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April 11, 2007 12:37:41 AM

True Star Wars fans will know why...
April 11, 2007 12:47:25 AM

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http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/12221

why does AMD decide on Tunisia?


"Hector, where do you want to demo Barcelona?"

"Wherever, give me a world map and I'll take a blind stab"

(Closes eyes, puts his finger in the middle of the Pacific Ocean)

"Ermmm... that won't do... I'll try again..."

(Closes eyes again, this time hoping to find land...)

"There! (Opens eyes)... errr... what... Tunisia?! Ahh, what the heck, Tunisia it is!"
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April 11, 2007 12:49:29 AM

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True Star Wars fans will know why...


Ha ha that's funny. A lot of Episode III was filmed in Tunisia. And we all know that EpIII was the greatest example of SFX ever seen and was made with Opteron.
April 11, 2007 12:52:09 AM

After reading it look slike my prediction that AGena or Agena FX woul dbe used to demo R600 with the 790 chipset was correct. I would hope they will have FireGL chips also for pro users.

Maybe they are trying to get some of that nVidia movie business.
April 11, 2007 12:52:51 AM

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actually africa is a growing computer market and part of their entry level 3rd world computer efforts.


With pretty much used chips only, not new.
April 11, 2007 12:54:24 AM

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actually africa is a growing computer market and part of their entry level 3rd world computer efforts.


I'm just taking the piss dude, dewd. ;) 
April 11, 2007 1:13:16 AM

Before getting excited, consider the source of this info - Fudzilla aka Faud Abazovic from the Inquirer. This is the same guy who announced AMD was making a FX-76, then he posted that AMD cancelled it -sounds a little suspicious.

Also, the slide has the presentation information edited off the bottom, as well as, the AMD slides I've seen all use green text in the titles. Here's a slide from gOJDO's K-10 sticky for an example:



I'm not saying that this demonstration isn't going to happen (I hope it does - I would love to see what these chips can really do.), but also don't be suprised if something "mysteriously" happens to change the date/location of the demonstration.
April 11, 2007 1:27:24 AM

I doubt that that would happen, considering AMD's current situation with their finances and sales. To be honest, I think they need this presentation to go ahead in order to get back the confidence of their investors. I'm sure they've cooked up quite something in the forms of R600 and Barcelona, but as things are, they can't delay things anymore. Its pretty much an all or nothing situation for AMD, and they have a lot to lose if they mess up (such as their market share that they managed to claw from Intel during the Prescott days). I'm sure they won't go bust if they don't make it, but they would be left in a position where they won't be able to keep up with Intel for a while, and may be forced to sell some of their divisions (including the newly acquired ATI), even getting bought by some other company (though if it were IBM, then it could actually be for the better, but that's a big if).

Lastly, I think this may be more of a calculated move for AMD rather than the desperate actions they've taken to keep their finances together. Releasing a load of different products within a tight time frame seems too much like a planned move rather than an act of desperation, so overall it could be the turn of the tide for AMD if they pull it off.
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April 11, 2007 1:58:03 AM

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actually africa is a growing computer market and part of their entry level 3rd world computer efforts.


With pretty much used chips only, not new.

I'd think that Tunisia would be better to demonstrate another AMD chip, specifically the Geode in the OLPC.
April 11, 2007 1:59:40 AM

I agree, AMD needs to show something soon - I'm just saying to take this particular demonstation information with the same grain of salt one takes with anything from the Inquirer (although, they are right some of the time).

I am curious as to why they're showing the Agena before the Barcelona (maybe to create demand for their new chipsets?).

Seems, however, that AMD could be hurt by showing something too soon. Given their current state, they need the cashflow - so they can't afford an "Osborne Effect" by showing something vastly superior and risk people wait for the new line and not buy the current.
April 11, 2007 2:09:32 AM

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I agree, AMD needs to show something soon - I'm just saying to take this particular demonstation information with the same grain of salt one takes with anything from the Inquirer (although, they are right some of the time).

I am curious as to why they're showing the Agena before the Barcelona (maybe to create demand for their new chipsets?).

Seems, however, that AMD could be hurt by showing something too soon. Given their current state, they need the cashflow - so they can't afford an "Osborne Effect" by showing something vastly superior and risk people wait for the new line and not buy the current.


