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April 17, 2007 12:48:17 AM

Hi, I could probably come up with a nice build for myself because I'm a gamer, but I'm stumped on what to get for my dad. All he needs is something for internet and basic apps. Having said that, he would like something "fast". I wanted to get him a Core 2 Duo and a gig of ram, any advice? Thanks in advance.

Looking for something around $500

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April 17, 2007 12:53:22 AM

go AMD and save, still a dual, just a lot less, 1 gb should be ok, he might be able to live with onboard graphics. 80GB HDD and DVD and a 400W psu.
April 17, 2007 12:55:45 AM

Hmm, I'm not really experienced with AMD, which CPU would you recommend?
April 17, 2007 1:09:56 AM

any of the 64 x2, with the AM2 socket, still some upgrade path if the CPU seems too slow for the work he does.
Lots of time Newegg has the +3600 combo for ~$150. Start there.
April 17, 2007 1:23:29 AM

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Hi, I could probably come up with a nice build for myself because I'm a gamer, but I'm stumped on what to get for my dad. All he needs is something for internet and basic apps. Having said that, he would like something "fast". I wanted to get him a Core 2 Duo and a gig of ram, any advice? Thanks in advance.

Looking for something around $500


I'll probably get flamed for this, but what the heck. Bestbuy sells cheap computers that are almost useless for serious gaming and almost impossible to upgrade or overclock, but they are perfect for Solitaire and SimCity and web surfing and DVD playing and even come with TV tuners. I bought an HP M7640N (X2 5000+) for my dad in November and he's quite happy with it. Had I tried to buy comparable parts and build it myself it would have cost 1500 instead of 1000 (Canadian dollars) plus the time. It would have had some advantages, but none he actually needs. I think the same computer is now CDN $1000 but they throw in a free 20" monitor.
April 17, 2007 1:37:45 AM

I'll probably get flamed for this too, but my own desktop is an ECS P4M800Pro + Intel e6300 Core 2 Duo from Fry's (if you live near one) and it cost $169 for the combo. I saw today Fry's has a P4M800Pro + Intel e4300 for $129. It's an AGP MB and I put in a 7600GS for another $120. Add the HD, RAM, decent case and PS and you're probably looking at about $500. Plus Fry's gives you two weeks to return things, for just about any reason. No RMA, return shipping, etc. I use the desktop for programming and SQL Server and there's never any real drag. It's great.
April 17, 2007 1:51:30 AM

Get an x2 3600 (like suggested before me):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ddr2-800 memory: (A very good deal)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

An am2 board: (Kind of an overkill if all he wants to do is basic apps and web surfing, but it does have good future upgrade paths)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A good harddrive: (same one I have)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That should you get going. A very good system at a very affordable price. Around $320 for these major components you need. Just need a case, cd/dvd drives, and...well, that's it I think.
April 17, 2007 1:56:05 AM

Ask your Dad what he'd like in a computer, that way you know he will be happy with it. 8)
April 17, 2007 2:00:23 AM

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Ask your Dad what he'd like in a computer, that way you know he will be happy with it. 8)


Sorry to hijack the thread. BadDad, is your build quiet enough for music or movies? It looks very much like what I'm planning to get for myself. :p 

Also, what's up with the 12 foot DVI cable???
April 17, 2007 2:06:15 AM

I just ordered a system that fits your description and comes out at about $497 shipped from the Egg. My firend handed me a check for $500 and I said I'd do the best I can (they have a monitor and keyboard/mouse). This is an upgrade from a 9 year old Win98 machine. The below is what I came up with.

Coolermaster 541 case $50
AMD 3500 Lima Core (65w) $70
Asus M2N-MX mobo with 6100 IG $75
2x512MB of Corsair VS DDR2 667 $59
FSP 350w PSU $35
WD 80GB SATA 3.0 $43
Zalman 120mm fan $9
LG CDRW $18
Altec Lansing Speakers $12
Windows XP $90

Sucks that Windows is the most expensive thing on the list but they need a copy. Just an internet grocery getter and for his 4 & 5 year old to play very basic games on. Skip the OS and you can put a dual core CPU in there. If they want to upgrade down the road it is fairly easy and the PSU has some headroom. PM me and I can email the wish list from the egg if you want.
April 17, 2007 2:13:55 AM

