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October 24, 2006 11:44:21 PM

MS will release a version of DirectX software named DX 9.0L to allow people who can't or "WONT" make the switch to Vista.
The new software will allow "preVista" machines to run software with DX 10 architecture.
I have o plans of switching to Vista for obvious reasons and software designers are going to continue to write software with DX 9.0 into the end of next year, there are plenty of DX 9.0 enabled software choices to keep me happy indefinately........

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October 25, 2006 2:56:30 AM

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October 25, 2006 9:55:03 AM

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MS will release a version of DirectX software named DX 9.0L to allow people who can't or "WONT" make the switch to Vista.
The new software will allow "preVista" machines to run software with DX 10 architecture.
I have o plans of switching to Vista for obvious reasons and software designers are going to continue to write software with DX 9.0 into the end of next year, there are plenty of DX 9.0 enabled software choices to keep me happy indefinately........


I don't see any logic to your statement.

At some point you're going to have to upgrade to Vista....... as much as you don't like it you're going to have to do it.

I'm more than happy to buy Vista at release for a few reasons

1. Unlike the price of hardware Vista prices will pretty much stay the same till the next Windows OS comes out. So it's not like I'm paying a privelige to become an early adopter.
2. I have more than one hard drive so I can install Vista on one and keep my data on my other hard drives, disable them in the BIOS if I'm playing around with Vista and not be worried about being hacked or anything.
3. If you've actually tried Vista which I suspect you haven't...... It's actually not a bad OS. It's better to know how to use the OS when you're faced with actually having to use it to play a particular game or for your new graphics card to run.

I could go on.....
October 25, 2006 2:37:22 PM

I know he's wrong, which is why I asked him for a source to back up his claim.
October 25, 2006 3:18:45 PM

Before you stick your other foot in your mouth please allow me to provide you with the source which i am researching at this moment, Thanx

I'm almost positive i read it on Anandtech, so i am searching the database.
October 25, 2006 3:29:19 PM

It appears that you are correct, I was given false information which i then passed on to you.
I apologize for the confusion and will make a effort to confirm sourcing in he future.
http://xgatech.com/modules/news/index.php?storytopic=8

BTW, I'm still not switching to Vista with the current licensing restrictions.
Vista (like windows) uses a algorythim program to determine the hardware configuration of the system and take a virtual fingerprint.
For example if either the motherboard and/or the HDD is changed or takes a dump the user will most likely have to purchase an additional license or plead the case with MS, I can imagine the outcome of that conversation would lead you right to the MS store to pay for another script to Vista.
MS claims that only 10% of users make changes to the mobo or HDD but i believe the percentage is much higher than that and MS is really putting the screws to us.
What it all leads down to is that you paid big money for the software but you still don't own it.....MS "owns" you!
November 2, 2006 11:24:44 PM

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What it all leads down to is that you paid big money for the software but you still don't own it.....MS "owns" you!


Nice. Soviet Russia style XD
November 3, 2006 1:33:16 AM

that does suck a$$, ill prabably switch harddrives at least once and need to get an new key, o well.
sombody plz get to work on a keygen asap xD
November 3, 2006 5:57:09 PM

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BTW, I'm still not switching to Vista with the current licensing restrictions. [...] MS claims that only 10% of users make changes to the mobo or HDD but i believe the percentage is much higher than that and MS is really putting the screws to us

Microsoft has since backed down and changed the terms of the license to allow an infinite number of transfers provided only one copy is installed at one time. See this thread:
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/software/Microsoft-removes-transfer-limitations-Vista-ftopict232769.html

Fuzzy
September 5, 2007 9:31:23 PM

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Vista (like windows) uses a algorythim program to determine the hardware configuration of the system and take a virtual fingerprint.
For example if either the motherboard and/or the HDD is changed or takes a dump the user will most likely have to purchase an additional license or plead the case with MS, I can imagine the outcome of that conversation would lead you right to the MS store to pay for another script to Vista.


Actually all you need to do is call microsoft activation, give them the installation ID and tell them you are only using it on one computer. I've done this many times and it only takes about 7 minutes, it's really not a big deal. I use vista business OEM and rebuild on a regular basis.

