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Samsung 226BW, only choice in 22"

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April 10, 2007 6:29:26 PM

I was about to buy samsung's 226bw when I realized the different two panels in the market. As most of you knew the reviewers got the S-panel hence I can no longer buy that LCD by looking at those reviews.

This is a big dishonesty of samsung. How can such a big firm allow that to happen? No matter how small the difference(I think contrast and bleeding are serious problems though).

I'm planning to buy an 22" lcd from newegg now, most of the customers buying the 226bw lately got the S panel. But It's still a gamble moreover they don't accept returns on LCD. Should I gamble buying it from newegg?

Is 226bw the best 22" LCD right now? Can smbdy say even if I got the A panel it would be superior from its competitors?

Finally what other models, brands can you suggest on an 22"...

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April 10, 2007 6:59:05 PM

I bought the 226BW from newegg about a month ago and received an S panel. It has some backlight bleed but isn't really that noticeable. I think that's the only con. From what I've read, subjective reviews of the A panel say that it's worse than the S panel. It may just be bitter reviewers who expected $800 LCD quality from a 22" panel. I imagine that they're roughly the same.

Another thing of note is that both panels should be calibrated before judgment is passed. Some surmise that the S panel has better calibration out of the box than the A panel. This may represent some of the complaints about the A panel.

I'd say take the gamble. The screen is beautiful imo. Going from a 19" LCD to a 22" LCD makes a world of difference, especially if your game natively supports widescreen.
April 10, 2007 7:12:25 PM

There have been lots of reports about the A panel being inferior, but a lot of this was incorrect and seems to be that out of the box the S panel looks stunning whereas the A panel needs to have the settings tweaked, backlight bleed occurs on both panels.

I got mine last month( not from newegg, im in europe ), anyway its the S panel, and what can i say only its truely stunning, gaming and watching movies look amazing, i dont notice the backlight bleed( slight bit at the top ) when the lights are of, but i dont game or watch movies on it with the lights off anyway and it doesnt distort colour in normal lighting conditions

I had a HP v19 beforehand, and the difference in colour,resolution and refresh is just amazing, ohh and you can configure all the settings in XP by downloading MagixTune Premium which i thought was cool, best screen ive used in a long time

As for Samsungs dishonesty, not really, a lot of panel manufacturers do this when they dont have enough panels to satisfy demand

i wrote this in another forum just after getting it as there were a few interested in the panel:
"Good points:
great resolution( 1680 x 1050 obviously makes a big change in surfing etc. )
games that support widescreen look amazing
Absolutely no ghosting, 2ms rockin
Default setup for the screen is spot on( A version requires a bit of tinkering to get it setup correctly )
Colour is extremely vibrant

Bad points:
Slight light bleed or whatever you call it at the top of the screen, really only noticable on black screens/darker images and in the dark, its similar to e.g. 19" TFT showing being off center, right or left is brighter
DVD's scaled up look like crap by default in media player 11, had to change to VLC and they look great now
Not completely black when a black image is being shown( i.e. turning the lights off you can see the glare, unless you play in the dark its not an issue )

Overall:
Spot on to be honest, the negatives are neglible unless you play in the dark and expect full black, if thats the case then this isint the screen, otherwise great screen"

As for other brands to consider check the LG20 or LG22, although reading around the interweb its generally considered that the samsung is better, but check it out yourself
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April 10, 2007 9:00:54 PM

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As for Samsungs dishonesty, not really, a lot of panel manufacturers do this when they dont have enough panels to satisfy demand


I aggree that lots of manufacturers use this method and there is nothing wrong with it. The problem is there are significant differences between the products under the label 226bw and this is not acceptable. The firm has to check the quality of the products no matter what factory it is made in. Moreover the reviewers got the S panels.

here are 2 pictures posted on some other forum:

The S panel:

http://img412.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0798wz0.jpg


The A panel:

http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0797kt3.jpg


Yes S panel is not a great performer in terms of backlight bleeding but it is much better compared to the A panel. Especially the bleeding on the edges are annoying. I wonder if the reviewers give 226bw same points if the sample was an A panel...
April 10, 2007 9:20:59 PM

I just bought the LG L226wt for $339.00 and I love the monitor. 2 ms responce 3000:1 contrast ratio, 300 nits. I was very impressed with it.

