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Who is the Beast : 7900GS Vs X1950 Pro

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Total: 60 votes (2 blank votes)

  • Sapphire X1950 PRO
  • 83 %
  • XFX 7900GS Extreme
  • 18 %
April 19, 2007 3:15:48 PM

Which one beats the other in overall Hard-Core gaming? - and last longer too !-

I was about to go with XFX 7900GS Extreme ,But some guys told me that there is this x1950 PRO that would rip 7900GS into half when it comes to hardcore gaming specially Oblivion :twisted:
When I saw some reviews, I found that X1950 Pro totally stunts but what makes me really worried is these overheating issues and game crashing...plus its only 2 yrs warranty instead of 7900 GS's lifetime warranty...(mean its bad?!)

So anyone have experience in this please help me!, Does x1950PRO really overheats??


## Sapphire X1950 PRO for 135$ (the rebate will end the day after tomorrow)

Core clock 580MHz
PixelPipelines 12(36 Pixel shader processor )
Memory Clock 1400MHz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


## XFX 7900GS Extreme for 140 $

Core clock 525MHz
PixelPipelines 20
Memory Clock 1550MHz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


What do you think? :) 

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April 19, 2007 3:21:59 PM

From what I've seen the X1950 PRO issues are localized to the AGP versions of the Sapphire cards.

What games do you play?
April 19, 2007 3:28:46 PM

Man all what you would expect :D 

Oblivion
Splinter cell Double agent
FEAR
Battle Field 2
Rainbow Six Vegas
Half-Life 2
Just Cause
Company of Heroes
STALKER
C&C 3
and so on....

And Planning to play Up-coming games like Assassin's Creed and Crysis
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April 19, 2007 3:32:26 PM

I have to believe its a game to game basis. Most people who argue this never had either. And the rest have only had one or the other. I had a 7900GS and it overclocked very well and my 3DMark06 score was pretty good. My monitor is only a 19" widescreen and native res is 1440x900. I can play most games pretty much maxed out and if I couldnt i'd drop down to 1280x720 and play maxed out. It cant do AA and HDR at the same time. It all depends on the games you play. From what I hear since you said Oblivion I'd go for the 1950.

The main reason why i upgraded was because i had the means and the oppurtunity at the time. The 7900GS was still more than capable of handling everything i threw at it.
April 19, 2007 3:48:02 PM

For most games, the X1950Pro is superior. I've had mine for awhile, although I'm CPU limited so I don't get to see it's full potential. I have the HIS IceQ version and it's a beast for such a cheap card.
April 19, 2007 4:31:18 PM

i see it this way: the 7900gs is a little faster in some games and overclocks way better. BUT, these games are also very playable at good settings with the x1950pro.

but as soon as you use shader-intensive games (like las vegas, double agent and oblivion) the 7900gs drops like a brick and the x1950pro keeps it going at a playable framerate (no speed-demon but good playable compared to the 7900gs at the same settings)

so: in alot of games the 7900gs (overclocked) is faster but the x1950pro is very close and more importantly: more future games- proof!

more and more shaders in games so get the x1950pro (512mb version is the best choice). just my 2 cents..........
April 19, 2007 4:36:38 PM

An overclocked 7900GS can keep up with an X1950Pro, but I wouldn't say it beats it. Add in any sort of shaders and eye candy, and the X1950Pro excels.
April 19, 2007 4:45:40 PM

Yes, at stock the ATI is superior, but when OCing, the 7900GS beats it in most games. These cards are OC monsters.

@ the OP- If you go with a 7900GS, remember to buy one with a stock 3rd party cooler like mine, or buy it yourself, because that core heats up nicely above 600Mhz
April 19, 2007 5:01:06 PM

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For most games, the X1950Pro is superior. I've had mine for awhile, although I'm CPU limited so I don't get to see it's full potential. I have the HIS IceQ version and it's a beast for such a cheap card.


Yeah I know that but Didn't you suffer any OVERHEATING problems in this card??
April 19, 2007 5:11:26 PM

Quote:
For most games, the X1950Pro is superior. I've had mine for awhile, although I'm CPU limited so I don't get to see it's full potential. I have the HIS IceQ version and it's a beast for such a cheap card.


Yeah I know that but Didn't you suffer any OVERHEATING problems in this card??
Not even close. Stays cool as a cucumber.
April 19, 2007 5:15:44 PM

Quote:
For most games, the X1950Pro is superior. I've had mine for awhile, although I'm CPU limited so I don't get to see it's full potential. I have the HIS IceQ version and it's a beast for such a cheap card.


Yeah I know that but Didn't you suffer any OVERHEATING problems in this card??
Not even close. Stays cool as a cucumber.

