Which is a better graphic card manufacturer : BFG, XFX ?

there's no difference between manufacturer, the only difference will be if they are factory overlclocked.

i was going to say this as well

i d personally go for XFX

BFG!

Yeah I think you're right Dahak...
I could see that the XFX' memory clock and core clock is faster than BFG's for only about 4 $$ 8O
Though don't you think BFG would be better cuz its privately held in US while the XFX is a Hong-Kong company( you can see the difference, huh? )

The last thing is I'M the MOST AGGRESSIVE HARD-CORE GAMER on this planet and the other planets !! but I'm on budget
So Please put yourself in my position and tell me what to choose cuz I'm still confused and why? :?

Hard core gamer or hard core big blue letter writer?

I voted BFG just because i've had 2 of their cards and never called techsupport (I have never owned an xfx or evga).

Too bad the rebate expired on the X1950GT. For $110 it would spank the 7600GT and the X1650XT making either a bad buy unless power requirements or Linux support pushed you toward the 7600GT.

For NV cards, I buy EVGA, BFG, and XFX (and Gainward before they left N. America) All of them are good.

Also, the X1900GT was $130 no rebates for weeks, and now it shot up to $159. It seems these bargains are disappearing, maybe in time for the GF8600 launch?

That's cause you chose the stock one...Here is the o'ced one. (Though only slightly) Overclock it yourself if you care that much. Evga rocks!

both manufacturers are good, xfx offers a free lifetime warranty on all its cards though(great for overclocked cards), dunno what bfg does in terms of warranty support but i personally have always been a fan of xfx and evga. Either way you go you cant lose

You are right , but here is the thing : If its Factory OC'ed , it will be just like you said "close to its max" but in the same time it will be more reliable and last much more longer than the one you self OC'ed which will absolutely affect the card's lifetime...

Why EVGA?

Well for starters they DO have some of the fastest OC'd cards on the market.

BUT in the case that they don't, they still have a lifetime waranty that covers overclocking AND replacement of the HSF, as long as you put on the original if you have to have the card repaired.

Not only that, they have possibly THE best customer support I've ever seen from any company. I've personally delt with them and they blew my socks off with their solution to my problem after the CS director contacted me personally. Had 3 faulty 7900GT KO SC cards (universal issue, every company who OC's their cards had this problem). They finally called me and offered the 7900GT KO 512 which was a nicer card, and free cross-shipping.

And as if that weren't enough, they have the Step-Up program. Trade in any qualifying card for full purchase price within 3 months and put that money towards an upgrade. Want a GTX but could only afford a GTS? Step-Up 3 months later after you save another $150! Need a card but don't know if you want to wait for the 8950GTX KO SC (ok not a real card, but who cares)? Get a 8800 GTX and upgrade in 3 months. It's awesome.

You see, the question isn't "why EVGA?", the question is "why NOT?" lol.

so guys you see that EVGA really stunts and if I go with them I should go with that
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130062

But no one told me his opinion about BFG which are being made in US , shouldn't that gives BFG an extra Quality score in the competition?

BTW what is the different between the card above and this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130073

same price but one has 2 DVI ?!

yeah but here is the awesome thing
the one with the 2 DVIs is cheaper than the other with about 10$ !!!!!!!!!! 8O

Sorry to say, it doesn't sound like you don't want a 7600GT. Those clocks won't make a big difference in playable settings. And games like Fear and Oblivion will hammer any of these cards when you start talking higher resolution.

Spend a bit more and get a better card. For Oblivion, a X1950GT, X1900GT, X1950 pro. Or if you prefer NVidia despite diasdvantages of the GF7 in Oblivion, grab a 7900GS for $139 AR. Like I mentioned earlier, the X1950GT had been $110 AR for a couple weeks and would spank these 7600GT's for that price. Rebate expired, and now it's $149; maybe it will come back down. Either way, a 7600GT just doesn't rock like you want, especially in Oblivion.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150202
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130056

What ?
You know what, you crashed my dreams by saying that..I was hoping to play my beloved "Oblivion" at its max...
See Pauldh ,I wanted to follow your advice and change 180 degree by going with x1950 PRO as I also saw it at tom's hardware
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/0 [...] the_money/

But I found something really weird , that this card relatively took a lot of bad reviews at newegg ..something about OverHeating and crashing when playing games, and you can see it here
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102061

Can you explain what the heck is going on??

I know this became silly, but I'm trying to make the best of my money to play my baby "Oblivion" and of course a lot of other newer games...But you know Hardcore gamers For Hardcore gamers as you seem to be !

No way man, This is the last thing I would think of !
I personally see that ATI really sucks !
Yeah and the X1650XT only supports SM 2.0

Yeah, would have been nice to keep it but I got off the AGP bus this weekend. Selling the card this week. Still waiting for some parts to build today or tomorrow. Can't wait. I'm just as excited as when I got my first rig...

XFX ROCKS

Hehehehehheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

LOL Man !!
You think I'm buying a pair of shoes or something ?!!

First always send via registerd mail and keep photocopys.

If you bought it in California or many other States the law says if you don't get your rebate then the SELLER is on the hook to pay you.

Also don't wait longer than 5 weeks for your rebate check to come back...get on the toll free phone number and let them know they are a week over due (they can no longer say it will take 8 weeks).

I find they basicly OC to the same point...and they are all made in Asia.

Awsome card for the money in my opinion and should run most if not all games. But if your going to spend $170 I would get this.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150229

The X1950 pro is without doubt better that the 7900GS in Oblvion. Not only does the 7900GS drop much lower in the outdoor foliage, but it also will not allow you to run FSAA and HDR at the same time.

Have a look, on average framerates and minimum framerates, the X1950 pro was way better:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardwar [...] page12.asp

The X1950 pro is without doubt better that the 7900GS in Oblvion. Not only does the 7900GS drop much lower in the outdoor foliage, but it also will not allow you to run FSAA and HDR at the same time.

I swear I wanna buy thins card !!!!!!!!!
But I'm afraid of these overheating issues , not 1 or 2 reviews there are a lot of complaints...

Oh and the last thing is,
Does ATI provide a lifetime warranty on its cards like Nvidia's, I doubt that !
Do you guys still think ATI is a better choice ? Pauldh made me wanna get this card even if its the last thing I would do !