I have not use the Samsung so I can not coment on it. I hope this helps with alternative options.
April 10, 2007 9:43:51 PM

i was in the exact same boat as you guys, so its kinda a lottery( but A hasnt been proven to be drastically inferrior ), i read reviews of the LG20 & 22" also and the slow refresh of the viewsonic didnt convince me all i can say is im very impressed with the S i got and enjoy a lot of BF2 on it but its killing my old x850 pro lol, hopefully ill get my new build with my 7800GTX up and running soon :twisted: , not tyring to sway any decisions out there, just giving my impression, go with whichever suits your needs for your price, widescreen rox though :) 
April 10, 2007 10:03:19 PM

Well guys I bought 2 samsung 206BW's the 20" model from Circuit city Monday after the Superbowl I did not hear about the A/S panel stuff until last week. I looked and found out I had 2 A panels. BUT I can't complain cause I got them at $239 each. Seems someone in corporate entered the price wrong. Mine worked fine out of the box with no overbleed. Not a 22" which are georgeous but my next ones will be 24"

FYI - I did some research into these new widescreen monitors and came up with this

The 19" WS are basically the old 17" stretched from 1024x768 to 1440x800
The 20" WS are basically the old 19" stretched from 1280x1024 to 1680x1050 fine pixel
The 22" WS are basically the old 20" stretched from 1600x1200 to 1680x1050/medium pixels
The 24" WS are basically the old 21" stretched from 1600x1200 to 1920 x1200


20" great for viewing photos 22" better if text are involved same as the 4:3 panels.. I use my 20" for financials charts so they do the job. Next logical step is 24" or 27" for me.
April 10, 2007 10:08:05 PM

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The 22" WS are basically the old 20" stretched from 1600x1200 to 1680x1050/medium pixels

i dont know if im understanding what you mean, but the 22" is the same height as a 19" but obvoiusly wider, 20" have a higher DPI than 22 inch panels due to the fact that they are smaller but res id the same( horizontal ) but obviously they gain also in vertical resolution, however as hardly any 19" ers are 1600x1200 it means that the 20" will be largre in size vertically
a b Ô Samsung
April 10, 2007 10:21:46 PM

If I were to buy a 22" LCD, I would probably get the Dell E228WFP. I don't believe there is any "panel lottery" yet with this monitor.

The reason why I would consider the Dell is because it is a fast TN panel without the need to use overdrive technology. All other 22" LCD monitors uses overdrive to lower response times which is generally bad for color accuracy. TN panels naturally are bad for color accuracy, overdrive just makes them worse.

Here's a review of the Dell:

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2007/review-dell-...
April 10, 2007 10:45:23 PM

I have the "S" panel and its not hard to see why its the worlds best 22".

The pictures are stunning and no matter how fast you move the cursor, even ragging it side to side, there's not a hint of blur. I don't know about 2ms being equal to CRT, this things faster than my Mitsubishi Diamond Pro ever was!!!!

The whole "S" / "A" panel thing sucks. Best thing is get down to a shop and where you can see before you buy and ask them for an "S" panel and check the box. Get the "S" and you won't regret it.
April 10, 2007 11:52:03 PM

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That seems nice, but in comparison to the "s" samsung 226bw, which is better, because I can get an s from circuit city :?


Is it guaranteed to get an S if I buy from circuitcity ?

BTW I see that people who are very happy with 226BW all have S panels.

Maybe I should gamble, it is a high probability that I get an S. Still scary...
April 11, 2007 12:14:42 AM

I am talking about pixel count not inches or centimeters. The dotpitch can be changed. As with the 20" 206BW & 22" 226BW Samsungs, the resolution is the same (1680*1050)but the dotpitch is different making the 20" a smaller thus tighter screen.

Yes I also measured the height and width of the different sizes these are in inches to the nearest 1/8 inch

Normal 4:3
17 - 13.25*10.625
19 - 14.75*11.875
21 - 16.25*12.125

What struck me odd here was the small difference between the height of the 21" and 19 inch panels

Wide screen
20 - 17.125*10.75
22 - 18.50*12.00
24 - 20.25*13.00

ALSO concerning the ability to determine is a box holds an A panel or an S panel - I was told that it was NOT on the outside of the box ONLY on the tag located on the back of the monitor.

