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April 12, 2007 12:03:34 AM

I'm thinkin about upgrading my CPU to the FX60 but I see it is not sold by newegg or TigerDirect. Other than Ebay, is there a good website to purchase older CPU's?

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April 12, 2007 12:09:39 AM

Nope. If the're not on Pricewatch then you're back at auction sites. You could try Anandtech or some other classifieds. You must have got some bad stepping in that 170, huh?
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April 12, 2007 12:24:39 AM

I don't think it overclocks all that well compared to what other people have and I think I have a pretty good setup (no cheapy stuff).
I think the best I get is 2.4ghz with or without increasing the voltage. After that, my PC won't boot as soon as I save the bios settings.
Here's my hardware:

ABIT AN832x nForce4 SLIx16
mushkin extreme 2x1gb DDR500 (running at DDR400)
Opty 170
XFX Geforce 6800xt 256mb x 2 SLI
COOLMAX SLI 600w PSU
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April 12, 2007 12:33:42 AM

About the best Socket 939 CPU Newegg has is this. Considering the pricing of AM2 CPU's and the new AM2+ CPU's due out in less than 6 months, better off saving towards a new machine.
April 12, 2007 12:40:30 AM

I'm avoiding rebuilding a new system since this current setup is not even a year old and still runs great - even on Vista Ultimate. I can throw another 2 gig on the machine and upgrade the video cards and it'd still be a smokin machine. But thanks for the input on the CPU
April 12, 2007 12:52:37 AM

The opteron should easily clock as high or higher than the FX60. Do you use the memory divider/HTT divider to keep those 2 factors within spec? You shouldn't need any voltage increase to get 2.6 - 2.8 GHz. I've had an ASUS A8N-E mobo that wouldn't overclock worth crap, but 2 cheap boards (Asrock 939 dual sata and Biostar 6100) that get a 170 to 2.8 GHz easy.
If you really can't clock it up above 2.4 GHz, perhaps wait for next generation stuff as others said, though it is your money, after all. A socket 939 opteron @ 2.4GHz is still decent, if you have tight memory timings.
April 12, 2007 1:02:36 AM

Here's what I had - forgive me, as much as I'm a fan of AMD, the whole hyper transport thing still gets me. And I still use the stock heatsink but the thing is a monster compared to what they put on their previous CPU's.

K8<->NB HT Speed 5x
Item Help NB-->SB HT Speed 4x
NB<--SB HT Speed 4x
K8<->NB HT Width ↓16 ↑16
NB<->SB HT Width ↓16 ↑16
April 12, 2007 1:08:17 AM

Wow. Thats sad. My Opty 165 hits 2.8 without a voltage bump. Yeah, it sounds like your having a problem with the HTT speed. Reduce the NB value to 4x. I'm not really sure if that will work, as my HTT adjustment is rather primitive compared to that. I know that you have to lower the HTT speed to 4x at ~230 bus speed, and 3x at ~260. This should allow you to overclock higher....with any luck.
April 12, 2007 1:18:13 AM

Sounds like I'll hold off on replacing the CPU then and maybe spend the dough on more memory. Thanks everyone for the help.
April 12, 2007 1:55:12 AM

Just keep your opty.
April 12, 2007 2:06:22 AM

Nine out of ten voices in my head tell me to tell you to keep the Opteron.
April 12, 2007 2:13:05 AM

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Which is the tenth voice in your head then? George Bush? :lol: 


sorry but g.b. cant complete a full sentance. :p 
April 12, 2007 2:14:14 AM

The tenth voice likes playing with unlocked multipliers. He was the one that talked me into getting the X6800
April 12, 2007 2:17:48 AM

*Political and diplomatic silence*

Lets stay on topic before the Justice Dept. finds another reason to make a late night visit to me.
April 12, 2007 2:51:52 AM

Another visit? That doesn't sound good. My mother lived through the german occupation in wwII. She still has nightmares.
p.s.-your mask is on crooked.
April 12, 2007 3:01:26 AM

That I know....
April 12, 2007 3:18:33 AM

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I don't think it overclocks all that well compared to what other people have and I think I have a pretty good setup (no cheapy stuff).
I think the best I get is 2.4ghz with or without increasing the voltage. After that, my PC won't boot as soon as I save the bios settings.
Here's my hardware:

ABIT AN832x nForce4 SLIx16
mushkin extreme 2x1gb DDR500 (running at DDR400)
Opty 170
XFX Geforce 6800xt 256mb x 2 SLI
COOLMAX SLI 600w PSU


Give Mushkin a call or email and get their BIOS recommendations. On my first Opty 170, I managed to get to 2.7GHz with OCZ Platinum DDR500. When I swapped in Mushkin Redline DDR500, I had trouble getting past 2.65 until talking to Mushkin tech support. I'd gotten OCZ hints off of the Bleeding Edge forum and the optimum for the Redline was significantly different. With the tweaks given by Mushkin, I got quickly up to 2.8 dual prime stable and eventually managed to get it to boot and run well at over 2.9 but it wouldn't render video stably there so I've backed it down to 2.6 and it's super stable.
April 12, 2007 3:25:46 AM

Just makin' sure, as you seem to have no pupils in your eyes these days either. Tres cool.
another p.s.-that fool who's been giving you the one star thing's still at it, I see.
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April 12, 2007 4:06:27 AM

I gave you a 5 star to counter the one.

