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performance difference between x800pro and x1650xt?

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April 15, 2007 9:15:33 PM

I'm upgrading my aging AGP system. Because upgrading my mobo would also mean having to upgrade my ram and CPU, I don't have the money. Therefore, I'm wondering what performance gain I would see upgrading my x800pro to an x1650xt.

Current Specs: Athlon 64 3200+,1.25 gb ram pc3200, x800pro
a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2007 9:31:36 PM

You would get sm3.o. and an overall better/faster card.
April 15, 2007 9:33:58 PM

By the way I play mostly BF2, HL2, but I want to play some newer games like SplinterCell4, CandC Tiberium Wars, etc
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a b U Graphics card
April 15, 2007 9:36:40 PM

Aside from a whole new build that card should do nicely.

Unless you spend more money for a 7800gs or x1950 in agp.

But that is really not worth it.

edit; the new splintercell requires sm3.0 :wink:
April 15, 2007 9:40:10 PM

Is the x1950pro not worth it because of CPU bottlenecks, or what exactly?

(yea, I sadly found out SC4 needed sm3.0 and through it on my laptop which has a mobility x1400...last time i checked 6-16 fps wasn't exactly "playable" haha)
April 15, 2007 10:09:03 PM

Your x800 Pro is much better card than the x1650 XT (except for not having SM3.)

If you look at the VGA Charts you can compare the x800 XT (which is just a small step ahead of the x800 Pro) and the x1650 Pro (which is equal to the x1650 XT) and you can see that the x800 XT beats the x1650 Pro in every benchmark, usually by a large margin.


Benchmark Data:

Radeon X800 XT R423, 500 MHz, 1000 MHz, 256 MB GDDR3
vs.
Radeon X1650 Pro HM RV535, 587 MHz, 1386 MHz, 256/512 MB DDR3

Note: The word "Card" below refers to the Radeon X800 XT.

Half Life 2: Episode 1 - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is 80.5% faster
Half Life 2: Episode 1 - 1024*768 - Card is 44.3% faster
Half Life 2: Episode 1 - 1280*1024 - Card is 45.6% faster
Half Life 2: Episode 1 - 1600*1200 - Card is 52.7% faster
Hard Truck Apocalypse - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is -0.4% slower
Hard Truck Apocalypse - 1024*768 - Card is 41.6% faster
Hard Truck Apocalypse - 1280*960 - Card is 51.6% faster
Hard Truck Apocalypse - 1600*1200 - Card is 78.4% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Outside) - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is 116.5% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Outside) - 1024*768 - Card is 153.3% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Outside) - 1280*1024 - Card is 160.0% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Outside) - 1600*1200 - Card is 175.0% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Inside) - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is 98.2% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Inside) - 1024*768 - Card is 114.8% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Inside) - 1280*1024 - Card is 113.1% faster
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls 4 (Inside) - 1600*1200 - Card is 103.6% faster
Prey - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is 28.7% faster
Prey - 1024*768 - Card is 26.3% faster
Prey - 1280*1024 - Card is 24.0% faster
Prey - 1600*1200 - Card is 45.6% faster
Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is 20.2% faster
Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends - 1024*768 - Card is 22.7% faster
Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends - 1280*1024 - Card is 7.7% faster
Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends - 1600*1200 - Card is 21.2% faster
Titan Quest - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is 29.7% faster
Titan Quest - 1024*768 - Card is 41.0% faster
Titan Quest - 1280*1024 - Card is 24.0% faster
Titan Quest - 1600*1200 - Card is 2.7% faster
3DMark06 (v1.0.2) SM2.0 - 1024*768 - No Eye Candy - Card is 14.1% faster
3DMark06 (v1.0.2) SM2.0 - 1024*768 - Card is 16.8% faster
3DMark06 (v1.0.2) SM2.0 - 1280*1024 - Card is 17.1% faster
3DMark06 (v1.0.2) SM2.0 - 1600*1200 - Card is 18.4% faster

Card is 54.4% faster on average (excluding 3DMark06 benchmark).