Do any of you think they are going to open each box for you to determine if it is an A or S panel? you will probably have to buy it first then take it back. Each store may have a different polocy concerning the samsung's now.

WAY too much time on my hands last week
April 11, 2007 12:57:20 AM

I'd like to believe that the A panels are improving. So far the ones I've seen had the same swere bleeding on the upper and lower sides.

I would appreciate if someone with an A panel can post the screen with a blank screen saver for observing backlight bleeding...


BTW I asked newegg whether their panels are S or A and get the obvious answer "They don't know".
a b Ô Samsung
April 11, 2007 2:22:04 AM

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That seems nice, but in comparison to the "s" samsung 226bw, which is better, because I can get an s from circuit city :?


I'm not really sure since I'm not in the market for a 22" LCD. Personally I'm looking at a 24" or 26" LCD which uses 8-bit P-MVA or S-PVA panels. Visual qaulity and view angles of 6-bit TN panel really sucks in my opinion.

If you can get the "S" version of the 226BW at Bestbuy then go for it.
a b Ô Samsung
April 11, 2007 2:32:04 AM

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I really want a 24", but I cna't afford one,


Yeah, they're kinda expensive especially the one that I'm looking at, the BenQ FP241WZ. So far the best price that I've found before shipping is about $780.

At that price I'm kinda thinking about simply forking over $999 for a 26" Planar LCD.
a b Ô Samsung
April 11, 2007 2:42:38 AM

Just like you I don't want to get an insanely powerful GPU (or two) to run a 30" LCD. The 26" Planar has a resolution of 1920 x 1200.
a b Ô Samsung
April 11, 2007 2:56:07 AM

It's worth considering, but I just paid my taxes to Uncle Sam so any purchase will have to wait a few months.
April 11, 2007 3:02:16 AM

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I really want a 24", but I cna't afford one, but I really want the full hd resolution of 1920*1200, I don't care for the massive 2560*1600 on the 30" dell, you'd need insane gfx to even play tetris

lol who doesnt
April 11, 2007 3:05:51 AM

OMG you must be the quickest on here replying my tacos :) 

Id have gone bigger, but i prefer to spend my money on other things than a huge display( the prices here in europe are 30% more than there in the states ) and also on a super 8800 card( ill pickup a decent dx10 card alter on in the year when everything settles )

For me theres too much diference in the 22" and 24""( and higher ) ranges, but id like a 30"" too :) 
April 11, 2007 3:23:59 AM

I got a 226bw for $250 form one of my suppliers, not sure if it's the A or S, don't care, this is a great monitor.

I've had no issues with games, movies, or regular work. A buddy of mine has a 22" Viewsonic, and mine has far better clarity and color in my opinion.

His backlight is less noticable than mine, but hardly a noticable amount. I've never seen a panel that you couldn't see that backlight on anyway. Some are just more pronounced around the edges, mine samy is not.

I also have 2 samsung 17" displays and they are only marginally darker. I have a planar 17 that is much worse.
April 11, 2007 3:33:32 AM

Hey then I'll sell you my sweet, 3 little used, DELL 1100P's 20" CRT flat screen SONY tube CRT's.
April 11, 2007 4:12:44 AM

I've got a 22" NEC and a bunch of 20 and 19 Sony trinitrons, want any? :) 
April 12, 2007 2:03:00 AM

But Michael and I have what you NEED :wink:
April 12, 2007 2:12:50 AM

Cause my 22" is bigger than yours, and you always need the biggest :lol: 
April 12, 2007 2:17:33 AM

Hey, don't insult me, this is a premo piece of equipment, 25k min! I need to make something off the $250 I paid for it :) 
April 12, 2007 11:23:56 AM

What a nice surprise :x

Newegg now lists Samsung 226bw as 389$ + 16$ shipping. A week ago it was 319 + free shipping...

Well, there is no way I'm gambling that much on that, moreover even if it was not a gamble I still wouldn;t give 390 bucks to that lcd...

Does anyone has opinions on this one?

