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April 13, 2007 5:46:38 AM

unfortunately, since my budget is limited.... i need a few advice...

which setup is better in terms of PURE GAMING especially Oblivion run at max resolution and max settings...

1st setup
E6300
8800 GTS (320mb)
1 GB Ram

2nd setup
E6600
7600 GT
2 GB Ram

thanx alot !!!!
April 13, 2007 5:53:25 AM

in a few words everything, since you wanna play Oblivion at max details, Oblivion is the most equally demanding game in everything means you need a powerful processor, powerful graphic card and at least 2gb ram for max details at high resolution.The first setup is a lot better.
April 13, 2007 5:55:05 AM

1st setup by a few miles :lol: 
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April 13, 2007 7:48:35 AM

aight!!! so does that mean even if i have low end proc and memory, i really should concentrate on the video card ? for max settings ? thx !
April 13, 2007 8:57:47 AM

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aight!!! so does that mean even if i have low end proc and memory, i really should concentrate on the video card ? for max settings ? thx !


i dont think 6300 is low end by any means. also, i thnik the first setup would become far more better if u add another gig of ram to it
April 13, 2007 9:05:16 AM

Graphics card, cpu and then ram.
April 13, 2007 9:30:04 AM

I would pick the first choice but with 2Gb of ramage.
April 13, 2007 10:29:50 AM

The first one will kill the second one.

Just get 2gb of RAM with that, and you're set for Oblivion.
April 13, 2007 11:38:22 AM

Especially if you're using vista, need more ram.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 11:40:33 AM

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I would pick the first choice but with 2Gb of ramage.

Exactly my thought.

Option 2 blows for Oblivion. A better option 2 would be e6300, 2GB, X1950XT.
April 13, 2007 12:16:06 PM

The E6300 is the best buy in the last couple of years and it's not a low-end cpu, this cpu is for enthusiasts that are into overclocking.With right overclocking you can make this cpu better than stock speeds of X6800.
April 13, 2007 1:12:00 PM

the first setup is much much better because of the 8800gts, the 7600gt would run oblivion ok but it would by no means be able to max out with playable fps. You might want to consider overclocking the 6300 just to get an extra performance boost

but definately the first setup
April 13, 2007 1:44:02 PM

When it comes to gaming, no contest whatsoever.

Option 1 will murder option 2.

Oblivion will run very nicely on an 8800 GTS and e6300...

...but terribly on a 7600 GT, no matter what CPU you have. No way you can run that at high detail 1024x768 without stutter.
April 13, 2007 2:00:38 PM

I can't really agree with either option. I ran my PC with 1Gb of ram for a long time, and it a lot of newer games it leads to a lot of stuttering and such in mroe demanding games. I'd say do some kind of mix of 1 and 2, like a 6300 with 2Gb of ram and a video card between those two.
April 13, 2007 2:09:02 PM

You can always buy more ram later, for cheaper.

I've been running a 1GB machine for some time now, and it really isn't that bad for gaming. A bit longer load times, but gameplay is smooth.

A e6300 and 8800 GTS with 1GB/ram are far preferable over an e6300 and 7900 GS with 2GB/ram... for gaming anyway.
April 13, 2007 2:10:37 PM

1 >>>>> 2

but yeah, another gig of ram would make it even better.

or you can got for 2 and upgrade the card later...but till you have that card, oblivion wont be playing very smooth (atleast not at higher res than 1024x768).
April 13, 2007 2:14:38 PM

I would go with the first. You can always add more ram at later date while keeping the rest of the system.

With the second, you probably will be changing the graphic card within a year, making the purchase of the 7600GT a waste of money.
April 13, 2007 2:20:28 PM

it is first choice. in gaming, first is graphics card. then processor, then ram. n u can add ram in other times. so u should have decent processor n great graphics card.
April 13, 2007 3:20:46 PM

If you're trying to remain within a budget I'd get

e4300 (with good heatsink/fan and overclock to 3.2ghz)
8800gts 320
2gigs of ram

for most games video card and ram are way more important than CPU
April 13, 2007 5:03:50 PM

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Naw, I'd say an e6300 with a ds3 would be the better choice, people can hit over 3.5ghz on an e6300 while most get stuck around 3.2ghz on an e4300 just because conroes can clock higher, and since I've seen a ds3 hit 540fsb, anything is possible


I agree 100% but there's one exception to the ds3.... the 965g chipset is NOT GOOD for overclocking... poor me

Yeah the 965P DS3 is good, not 965G DS3. 965G certainly is a shabby OCer. On the subject, I heard DFI's new(ish) 965P board is of similar caliber to the DS3, though difficult to find.
April 13, 2007 5:33:34 PM

Option#1 easily.

Also, go with the E4300.
This will save you a couple dollars.
If you wait two weeks, the price should drop enough that you could afford another GB of ram to bring it up to 2gm.

If nothing else, you would definately save enough to get 1.5gb.

