gonna joke with ppl that attacked me first when i asked for help, ORANGEGATOR, thnx man i did search google and didnt find that. but in my manual it says 2 pci-e x16 connectors.. thats what lead me 2 believe i was having problems, and i did search google for 3 1/2 hours i dont do hardware i do software. Now thnx 2 gator helping and rest of who chose to say who cares without even looking for a solution, why should i be decent, have u not ever been at ur wits end just need a lil help, and some1 walks by says dont worry bout it and u snap back? yea were all human, so u can all keep bashing me or u can all start 2 admit that u've all had ur days 2, upside no faulty mobo just shitty advertising on tigerdirect.ca led me to believe something else.. thnx again for 2-3 ppl that took the time and helped. rest o ya FRICK OFF I GOT WORK 2 DO

going off topic:

i'm sorry you feel that way, but you're expecting service from individuals that aren't getting paid to help you. It's like going to a library and asking people to help you on your term paper.
Now if the company you bought it from talked to you in this manner then I'd be more understandable.
April 9, 2007 4:50:58 PM

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u go ahead and say i'm an idiot but bottom line is i just found out my mobo is defective, games freezing etc. put my card in my neighbors pc and bang 16x so bottom line whos the idiot?
You, because your card being limited to 8X in your motherboard has nothing to do with the mobo being defective, it is the normal limit of your motherboard. Bottom line is, you bought a PCI-Express 8X motherboard and you come complaining that it cannot run at 16X although it does not support that speed and anyway that bandwidth would change nothing in performance so it's not like you were losing any even hypothetical performance.
a b U Graphics card
April 9, 2007 5:06:04 PM

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not gonna joke with ppl that attacked me first when i asked for help, ORANGEGATOR, thnx man i did search google and didnt find that. but in my manual it says 2 pci-e x16 connectors.. thats what lead me 2 believe i was having problems, and i did search google for 3 1/2 hours i dont do hardware i do software. Now thnx 2 gator helping and rest of who chose to say who cares without even looking for a solution, why should i be decent, have u not ever been at ur wits end just need a lil help, and some1 walks by says dont worry bout it and u snap back? yea were all human, so u can all keep bashing me or u can all start 2 admit that u've all had ur days 2, upside no faulty mobo just shitty advertising on tigerdirect.ca led me to believe something else.. thnx again for 2-3 ppl that took the time and helped. rest o ya FRICK OFF I GOT WORK 2 DO


I don't want to kick someone when they're down (though some deserve it) and I do appreciate the thanks, I'll say this.
It took me all of 5 seconds to type "Epox 9NPA3-SLI" into google and find the answer. The link was the FIRST search result. Soooo, anyone who's trying to talk some sense or whatever into this guy, keep this in mind.

3.5h search = nothing
5sec search = answer
April 9, 2007 5:06:12 PM

Yes from 1X to 16X there will be a difference because the card is certainly bottlenecked at 1X. But if 8X is already enough bandwidth, which is the case for the 7300GT, then there's really nothing to gain from additionnal bandwidth. Although I think your 4% is still plausible, in some situations.
April 9, 2007 5:06:38 PM

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I agree with most of that, the thing I disagree with though is that bandwidth does make a difference, but not that much. My friend with a 7900gs had his stuck at x1 for some reason. After a bios flash he got it up to x16, but his performance barely doubled, it didn't go up 16 times like that fool hulio keeps thinking. So if a card that is 5 times as powerful (at least, probably more like 6) only got a 45% overall gain (percentage of final performance), then you could barely expect an 8% gain from x1 to x16 on the 7300gt, with that in mind, you'd be getting roughly a 4% gain on the 7300gt, so since that card isn't that powerful, that ends up with that fool getting all worked up about for 1 fps in tetris. Part that bothers me isn't that he keeps trying to prove me wrong, but his attitude, I don't mind if some one tries to disagree in a polite and reasonable fashion, but him telling me to fcuk off is pushing it


hey don't worry i love tacos too ok we all love tacos
April 9, 2007 5:06:54 PM

Well as I said before I am Human and I do snap back just like every else has done in their life, put yourself in my shoes and yes this is free help, Thunder u can say K By Thnx all u want man, now that i've gotten somewhere I'm all cooled off. You have no space in my head man, only thing that did was what i thought was a faulty mobo or g card. Not only can I admit I was a lil hot, I can also say I was outta line 2 some ppl I dont even know, With that i apologize. Really gottta say 2 buy a new system and 2 days later have some1 tell u that u got junk is tuff 2 take. especially when its all i can afford. Co2 ur last point was valid and I appreciate it 4 what it is.
April 9, 2007 5:09:41 PM