ViewSonic Optiquest Series Q22wb

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 12, 2007 2:34:18 PM

After reading the responses, I'm wondering if I got a bad panel. I've got some backlight bleed on the top and the bottom and a noticeable bleed by the power button (thinking that the LED behind the power button is bleeding into the screen). I thought it was just a normal thing since it was a TN panel. Anyone else have this issue? I feel it's odd since I have an S panel.
April 12, 2007 2:40:48 PM

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After reading the responses, I'm wondering if I got a bad panel. I've got some backlight bleed on the top and the bottom and a noticeable bleed by the power button (thinking that the LED behind the power button is bleeding into the screen). I thought it was just a normal thing since it was a TN panel. Anyone else have this issue? I feel it's odd since I have an S panel.

is your room dark? i find absolutely no issues unless i have the light off, even at that its only a tiny bit of bleed about 1-2 pixels in height at the top, i dont get anything from the power light, if its really bad i would take it back
April 12, 2007 2:53:45 PM

Actually the LG 226WT is 5ms, but I've still heard it's a great monitor.
April 12, 2007 9:47:26 PM

yeah most of the tv's/monitors have crap resolutions unfortunately, 24 inche would be class :twisted:
April 12, 2007 10:02:52 PM

anything above 22" is hideously expensive, 24" for me at the moment is too high res natively, need to spend another grand on an SLI setup, grrrrrrrr, great for pron though :twisted:
April 12, 2007 10:21:54 PM

lol,i only have a samsung 226bw, i considered a 24", even going the extra bit for a screen that would last me years, but feck it, i wouldnt be able to play the games i play natively on it hence i went the 22" route, dell are very good for 24" and + screens

You think newegg is bad, try living in europe where everythings 30% more expensive :evil:  although maybe your newegg exclude tax/vat price? newegg were supposed to open in europe but havnt heard anything since december, hope they do, competition is good

I hope i can get a 8800GTX 640Mb in the summer to drive this baby, currently on a x850 pro which sux @ 1680x1050, staring at my 7800GTX and annoying myself that i dont have my new mobo yet, arrgghhhhhh

also you would think they would up the 22" res to whatever x 1080 for movies
April 12, 2007 11:45:44 PM

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Well, I know that people claim that you actually can run the 226bw and some other 22" and even 20.1" monitors at 1920*1080 (1080p)

It will downscale the image to its native 1680 x 1050. It has HDCP but its over DVI( rather than having a HDMI connector ), so that new standard that they are trying to convince us is soooooo much better is supported if you have a player for your PC and your GPU has a HDCP output

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But I think I'm actually getting the 226bw tonight, after getting yelled at by my dad for a long time, I think I might be able to do it

took a bit o convincing? :twisted:
a b Ô Samsung
April 12, 2007 11:47:57 PM

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What do you think on this monitor? It's a 23" that supports hd 1080p and is cheaper than the samsung by $100 now that it's pricing is outrageous. But it has 8ms, meaning either it doesn't have overdrive meaning no ghosting (hopefully) or it has tons of ghosting :? There isn't a single review on this monitor yet, not even googling it helped
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


That's an unsual size for an LCD monitor. With an 8ms response time it definitely sounds like a "slow" 6-bit TN panel that does not use overdrive tech. That's probably one of the reasons why it's kinda cheap; less electronics.

I think there will be some ghosting with the monitor, but since it doesn't use overdrive tech there should be no afterglow effect either which in a way should also mean less ghosting and less color distortion.

The reason why I recommend the Dell E228WFP to anyone looking for a 22" LCD is because it has a response time of 5ms and it does not use overdrive tech.

People should realize though that there is no industry standard for measuring response times and the times quoted by all the manufacturers represents are for ideal theoretical conditions.
April 12, 2007 11:57:24 PM

just my 2 cents http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/107303/samsung-syncmaste...
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At �220, there are cheaper 22in TFTs, but the SyncMaster 226BW compares well with last month's Labs-winning Dell E228WFP at �262. The Dell can't match the Samsung for vibrancy or value, so the 226BW moves onto the A List.

im sounding like a damn fanboy now, but honestly im not, im all for whatever suits best, price/features et all
April 12, 2007 11:58:13 PM

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It will downscale the image to its native 1680 x 1050.

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Sorry for the interference. Downsampling is the correct term for that.

You're getting high resolution image, then reducing the number of samples to 1680x1050(you first apply a lowpass filter to prevent aliasing then map to the new samples etc...).