Yes it’s quiet enough for music and movies and should be quieter after I get through water cooling it. The DVI cable is so I can have the system off to the side well I’m in my recliner driving and F1 car or killing monsters in Doom. :D 
http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/short-story-wat...
April 17, 2007 3:21:03 AM

That does not include a keyboard, mouse, or screen, but has a beastly PSU, which is probably not needed.
April 17, 2007 3:55:21 AM

If you have a local fry's dealer check for deals there. Right now where I am at Frys has a amd 4600+ x2 with ECS GeForce6100sm mobo for just 120$
April 17, 2007 4:22:46 AM

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AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+(65w, 65nm)
MSI K9AGM2-L Socket AM2 AMD 690V Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
1 Gig(2 x 512mb) of 667 (PC2 5300) DDR2 ram
250 Gig Western Digital Hard Drive
LITE-ON 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With LightScribe
ePOWER ZU-500W ATX12V Ver. 2.01 PCIe 500W Power Supply (I have an alternative for a 30 dollar power supply that would be fine)
Artic Silver (just incase ya need it)
Rosewill case
Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit or 64-bit


Comes in at about $475ish(you could add a 2.2GHz Windsor Core and hit dead on 500 instead of the Brisbane). I can give you links to everything if you want. It's a very good system, but for Vista, I'd recommend the extra gig for another fifty bucks, so maybe 525. Or ya can get XP, but I'd stick with vista, I'm putting it on all my new builds I love it so much. Oh and I can shave another 20 dollars off the starting 475 with a less expensive power supply. That one is just to guarantee my system can support video card when the time comes.
April 18, 2007 12:29:47 AM

What do you think:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10360BD9143&v...
$83.20


ASUS M2N-E
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD2299&v...
$117.72

Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2X1GB PC6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180BD3839&v...
$183.20

Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15080DR2889&v...
$88.05

Samsung SH-S182 DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL-8X DVD Writer IDE Lightscribe Black OEM W/ Software
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14040DR4586&v...
$42.40

Coolermaster CAC-T05 Centurion 5 Aluminum ATX Tower Case 5X5.25 1X3.5 4X3.5INT SILVER-BLACK
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC4441&v...
$50.22

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W ATX12V V1.3 24PIN/20PIN Power Supply Dual 80MM Fan /W 6PIN PCI-E
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14660AC4434&v...
$37.50

Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32BIT DVD OEM
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15800SW9033&v...
$136.36


Total with shipping and tax:
$830 CAD ($733 USD)
April 18, 2007 1:17:44 AM

All of that DDR2 800 RAM and Overclocking RAM is Pure Bu11$h1T.

Especially for a budget build go for THIS RAM: THE BEST VALUE

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Kingston TWO Gigabytes for only $107

2gigs will be necessary for the inevitable upgrade to Vista.

Go for the X2 3600 ($75), Pentium D 805 ($80), or Celeron D 356 ($50)

Make sure you get a motherboard with integrated Graphics so that you dont have to buy a separate GPU which is unnecessary for your rig.


AMD X2 3600+ AM2 $75
Kingston 2gig $105
Cheap AM2 Mobo $75
WD 80gig hard drive $40
MSI AM2 mATX mobo $55
$26 Rosewill Case w/PSU i know rosewill=crappy, but its way cheap $25

TOTAL: $375 good :)  even enough room for a copy on WinXP Home ($90)
April 18, 2007 2:02:52 AM

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I don't know, I personally don't trust via or msi from personal experiences


You think ECS boards are any good? I have a FRY'S combo ECS P965T-A right now and it is freakin' awesome. Don't know if anyone has had a bad experience, but just wanted to ask before I recommend it.
April 18, 2007 2:14:33 AM

I think this should do it.
Reviewed and made adjustments (keep in mind, CAD prices):

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition OEM
$103.35

Kingston ValueRAM PC2-4200 1GB DDR2-533 CL4 240PIN DIMM Memory
$128.50

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W ATX12V V1.3 24PIN/20PIN Power Supply Dual 80MM Fan /W 6PIN PCI-E
$37.80

