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My wait is over--first impressions of the 8800gts 320MB

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April 12, 2007 4:14:37 PM

Hey guys,
This is my first time to ever own a video card that is as current as this one, so as one would expect I was looking for a super great card. What I found was something so much different.

Well, my previous card was the ATI x700 PCIx16 128MB GDDR3 Sapphire card, which was really a decent card that I'm definately holding onto for a while. Looking at Cleeve's video chipset hierarchy chart, the card I have is about 10 tiers ahead of it. It didn't exceed my expectations--to say that would be a huge understatement. The difference is incomparable--3dMark06's demo changed from 3-4FPS avg. to (darn, just watched demo didnt run the test...had to be at least 50-60fps it looked like. Will update with actual results when I get them). Unbelievable.

The 8800gts is an awesome video card so far beyond my biggest expectations, it was almost a dream...this sucka flies like the wind! The 8800gts is by far the best video card for the money, hands down! I've watched the x1950xt in 3DMark06 and maybe the guy showing me had the settings customised, but it did not flow nearly as smoothly as this card does. His 3.4GHz Pentium 4 may have been bottlenecking his pc as well...

Needless to say, if you buy an 8800gts, as long as it's not a 'fake' version or a crippled/doa card, it will not disappoint. I know half of you guys already know what I'm saying and to you I'm just showing how little I really know about video cards, but I could not even fathom the difference this card makes on my pc--it makes the upgrade from my SiS 305 PCI video card to the GeForce4 Ti4200 look like a small step and not a big one. Truley unbelievable.

More to come...not that anyone cares :) 
April 12, 2007 4:24:31 PM

Congrats... Have fun! :) 
Anonymous
April 12, 2007 4:45:37 PM

I just love getting new toys !!
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April 12, 2007 5:04:57 PM

Quote:
Hey guys,
This is my first time to ever own a video card that is as current as this one, so as one would expect I was looking for a super great card. What I found was something so much different.

Well, my previous card was the ATI x700 PCIx16 128MB GDDR3 Sapphire card, which was really a decent card that I'm definately holding onto for a while. Looking at Cleeve's video chipset hierarchy chart, the card I have is about 10 tiers ahead of it. It didn't exceed my expectations--to say that would be a huge understatement. The difference is incomparable--3dMark06's demo changed from 3-4FPS avg. to (darn, just watched demo didnt run the test...had to be at least 50-60fps it looked like. Will update with actual results when I get them). Unbelievable.

The 8800gts is an awesome video card so far beyond my biggest expectations, it was almost a dream...this sucka flies like the wind! The 8800gts is by far the best video card for the money, hands down! I've watched the x1950xt in 3DMark06 and maybe the guy showing me had the settings customised, but it did not flow nearly as smoothly as this card does. His 3.4GHz Pentium 4 may have been bottlenecking his pc as well...

Needless to say, if you buy an 8800gts, as long as it's not a 'fake' version or a crippled/doa card, it will not disappoint. I know half of you guys already know what I'm saying and to you I'm just showing how little I really know about video cards, but I could not even fathom the difference this card makes on my pc--it makes the upgrade from my SiS 305 PCI video card to the GeForce4 Ti4200 look like a small step and not a big one. Truley unbelievable.

More to come...not that anyone cares :) 



GOOD POST :D  :trophy:
April 12, 2007 5:35:35 PM

What's your setup...Psu(12v rail),proc,mem,mobo,etc....would like to see what its running on so perfectly 8O 8O .I love it when a plan comes together...My room has a glow of green to it,I believe it's radiateing my envy :twisted: :twisted: ...sounds sweet.
April 12, 2007 6:22:40 PM

...But I want it daddy! :cry: 
April 12, 2007 6:44:24 PM

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What's your setup...Psu(12v rail),proc,mem,mobo,etc....would like to see what its running on so perfectly 8O 8O .I love it when a plan comes together...My room has a glow of green to it,I believe it's radiateing my envy :twisted: :twisted: ...sounds sweet.