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Well as I said before I am Human and I do snap back just like every else has done in their life, put yourself in my shoes and yes this is free help, Thunder u can say K By Thnx all u want man, now that i've gotten somewhere I'm all cooled off. You have no space in my head man, only thing that did was what i thought was a faulty mobo or g card. Not only can I admit I was a lil hot, I can also say I was outta line 2 some ppl I dont even know, With that i apologize. Really gottta say 2 buy a new system and 2 days later have some1 tell u that u got junk is tuff 2 take. especially when its all i can afford. Co2 ur last point was valid and I appreciate it 4 what it is.


awww man stop you're making me feel all cuddly inside its too gooey eww make it stop
April 9, 2007 5:25:47 PM

Last post, as I didnt understand where you guys where coming from the same thing goes, for what i was talking about.as for the google search I was searching for pci-e stuck on 8x, which would explain why i couldnt find any answers. I have my mobo book here now brand new it says and I am typin this letter 4 letter 2 pci-e x 16 connectors compliant with pci-express. this lead me 2 believe there was a problem. I DONT CARE ABOUT THE SIZE MY CARD OR WHAT U GUYS THINK ABOUT IT. I was worried my mobo was focked, I'm not lookin to get 1000 fps on HL2 with this system lol I was concerned something was defective and being I have already apolgized, there is nothing left to say. I misunderstood what my mobo manual says and I did go to epox but only for a bios update as I didnt feel I need to look the spec sheet for my mobo up online, but once again those bastards who like 2 word things in such a way in which they can be misconstrued, really made a mess of my manual. in fact the site is easier to read get and retain than my manual. Tacos u can be a pissed of as you want man I didnt come here for a lesson in bandwidth and what perfomance %'s u gave me. I came here hoping it was a quick fix, which it was. Gator i appreciate ur help man but I'm no slouch like i said i have the manual why would i goto epox spec sheet. I did visit their troubleshooting to no avail... I dont know i guess if it was that simple and guys like Taco know so much why didnt any1 just say off the hop are u sure its 16x and not 8x I did say in 1st post this is complete new sys 2 me. Bottom line when I feel attacked I attack just like others. So call me stupid call me and Idiot call me whatever you want but in the end I GOT WHAT I WANTED, THE ANSWER TO MY PROBLEM! Shame though the means of getting it dont fit the end.
April 9, 2007 5:30:32 PM

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Well, if you wanted to, you could have asked people to customize a build for you that fits within your budget (sorry to tell you this, but I actually think the 9800 is a better card, as the 9800pro is on 6600gt levels), as I do that for plenty of people

You're a good person, you just need to think a bit cooler at some times, and I know how annoying it is to spend money on something that's out dated, but there's really nothing you can do about that, at least you got a dual core cpu, which should help in multithreaded games. Perhaps getting 1gb of ram instead of two with a 7600gt would have been the smarter choice, but ohh well, live and learn (then you buy tacos :mrgreen: )


F*ckin taco guy man I love you
April 9, 2007 5:36:53 PM

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Umm, I'm afraid to know for what reasons :lol:  But seriously, is it the whole tacos thing, or just my attitude and such?


oh no reason its just i should go to sleep because i'm running on nothing but my endorphins.... (its really just an excuse) bleh i'm going to go get some sleep before i end up telling hulio that he reminds me of the hulk
April 9, 2007 5:44:32 PM

Co2 you dont wanna make me angry, u wouldnt like me when i'm angry LOL THE HULK, hahaha u guys have a good 1 peace out
April 9, 2007 5:51:34 PM

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Where do you live then? Here in my part of the US it's just 1:30 in the afternoon


here in my part of the us its 10:51 AM

but aka i worked from 10PM to 6AM graveyard so there goes your answer

Znore....

Goodnight
April 9, 2007 5:56:21 PM

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I have my mobo book here now brand new it says and I am typin this letter 4 letter 2 pci-e x 16 connectors compliant with pci-express. this lead me 2 believe there was a problem.


COMPLIANT means "COMPATIBLE WITH!" The two PCI-E 8X slots will SUPPORT PCI-E 16X. They are Hardware PCI-E 16-sized. Nowhere does the MB's manual say that it RUNS at 16X. So even the manual was accurate, further reason for you not to have gone off half-cocked.
April 9, 2007 6:06:25 PM

Busted Sony you are about 1/2 hour out of touch this has been hashed and dealt with and now u are gonna argue with me when I say I WAS WRONG I MISUNDERSTOOD I MADE A MISTAKE.. that good enugh for you? the whole dam thing was a mistake now just move on 2 the next post do whatever it is u do, I have no more time 2 fight here. I FOCKED up. Maybe u are a little slow like me but as i said before i do software NOT hardware , and my book says letter 4 letter 2 pci-e x 16, which i misunderstood.. but if u look at epox site it says....