Compucase 6C28 Atx Case White 4X5.25 2X3.5 4X.3.5INT W/ Front Usb & Audio No Ps
$22.99

ASUS M2A-VM HDMI mATX AM2 AMD 690G DDR2 PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI Video HDMI Sound Motherboard
$104.76

Samsung SH-S182 DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL-8X DVD Writer IDE Lightscribe Black OEM W/ Software
$42.40

Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year Mfr Warranty
$88.05

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Dual Core Processor Socket AM2 Brisbane 1.9GHZ 2X512KB 65NM 65W Retail Box
$83.20

Sub Total: $611.05 CAD ($541 USD)
April 18, 2007 2:19:38 AM

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**really wishes there was a frys near the taco** Yeah, ecs makes good boards, they don't have that many features, but they are nice quality


I guess that makes them game for a non-overclocking dad! :D  Personally I would say it's perfect for what I do, and anyone who isn't intent on serious gaming.

@OP: check out those FRY's deals carefully for a while and wait till one pops out at ya. I just happened to be in Chicago this Christmas and picked up an E6600 bundled with my ECS for $300! That's like a $100 savings. On top of that, I found a good 19" for $170 and a 7600 GT for $80. It was like heaven...

Sorry, back to the point. Newegg also has some whopper deals that save lots of $$$. Check these sites out for price cuts.

GL :) 
April 18, 2007 2:54:04 AM

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You'll be able to find decend 2x1GB RAM for $130-140 at NCIX.com. It's Canadian.

Sorry about the link earlier. Price went up $60 and they went OOS as I posted.


Will check it out..
April 18, 2007 3:38:11 AM

Quote:
I think this should do it.
Reviewed and made adjustments (keep in mind, CAD prices):

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition OEM
$103.35

Kingston ValueRAM PC2-4200 1GB DDR2-533 CL4 240PIN DIMM Memory
$128.50

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W ATX12V V1.3 24PIN/20PIN Power Supply Dual 80MM Fan /W 6PIN PCI-E
$37.80

Compucase 6C28 Atx Case White 4X5.25 2X3.5 4X.3.5INT W/ Front Usb & Audio No Ps
$22.99

ASUS M2A-VM HDMI mATX AM2 AMD 690G DDR2 PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI Video HDMI Sound Motherboard
$104.76

Samsung SH-S182 DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL-8X DVD Writer IDE Lightscribe Black OEM W/ Software
$42.40

Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year Mfr Warranty
$88.05

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Dual Core Processor Socket AM2 Brisbane 1.9GHZ 2X512KB 65NM 65W Retail Box
$83.20

Sub Total: $611.05 CAD ($541 USD)

Most of your list looks solid. However, I think that RAM is a rip-off. You can get 2GB of Kinston ValueRAM DDR2-667 for less (US$) than your 1GB DDR2-533 (CAD$). The exchange rate isn't that bad. Anyway, AMD's like DDR2-800. Aim for some of that if possible. The rest of your choices look good.

Anyway, the computer I am currently typing from is a budget machine I built for my sister and am "burning in" (and running up my folding@home score with :D  ) before delivery. I used the AMD X2 4800 (Brisbane), the Sapphire 690G mobo (because it has HDMI like your selected Asus, the Asus was out of stock when I ordered), 1GB of cheap DDR2-800, a Seagate 250 GB, and my old DVD burner (don't want to clutter my new PC with IDE cables). Including Vista Home Premium, it came to about $600 US ($480 for parts). The onboard graphics are pretty decent for being onboard graphics, and were even able to run Oblivion (barely, but given what the game does to real GPUs, I was impressed). See my 690G gaming results here, last post on the page. Overall I am very impressed with what this system offers for the money.
April 18, 2007 5:27:40 AM

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Newegg doesn't ship international. That's been said about 20 times already. :roll:

Fully aware of that. But for Canada Newegg gives a basic idea of what prices should be, just multiply by 1.1 or whatever the conversion ratio is now and another 1.1 or so for the Canadians getting ripped off factor (except on Noctua fans). Still if something is 1/2 the US price on Newegg as the Canadian price elsewhere, that's a bad price Canadian. We all use Newegg to show recommended parts because it's easier than going to every manufacturer's site and they have a huge selection. I see Australians linking to Newegg for crying out loud.
April 18, 2007 2:13:35 PM