My signature has most data, the stuff not in my sig:

1. Some ancient case God only knows what it is--bought it in 2000, but it works :) 

2. DVDRW drive is 16x dual-layer, don't know the exact model off the top of my head;

3. Have an old 30GB WDC-WD300AB drive as a primary slave; and

4. Started using an old 4.1 PCI soundblaster card (the oldschool version had a game port and everything).

PSU info: http://www.antec.com/specs/true550_spe.html

My RAM is Kingston brand, but before you laugh, it has worked fine for a year and a half now, so I have no reason to change it. Oh, and I don't overclock...not that I am one of those "overclocking is the devil" believers either.

However, I do think it is stupid when people complain when their cpu fries in 6 months, so when I ask if they overclock, well they did, and they just complain day and night until everyone around them starts wearing earplugs, yet until asked they neglect to mention that tidbit. Let's just say I think "overclocking when performed by stupid people who complain about their ignorance to the world after they fry their cpu" are the devil :) 

Eh, not sure how I got this far off subject...guess I just have too much free time at work.
April 12, 2007 7:13:21 PM

I have an opty165(1.8 stock)and a gig of bh-5 powered by a silverstone 520w zeus(12v#1 16amps,12v#2 15amps 375w)on a nf-95(the only way to oc it is to have a clock generator).I'm wondering if I can run a 8800gts 320mb card also with no botttlenecks,the card site says to have a min. of 28amps on 12v rail,whatdoyouthink...anyone?P.S.kudos on your setup and new toy :D  !!
April 12, 2007 7:20:05 PM

Congrats. Happy gaming.
April 12, 2007 8:14:44 PM

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The 8800gts is an awesome video card

:trophy: I agree 100%, my 7800gt@478/1170 was showing it's age when I had to cut back the gfx in bf2142 & GRAW, but after I got my evga 8800gts 320 every game I have to date runs max gfx@1280.

Some may say my CPU is a bottleneck, but I keep reading that as "you now have a futureproof GPU" :D 

my specs:

opty175 & Scythe SCNJ-1100P
EVGA 133-K8-NF41 & G.Skill F1-3200PHU2-2GBZX (2x1GB 2-3-2-5)
EVGA 8800gts 320mb
3 x hdd's & 1 x dvd
old Gateway 500mhz server case & 2 x 120mm fans & aerocool gatewatch
Antec TPII-480 blue
April 12, 2007 8:44:36 PM

I wish they would make PCIe 16x mobos with socket A or 478.


Damn. 8800gtx in my old Compaq 486... that would rock.
April 12, 2007 9:28:26 PM

Congrats on the new card! I have the EVGA 640mb version OC to KO specs and it a nice improvement even compared to my OC'd 7900GT.


MSI K8N-Neo F
FX60 @ 2.9
Zalman 9500
2g Corsair XMS 3200
EVGA 8800GTS 640 OC 575/1700
WD 150 Raptor
WD Caviar SE16 250
LG DWD R/W x 2
LIAN LI PC-65B w/Ultra 500 PSU
April 13, 2007 5:15:00 AM

hey congratulations for the new card! the 8800gts 320mb is for sure the best vga for the money, nice post.
April 13, 2007 5:39:35 AM

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hey congratulations for the new card! the 8800gts 320mb is for sure the best vga for the money, nice post.


:D  i love way how the trend goes postive posting :lol: 
April 13, 2007 1:46:39 PM

I've never even owned a grafx card, and the best visuals ive seen were from either my xbox 1 or my dads work laptop (with a mobility x300).

3 more componrnts to go and then bliss.
April 13, 2007 2:54:54 PM

I have an 8800 GTX (600/2000) and have never been happier - scored
12975 in 3DMark06 - not sure if that's great, but completed Stalker recently with everything on high with no stutter or anything! I'm not even bothered about the R600 - the 8800 fulfilsall my requirements!
Sounds like a TV Ad ! :D 
April 13, 2007 3:25:02 PM

:D  :D  Congrats :D  :D 
For me its a nice improvement (huge improvement in some games like Test Drive Unlimited) from X1900XTX to 8800GTS :twisted:
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 3:44:19 PM

I went X1950XT iceQ Turbo to a reference clocked 8800GTS 320MB and was a bit diassapointed. I did it because it supported higher res surround gaming, which the ATI cards don't.