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September 13, 2007 1:01:11 AM

ohmish said:
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Vista (like windows) uses a algorythim program to determine the hardware configuration of the system and take a virtual fingerprint.
For example if either the motherboard and/or the HDD is changed or takes a dump the user will most likely have to purchase an additional license or plead the case with MS, I can imagine the outcome of that conversation would lead you right to the MS store to pay for another script to Vista.


Actually all you need to do is call microsoft activation, give them the installation ID and tell them you are only using it on one computer. I've done this many times and it only takes about 7 minutes, it's really not a big deal. I use vista business OEM and rebuild on a regular basis.

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Yeah, I just preformed a phone re-activation for the first time, they asked why I was doing it, and if I was using it on any other computers. Then they gave me the new code....too easy!
September 13, 2007 3:09:49 PM

I was about to say.. You just call up Microsoft and they give you a new code. No hassle. I'm sure they log it and if you keep doing it excessively, at that point a flag will show up... like 5 times a day type if you were building custom PCs with a single license and reselling.

I've called up Microsoft plenty of times for it and I have never had a problem.

Its a matter of people whining before trying or even knowing what they're talking about. People need to shut up, try something, then form their opinions, instead of being lemmings and *** the same thing someone else is *** without even trying.

***. As.s out of you and me.

There you boys have it. ;) 
March 18, 2008 3:02:20 PM

306maxi said:

I don't see any logic to your statement.

At some point you're going to have to upgrade to Vista....... as much as you don't like it you're going to have to do it.

I'm more than happy to buy Vista at release for a few reasons

1. Unlike the price of hardware Vista prices will pretty much stay the same till the next Windows OS comes out. So it's not like I'm paying a privelige to become an early adopter.
2. I have more than one hard drive so I can install Vista on one and keep my data on my other hard drives, disable them in the BIOS if I'm playing around with Vista and not be worried about being hacked or anything.
3. If you've actually tried Vista which I suspect you haven't...... It's actually not a bad OS. It's better to know how to use the OS when you're faced with actually having to use it to play a particular game or for your new graphics card to run.

I could go on.....

well its been over a year since this tread started and it looks like vista is just as unpopular now then it was then

sorry to say (and i dont want to offend anyone) but vista is designed for real old people, children, the clueless, the technologically challenged

its a punishment to use that OS for any skilled computer user (or if not i have to wonder about the person)

there is absolutely no advantage of using vista besides the DX10

simply said vista well deserves the spot names "vistaME" and "windows ME2"
and as i did not upgrade to ME so i wont to vista

with that said its not a question of money, its just an all out bad OS, how ever for the kids computer i did install vista as its harder to mess up, and so on a laptop that a lend out to people
and i consider using vista as secondary OS just for DX10 games
that's all vista is good for
March 18, 2008 3:45:07 PM

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well its been over a year since this tread started and it looks like vista is just as unpopular now then it was then

sorry to say (and i dont want to offend anyone) but vista is designed for real old people, children, the clueless, the technologically challenged


Well judging by your philosophical skills and your excellent display of how to suck at the internet, the idea you fall under the last two examples you mentioned is not beyond the realm of reality you should be seriously considering. Stay away from Vista, it's a bit complicated for the clueless and technologically challegened. See what you can do with this.

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~ffowler/javahtml/potato/Potato.h...



March 18, 2008 9:00:03 PM

very funny badge, you know talking/writing in riddles and/or formulating sentences in a mystical near rhyming way, wont make your opinion more valid.

to stick to subject i don't think vista is complex what so ever, its actually so easy that it is annoying... in other words its "idiot safe"

but i do get your riddles : )
sucking on the internet is not necessarily a bad thing, i dont want to be the best in everything, especially not "shying" in the net, there are enough people who already doing that ; ) or try
March 18, 2008 9:11:24 PM

Its funny how all of the vista bashers just come up with generalizations..nothing specific it just sucks.
Thats pretty laughable.
Ive been using it for 2 months now and I consider it superior to XP in every way. I havent had one problem running any game, new or old.
All of my hardware, including a 3 year old printer worked on initial install.
Vista will also keep your computer safer.
March 19, 2008 11:41:51 AM

mweidler said:
Its funny how all of the vista bashers just come up with generalizations..nothing specific it just sucks.
Thats pretty laughable.
Ive been using it for 2



Actually, what's laughable is trolls bringing up a months old thread about something that never would/will ever happen in order to start a flame war.... And people actually taking it seriously.