Except that the link is to The Tech Report and not The Inq.
April 11, 2007 2:13:05 AM

Well... technically, they are keeping this presentation fairly close to the launch dates of their products, as a measure to reduce the "Osborne Effect". There's no easy way out of the situation their in, so they need to make some sacrifices in order to make the most of what they have. Concerning Agena, I think you may have the correct assumption. Create a demand for chipsets that support Agena, so then when it does come out, there's already a demand waiting for the processor. Thus they can sell a bucketload quickly so to get some return. Either way, its a calculated move that they are trying to set up in order to close those financial holes of theirs. But, on a positive note, it means AMD isn't sitting on its ass with the this, and I'm sure they are doing what they can in order to get back at Intel.
April 11, 2007 2:37:51 AM

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It is the first native Quad core each having 512KB of cache memory and 2MB of shared L3 cache. It supports Hypertransport 3, enhanced PowerNow marchitecture, AMD Virtualisation. The company also claims that it is a performance leader per watt.


Performance per watt leader!!! yes!!! GO AMDIZZEL

i'm stoked...i mean they'd be stupid to make a statement like that a few weeks before a demo...especially with all the C2D benchmarks ALL OVER THE FRAKIN PLACE!!

While many who frequent these forums would call amd stupid...i wouldn't i trust in their innovation(s) and well i always like rooting for the underdawg

~PeAcE~
April 11, 2007 2:41:03 AM

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I hope they run more than task manager ;) 


Yeah, lets pray they don't disable the screen saver this time.
April 11, 2007 2:52:19 AM

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actually africa is a growing computer market and part of their entry level 3rd world computer efforts.


Ive been to Tunisia. Aside from the fact its squeezed in between Algeria and Libya, 2 countries of questionable intent that the Tunisians dont get along with, the economy is, to say, pre industrial US. Armed military gaurds on every corner, each with a different make rifle including old bolt actions, each with different uniform items, no night life to speak of( I would say they roll up the carpet @ 7 PM, but there was no carpet to roll up in the first place) the persistant odor of rotting goat flesh, no plumbing to speak of and the sence of an underlying hatred of americans. One step above, say, Tehran. Great place to roll out anything. :roll:

WTF are they thinking? If AMD were going to introduce a new RPG round, Tunisia would make sence, but a CPU? Maybe someone told the Tunisians AMD CPUs were great for RPGs and the Tunisians thought they were going to get a look at new Rocket Propelled Grenade technology, instead of Role Playing Game technology, so they invited AMD.
April 11, 2007 2:54:42 AM

and so it begins...
April 11, 2007 2:59:21 AM

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WTF are they thinking? If AMD were going to introduce a new RPG round, Tunisia would make sence, but a CPU? Maybe someone told the Tunisians AMD CPUs were great for RPGs and the Tunisians thought they were going to get a look at new Rocket Propelled Grenade technology, instead of Role Playing Game technology, so they invited AMD.



:D  haha now thats fun.
April 11, 2007 3:05:13 AM

Another chance to impress Wall Street with a expensive junket.
April 11, 2007 3:09:43 AM

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actually africa is a growing computer market and part of their entry level 3rd world computer efforts.


Ive been to Tunisia. Aside from the fact its squeezed in between Algeria and Libya, 2 countries of questionable intent that the Tunisians dont get along with, the economy is, to say, pre industrial US. Armed military gaurds on every corner, each with a different make rifle including old bolt actions, each with different uniform items, no night life to speak of( I would say they roll up the carpet @ 7 PM, but there was no carpet to roll up in the first place) the persistant odor of rotting goat flesh, no plumbing to speak of and the sence of an underlying hatred of americans. One step above, say, Tehran. Great place to roll out anything. :roll:

WTF are they thinking? If AMD were going to introduce a new RPG round, Tunisia would make sence, but a CPU? Maybe someone told the Tunisians AMD CPUs were great for RPGs and the Tunisians thought they were going to get a look at new Rocket Propelled Grenade technology, instead of Role Playing Game technology, so they invited AMD.

LOL @ RPG comment. Perhaps they also see potential in the 'Fusion' project thinking it has something to do with nuclear weapons? :lol: 

Hey, look on the bright side, at least it's not being launched in Iraq or something...
April 11, 2007 3:11:00 AM

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actually africa is a growing computer market and part of their entry level 3rd world computer efforts.