I didn't try TDU on the X1950XT, but the 8800GTS does great at it. That game's video settings adjustments are so limited it needs a 256MB card. I tried an XP2500+ 9800 pro and at the lowest settings it still has fps in the teens.

But Oblivion, I got less of a boost in the most demanding areas than I expected. I wish I had the GTX or at least the 640MB GTS, but $260 was just too good a price for the evga with Dark Messiah. But I still expected that at 1680x1050 the GTS would have spanked the X1950XT, and it didn't. Hardwarezones 8600GTS review showed the same results I got between the two. Oh well, I can OC it.

Anyway, For him coming from a X700, he must be blown away though.
April 13, 2007 7:10:37 PM

Hi Pauldh.
i didn't have much time to test the new card(University Projects, etc), but with X1900XTX i played the TDU @10x7+HDR+4xAA(25~45FPS) but now @16x12+HDR+4xAA(40~65FPS :D  HUGE difference)
in Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium War i see no difference between X1900XTX & 8800GTS 640Mb (Both @12x10+Max in game AA (~30FPS).
this is because the X1900Series cards are still so powerful.
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But Oblivion, I got less of a boost in the most demanding areas than I expected. I wish I had the GTX or at least the 640MB GTS, but $260 was just too good a price for the evga with Dark Messiah. But I still expected that at 1680x1050 the GTS would have spanked the X1950XT, and it didn't.

why don't try A LITTLE lower resolutions? Like 1280x1024. I think you will see larger boost over X1950XT in lower resolutions.Even @ 1024x768 with 16xQAA the game looks Beautiful.I know that you know it better than me.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 7:22:18 PM

I have a 22" LCD and the native res is 1680x1050. That will be the only resolution I game at on that monitor. Anyway, I had settings cranked with 4xAA and 16xAF + HDR. Max in game details except shadow filtering low, no self shadows and no shadows on grass. Plus I run a couple texture mods that make distant land look better, but hurt performance. I can easily tweak it. 2XAA alone helped.

Here are actual framerates in a very stressful outdoor FRAPS benchmark of Oblivion. No question the GTS was better, but a 4fps ave and 4 fps low increase was less than expected and not as playable as I'd like to see.

4xAA/16xAF + HDR
April 13, 2007 7:52:41 PM

You mean to tell me that your down to 4fps 8O ,thought it would be a lil diffrent with that card??
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 8:10:37 PM

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You mean to tell me that your down to 4fps 8O ,thought it would be a lil diffrent with that card??

No it was a 4 fps difference between the two at the low, which really happened at a point where the game stuttered as a lot of background scenerary popped into view. 10 fps for the X1950XT and 14 fps for the 8800GTS were the minimum framerates. I expect6ed the 8800GTS is stay above 20 fps all the time and near 30 fps most of the time. As you can see, that didn't happen. Granted, with the texture mods and fsaa, I just may be asking too much for the 256MB and 320MB of ram.
April 13, 2007 8:31:40 PM

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You mean to tell me that your down to 4fps 8O ,thought it would be a lil diffrent with that card??

No it was a 4 fps difference between the two at the low, which really happened at a point where the game stuttered as a lot of background scenerary popped into view. 10 fps for the X1950XT and 14 fps for the 8800GTS were the minimum framerates. I expect6ed the 8800GTS is stay above 20 fps all the time and near 30 fps most of the time. As you can see, that didn't happen. Granted, with the texture mods and fsaa, I just may be asking too much for the 256MB and 320MB of ram.

I am starting to have problems. Oddley enough, the symptoms seem to indicate my cpu is the culprit--the cpu temp is getting close to 60 Celsius for the core temperature, which is dang hot for my cpu if Im not mistaken. Never happened with my previous video card. No, I haven't even touched the cpu or heatsink since it was operating at or below 54 Celsius when busy, havent changed anything...except the video card.