That give you more room on desktop but you will definitely loose some of the high frequencies of the original image so I don't think people working on photos or Cad can benefit from this...
April 13, 2007 12:05:06 AM

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It will downscale the image to its native 1680 x 1050.

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Sorry for the interference. Downsampling is the correct term for that.
my bad, youre 100% correct

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You're getting high resolution image, then reducing the number of samples to 1680x1050(you first apply a lowpass filter to prevent aliasing then map to the new samples etc...).

That give you more room on desktop but you will definitely loose some of the high frequencies of the original image so I don't think people working on photos or Cad can benefit from this...

yeah, still though,its only best effort, probably wouldnt notice much in movies, still though everyone prefers native :) 
a b Ô Samsung
April 13, 2007 12:20:30 AM

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im sounding like a damn fanboy now, but honestly im not, im all for whatever suits best, price/features et all


Yeah, I agree with you.

On a personal note, 6-bit TN panels don't cut it for me in terms of quality. I much perfer to spend money on a good quality 24" LCD that uses an 8-bit panel. But that can be a huge price premium for most people looking at a 22" LCD.
a b Ô Samsung
April 13, 2007 12:34:46 AM

If you're a gamer, then you may want to stick with a 22" LCD since they have lower response times. But 24" LCDs are catching up. The BenQ FP241WZ has a response time of 6ms which is pretty impressive for an 8-bit panel.

Too bad the taxes I paid to Uncle Sam is more than the cost of the monitor. :cry: 

Maybe if I cut back on drinking scotch I'll be able to save up faster. Nah!!!
April 13, 2007 1:19:17 AM

id much prefer to spend my money on booze than get an 8bit 2X inch panel :twisted: now pass the Jameson

im gonna get a HD tv instead prob next year, a 40-50" one, now bf2 would be fun on that....all boozed up 8O
April 13, 2007 1:23:27 AM

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What a nice surprise :x

Newegg now lists Samsung 226bw as 389$ + 16$ shipping. A week ago it was 319 + free shipping...


Now it's back to 319 before MIR, but no free shipping. Newegg has been a little flaky the last couple days, the AMD processors shot back up for a little while yesterday too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then again it's only 329 at Circuit City and they have a much more liberal return policy than newegg for monitors, plus they have free shipping.
a b Ô Samsung
April 13, 2007 1:26:32 AM

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id much prefer to spend my money on booze than get an 8bit 2X inch panel :twisted: now pass the Jameson



Macallan 12 or, better yet, 18 for me.
April 13, 2007 1:34:44 AM

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Hehe, too bad I can't be boozed up like that :lol:  Man, I can't afford the 226bw because my dad had me spend my money on a mouse instead, and you go and buy $2000 1080p 50" tv :x

lol, ouch, a mouse????????????????
Well i havnt bought it yet, its in my plan, just need a house first 8O, then again it would be easy to move with a slim 50" instead of the monster ancient cheapy 28" i have now

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Macallan 12 or, better yet, 18 for me.

great choice, tell you what race you to the bottom,ill go for a midleton :p 
a b Ô Samsung
April 13, 2007 1:40:49 AM

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I think I'm going to buy the 226bw tonight :D  if I can from circiut city, but I'll need to borrow $100 from them since my dad had me buy a bunch of stuff instead because he didn't want me buying it at first so I'm at only $200 instead of $3xx :evil: 


Ouch!!!!

Can you somehow convince your dad to toss in more money for doing extra chores around the house?

Good Luck!!!
April 13, 2007 1:44:37 AM

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I think I'm going to buy the 226bw tonight :D  if I can from circiut city, but I'll need to borrow $100 from them since my dad had me buy a bunch of stuff instead because he didn't want me buying it at first so I'm at only $200 instead of $3xx :evil: 

i agree with jag, you should talk to your dad and see if you can borrow in advance for chores or whatever, much better than borrowing of companies with naff interest rates.

Best of luck with it
a b Ô Samsung
April 13, 2007 1:46:50 AM

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great choice, tell you what race you to the bottom,ill go for a midleton :p 


You're on!!!! :p 

Never had a Midleton Very Rare yet, then again I'm a single malt kinda guy.
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