I'm thinkin about upgrading my CPU to the FX60 but I see it is not sold by newegg or TigerDirect. Other than Ebay, is there a good website to purchase older CPU's?
http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__AMD [...] earch=fx60
Why are you looking to buy one anyways? Its' price/performance ratio isn't the greatest.
Nope. If the're not on Pricewatch then you're back at auction sites. You could try Anandtech or some other classifieds. You must have got some bad stepping in that 170, huh?
I don't think it overclocks all that well compared to what other people have and I think I have a pretty good setup (no cheapy stuff).
I think the best I get is 2.4ghz with or without increasing the voltage. After that, my PC won't boot as soon as I save the bios settings.
Here's my hardware:
ABIT AN832x nForce4 SLIx16
mushkin extreme 2x1gb DDR500 (running at DDR400)
Opty 170
XFX Geforce 6800xt 256mb x 2 SLI
COOLMAX SLI 600w PSU
About the best Socket 939 CPU Newegg has is this. Considering the pricing of AM2 CPU's and the new AM2+ CPU's due out in less than 6 months, better off saving towards a new machine.
I'm avoiding rebuilding a new system since this current setup is not even a year old and still runs great - even on Vista Ultimate. I can throw another 2 gig on the machine and upgrade the video cards and it'd still be a smokin machine. But thanks for the input on the CPU
The opteron should easily clock as high or higher than the FX60. Do you use the memory divider/HTT divider to keep those 2 factors within spec? You shouldn't need any voltage increase to get 2.6 - 2.8 GHz. I've had an ASUS A8N-E mobo that wouldn't overclock worth crap, but 2 cheap boards (Asrock 939 dual sata and Biostar 6100) that get a 170 to 2.8 GHz easy.
If you really can't clock it up above 2.4 GHz, perhaps wait for next generation stuff as others said, though it is your money, after all. A socket 939 opteron @ 2.4GHz is still decent, if you have tight memory timings.
Here's what I had - forgive me, as much as I'm a fan of AMD, the whole hyper transport thing still gets me. And I still use the stock heatsink but the thing is a monster compared to what they put on their previous CPU's.
K8<->NB HT Speed 5x
Item Help NB-->SB HT Speed 4x
NB<--SB HT Speed 4x
K8<->NB HT Width ↓16 ↑16
NB<->SB HT Width ↓16 ↑16
Wow. Thats sad. My Opty 165 hits 2.8 without a voltage bump. Yeah, it sounds like your having a problem with the HTT speed. Reduce the NB value to 4x. I'm not really sure if that will work, as my HTT adjustment is rather primitive compared to that. I know that you have to lower the HTT speed to 4x at ~230 bus speed, and 3x at ~260. This should allow you to overclock higher....with any luck.
Sounds like I'll hold off on replacing the CPU then and maybe spend the dough on more memory. Thanks everyone for the help.
I can't say, but there was a barebones with the fx for $400 a while ago, don't know what happened to it though. But the opty 170 should oc just as far as the fx, so I don't see the reason to buy an fx at this point
Just keep your opty.
Nine out of ten voices in my head tell me to tell you to keep the Opteron.
Which is the tenth voice in your head then? George Bush?
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sorry but g.b. cant complete a full sentance.
The tenth voice likes playing with unlocked multipliers. He was the one that talked me into getting the X6800
ahh, so that can't be bush then, he doesn't know how to unlock his door 8O
*Political and diplomatic silence*
Lets stay on topic before the Justice Dept. finds another reason to make a late night visit to me.
Another visit? That doesn't sound good. My mother lived through the german occupation in wwII. She still has nightmares.
p.s.-your mask is on crooked.
That I know....
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Give Mushkin a call or email and get their BIOS recommendations. On my first Opty 170, I managed to get to 2.7GHz with OCZ Platinum DDR500. When I swapped in Mushkin Redline DDR500, I had trouble getting past 2.65 until talking to Mushkin tech support. I'd gotten OCZ hints off of the Bleeding Edge forum and the optimum for the Redline was significantly different. With the tweaks given by Mushkin, I got quickly up to 2.8 dual prime stable and eventually managed to get it to boot and run well at over 2.9 but it wouldn't render video stably there so I've backed it down to 2.6 and it's super stable.
Just makin' sure, as you seem to have no pupils in your eyes these days either. Tres cool.
another p.s.-that fool who's been giving you the one star thing's still at it, I see.
I gave you a 5 star to counter the one.
EDIT: make that 2 5 stars.
*Bows graciously to the kitty*
Dont worry, as soon as i find out who is doing it, I'll pounce!
*Pets the kitty*
It's possible it's more than one person though, or it's probably just mrs.bytch, it's up to no good again is my guess. That person is really going through a lot of effort to vote ninja down, so my guess is it's either mrs.bytch or it's multiple people, because whoever is doing this really must have a lot of time on their hands
you might just want to save up for am2+, am2+ has the most steam out of any motherboard since it is backwards compatible with am2 and forwards compatible with am3, youll want to get some good ddr2 ram though since am3 is supposed to support ddr3 and ddr2, if you dont care about upgrading the mobo to am3 that is
My x2 3800 939 manchester hits 2.6 @ 1.3 vcore.... cool
My 939 4800 x2 maxes around 2600, but mine might be a combination of cpu/crappy g.skill value ram. It was a great deal, 2GB, with 2-3-2-5 timings, but can't overclock barely at all.