Perhaps it is sucking air that normally goes to the cpu to come straight to my gpu instead? Any ideas?

Also seems to be affecting stability. WoW has crashed the past few times I played it, after playing for an hour or more. I suspect the cpu temp. is causing the instability as well, but can't say for sure.

I know this is unrelated to these other issues--but I want to mention I have a spare Antec NeoPower 430He PSU sitting around that I wanted to use for another PC. Well, it says it has 3 12V rails at 16A each--should I be using that thing? Is it better than my old TruePower? Also states it is total of 285W for the +12v total wattage if that says anything.

One last question--IS IT POSSIBLE that a Power Supply with insufficient power could cause your unit to run hotter than it normally would? Is there a technological explaination for such a theory? Basically what are the chances that if I upgraded my PSU it would have any effect whatsoever to clear out the problems I currently seem to be having?
April 13, 2007 9:34:19 PM

I was afraid of the psu scenario...whats the temps on your psu?what about case fans?haveing (3) 12v rails should help,although the amps seem fine its the total wattage that bothers me,as I was saying Milchfamily told me that I was 1 amp from running the 8800gtx correctly(silverstone 520w #1 12v rail 16 amps #2 12vrail 15 amps @ 375w),I was wondering if that still applies to the 8800gts 320mb(site says 28amps on 12v rail).I would buy a psu and protect my investment :wink: .gl :D 
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 10:00:11 PM

Your PSU should be fine if it's a true power 2.0 with dual rails. Not sure about the original Truepower. My True Control is the same PSU as the truepower 2, just with a 5.25" voltage adjustment panel. It has dual 19 AMP 12V rails with a combined max of 36 AMPS on the two. Mine has been very stable with below specs and two opticals.
April 13, 2007 10:28:36 PM

My TP has just a single 30A 12V rail :(  So just one question left: am I better off using the NeoPower or the old TruePower version? Sure the whole "buy another one" answer is all well and good, but I kind of found myself in a rut since I just had to have all 4 tires replaced on my car...so I'm actually tight for money right now (!)

So if you want to give me an easy answer, just mail me the new PSU of your choice to my home address at ' ' ' (obviously I'm kidding), or at least tell me if one is better than the other or are they too close? Antec NeoPower 430 meaning 430 Watts total, but 285W max specifically to the +12v rails (but each of the 3 12v rails are rated 16A individually). So is the neopower "more betterer" than the old truepower one or it isn't enough difference to matter?
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 10:37:53 PM

285watts total is about 24 amps AFAIK. Unless it has age'd and now offers less, I'd have to think the Truepower has the better 12v.

Check your voltages and see if the 12v is dipping.
April 13, 2007 10:39:34 PM

Didn't mean to put the scare on you .Just tryin to come up with a solution,and video card was the last peice of the puzzle...Did your psu get taxed in this fashion when you installed your card(8800)?Your cpu?Anyone?
April 13, 2007 11:13:44 PM

Quote:
Hey guys,
This is my first time to ever own a video card that is as current as this one, so as one would expect I was looking for a super great card. What I found was something so much different.

Well, my previous card was the ATI x700 PCIx16 128MB GDDR3 Sapphire card, which was really a decent card that I'm definately holding onto for a while. Looking at Cleeve's video chipset hierarchy chart, the card I have is about 10 tiers ahead of it. It didn't exceed my expectations--to say that would be a huge understatement. The difference is incomparable--3dMark06's demo changed from 3-4FPS avg. to (darn, just watched demo didnt run the test...had to be at least 50-60fps it looked like. Will update with actual results when I get them). Unbelievable.

The 8800gts is an awesome video card so far beyond my biggest expectations, it was almost a dream...this sucka flies like the wind! The 8800gts is by far the best video card for the money, hands down! I've watched the x1950xt in 3DMark06 and maybe the guy showing me had the settings customised, but it did not flow nearly as smoothly as this card does. His 3.4GHz Pentium 4 may have been bottlenecking his pc as well...

