Is it just me???

Even a 1066MHz FSB doesn't seem to limit performance for desktop tasks and even the 4mb Conroes don't show a big improvement compared to 2mb Conroes. I don't think it's really disappointing at all, I'm impressed that they're demoing a high clocked 45nm chip so far from release.

It's a very good increase due to the fact there were no major architectural changes. Basically the Intel engineers shrunk Conroe, went "Hey guys, I think we can toss this other stuff in without a problem," and did it.

939 => AM2

THAT'S disappointing

But being that its still real early there can be some changes and performance increases made before they release it.

forgive me, I had to look that up..., defenestration...., but my boot up their you no what would have been my choice.

We are only now starting to see SSE2 become widespread, let alone SSE3. SSE4 will give the Penryn/Wolfdale chips a big boost in things that support it, but I have a hunch that Intel's demo included about every program that has SSE4 at the moment. The non-SSE4 apps show a 15-20% increase over the QX6800, which is the 12% clock speed plus a few percent for the larger caches.

It's going to be a nice chip, no doubt, but it's a slightly tweaked die shrink, no more and no less. That's what the tests show for the vast majority of apps. But that's what Intel said it was supposed to be and that's exactly what it is. It's good to see Intel hitting decent clocks on 45 nm this far ahead of ship date, and what I'd really like to see is the Schmoo plot for the chip. That would be rather telling as to the minimum capabilities of the process, so I highly doubt that Intel would leak that. AMD sure as heck wouldn't

40 - 50% across the board from a die shrink with minor architectural tweaks? You must be dreaming.

This isn't Netburst to Core2 again, we probably won't see such a jump for a looooonggggg time.

Actually, they are almost exactly 100% faster. They should be as there are 4 cores vs 2 in a program that is actually multi threaded, and very scalable as well apparently. Very impressive to be sure.

To hear everyone exclaiming so, I figured thats what the buzz was about. Turns out it was more moderate increase in performance. Its all good, just not on the level of what the hype seems to be.

And as far as the 40%, I don't think any one of us will have to wait that loooong since Nehalem(sp) is on the heals of Penryn and its more of a major overhaul to the Core architecture as opposed to a refresh of Conroe that Penryn appears to be.

Its still all good. I just think lots of people and the media loose perspective and start spouting descriptors like massive, monster, etc., to describe what is essentially a very good refresh.

No one has seen any complete benchs let alone OC potential limits yet? Folks may be in for a rudeness if they discover the 1333Mhz bus and low multiplier tied to the Penryn limits their current mobos to low OC'ing or none at all.

I think you're on to something there. Intel thinks they sold too many e6400's that are running at 3.2 gigs now, so they give you a chip that is less overclockable via the FSB. Now if you want a faster chip you have to go to the next price point for the better mutiplier.