Even if you are forced to skimp on ram to start, this is easy to add later w/o losing an initial investment.
April 13, 2007 5:34:12 PM

Quote:
unfortunately, since my budget is limited.... i need a few advice...

which setup is better in terms of PURE GAMING especially Oblivion run at max resolution and max settings...

1st setup
E6300
8800 GTS (320mb)
1 GB Ram

2nd setup
E6600
7600 GT
2 GB Ram

thanx alot !!!!


i would avoid the 320 meg ram version of the 8800

its loses to the 512meg 7900 in new games
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 7:02:29 PM

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teh 8600gts 512mb version will be teh card of choice for ultra high res and detail on oblivion, because the 8800gts 320mb doesn't have enough memory to handle it.

I don't at all agree. I expect the 8600GTS 512MB would be way too weak to expoit this scenario. I'd be surprised if it could beat the X1950XT 256MB in Oblivion.
a b U Graphics card
April 13, 2007 10:31:16 PM

The thing is, right now we don't have much to go by. But hardwarezone showed the X1950 pro beating the 8600GTS. Do you really think a 128-bit card is going to handle high resolution and large textures just because it has more RAM? I don't. It's looking like a wimpy gaming card, or at least compared to X19xx and GF79xx. I think that review shows a fluke setting that will rarely happen. But besides that, the 7900GTX will probably outgame the 8600GTS by a good margin.
April 13, 2007 10:45:55 PM

Yeah, it's the gts...no 8600 ultras.
April 16, 2007 12:02:04 AM

thx guys !!! ima get 8800 gts,

but what do u guys recommend ? buy one right now ? or wait for a couple of weeks ?

by the way, when would the next price cuts take effect ? thx alot !
April 16, 2007 5:53:13 AM

is that good the ATI one ? coz im actually inclined at buying nvidia... but still, when would the price cuts take effect and when are the new model coming out ? thanks a lot !
April 16, 2007 2:01:54 PM

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is that good the ATI one ? coz im actually inclined at buying nvidia... but still, when would the price cuts take effect and when are the new model coming out ? thanks a lot !
ATI's X2Ks are due somewhere in May, but when they hit the shelves it'll simply mean that, a couple new expensive video cards; don't expect price cuts too soon. ATI has some fine prices on most of their actual stuff anyway so I don't think they're in any rush to reduce prices.
April 16, 2007 4:34:38 PM

DARK!!!

wait till april 22nd... intel cuts the price of their CPUs... you should be able to step up to a better CPU AND get a better card...
April 17, 2007 1:41:09 AM

the bad thing is..... im not just gonna upgrade.... ima buy a whole system....

should i buy after april 22nd ? or should i buy after nvidia gives price cuts ? thx alot!
a b U Graphics card
April 17, 2007 1:48:19 AM

IMO wait at least until you see the new cards by AMD and their press released MSRPs/launch times.

I suspect that the price of both GTS and TX will come down.
You might be able to get a GF8800GTS-640 for near what you initially expected to spend on a GTS-320, but even if not, worst case scenario you lose 1 week and gain the interest on your cash. :twisted:

For Oblivion you may want the 640MB so you can play with some of the mods.

Anywhoo I think there's a lot of reasons to wait just a week, and only one (playing your new rig) not to. Which matters more to you knowledge, price cuts, available options /or/ playing right now?
April 17, 2007 5:39:10 AM

taking that into consideration, coz i wanna have a NEW COMP ryt now, the video card could wait, since i really wanna play the old games i loved before like warcraft, diablo, sims 1.... and oblivion and other high end games could wait...

so... would it be better to just wait for the Intel price cuts.... then buy a new system with a very very cheap video card.... then once nvidia comes with a new high end card, just upgrade to one ?

also, whats the "BEST" low end card that costs only around $20 ? thanks by the way for the wonderful advice!
April 17, 2007 6:41:38 AM

almost no difference between 6600 and 6300. huge diff between 8800 and 7600. 1 gig of ram is good but 2 gig is even better but u can upgrade down the road.
April 17, 2007 8:41:31 PM

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also, whats the "BEST" low end card that costs only around $20 ? thanks by the way for the wonderful advice!


That's a tough one. If it helps, I can tell you that Diablo 2 works acceptably on a GeForce MX 4000 ($40 or so).
April 17, 2007 10:30:06 PM

really ?? the 6600 and 6300 has only a few difference in performance ? now im inclining to buy a 6300 instead if thats the case.. and get 2 gig ram..

about the video card.... how bout a very cheap 7300 ?
April 17, 2007 10:32:16 PM

i mean, would a 7300 play diablo, WC,SC and sims at max settings with high res ?
April 18, 2007 12:14:30 AM

i was actually browsing some website... and 7300 is still not kinda cheap.... i just need a very cheap video card that would run Warcraft and Sims at highest settings...

since at the moment, i dont have plans of playing high end games yet,.... and still waiting for price cuts on nvidia....

unfortunately i dont have good cooling... and afraid to overclock.....
April 18, 2007 1:22:41 AM

at first thats what i was actually looking at 7600 GT, but the price difference from 8800 gts is not that big.... but of course... i dont want to buy a dx10 card yet....

aside from the 7300... would the 6xxx or 5xxx run diablo / wc/SIMS at high settings at high res ?

thx by the way for the responses...

but 7300 is still a lil bit pricey....
April 18, 2007 4:16:24 AM

well, ima get the 8800 around the end of the year... just waiting for some price drops... aside the 6600 GT, any other alternatives ?

and also... is SLI really that good ?
April 18, 2007 8:29:30 AM

is sli that necessary ?
April 18, 2007 1:24:54 PM

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is sli that necessary ?