Great !!
But Can you explain whats up with this Sapphire , seems to have serious overheating problem from newegg reviews?
Check it up

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 19, 2007 5:29:49 PM

Oblivion -->Sapphire X1950 PRO (HDR+AA) :twisted:
Splinter cell Double agent -->Sapphire X1950 PRO
FEAR -->XFX 7900GS Extreme (F.E.A.R like nVIDIA more than ATI)
Battle Field 2 -->Sapphire X1950 PRO
Rainbow Six Vegas -->Sapphire X1950 PRO
Half-Life 2 -->Sapphire X1950 PRO
Just Cause -->Sapphire X1950 PRO (HDR+AA)
Company of Heroes -->XFX 7900GS Extreme (Same About Dawn Of War Series)
STALKER -->Sapphire X1950 PRO
C&C 3 -->Sapphire X1950 PRO
ALL Need For Speed Series -->Sapphire X1950 PRO
Test Drive Unlimited -->Sapphire X1950 PRO

Overall -->Sapphire X1950 PRO is the clear winner :trophy:
Damn...But i like the XFX 7900GS Extreme more than Sapphire X1950 PRO :tongue:
April 19, 2007 5:53:13 PM

Quote:
For most games, the X1950Pro is superior. I've had mine for awhile, although I'm CPU limited so I don't get to see it's full potential. I have the HIS IceQ version and it's a beast for such a cheap card.


Yeah I know that but Didn't you suffer any OVERHEATING problems in this card??
Not even close. Stays cool as a cucumber.

Great !!
But Can you explain whats up with this Sapphire , seems to have serious overheating problem from newegg reviews?
Check it up

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I can't really vouche for that card, since I don't own it, but if you're that concerned about overheating, just pay the extra $20 and get this card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 19, 2007 7:25:15 PM

to be honest: my x1950pro did have trouble with overheating. seems like the first ones had some overheating problems with the voltage regulator, NOT the chip itself or the mem. i had an extra fan pointing at the vrm and all trouble was gone. just get one with decent cooling or be sure you have good airflow in your case and you`ll be fine.

i sold mine really fast (4 weeks) because i could get a good deal on a x1900xt 512 but the pro was a very nice card. about 25% faster as my 7800gt ( and that one was standard 10% overclocked!)

i guess with the current cards the vrm trouble is solved by adding a better heatsink on the vrm but i`m not sure. don`t forget by the way that there are a lot of people with no problems at all and when you google the 7900gs you`ll find lots of problems also......... people with good cards don`t complain......... :wink:
April 19, 2007 10:16:20 PM

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Damn...But i like the XFX 7900GS Extreme more than Sapphire X1950 PRO :tongue:



Hehehehehheeheheee
Yeah me too man, but I don't know why?!!! :lol: 
April 19, 2007 10:18:29 PM

Quote:
to be honest: my x1950pro did have trouble with overheating. seems like the first ones had some overheating problems with the voltage regulator, NOT the chip itself or the mem. i had an extra fan pointing at the vrm and all trouble was gone. just get one with decent cooling or be sure you have good airflow in your case and you`ll be fine.

i sold mine really fast (4 weeks) because i could get a good deal on a x1900xt 512 but the pro was a very nice card. about 25% faster as my 7800gt ( and that one was standard 10% overclocked!)

i guess with the current cards the vrm trouble is solved by adding a better heatsink on the vrm but i`m not sure. don`t forget by the way that there are a lot of people with no problems at all and when you google the 7900gs you`ll find lots of problems also......... people with good cards don`t complain......... :wink:



So its true...What manufacturer would you recommend then?
April 20, 2007 1:22:49 AM

well i have a 7900GS in my rig with a VF-700 ACU i put on myself and i have to say I enjoy my 7900GS, its quite nice, and i like it. Huge step from my 6800GT at least it seemed that way.
April 20, 2007 2:28:28 AM

Its the stock cooler on the X1950 Pro that your URL points to.

I bought the 512MB, AGP version from Sapphire and stuck a Artic Cooling Xccelero X2 on it along with a heat spreader for the Voltage Regulator (now a part of the X2 package if it says its support X1950Pro - note though that you have to cut the regulator to fit the 512MB version of the card but it should fit the 256MB with no troubles).

At any rate, playing Oblivion at 1280/1024 (native res for my 19" monitor) I can max out most all settings with no trouble. With that cooler I have never broken 46C even when playing Oblivion or running the ATI Tray Tool artifact tester (so far I've been able to overclock the GPU to 620Mhz stability and with no artifacts. Haven't pushed it further or tried the memory yet).

So I'm very happy with my choice. Though I have to agree with the previous response - if you can, go for the X1950XT. It wasn't out when I bought my card (in AGP form).
April 20, 2007 2:33:31 AM

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject:

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Its the stock cooler on the X1950 Pro that your URL points to.

I bought the 512MB, AGP version from Sapphire and stuck a Artic Cooling Xccelero X2 on it along with a heat spreader for the Voltage Regulator (now a part of the X2 package if it says its support X1950Pro - note though that you have to cut the regulator to fit the 512MB version of the card but it should fit the 256MB with no troubles).


** Sorry, that should read: cut the spreader, not the regulator!!
April 20, 2007 2:38:12 AM

Quote:
Get a X1950XT instead, much better and for not much more.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Higher Core, higher Memory Clock, more pixel shaders, and more pipelines. My friend has it...and it basically plays any game he throws it at max settings.


No man , this is relatively expensive as I'm planning to buy a card under 150 bucks..
April 20, 2007 2:40:41 AM

7900gs sucks, wow no competition there and benchmark results show
April 20, 2007 2:43:53 AM

Quote:
Its the stock cooler on the X1950 Pro that your URL points to.