Quote:
I think this should do it.
Reviewed and made adjustments (keep in mind, CAD prices):

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition OEM
$103.35

Kingston ValueRAM PC2-4200 1GB DDR2-533 CL4 240PIN DIMM Memory
$128.50

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W ATX12V V1.3 24PIN/20PIN Power Supply Dual 80MM Fan /W 6PIN PCI-E
$37.80

Compucase 6C28 Atx Case White 4X5.25 2X3.5 4X.3.5INT W/ Front Usb & Audio No Ps
$22.99

ASUS M2A-VM HDMI mATX AM2 AMD 690G DDR2 PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI Video HDMI Sound Motherboard
$104.76

Samsung SH-S182 DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL-8X DVD Writer IDE Lightscribe Black OEM W/ Software
$42.40

Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year Mfr Warranty
$88.05

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Dual Core Processor Socket AM2 Brisbane 1.9GHZ 2X512KB 65NM 65W Retail Box
$83.20

Sub Total: $611.05 CAD ($541 USD)

Most of your list looks solid. However, I think that RAM is a rip-off. You can get 2GB of Kinston ValueRAM DDR2-667 for less (US$) than your 1GB DDR2-533 (CAD$). The exchange rate isn't that bad. Anyway, AMD's like DDR2-800. Aim for some of that if possible. The rest of your choices look good.

Anyway, the computer I am currently typing from is a budget machine I built for my sister and am "burning in" (and running up my folding@home score with :D  ) before delivery. I used the AMD X2 4800 (Brisbane), the Sapphire 690G mobo (because it has HDMI like your selected Asus, the Asus was out of stock when I ordered), 1GB of cheap DDR2-800, a Seagate 250 GB, and my old DVD burner (don't want to clutter my new PC with IDE cables). Including Vista Home Premium, it came to about $600 US ($480 for parts). The onboard graphics are pretty decent for being onboard graphics, and were even able to run Oblivion (barely, but given what the game does to real GPUs, I was impressed). See my 690G gaming results here, last post on the page. Overall I am very impressed with what this system offers for the money.

Unfortunately we don't always get those kind of deals in Canada :( 

Kingston PC2-5300 2GB 1X2GB DDR2-667 CL5-5-5 ECC 240PIN FBDIMM Dual Rank RoHS Memory

$350.47 CAD (310.872 USD) http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12410BD6492&v...

$377.17 CAD (334.555 USD) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18763&vpn=KV...
April 18, 2007 3:50:55 PM

Quote:
What do you think:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10360BD9143&v...
$83.20
ASUS M2N-E
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD2299&v...
$117.72
Corsair XMS2 TWIN2X2048-6400 2GB 2X1GB PC6400 DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 240PIN DIMM Dual Channel Memory http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180BD3839&v...
$183.20
Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15080DR2889&v...
$88.05
Samsung SH-S182 DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL-8X DVD Writer IDE Lightscribe Black OEM W/ Software
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14040DR4586&v...
$42.40
Coolermaster CAC-T05 Centurion 5 Aluminum ATX Tower Case 5X5.25 1X3.5 4X3.5INT SILVER-BLACK
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC4441&v...
$50.22
Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W ATX12V V1.3 24PIN/20PIN Power Supply Dual 80MM Fan /W 6PIN PCI-E
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14660AC4434&v...
$37.50
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition 32BIT DVD OEM
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15800SW9033&v...
$136.36
Total with shipping and tax:
$830 CAD ($733 USD)
Adding a video card to the list would probably be a good idea...
April 18, 2007 3:56:33 PM

Oops, sorry. I'm way behind on this one...
April 18, 2007 4:08:21 PM

Quote:
I think this should do it.
Reviewed and made adjustments (keep in mind, CAD prices):

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition OEM
$103.35

Kingston ValueRAM PC2-4200 1GB DDR2-533 CL4 240PIN DIMM Memory
$128.50

Thermaltake TR2 W0070 430W ATX12V V1.3 24PIN/20PIN Power Supply Dual 80MM Fan /W 6PIN PCI-E
$37.80