Two PCI Express VGA slot configured as [x8] + [x8] for Single VGA mode and SLi technology mode. So yea i focked up and if u would read everything here u would see i admitted it and the problem is understood by all here. So u can come and tell me not 2 go off 1/2 cocked but buddy. let he without sin cast 1st stone. Your no focking prince man and ur startin up a thread again that was done... I guess I'll do what every1 else here has done and leave this thread be for ppl who cant hold their own 2cents and feel they need 2 come here and bash me more even after I ADMITTED being wrong apologizing and sayin i was sorry.. Guess u have never made a mistake or misunderstood anything. Dam i wish i was perfect cuz this wouldnt be happening
April 9, 2007 6:09:43 PM

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I have my mobo book here now brand new it says and I am typin this letter 4 letter 2 pci-e x 16 connectors compliant with pci-express. this lead me 2 believe there was a problem.


COMPLIANT means "COMPATIBLE WITH!" The two PCI-E 8X slots will SUPPORT PCI-E 16X. They are Hardware PCI-E 16-sized. Nowhere does the MB's manual say that it RUNS at 16X. So even the manual was accurate, further reason for you not to have gone off half-cocked.

ah you a little late there buddy the hulio attack wars is over

anyway tacos i work at that job just so i can purchase my new system, bought a x2 6000 and 8800gtx

i'm all good to go
April 9, 2007 6:10:53 PM

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Busted Sony you are about 1/2 hour out of touch this has been hashed and dealt with and now u are gonna argue with me when I say I WAS WRONG I MISUNDERSTOOD I MADE A MISTAKE.. that good enugh for you? the whole dam thing was a mistake now just move on 2 the next post do whatever it is u do, I have no more time 2 fight here. I FOCKED up. Maybe u are a little slow like me but as i said before i do software NOT hardware , and my book says letter 4 letter 2 pci-e x 16, which i misunderstood.. but if u look at epox site it says....

Two PCI Express VGA slot configured as [x8] + [x8] for Single VGA mode and SLi technology mode. So yea i focked up and if u would read everything here u would see i admitted it and the problem is understood by all here. So u can come and tell me not 2 go off 1/2 cocked but buddy. let he without sin cast 1st stone. Your no focking prince man and ur startin up a thread again that was done... I guess I'll do what every1 else here has done and leave this thread be for ppl who cant hold their own 2cents and feel they need 2 come here and bash me more even after I ADMITTED being wrong apologizing and sayin i was sorry.. Guess u have never made a mistake or misunderstood anything. Dam i wish i was perfect cuz this wouldnt be happening


ah nm busted sony you just gone and riled up the hulk again
April 9, 2007 6:11:16 PM

I read the whole thread. I was just pointing out that what you took to mean "PCI-E X16"was in fact a statement otherwise. A point that hadn't been brought up.
April 9, 2007 6:16:02 PM

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not gonna joke with ppl that attacked me first when i asked for help, ORANGEGATOR, thnx man i did search google and didnt find that. but in my manual it says 2 pci-e x16 connectors.. thats what lead me 2 believe i was having problems, and i did search google for 3 1/2 hours i dont do hardware i do soft....
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Isn't everyone who uses computers a "software" guy?

Anyway you mentioned that the motherboard was defective and the game was crashing.

1.) Cant really tell you that over the internet w/o just guessing
2.) if the game is crashing, the 8x/16x isnt your issue.
April 9, 2007 6:21:46 PM

Take it back then buy a new one. How long ago you get the e6600


FYI: Everything you buy (tech wise) will drop in price as soon as you buy it. That is the rule of thumb.
April 9, 2007 6:24:20 PM

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Man, I wish you would have talked to me about buying the 6000, because that just dropped $200 today and also still gets demolished by the cheapest conroes, I really like the upcoming e4400, that's totally my cpu of choice right there, cheap, highly overclockable, and still outperforms the ol' 3,8ghz p4s :D 


ehehehehhe no worries my friend no worries

i bought it right when it hit that mark I'm the one who declared newegg out of stock

Don't worry i make sure to do my research =D
April 9, 2007 6:25:12 PM

hey u mofos wanna post somewhere else lol u guys are filling up my inbox with reply emails from here......

Taco, Co2 u guys have a good one, thnx for putting up wit my sh*t

rest o you who still coming talkin trash take a hint LEAVE i did
April 9, 2007 6:32:24 PM

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hey u mofos wanna post somewhere else lol u guys are filling up my inbox with reply emails from here......

Taco, Co2 u guys have a good one, thnx for putting up wit my sh*t

rest o you who still coming talkin trash take a hint LEAVE i did



Did you tell me to leave? Oh no you di'nt.

This may be your thread, but this is not your turf. Freedom of speech here and if you start acting like a jack00F then people will treat you that way, regardless of how helpfully they normally are.

YOU didn't answer my question. Read .
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