EDIT: make that 2 5 stars.
April 12, 2007 4:10:37 AM

*Bows graciously to the kitty*
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April 12, 2007 4:15:07 AM

Dont worry, as soon as i find out who is doing it, I'll pounce!
April 12, 2007 4:27:59 AM

*Pets the kitty*
April 12, 2007 1:36:43 PM

you might just want to save up for am2+, am2+ has the most steam out of any motherboard since it is backwards compatible with am2 and forwards compatible with am3, youll want to get some good ddr2 ram though since am3 is supposed to support ddr3 and ddr2, if you dont care about upgrading the mobo to am3 that is
April 12, 2007 2:34:24 PM

My x2 3800 939 manchester hits 2.6 @ 1.3 vcore.... cool
April 12, 2007 3:17:13 PM

My 939 4800 x2 maxes around 2600, but mine might be a combination of cpu/crappy g.skill value ram. It was a great deal, 2GB, with 2-3-2-5 timings, but can't overclock barely at all.

I'm tempted to pick up one of the cheapo 165 opty's from newegg, eventhough they're LCBE's and see if i could get to 2.8Ghz. But if I did that I would probably need some better ram.

By the time i got 2GB of decent DDR500 on top of the opty, I'd be spending a good bit of money. And no matter how much i dump into the 939, it gets blown away any basic overclocked C2D... bummer :?
April 12, 2007 3:23:12 PM

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Here's what I had - forgive me, as much as I'm a fan of AMD, the whole hyper transport thing still gets me. And I still use the stock heatsink but the thing is a monster compared to what they put on their previous CPU's.

K8<->NB HT Speed 5x
Item Help NB-->SB HT Speed 4x
NB<--SB HT Speed 4x
K8<->NB HT Width ↓16 ↑16
NB<->SB HT Width ↓16 ↑16


Give us some screen shots of CPUZ on all tabs. I would like to help you hit 2.8.
April 12, 2007 3:42:16 PM

I give some stars to ninja. F@#$ Bytch, all that bytch is good for is flaming.
April 12, 2007 6:47:10 PM

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Try slacking the memory divider to 333mhz or slacking the timings on the memory, if it's your memory holding you back, taht would be how to fix it


Agreed. I had some problems with mine initially, but now the problems seem to be solved...as I'm running my 165 @ 2.7, no problems! (Will likely be pushing to 2.8 soon) Your 170 allows for lower bus speeds, thus lessening the strain on your mobo. Should be able to hit 2.8 fairly easily.

Best of Luck
April 12, 2007 7:31:06 PM

Opteron 185 might be worth a look.
April 12, 2007 8:21:55 PM

I have,

With an 11X and 333, 250fsb, I can boot at 2750, but it fails almost immediately on orthos... :( 

My temps were manageable, but high voltage, and couldn't get it to hold...

I replaced the good stock cooler with zalman 9700, bc stock fan was annoyingly loud high pitch.
April 12, 2007 8:43:12 PM

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I have,

With an 11X and 333, 250fsb, I can boot at 2750, but it fails almost immediately on orthos... :( 

My temps were manageable, but high voltage, and couldn't get it to hold...

I replaced the good stock cooler with zalman 9700, bc stock fan was annoyingly loud high pitch.


Dude, I run my opty 170 at 2.8 24/7 and have tested it to be 100%stable. I have also got it up to 3.1 stable, but the vcore was a bit high.

Go for the 170, it'll be the best money spent.
April 12, 2007 9:15:29 PM

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I have,

With an 11X and 333, 250fsb, I can boot at 2750, but it fails almost immediately on orthos... :( 

My temps were manageable, but high voltage, and couldn't get it to hold...

I replaced the good stock cooler with zalman 9700, bc stock fan was annoyingly loud high pitch.


You did do this after lowering the HHT frequency, right?
April 12, 2007 10:07:43 PM

yes, the ht was x4 for default speed.

My 4800 just couldn't handle it i guess. I'm tempted to get the 165 or 170, but i don't know if the multipliers would lend themselves to giving me close to ~ddr400. My A8n-sli premium doesn't have too many dividers.
April 12, 2007 10:32:39 PM

Newegg's shipping the lcbe's now, which aren't 'known' to be great oc'ers.