Compucase 6C28 Atx Case White 4X5.25 2X3.5 4X.3.5INT W/ Front Usb & Audio No Ps
$22.99

ASUS M2A-VM HDMI mATX AM2 AMD 690G DDR2 PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI Video HDMI Sound Motherboard
$104.76

Samsung SH-S182 DVD+RW 18X8X16 DVD-RW 18X6X16 DL-8X DVD Writer IDE Lightscribe Black OEM W/ Software
$42.40

Western Digital Caviar SE16 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB 8.9MS Hard Drive 3 Year Mfr Warranty
$88.05

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Dual Core Processor Socket AM2 Brisbane 1.9GHZ 2X512KB 65NM 65W Retail Box
$83.20

Sub Total: $611.05 CAD ($541 USD)

Most of your list looks solid. However, I think that RAM is a rip-off. You can get 2GB of Kinston ValueRAM DDR2-667 for less (US$) than your 1GB DDR2-533 (CAD$). The exchange rate isn't that bad. Anyway, AMD's like DDR2-800. Aim for some of that if possible. The rest of your choices look good.

Anyway, the computer I am currently typing from is a budget machine I built for my sister and am "burning in" (and running up my folding@home score with :D  ) before delivery. I used the AMD X2 4800 (Brisbane), the Sapphire 690G mobo (because it has HDMI like your selected Asus, the Asus was out of stock when I ordered), 1GB of cheap DDR2-800, a Seagate 250 GB, and my old DVD burner (don't want to clutter my new PC with IDE cables). Including Vista Home Premium, it came to about $600 US ($480 for parts). The onboard graphics are pretty decent for being onboard graphics, and were even able to run Oblivion (barely, but given what the game does to real GPUs, I was impressed). See my 690G gaming results here, last post on the page. Overall I am very impressed with what this system offers for the money.

Unfortunately we don't always get those kind of deals in Canada :( 

Kingston PC2-5300 2GB 1X2GB DDR2-667 CL5-5-5 ECC 240PIN FBDIMM Dual Rank RoHS Memory

$350.47 CAD (310.872 USD) http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12410BD6492&v...

$377.17 CAD (334.555 USD) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18763&vpn=KV...

Mushkin 996529 $125 CAD (after rebate) 1.8volt 2x1GB sticks DDR2-800 5-5-5-12
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=23669&vpn=99...
April 18, 2007 4:22:30 PM

Awesome, will definitley jump on that deal.
April 18, 2007 6:12:59 PM

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't cheap out on the power supply.

And yes, I did read the "mail in rebate" part lol.
April 18, 2007 8:26:50 PM

Quote:
I'd say fsp is a nice group for a basic psu, though pc power and cooling is a top brand out there, enermax and ocz would be it's main competitors. Thermaltake makes a nice one, but I've seen better
So, your point is???
April 18, 2007 9:26:11 PM

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My point was a thermaltake isn't worth over $100 and those are the top brands. FSP is pretty good, especially for the price, but for a top notch psu, those that I mentioned would be the way to go
I offered up the FSP as an alternative to the $38 (Canadian dollar) POS he was going to get. We are talking minimum bucks here, not the high-end stuff...
April 19, 2007 1:24:57 AM

Quote:

Unfortunately we don't always get those kind of deals in Canada :( 

Kingston PC2-5300 2GB 1X2GB DDR2-667 CL5-5-5 ECC 240PIN FBDIMM Dual Rank RoHS Memory

$350.47 CAD (310.872 USD) http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12410BD6492&v...

$377.17 CAD (334.555 USD) http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18763&vpn=KV...

Ouch man, those are painful. Good thing Newf's here with a great deal on Mushkin for you. Must be something funny about Kingston up there, the DDR2-800 is cheaper than the DDR2-667 on NCIX (US version and Canadian version both).
Kingston HyperX PC2-6400 2GB 2X1GB DDR2 800MHZ CL4-4-4-12 240PIN Dual Channel Memory Kit Cad$303.41. (Still way overpriced, but less so than the DDR2-667)

Anyway, consider the Mushkin recommendation seconded. The Corsair and G.Skill prices also seem more in line with normal than the Kingston.
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