Ive been to Tunisia. Aside from the fact its squeezed in between Algeria and Libya, 2 countries of questionable intent that the Tunisians dont get along with, the economy is, to say, pre industrial US. Armed military gaurds on every corner, each with a different make rifle including old bolt actions, each with different uniform items, no night life to speak of( I would say they roll up the carpet @ 7 PM, but there was no carpet to roll up in the first place) the persistant odor of rotting goat flesh, no plumbing to speak of and the sence of an underlying hatred of americans. One step above, say, Tehran. Great place to roll out anything. :roll:

WTF are they thinking? If AMD were going to introduce a new RPG round, Tunisia would make sence, but a CPU? Maybe someone told the Tunisians AMD CPUs were great for RPGs and the Tunisians thought they were going to get a look at new Rocket Propelled Grenade technology, instead of Role Playing Game technology, so they invited AMD.

LOL @ RPG comment. Hey, look on the bright side, at least it's not being launched in Iraq or something...


:wink: :lol:  :lol: 
April 11, 2007 3:11:56 AM

And I still won't believe one iota of what they say until someone other than AMD (or Intel for that matter with regards to their upcoming parts) gets their hands on and does some actual real world, third party testing and benchmarking of these things.
April 11, 2007 3:20:01 AM

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And I still won't believe one iota of what they say until someone other than AMD (or Intel for that matter with regards to their upcoming parts) gets their hands on and does some actual real world, third party testing and benchmarking of these things.



Since spud is no longer with us, I'll do it on his behalf.....Word
April 11, 2007 3:22:27 AM

I didn't even think about the current set of procs holding back r600 and that being the reason we have yet to see any real benchmarks or even more then a couple of pics floating around the internet
April 11, 2007 3:29:48 AM

slightly off/on topic... am i the only one to notice opteron prices havent budged? the x2 5200 equiv is still around 450 on the egg. is this where amd is staying afloat/
April 11, 2007 3:29:54 AM

They are going to run task manager with aero glass enabled this time! Uber tastic!

As far as I'm concerned they could launch R600 and Barcelona at the Kwiki Mart I don't really care, just launch the things DAAMIT
April 11, 2007 3:36:24 AM

"0Uch" 8O :wink:
April 11, 2007 3:41:20 AM

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I didn't even think about the current set of procs holding back r600 and that being the reason we have yet to see any real benchmarks or even more then a couple of pics floating around the internet


Perhaps, but think about it.... in many gaming scenarios, an FX-62 throttles the G80 even at 1600x1200 and higher resolutions, it has been shown clearly that an X6800 is the better way to compare graphics cards of this caliber....

My reasoning is that I don't think AMD would like to tout the R600 but require using an Intel CPU to show off it's dominance.

Jack

really "ouch" this is a very good poitn Jack and it may be very true 8O
April 11, 2007 3:45:15 AM

Can't wait to see the potential of Barcelona and R600... ESPECIALLY R600!

I've been saving for the R600 for ages (but I need a new CPU ;_; too ).
April 11, 2007 4:04:26 AM

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I agree, AMD needs to show something soon - I'm just saying to take this particular demonstation information with the same grain of salt one takes with anything from the Inquirer (although, they are right some of the time).

I am curious as to why they're showing the Agena before the Barcelona (maybe to create demand for their new chipsets?).

Seems, however, that AMD could be hurt by showing something too soon. Given their current state, they need the cashflow - so they can't afford an "Osborne Effect" by showing something vastly superior and risk people wait for the new line and not buy the current.


Except that the link is to The Tech Report and not The Inq.

Except that The Tech Report sites their sources as Fudzilla, Fuad's attempt at an Inquirer spin-off.

Yet another sad story at an attempt at IT coverage. RIP, Tech Report.The Inq actually said Apr 22 if it means aything.

I just love that I figured that the desktop would end up being demoed as there is no new chipset for server.

Agena FX is Budapest is Barcelona.
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April 11, 2007 4:05:40 AM

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True Star Wars fans will know why...


Ha ha that's funny. A lot of Episode III was filmed in Tunisia. And we all know that EpIII was the greatest example of SFX ever seen and was made with Opteron.

Uhhhh no.

E.T., Titanic, Star Wars 4,5,6, The Abyss and Terminator 2 are the greatest examples of Special effects.