Needless to say, if you buy an 8800gts, as long as it's not a 'fake' version or a crippled/doa card, it will not disappoint. I know half of you guys already know what I'm saying and to you I'm just showing how little I really know about video cards, but I could not even fathom the difference this card makes on my pc--it makes the upgrade from my SiS 305 PCI video card to the GeForce4 Ti4200 look like a small step and not a big one. Truley unbelievable.

More to come...not that anyone cares :) 


Good Post, and congrats :trophy:

Thats how I felt when I got my new parts back in January, But I can't talk about it here because everyone wants to flame me for having the best video card I've ever owned, an X1950XT

:evil: 
April 13, 2007 11:47:20 PM

Dangit, I keep misquoting :( 

Okay, all at once now...the official TruePower 550 specs: http://www.antec.com/specs/true550_spe.html

And the NeoPower 430: http://www.antec.com/specs/NeoHE430_spe.html

So there--ignore all my incorrect statments from before about the 285W thing. Basically: we know the TP has a SINGLE 12v rail of 30 Amps, we KNOW the Neo has THREE SEPARATE RAILS that operate INDIVIDUALY at a max of 16 Amps, but the COMBINED TOTAL OF WATTS FOR ALL THREE RAILS is 384 Watts.

Now that I finally have the correct info here and the links all in one place we can perhaps figure this out :) 
April 14, 2007 12:26:46 AM

Haha, I recently bought a 8800GTS 320Mb, with some other upgrades. After a day and a half of playing with it, I am ecstatic with the results. Best bang for 250 bucks I've seen in awhile. I'll tell my story too, just for the hell of it.

I upgraded from a 7600GT to the 8800GTS 320Mb, 1Gb kit of DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 to 2Gb kit of G.Skill's DDR2-800 4-4-3-5, and switched out the dissapointing MSI P965 Platinum to the better overclocking Gigabyte DS3.

The old system's 3DMark05 scores with my e6400 at 2.66Ghz, 333FSB, DDR2 at 666Mhz, and 7600GT was about 6400 points with Game 1's initial frames peaking at 40FPS with lows around 15FPS. Post-upgrade, at totally stock clocks, 2.13Ghz CPU, 513/793 GPU, 12500 3DMarks with Game 1's initial scene peaking around 69FPS with lows around 27FPS. After minimal tweaking I got the CPU to 3.2Ghz, 400FSB rock stable, and the 8800GTS to 600/900, I went up to an impressive 17000 3DMarks, with Game 1's initial scene peaking at 94FPS and lows around 35FPS.

Where it really counts though, is how amazingly well S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Supreme Commander now play. In STALKER, with Object Dynamic lighting, 1280x1024, and mostly full sliders, frames were dismally into the low 20's, now, I have averages around 55FPS and lows of 40FPS mith max detail at 1600x1200. Loading up STALKER went from a few minutes down to about thirty seconds, I couldn't be happier with the upgrade.

So there you have another lengthy testimonial to the greatness of the 8800GTS :p .
a b U Graphics card
April 14, 2007 12:39:59 AM

Hmm, some pretty convincing stuff here.
I have a X1950Pro I was thinking of getting another and going Crossfire. For all those in the know, should I drop $200 on another X1950pro, or just yank out the one I have and do the 8800 thing? I hate to add another video card to my stockpile in the closet, I alread have a 700pro, and X850XT PE sitting on the shelf.
But if you guys think it's all that, maybe I should spend a little more and take the plunge with the 8800?
What would you all do in my case?
April 14, 2007 12:48:10 AM

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Hmm, some pretty convincing stuff here.
I have a X1950Pro I was thinking of getting another and going Crossfire. For all those in the know, should I drop $200 on another X1950pro, or just yank out the one I have and do the 8800 thing? I hate to add another video card to my stockpile in the closet, I alread have a 700pro, and X850XT PE sitting on the shelf.
But if you guys think it's all that, maybe I should spend a little more and take the plunge with the 8800?
What would you all do in my case?