I'm tempted to pick up one of the cheapo 165 opty's from newegg, eventhough they're LCBE's and see if i could get to 2.8Ghz. But if I did that I would probably need some better ram.
By the time i got 2GB of decent DDR500 on top of the opty, I'd be spending a good bit of money. And no matter how much i dump into the 939, it gets blown away any basic overclocked C2D... bummer :?
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Give us some screen shots of CPUZ on all tabs. I would like to help you hit 2.8.
I give some stars to ninja. F@#$ Bytch, all that bytch is good for is flaming.
Try slacking the memory divider to 333mhz or slacking the timings on the memory, if it's your memory holding you back, taht would be how to fix it
AdamBomb42: I'm not sure if it's bytch or not, but my guess is it's it that is doing this. He's just pissed off at anyone in general with a higher post count than him, I remembered he kept spamming me with insults for a week or so until he just gave up since it didn't phase me
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Agreed. I had some problems with mine initially, but now the problems seem to be solved...as I'm running my 165 @ 2.7, no problems! (Will likely be pushing to 2.8 soon) Your 170 allows for lower bus speeds, thus lessening the strain on your mobo. Should be able to hit 2.8 fairly easily.
Best of Luck
That's my guess, most of the x2s stopped around 2.6ghz except the 4800, which generally made it to 2.8ghz out of the 939 x2s, the am2 ones however overclock high consistantly (relative)
Opteron 185 might be worth a look.
Why? Where are you goign to reach with the 185? 3.105ghz? Not worth it imo, the 170 ocs far enough if you know how to fine tune well, or even without fine tuning it still hits high frequencies
I have,
With an 11X and 333, 250fsb, I can boot at 2750, but it fails almost immediately on orthos...
My temps were manageable, but high voltage, and couldn't get it to hold...
I replaced the good stock cooler with zalman 9700, bc stock fan was annoyingly loud high pitch.
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Dude, I run my opty 170 at 2.8 24/7 and have tested it to be 100%stable. I have also got it up to 3.1 stable, but the vcore was a bit high.
Go for the 170, it'll be the best money spent.
but you can reach 3ghz with an opty 170 though, so I see no point to buy an fx
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You did do this after lowering the HHT frequency, right?
I just noticed that, leaving the ht at 5 will definitely stop you cold turkey at 250ht, max you could get away with would probably be 225ht before you blow your ht/vrm
yes, the ht was x4 for default speed.
My 4800 just couldn't handle it i guess. I'm tempted to get the 165 or 170, but i don't know if the multipliers would lend themselves to giving me close to ~ddr400. My A8n-sli premium doesn't have too many dividers.
Hnn, I would consider the 165 since the price differences between the 939 dualies are kinda steep and the 165 will at least hit 2.8/2.9ghz from what I've seen
Newegg's shipping the lcbe's now, which aren't 'known' to be great oc'ers.
I can try and test my mobo to see what kinda fsb's its good for hitting before I buy. Might do that tonite.
I actually have a lcb9e stepping. (The new one you refer to) My chip is actually a pretty good OC'er. I had it posting at about 3.1 at 1.45 vcore...but my MSI K8N Neo2 doesn't have chipset voltage adjustments, so its incredibly unstable at that point, which also happens to be about 340 bus speed ( 8O ), so I can't complain.
With the 165, a bus speed of 300 and a ram divider of "133" (not sure what type of BIOS you have, ratios or numeric) yields a ram speed of 400mhz and a clock speed of 2700 mhz, so that is a viable goal if your ram sucks.
Best of Luck
I know this is off topic, but I'm wondering, how fast are your boot time with raid0 raptors? I've always wondered that because that will determine whether I will buy a raptor or not
Boot times are pretty good. They improved a heck of a lot from what I did have, a WD 1200JB, a good drive in its time (2003) to be sure, but not exactly award winning nowadays. You might have noticed (probably not) that I used to have 3 and now I only have 2 raptors. My mobo only has bus locks on 2 SATA ports, so I couldn't overclock with 3 drives very well. (2.0~2.2 stable) With 3 raptors, I could get about 120mb/s average transfer rate with Sandra. With 2, I now get about 90 mb/s. Keep in mind that these are the old and small raptors. (I got them on ebay for $75 for 2 of them!) And that I'm using an ancient Nforce 3 chipset...so your performance may vary.
The XP startup for my 2 raptors and a fresh windows install is about 15 seconds from the end of the BIOS to the password screen. Not too shabby if I do say so myself. The biggest difference that I see with the raptors is how responsive everything feels. Its kind of like upgrading your ram...the loading times of EVERYTHING seem to go down. (C & C 3 levels load in about 12 seconds!) I love my raptors! 8)
Sweet man, 15s sounds very nice to me, I'm planning on getting one regular 150gig raptor for a starter, then adding a second for raid0 down the road, that's gonna be awesome (btw, how's your stability with raid0 raptors, do you ever have to reinstall windows because of that?)
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