They changed movie making. EPIII was crap and didn't bring anything truly moving to the scene.
April 11, 2007 4:09:20 AM

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I hope they run more than task manager ;) 
Prepare for ScienceMark and OLTP-C for Barcelona and POV Ray, Cinebench and SiSoft Sandra RAM Bandwidth/latency for Agena
April 11, 2007 4:20:29 AM

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actually africa is a growing computer market and part of their entry level 3rd world computer efforts.


Ive been to Tunisia. Aside from the fact its squeezed in between Algeria and Libya, 2 countries of questionable intent that the Tunisians dont get along with, the economy is, to say, pre industrial US. Armed military gaurds on every corner, each with a different make rifle including old bolt actions, each with different uniform items, no night life to speak of( I would say they roll up the carpet @ 7 PM, but there was no carpet to roll up in the first place) the persistant odor of rotting goat flesh, no plumbing to speak of and the sence of an underlying hatred of americans. One step above, say, Tehran. Great place to roll out anything. :roll:

WTF are they thinking? If AMD were going to introduce a new RPG round, Tunisia would make sence, but a CPU? Maybe someone told the Tunisians AMD CPUs were great for RPGs and the Tunisians thought they were going to get a look at new Rocket Propelled Grenade technology, instead of Role Playing Game technology, so they invited AMD.
i really doubt AMD will actually showcase Barcelona in Tunisia. it might be another Inq's BS, or equivalent.

i believe AMD will actually either showcase Barcelona in the upcoming Computex in Taipei, or in Europe (possibly Germany?). there is absolutely no point is showcasing it in Tunisia.

if AMD really want to showcase in Tunisia for some weird reasons, i would actually suggest them showcasing them in Republic of Congo.
April 11, 2007 4:21:06 AM

Side bar:

Special effects are effects that take place on camera. Visual effects are effects that are added later, usually computer generated.
April 11, 2007 4:25:15 AM

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True Star Wars fans will know why...


Ha ha that's funny. A lot of Episode III was filmed in Tunisia. And we all know that EpIII was the greatest example of SFX ever seen and was made with Opteron.

Uhhhh no.

E.T., Titanic, Star Wars 4,5,6, The Abyss and Terminator 2 are the greatest examples of Special effects.

They changed movie making. EPIII was crap and didn't bring anything truly moving to the scene.
i second on this one...

IMO.. for some reason movies will only get popular if a lot of SFX are used..
ex. Matrix II/III, Aragon.....

although there are indeed some excellent movies using SFX (LOTR, 300...), but SFX's role in the movie was assisting the storyline..

IMO... Matrix kinda sucked because i see nothing but fighting scene between neo and smith = =...
April 11, 2007 4:27:15 AM

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True Star Wars fans will know why...


Ha ha that's funny. A lot of Episode III was filmed in Tunisia. And we all know that EpIII was the greatest example of SFX ever seen and was made with Opteron.

Uhhhh no.

E.T., Titanic, Star Wars 4,5,6, The Abyss and Terminator 2 are the greatest examples of Special effects.

They changed movie making. EPIII was crap and didn't bring anything truly moving to the scene.


BS. None of those movies truly showed SFX the way EpIII did. Does it matter that Lucas uses nVidia Quadros?

ET - a fairly static character unlike Yoda and Sidious in their battle.

Titanic - a fairly simple set of shots based on "water-spray and tilting sets compared to Obi-Wan riding the "animal" chasing a CGI Greivous.

4,5,6 - the best thing was the laser blasts compared to the opening scene of EpIII.

The Abyss - Pretty good, but not advanced CGI - the final "raise the ship" scene - 1/100th models probably against the initial hangar scene in EpIII.

Terminator 2 was excellent as makeup and liquid FX go against Anakin scooping the buzz droids off of Obi-Wan's fighter.

Check my blog for at least ONE of my SFX ideas.
April 11, 2007 4:30:43 AM

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True Star Wars fans will know why...


Ha ha that's funny. A lot of Episode III was filmed in Tunisia. And we all know that EpIII was the greatest example of SFX ever seen and was made with Opteron.

Uhhhh no.

E.T., Titanic, Star Wars 4,5,6, The Abyss and Terminator 2 are the greatest examples of Special effects.

They changed movie making. EPIII was crap and didn't bring anything truly moving to the scene.
i second on this one...

