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hi guys
i have thermaltake tru2 470W and my psu temperatures are around 75 degress celcius. i wanted to ask if my psu temperatures are normal or not. i am not doing any overclocking as well. hope to hear from u soon. thanks.

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How are you getting a PSU temp?



Thats the first thing i thought! :D

Reply to Track

thanks for the reply
i am using hardware Sensor Monitor 4.2 and in that i see the temp under the power tab, it is so high and if i put my hand where the psu dispels hot air, that air is so hot too.

Reply to lordszone

thanks for the reply
that calms me down. thanks once again.

Reply to lordszone

Put ur hand against the PSU. If its not burning hot its fine.

I suggest u reverse the PSU fan, if u can. That will provide FAR better cooling at no expense.

Reply to Track

well the air is not boiling hot, but hot. much hotter than the temperature in the case. one more thing. i have five case fans installed in my case. i wanted to know if this is a problem that when i disconnect the case fans, the cpu temp normally stays around 60 deg without load and the case gets hot, whereas if i reconnect the fans, the temp stays around 48 deg without load. but the fans are too loud, i mean when i start my pc it sounds like a room cooler has started lol. following are the specs of my system:
pentium D 820 (2.8ghz)
asus p5b deluxe
256mb kingston ddr2 533 (value ram) (well i know this is less but will buy more soon)
connect3d x700 256mb
msi tv @nywhere
470W thermaltake tru2
sony dvd writer

Reply to lordszone

Get some Silenx fans. They move a lot of air and are quiet.
You need the fans. At the very least you need PSU fan, system fan, CPU fan, graphics card fan.
The front fan is optional.
You could get a fan controller to control the noise of the fans.

Reply to evongugg

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What the hell are you talking about? Stop giving bad advice. Reversing the PSU's fan will make all that hot air in the PSU be forced into the case. If he's working with a standard ATX case then all that hot air is going to be blown right down onto the CPU. Not exactly the kind of thing you want in your system.



Well, im giving the advice that i think is right. My thoughts of right and wrong come from you. Judge urself before judging me, especially because my only goal is to help and im not trying to hurt anyone in any way.

The hot air is going to be a problem no matter what. Do u think that ppl who buy PSU's with 14cm fans wich are mounted on the bottom and drive all the hot DIRECTLY on the CPU are complaining?

Since ive reveresed my PSU fan, it's temperature has decreased by over 20C. My components arent affected because of all my outake fans. Quite an ingenious system i think. Imagine if the CPU's fan was not blowing towards it but away from it, like the PSU fan. It would surely become too hot to be used.

Reply to Track

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Since ive reveresed my PSU fan, it's temperature has decreased by over 20C. My components arent affected because of all my outake fans.

When you say "its temperature", what are you referring to? The PSU? Or the CPU? Either way, 20C is a rather large drop to attribute just to mucking about with your PSU fans. :?

The thing which immediately popped into my mind when you mentioned reversing the direction of the PSU airflow was to wonder just how much dust would build up in the PSU if it is sucking in air from outside the case rather than expelling air from the case. I have filters on my most obvious case intakes to attempt to cut down on the amount of dust buildup inside the case ... mostly because, in my case, there tends to be a lot of dust.

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Quite an ingenious system i think. Imagine if the CPU's fan was not blowing towards it but away from it, like the PSU fan.

I don't find this analogy useful. My CPU HSF is an AC Freezer 7 Pro. The fan blows air above/across, not vertically towards or away from the CPU. According to Core Temp 0.95 my CPU temps idle in the low 20's C. (I don't actually trust those readings, but don't know how to get an "honest" reading. Both Gigabyte's EasyTune 5 and SpeedFan 4.32 are under the delusion that the CPU temp is 9 C. And I know that must be completely bogus!)

-john, the ostensibly clueless redundant legacy-in-transition dinosaur

Reply to zjohnr

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What the hell are you talking about? Stop giving bad advice. Reversing the PSU's fan will make all that hot air in the PSU be forced into the case. If he's working with a standard ATX case then all that hot air is going to be blown right down onto the CPU. Not exactly the kind of thing you want in your system.



Well, im giving the advice that i think is right. My thoughts of right and wrong come from you. Judge urself before judging me, especially because my only goal is to help and im not trying to hurt anyone in any way.

you goram n00b, what the hell are you talking about? and why do you keep defending this stupid position? you are telling us that by reversing the fans on your PSU (which voids the warranty but that's for another thread) and blowing all the hot air down in the case cools off the CPU? are you retarded? did you eat paint as a child? there has to be a logical explanation for your crappy idea and mental retardation is the only option at this point.

BLOWING HOT AIR INTO YOUR CASE WILL NOT COOL IT OFF.

end of story, hot air does nothing but NOT COOL THE AIR. by your logic, a hot air balloon should fall instead of rise because apparently moving hot air cools things off and so blowing hot air into a balloon should cool off the inside and make it fall...but it doesnt...hmm...i wonder why...maybe because hot air IS HOT! :evil:

Reply to jrnyfan

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Do u think that ppl who buy PSU's with 14cm fans wich are mounted on the bottom and drive all the hot DIRECTLY on the CPU are complaining?



Um, don't those fans suck air from within the case through the PSU and out the vent at the back of it?

edit: mpilchfamily beat me to it.