From an X700 and a 7600GT, the 8800GTS is a huge jump, definately worth the 250 bucks, from an X1950Pro, the performance jump will be less extreme, but based on the "Crossfire-on-a-stick" article, assuming a real crossfire setup would only perfom slightly better+hassle, I would be more inclined to do the 8800GTS thing.
April 14, 2007 12:51:07 AM

Tough call. Honestly the big reason I upgraded was because my x700 was so "back then" and while most games were playable at 1024x768 at low or medium settings, I wanted to try some ultra settings in there. Well coming from an old x700 pro to a 8800gts is frikin awesome to me, that is like 10 tiers away from the x700 in Cleeve's video card hierchy chart.

Upgrading from the x1950 Pro to the 8800gts? I haven't used an x1950 before, but I'd imagine that thing isn't far from the performance of the 8800gts in comparison. No doubt you'd notice a difference, but I can't say you would want to buy the 320MB version to replace the x1950 pro either, it just wouldn't be a huge enough jump in performance to me to justify the price. Of course, if it were $200 or less, it'd be quite appealing.

The 8800gts will not WOW you like it did me is all I'm saying because I'm coming from an x700 and you're coming from a card that would have "WOWed" me if I had bought it instead of this one too. Also the comments above indicate that the 8800gts is not all pie in the sky. First impression was great...but second one is getting annoying. Of course it's mostly my PC's problem and not the video card's though.
a b U Graphics card
April 14, 2007 1:00:37 AM

Thanks for the ideas. I may just go ahead with my Crossfire plans just so I can say I did it, wait around for the next release of DX10 cards and see what's up then. If my wife see's another video card in closet, I may be sleeping on the sofa until the next round of DX10 cards anyway!
April 14, 2007 1:06:01 AM

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Thanks for the ideas. I may just go ahead with my Crossfire plans just so I can say I did it, wait around for the next release of DX10 cards and see what's up then. If my wife see's another video card in closet, I may be sleeping on the sofa until the next round of DX10 cards anyway!


Heh, Ebay, perhaps?
April 14, 2007 1:47:00 AM

Make a post under psu's and Milchfamily will reply,but im betting the psu you have in there is not adequate.IMO I would refrane from useing it until the prob solved(the other sounds like it would manage but there's a calculator in psu 101 to be sure),you've got alot of nice parts and don't want to damage them,gl :D  .P.S.Keep us posted.
a b U Graphics card
April 14, 2007 4:25:42 AM

384 watts would be 32AMP. If you have issues with the Truepower, give that one a try.
April 14, 2007 5:29:51 AM

Sorry this is not a direct reply to your post but kind of along the same lines. You want to see a jump in video cards I am moving from a ATI 9200 to the nVidia 8800 GTS. I am actually doing a ground up build for my new rig, you can do a search in the forums on my username and find my post on my new rig parts, I have not bought them yet ordering some time next week.

On a slightly unrelated note I am thinking about getting the 640MB version of the GTS I know alot of reviews show the performance between the 320 and the 640 are pretty close if not the same but does anyone think that the 640 mb version will give me a longer usable life out of the card with future games. I mean along the lines of increascing texture sizes etc. As you can tell from my current card I dont upgrade often (money is tight hell I have a Thunderbird 1Ghz and 512mb pc100 ram) and while I normally game at a low res 1024x768 (I know, I know a waste of such a powerful card), although I will be bumping that up with the new card a bit, do you think I can get a good few years from the 640mb as compared to the 320mb version or will the ram difference even matter. I run on a CRT so I have no native res problems and would be happy to keep it at 1024x768 res.
edit: Sorry I wanted to add a congrats to you on your new card. And does anyone have any brand preferences on the new 8800 gts cards, I was looking at a foxconn (had someone tell me they are not that great) but found a good deal on the 640mb bfg oc version for 379 on another site, I won't list it here but if you have to know pm me and I will tell you.
April 14, 2007 7:27:23 AM

Congrats on the new card, everyone loves new toys and a jump like that makes you realize why you love this hobby so much in the first place.