IMO.. for some reason movies will only get popular if a lot of SFX are used..
ex. Matrix II/III, Aragon.....

although there are indeed some excellent movies using SFX (LOTR, 300...), but SFX's role in the movie was assisting the storyline..

IMO... Matrix kinda sucked because i see nothing but fighting scene between neo and smith = =...


Revenge of the Sith pwns ALL.
April 11, 2007 4:44:55 AM

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I hope they run more than task manager ;) 

common jack.. agena is quadcore, it should run PLATFORMANCE...
POWER.... SPEED!!!

Id say 4 x minesweeper or solitaire would do D:
April 11, 2007 5:12:42 AM

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Side bar:

Special effects are effects that take place on camera. Visual effects are effects that are added later, usually computer generated.



CGI, baby CGI , with a little green screen thrown in. EpIII pwns ALL.
April 11, 2007 5:27:29 AM

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I didn't even think about the current set of procs holding back r600 and that being the reason we have yet to see any real benchmarks or even more then a couple of pics floating around the internet


Perhaps, but think about it.... in many gaming scenarios, an FX-62 throttles the G80 even at 1600x1200 and higher resolutions, it has been shown clearly that an X6800 is the better way to compare graphics cards of this caliber....

My reasoning is that I don't think AMD would like to tout the R600 but require using an Intel CPU to show off it's dominance.

Jack


Glad to see that they're thinking of the customer... :evil:  If thats true, and they've actually just sat on the R600 this whole time *blood boils*.

Good business is HONEST business, pride is the root of all evil after all, and the only reason for the delay very well could be pride. Mark my words, AMD will suffer from this!
April 11, 2007 5:41:52 AM

How amazing would it be to see a prototype Rev.2 QuadFX and a single socket dual-core K10 mid-range rig? I would love it.
April 11, 2007 5:43:00 AM

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Part of the line up is pcie 2.0 cards, so it kindof necessitates waiting from a certain perspective.

And its common knowledge that they have been sitting on the cards for while. Sorry chief.

Hopefully they've at least been using this time to build enough stock that we can actually find one in stock for more than 5 minutes when they finally do go on sale, unlike the 8800 launch.
April 11, 2007 5:55:32 AM

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Part of the line up is pcie 2.0 cards, so it kindof necessitates waiting from a certain perspective.

And its common knowledge that they have been sitting on the cards for while. Sorry chief.

Hopefully they've at least been using this time to build enough stock that we can actually find one in stock for more than 5 minutes when they finally do go on sale, unlike the 8800 launch.No, they'll probably start stock-piling them for the back-to-school rush. :D  /sarcasm
April 11, 2007 6:53:34 AM

I think Tunisia is perfect What better place to show off burning hot sand?
Then again, maybe just the oposite. Would you want to run an Intel chip in the desert?
April 11, 2007 9:21:40 AM

What advantage does pcie 2.0 offer? Does it make THAT much difference to justify the half year wait?

Just curious, I'm starting to feel like i'm never going to be able to buy my new rig with all this stuff coming out that will necessitate a new mobo (dont want to get stuck with agp like it did with this one right before pcie came out)
April 11, 2007 9:54:39 AM

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Part of the line up is pcie 2.0 cards, so it kindof necessitates waiting from a certain perspective.

And its common knowledge that they have been sitting on the cards for while. Sorry chief.

Hopefully they've at least been using this time to build enough stock that we can actually find one in stock for more than 5 minutes when they finally do go on sale, unlike the 8800 launch.

Yeah, hopefully OEM's don't suck up all these chips and leave some for the rest of us. :lol:  I'm really starting to believe what AMD said earlier in the year, that it expects to ship 100 million 65nm parts in 2007. A couple of sources are stating that Dell is going ballistic over the lower end parts at least. I imagine there will be an adequate supply of mid and high end parts. At least I hope. :) 

http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=38836
April 11, 2007 9:59:45 AM

If they actually released the damn R600 when it was ready, they didn't have to sell all that many cpu's to stay afloat...

just my 2 cents
April 11, 2007 10:16:01 AM

Or like to months ago already but then again AMD ain't showing us JACK.
April 11, 2007 10:56:16 AM

I hope he's one mean mother and that he'll Beat the G80 so bad it's designers won't recognise it!!! :twisted: Either that or they are embarrased by him, I hope it's the first option.

Yeah, our Jack is just a walking Wikipedia... :lol: 
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