Reply to orangegator

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Those PSUs with 120mm and 140mm fans on the bottom of the unit pull in the air from the system.



Fantastic! That was a crucial case flaw in my next build.

Although, this confirms my theory that reversing the fan is a good thing, and not the oposite. The 14cm fans are reversed and blowing air onto the PSU, just like mine. And i didnt have to buy a 200$ PSU just to have this. See how cool modding is? :D Also, my PSU only has an 8cm fan blowing cold air into it, and its frozen cold.. so i dont see the need for a 14cm, but the more the better i suppose. Only problem is u cant regulate the PSU fan's speed. You'd have to go out and buy a whole new fan and mount it by urself, connecting is to the PSU in another way. Then u could regulate the speed using the handy Zalman fan mate.

Reply to Track

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BLOWING HOT AIR INTO YOUR CASE WILL NOT COOL IT OFF.



Thank you for that. It way the one flaw is my education.
Now i can proclaim to the world that I know everything.
It is a fine day.. a fine day indeed.

Reply to Track

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Since ive reveresed my PSU fan, it's temperature has decreased by over 20C. My components arent affected because of all my outake fans.

When you say "its temperature", what are you referring to? The PSU? Or the CPU? Either way, 20C is a rather large drop to attribute just to mucking about with your PSU fans. :?

The PSU fan ofcourse. If anything, my CPU temps have elevated.. although i doubt that. But they have defenately not decreased.

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The thing which immediately popped into my mind when you mentioned reversing the direction of the PSU airflow was to wonder just how much dust would build up in the PSU if it is sucking in air from outside the case rather than expelling air from the case. I have filters on my most obvious case intakes to attempt to cut down on the amount of dust buildup inside the case ... mostly because, in my case, there tends to be a lot of dust.



You are right. I will buy a filter.
Dont care too much about this PC, but even if i didnt have any outake fans inside my case, and my CPU's temps elevated 20C, that would still only ammount to 70C.

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Quite an ingenious system i think. Imagine if the CPU's fan was not blowing towards it but away from it, like the PSU fan.

I don't find this analogy useful. My CPU HSF is an AC Freezer 7 Pro. The fan blows air above/across, not vertically towards or away from the CPU. According to Core Temp 0.95 my CPU temps idle in the low 20's C. (I don't actually trust those readings, but don't know how to get an "honest" reading. Both Gigabyte's EasyTune 5 and SpeedFan 4.32 are under the delusion that the CPU temp is 9 C. And I know that must be completely bogus!)

-john, the ostensibly clueless redundant legacy-in-transition dinosaur

The fan pushes the air onto the heatsink. This ammounts to it blowing the air downwards (in respect to it's degree of installation of course).
My analogy indicates that if the fan was not blowing the air downwards, onto the heatsink, but rather upwards, away from the heatsink, the cooling would be much less effective.

Reply to Track

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I don't think your getting it.



Thats exactly what I want to say to u. Respectfully though.

Im saying that the PSU with the 14cm has it's fan reveresed from the beggining. I needed to reverse my 8cm fan in order for it to be facing the same way as the 14cm fan is at stock. Im not suggesting that u reverse the 14cm, where did u come up with that idea. That offers worse cooling other than better. What i said was that they have reversed the 14cm fan while manufacturing it, so that its taking in air in. I simply said that with some modding i managed to reverse my PSU fan myself and not have to spend 200$ for them to do it.

Reply to Track

Whats a defect, that my PSU fan was an outake and not an intake?
I dont think thats a defect.

Reply to Track

It was not drawing it from inside the case via a fan. Other than that, it follows the rules.

Reply to Track

Reading this is giving me a headache :(

Reply to orangegator

I already have a headache from before. Seems a good idea to retire for the night. Ill leave mr. family to tend to the noobs :D

Reply to Track

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LMAO :lol:

This coming from a noob.



I was a noob. Until u tought me. Now go! Spread ur knowledge forward!

Reply to Track

I hate to say it, But i have a computer with a PSU fan sucking. it was designed that way too :P

There is a logic to flipping that fan.
As you already know PSU's start to loose there power output capability as they get hotter. So one could argue that if you have a rear fan with about 2x the output of the psu you can reverse the psu fan. This gives it cooler air to start with. This will allow it to output greater power. Now you run a front intake fan with about as many CFM's as the psu. Now for the problem! the air leaving the case will want to get sucked back into the psu causing a loop of hot air that will heat up quickly. The solution would be a shroud.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9412/airflowvr6.png
With some work you can get cooler air for the PSU and CPU

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/2592/psukm0.png
You need a air shroud to keep the air from circulating back in the case. A reverse shroud on the exhaust fan would help too....but i aint gonna draw it :P

I have also seen some cases where the PSU covers the heatsink that are in reverse so they help cool the CPU.

I am not saying to reverse a fan. I am saying it can be done with a positive effect if you do it right.

EDIT wow u guys type allot while i make pictures :)

Reply to nukemaster

yup. the entire case was reversed. So air went in the back over the cpu(the psu was over the cpu, as in sideways) and out the front cooling the hard drive.

Reply to nukemaster

Please go out and buy the cheapest PSU you can find... You're beyond being a joke, giving that kind of advice.

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