In addition to that data, if you are interested in the x1950 Pro, it is on average 40% faster than the x800 XT. If you want the performance numbers for it, just ask.
April 15, 2007 10:40:27 PM

Just because they didn't had one 1650XT To test doesn't mean it's same as 1650pro..
April 16, 2007 12:22:15 AM

Thats not a fair comparison as you up the X800 one tier and lower the x1650 a tier, and that makes a big performance difference.
April 16, 2007 4:19:06 AM

Sarcasm noted Sidonas. The x1650 Pro is absolutely not the same card as the x1650xt. The x1650xt is in fact much faster than the x1650 Pro and out performs the x800 in almost every benchmark known to man. It also offers SM 3.0 if you like Splinter Cell. :lol: 

Also, this is my first post ever; I hope that smiley doesn't turn out to be an lol with colons around it.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2007 5:06:30 AM

Quote:
Your x800 Pro is much better card than the x1650 XT (except for not having SM3.)


No it's not.

Quote:
you can compare the x800 XT (which is just a small step ahead of the x800 Pro) and the x1650 Pro (which is equal to the x1650 XT) and you can see that the x800 XT beats the x1650 Pro in every benchmark, usually by a large margin.


No it's not.
Anyone saying an X800XT is just a small step ahead of an X800Pro it like saying the X1650XT is a small step ahead of the X1650Pro. :roll:
Seriously don't post that kinda crap. They are completely different cards, and the X800XT destroys the X800Pro by about the same margin or even less than the X1650XT destroys the X1650Pro. And as was mentioned you went up a level for the X8 series and down a level for the X1650s, not a good comparo at all.

The X800Pro has 3/4 the pixel pipelines and 3/4 the TMUs and 3/4 the ROPs , slower core and slower memory compared to the X800XT.

The X1650XT has twice the shader units of the X1650Pro and twice the TMUs and 60% more ROPs, so really calling them comparable or even close is ridiculous. :roll:

The X1650XT will perform better than a non-moded X800Pro, and will perform about equal to an X800XT in most modern games, winning some and losing some. However it will offer features in games like Oblivion that are not available on the X800 series, and play some games that are unplayable on the X800 series like the latest Splinter Cell, and Rainbow6 Vegas.

Out of the two options the X1650XT is the clear winner for anyone building a rig looking to play future titles, not classic titles.http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/200704132350... since he mnetions Splinter Cell then it's the X1650XT and nothing else, because the X800Pro nor XT will play it. SM3.0 minimum spec.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2007 5:13:49 AM

If you wanna play the Splinter Cell series, then you need the X1650 or better X1950 (or top GF7 series), and nothing else. The X800 won't play it because UBi has made SM3.0 the minimum spec (to make it easier for cross-platform development), expect that to be the trend as people match Wii, PS3, and Xbox capabailities when making their games. SM3.0/OGL2.0++ level shaders will be the bare minimum unless they make the effort to code for fallbacks.
April 16, 2007 5:36:58 AM

Another guy here to tell you that X1650 Pro is definately not the same as the XT model, as someone mentioned above! The XT is a much better and refined model that should beat the X800 by 5-25% on average on most games. The only drawback on the card is its 128-bit memory controller, other than that it rocks.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2007 5:57:42 AM

Yeah the 128bit is still a huge annoyance, but at least the gap is lessened a bit with the 225+mhz memory speed advantage, about 50% more than the Pro, so the total bandwitdth difference is ~25%.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2007 11:48:01 AM

Quote:
The X1650XT will perform better than a non-moded X800Pro, and will perform about equal to an X800XT in most modern games, winning some and losing some. However it will offer features in games like Oblivion that are not available on the X800 series, and play some games that are unplayable on the X800 series like the latest Splinter Cell, and Rainbow6 Vegas.

Agreed. In the 5 games I tested, a His Turbo X1650XT was neck and neck with a X800XTPE. SLightly behind in NFS:Carbon with no motion blur. Motion blur wasn't even an option for the X8xx series.
a b U Graphics card
April 16, 2007 10:26:21 PM

Learn to quote the right person will ya! I didn't say theat garb. :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
April 17, 2007 1:24:37 AM

Quote:
If you want the performance numbers for it, just ask.


Not from you 8O
a b U Graphics card
April 17, 2007 2:19:15 AM

I have to say, that whole X800XT to X1650 pro comparison cracks me up.
a b U Graphics card
April 17, 2007 2:50:45 AM

yeah some of his stuff put the x800 at 150% better than the x1650 8O
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