As far as biohazard's post, I was thinking the same myself and according to most of the reviews I have seen there is very little difference between cards especially at such low res. The only reason I would say go for the 640 is because it will give you a little more longevity and in the future you might just want to add another card and go SLI which should give you 4 or 5 years of quality gaming. The only problem with this whole thing is that the system you are using is very old and that Proc. and RAM would be a major bottleneck for any current card, I don't feel you would ever see the true potential of your investment. If your goal is to get the card and then upgrade everything else then I would say go for the 640, you'll just have to play around and search for the bottleneck and upgrade accordingly but when you get it it still will be a night and day difference from what you have now.
April 14, 2007 7:44:12 AM

My first card was a 3DFX Voodoo 3 which was upgraded to a Radeon 9000 Pro and when I went to the best on the planet (for about a week) and much maligned FX5900 Ultra I thought that it doesn't get much better than this (for about a week). Now I am writing this on a P2 333 and patiently building a new best system on the planet so I like most on this board know what it's like to get the part you've been dreaming of for some time, it just makes you smile, enjoy.
April 14, 2007 9:26:23 AM

Actually that is what I am doing, I am doing a complete from the ground up build with what I have listed here in this post:
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?nam...

but I have changed to 3 gigs of ram instead of 2 just for the future and besides one can never have enough ram or hard drive space. It would cost way to much to upgrade my current system since the main guts are close to 7 years old cpu ram and mobo wise.
April 14, 2007 10:41:53 AM

If you think you are impressed,I am building a system on tuesday for a buddy of mine and he will have an AM2 X2 5200+ as well as an EVGA 8800gts 320 video card.Compare those two components alone with his current(really old system),pentium2 266mhz cpu and an ATI all in wonder with 4 megs of ram,I truly believe his eyes might very well jump out of their sockets.LOL.Actually he has seen my current rig and knows what to expect,sort of.Glad to hear you like what you got.Enjoy.

Dahak

AMD X2-4400+@2.6 TOLEDO
EVGA NF4 SLI MB
2X EVGA 7950GT KO IN SLI
4X 512MB CRUCIAL BALLISTIX DDR500
WD300GIG HD/SAMSUNG 250GIG HD
ACER 22IN WIDESCREEN LCD 1600X1200
THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER 850WATT PSU
COOLERMASTER MINI R120
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April 14, 2007 7:08:21 PM

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Actually that is what I am doing, I am doing a complete from the ground up build


Yea I don't know what I was thinking, it was really late and I had a few too many frosty malt beverages. I'm sure the MOBO that you currently have doesn't support PCIe anyway so you would have to be doing a complete build. I looked at your thread and the build looks good although I don't remember what MOBO you've decided on and if it supports SLI. If not you might want to reconsider just to add a little future proofing.

Edit: I just looked at the board and although you can use any single PCIe card the 975 chipset supports crossfire so if you think you might want to add another card down the road you might want to reconsider.
April 14, 2007 7:45:36 PM

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384 watts would be 32AMP. If you have issues with the Truepower, give that one a try.


Aha...Okay then. Interesting that 430Watt Antec beats 550 Watt Antec. Yeah I knew wattage means little in and of itself, it's just...well both are antec and...shoot. Yep I'm probably gonna try that. Sounds weird but my friend told me his psu fried but shortly before that his cpu was getting super hot and he didnt know why. He replaced his psu with a better one and now his cpu runs cooler than ever. WTF is up with that? A better psu might actually solve my problems too--but why?

Heh, the more I learn about building computers, the less I know about them it seems :) 
April 14, 2007 7:57:20 PM

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He replaced his psu with a better one and now his cpu runs cooler than ever.


If by better you mean more powerful and/or more efficient then the PS is producing less heat which will help to reduce the heat in your system, when your internal case temp is lower the air blowing on your CPU will be cooler therefore reducing CPU temps. Also depending on the fan setup on the new PS a larger fan might be increasing airflow in the system or a different positioning of the fan might have increased the efficiency of the cooling flow. There are a lot of factors that go into optimising air flow inside a case to maximize cooling potential.
April 14, 2007 8:09:25 PM

Tried to tell you,Ive been doin a lil homework on this subject...gl :D  .
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