I can try and test my mobo to see what kinda fsb's its good for hitting before I buy. Might do that tonite.
April 12, 2007 10:44:58 PM

I actually have a lcb9e stepping. (The new one you refer to) My chip is actually a pretty good OC'er. I had it posting at about 3.1 at 1.45 vcore...but my MSI K8N Neo2 doesn't have chipset voltage adjustments, so its incredibly unstable at that point, which also happens to be about 340 bus speed ( 8O ), so I can't complain. :) 

With the 165, a bus speed of 300 and a ram divider of "133" (not sure what type of BIOS you have, ratios or numeric) yields a ram speed of 400mhz and a clock speed of 2700 mhz, so that is a viable goal if your ram sucks.

Best of Luck
April 12, 2007 11:28:25 PM

Boot times are pretty good. They improved a heck of a lot from what I did have, a WD 1200JB, a good drive in its time (2003) to be sure, but not exactly award winning nowadays. You might have noticed (probably not) that I used to have 3 and now I only have 2 raptors. My mobo only has bus locks on 2 SATA ports, so I couldn't overclock with 3 drives very well. (2.0~2.2 stable) With 3 raptors, I could get about 120mb/s average transfer rate with Sandra. With 2, I now get about 90 mb/s. Keep in mind that these are the old and small raptors. (I got them on ebay for $75 for 2 of them!) And that I'm using an ancient Nforce 3 chipset...so your performance may vary.

The XP startup for my 2 raptors and a fresh windows install is about 15 seconds from the end of the BIOS to the password screen. Not too shabby if I do say so myself. The biggest difference that I see with the raptors is how responsive everything feels. Its kind of like upgrading your ram...the loading times of EVERYTHING seem to go down. (C & C 3 levels load in about 12 seconds!) I love my raptors! 8)
April 12, 2007 11:45:48 PM

Sup guys,

Quick tests. Tried a possible 165 setting:
3x ht
266 mem
9x multi (tried 8x too)
300fsb
1.45 Vcore.

Could NOT get into windows. Just wouldn't do it.

So then I backed the fsb down to 270, upd the mult to 10x, and I'm running @ 2700 as we speak.

The trouble is I'm still failing orthos in just a few minutes... :oops: 

I think my cpu maxes somewhere below 2700, and my board wont do monster fsb'.

Ideas?
April 13, 2007 12:05:56 AM

Stability is NOT a problem. The only time I had a problem was when I had three of them, and OC'ed the processor, and the bus speed, a little too much. I had to reset the bios, but no big deal, and no data loss. I did have to reinstall windows (today actually!) but it was my ram...its really crappy stuff, but OC's like a mofo and the price was right! ($60 for both sticks; new) Anyway, the ram killed my pc during startup.....and removed critical system files....yay! So now I have the ram at a slightly more conservative 491mhz. 8) (as opposed to 578mhz as it was before.)

@duffsr: It sounds like your mobo really doesn't like high bus speeds. From what I've heard of that board, that is pretty typical however. Can you make chipset voltage adjustments? If you can, raise it a bit. Make sure to use the higher 10x multiplier as well, as it lessens the chipset strain. What are your temps at 2700?

Best of Luck
April 13, 2007 12:26:10 AM

Temps at 2700 weren't bad. With the fan on auto (low) it idled in the mid thirties, and got close to 50 under load.

I dropped the fsb to 265, multi 10, ram @ ddr440 and have been orthos stable for the past 10 minutes... A little bit higher than my previous settings.

I need to turn the vcore back down some, see if it will play nice at 1.375 or so...

Chipset voltage has two settings i believe, and i had it on the higher of the two.

Looks like it will stay here for now... :roll: 2.65Ghz

Thanks for the help though!

Looks like I would need the Opty 175 to get any gain over my 4800, those are running like ~$230 i think right now... hmm
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April 13, 2007 1:32:43 AM

Kinda off topic again, but what exactly is the point of the voting system? "Yay, I've got 4 stars next to my post!" :roll: :roll:
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April 13, 2007 2:07:22 AM

Its like a silent flame.
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April 13, 2007 2:11:00 AM

Yea lol.
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April 13, 2007 2:13:52 AM

:D 
April 13, 2007 2:20:54 AM

Your old man won't let you. /harsh reality
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April 13, 2007 2:23:36 AM

Maybe sell tacos?
April 13, 2007 2:26:46 AM

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I could sell tacos, anyone want to buy one? Just $10.99 + shipping and handeling+random taco taxes ending at a total or.. $100


Now how fresh will they be?
April 13, 2007 2:27:52 AM

Wow... I'm gone for a day and there's like 30 some replies. Sheesh.
Someone asked for screenshots from CPUZ but unfortunately I'm about 10,000 miles away from my computer. So, I won't be able to get those on here any time soon.
It looks like I do need to mess with the settings on my memory to get it to jump above 2.5 and possibly talk to Mushkin as well
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April 13, 2007 2:32:54 AM

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No, I talked forever with him, and he finally says I can buy it at my own risk, though he won't like it

What does he mean by "at your own risk"? Sounds alot like my dad, but he'd say no, period.
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April 13, 2007 2:42:53 AM

So do you use your dads pc? See I'm using my own, and dad isnt going to by me one. But he got an NEC 20" for himself.
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