Better to accept that in the long run 'meaningful discussion' and 'Internet' are for the most part mutually exclusive.

Long time computer users know this is all a repeat of the exact same flame wars, angst, hype, hyperbole *each* *and* *every* time Microsoft release a new operating system. So meh..

Personally, I've grown into the opinion that it would have probably been better if Vista 32 wasn't released at all. Rather, Microsoft release only Vista x64 (which *does* include the libraries needed to run 32 bit code - Never mind the bullsh*t people come to accept because their buddy said something ringing of Truthiness). Issue a statment/policy saying that 64 bits are "The Way Forward" and if you want to be there then please feel free to join us with your next computer purchase. Don't bother upgrading your existing box unless it meets <these higher requirements>, because it'll run like sh*t. As far as XP, we understand the needs of Legacy users, will do some extra work on SP3, and will extend support a while longer than we otherwise would have. But it is EOL as of <date>.

Regarding the OS itself - (1) It runs fine, does what it's supposed to, and believe it or not does it better than any just released OS I've had the pleasure of playing with - and know that this goes back to the days when a 386 was hot stuff. (2) Every OS released by any maker has been slower, with a larger footprint, and therefore more comsuming of Hardware than the prior version from that same maker. A lot of people seem to conveniently forget this little fact of computing life. (3) It is different from what came before - look/feel/behavior - and so what??? Get the stinking book, learn the stinking thing, and get on with it.



But, of course, this being the Internet, the above statements are meaningless too.... So where does that get us?? Nowhere.

But I will state unequivocally that coffee made from freshly roasted beans, ground on demand, is far superior than any other method. But that people are too hurried/lazy to make the effort to learn the differences, let alone incorporate it and enjoy the results of the extra bit of labor.

I suppose a parallel could be made to personal computing and choices of operating system. But this being the Internet and all.... <shrug>
March 19, 2008 12:18:14 PM

Scotteq - like the sig.
July 8, 2008 4:47:38 PM


"Long time computer users know this is all a repeat of the exact same flame wars, angst, hype, hyperbole *each* *and* *every* time Microsoft release a new operating system. So meh.."

I guess some here are to young to remember Windows ME.

"Personally, I've grown into the opinion that it would have probably been better if Vista 32 wasn't released at all. Rather, Microsoft release only Vista x64 (which *does* include the libraries needed to run 32 bit code."

I tried XP64 on my C2D game box and found it unaccectable. While the 64-32 bit translation is going on I was dying in FPS games. Its too slooooooooooow. IMHO.

IT's amasing how many ppl think "theirs" are the only needs that should be met.
July 9, 2008 6:55:23 PM

Yes, XP64 isn't all that great. However, Vista 64 actually runs games just as fast as the 32-bit version. How long ago did you try XP-64? Drivers have come a long way in the last little while for 64-bit OSes. If you were to go 64-bit, I'd recommend Vista over XP anyway... XP-64's support always did seem lacking. It's a lot better now that 64-bit Vista is a bit more mainstream... but it still lags behind.

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I guess some here are to young to remember Windows ME.


I agree... just like some are obviously senile and forgot about all the "outrage" over Windows XP upon it's release. "It's slooooow... it's buggy!!... it's unstable!... It's BLOATED!!!!". Wash, rinse, repeat. Hell... XP got a whole new bashing when SP2 was released. Now if you're comparing Vista to ME, it's an apples and oranges comparison. Vista is miles ahead of where ME was at that time. I've yet to see a single blue screen... nor have I had to reboot for anything other than updates. ME (or Mistake Edition as I affectionately call it) was an almost daily struggle.

If anyone starts comparing Vista to ME... as far as I'm concerned, you've completely invalidated anything you have to say on the subject. You are simply regurgitating "facts" you've heard elsewhere. Actually use it and form your own opinion... don't take everything bad you read about it as gospel truth.
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