SLI is necessary or at least very desirable if you have a resolution like 2500*1600 and a very GPU-intensive game like Oblivion or Crysis.

SLI is a stupid idea if your cards are not high-end (i.e. 8800 GTX) because you're generally better off with a single better card. For example a single 8800 GTX is a better choice than 2 * 8800 GTS, at least that's my opinion. Also, with SLI you may discover that in some games only one of the cards works. Also, with games that use a lot of graphics memory you get much better peformance from a 768 MB card than from two 320 MB cards because the memory can't just be added up, it doesn't work that way.
April 18, 2007 1:33:28 PM

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at first thats what i was actually looking at 7600 GT, but the price difference from 8800 gts is not that big.... but of course... i dont want to buy a dx10 card yet....

aside from the 7300... would the 6xxx or 5xxx run diablo / wc/SIMS at high settings at high res ?

thx by the way for the responses...

but 7300 is still a lil bit pricey....


Man, you lost me here. I thought you wanted:
a) a cheap card so you can play older games on it for a few months
b) a good card supporting DX10 later, to use for long-term

Why are you so anxious to get the high settings at high res from the temporary cheap card? If I were you I'd get the cheapest card that still gets 30 fps at the lowest settings and use that for a few months before I throw it away. Also, Diablo offers 800x600 at most, regardless of your card and monitor. Why not keep your cash for the second card, the one you intend to use for a longer time?

BTW, I would expect Diablo and Warcraft to have the same requirements. If Blizzard is well managed, and I think it is, they'd have a team developing a common graphics engine and two other teams using it to develop Warcraft and Diablo respectively.
April 18, 2007 8:57:26 PM

1st setup
E6300
8800 GTS (320mb)
1 GB Ram

2gb ram id recommend tho or use 1gb Single stick of ram so you can get an extra 1gb later on (if running Vista you want 2gb ram Min no less for gameing as it uses alot of ram to just start up, XP be fine with 1gb ram)

you seemed to strayed off the video card an little

8800gts card is fast the 320mb ver is more so just limited by the screen size you want to set it to 1600x1200 or lower the card should be fine i do think AA is limited as it does not have much ram on board the card
the card is more so limited by the CPU (cant compare the 8800 to an 7xxx cards or lower as thay are very powerfull cards,, 8600 is not very good 7600 gt card is faster just lacks dx10 support)


7600 gt card is good price vs perfomace

if you get the card at least you are ready for dx10 games later on or in month or 2, that is if you are running vista

if you wait an little longer amd/nvida new video cards will offer more options as wll but thats an month or 2
April 18, 2007 9:35:39 PM

mite of gone an little high with it 1280x1024 limited aa

he not giveing us much to work with How much are you wanting to Spend any way

8600 needs to be 20% cheaper then the x1950, just becuse the 8600 is an dx10 card should not have worse performace then an 7600 gt or an X1950 , it should of been faster not worth the money for it

8800gts is £180 probly be the pricey part of the system
April 18, 2007 10:40:23 PM

good thing i came here to decide what to buy.. before i actually want to buy an SLI board...

thx btw for the feedback, now im just gonna drop the SLI board,

then, get a cheap card, save for 2-3 months... and get a high end card like 8800 gts.
April 19, 2007 5:24:33 AM

nice! when would the new ati cards would come out ? i do hope i have some money by that time.

thanks alot by the way !
April 19, 2007 10:22:26 PM

how about for the new cards from ATI ?

correct me if im wrong... but while browsing for a good MOBO, i came across asus p5b deluxe.... it seems that it supports crossfire.....

if thats the case... i might just go with ATI..
April 19, 2007 10:50:48 PM

yeah i agree with you on the 8600 with the high price tag..

damn, i learn so many things here.. lolx

also...
the p5b deluxe supports crossfire ryt ?
and p5n32 supports sli ...

which of the two mobos should i get ? thanks !
April 20, 2007 1:59:38 AM

hwoah, i didnt know anything about that, lolx! im quite afraid at OC, and dont have any experience about it... thats the reason im looking at e6600 so i dont have to OC....

ima check that site for the gigabyte, btw.... the only good mobo brand that i know is asus...

is giga that good ? thanks !


(Gonna buy the system in a MONTH !)
April 20, 2007 3:43:42 AM

what about

E6300
8600GTS
2gb ram

that would work fine
!