I bought the 512MB, AGP version from Sapphire and stuck a Artic Cooling Xccelero X2 on it along with a heat spreader for the Voltage Regulator (now a part of the X2 package if it says its support X1950Pro - note though that you have to cut the regulator to fit the 512MB version of the card but it should fit the 256MB with no troubles).

At any rate, playing Oblivion at 1280/1024 (native res for my 19" monitor) I can max out most all settings with no trouble. With that cooler I have never broken 46C even when playing Oblivion or running the ATI Tray Tool artifact tester (so far I've been able to overclock the GPU to 620Mhz stability and with no artifacts. Haven't pushed it further or tried the memory yet).

So I'm very happy with my choice. Though I have to agree with the previous response - if you can, go for the X1950XT. It wasn't out when I bought my card (in AGP form).



So you think I should get x1950 Pro plus this cooler and heat spreader?!
Are they available at newegg?
April 20, 2007 3:10:29 AM

Probably can get it a Newegg but shop around to see where its cheapest.
And if you don't want the fuss of changing out the cooler and adding the spreader yourself, Ryokinshin's suggestion is a good one (though I have no experience with that card/cooler so I can't vouch for it).

By the way, make sure your PSU can handle the card. The 512MB version I have calls for a min of 450W with 30A on the 12V rail. Not sure what the draw is on the 256MB version but check it and make sure your PSU can handle it. If not, you either have to upgrade the PSU or choose a different card.
April 20, 2007 3:25:52 AM

Okay, It seems that I'm going with X1950 Pro..
Are there any problems that I can face when I buy this card like overheating and so on?

& In your opinion, Which manufacturer is the way to go?? :?:

I mean the 256 MB version ..
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 3:42:00 AM

Yes what is your power supply?
April 20, 2007 3:58:46 AM

Actually I haven't buy it yet...I'm upgrading the whole computer.
April 20, 2007 4:09:49 AM

if u keep ur system well ventilated as in a fan or 2 in the frount, and one in the bak, maybe a side one if the case has it.imo get an enermax liberty psu 600W it should be fine even for nxt gen cards

dual core is a must, and 2gb of ram is worth looking in to. if ur building in the summer, wait for barcelona, if not c2d ftw

and imo dual cards is not worth the money and consider getting sound card if the above 3 can be met with ease
April 20, 2007 4:14:12 AM

sapphire 1950 pro means you have to add a heatsink urself. no matter agp or pci. if it have to be 1950 pro then i would buy HIS.
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 4:15:37 AM

2gb RAM is more important than a dual-core IMO if you play games that are out atm, but together, they are da bomb.
April 20, 2007 4:16:42 AM

hes gona get way more frames and considering games pretty much all use dual core now its worth it

imo dual core>2gb ram

my dx9 frames went up from 60 to 140 in cod2 jus as an example and i hav a lot of background things running so multicore takes no hit. besides prices today it woudl be kinda dumb not to
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 4:20:19 AM

COD2 always gets a big performance increase from dual-core cpus. Other games dont. Oblivion likely will, as it runs pretty bad on my 3700, but its underclocked to run stably.
April 20, 2007 4:25:10 AM

if he dosnt want to hav to upgrade his cpu that quickly dual core is the better choice, whyu wouldnt u anyways, i mean if your not cash strapped. considering most of the 07 launches will be supporting dual core, rts get huge gains from multicore
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 4:33:44 AM

If he has the cash, then go for dual-core. But if you were building a budget gaming system for current and older games, the 2gb RAM is gonna help more than a dual-core. Battlefield and FEAR especially. I can run FEAR on almost max settings at 1280x960, but texture res I leave at medium or I get stutters. Not enough RAM to fit them in. Stalker also benefits from RAM, but having a dual-core is equally helpful. I get a 1.5gb page file from stalker.
April 20, 2007 4:40:26 AM

blackberry, how much u gona use to upgrade with anyways
April 20, 2007 6:30:19 AM

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If he has the cash, then go for dual-core. But if you were building a budget gaming system for current and older games, the 2gb RAM is gonna help more than a dual-core.

you are right.
Quote:
RTS get huge gains from multicore

as you can see in my sig, i have a 2.7GHz single core Athlon64, but i don't have any problem in running any game.
some new cpu based games like Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium War runs awesome on my system(1280x1024+16xQAA+Max in game quality at 25~30FPS).of course if you have the cash, you Should buy a Dual-Core CPU.there is no point in buying a single core cpu anymore.
you are both right.
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 6:37:05 AM

Damn CNC3. Damn all CNC games. Why do EA base the speed of the game on framerate. Cant they do it like in company of heroes? 30fps max is gay.
April 20, 2007 8:20:07 AM

Yeah, it's kind of sick when the max FPS is 30 :evil: 
but the game ROCKS :D 
nice graphic :twisted: , nice game play, everything in this game is perfect. :trophy:
Supreme Commander sucks against CNC3 :evil: 
but still the Dawn of War Dark Crusade is the best RTS game ever!!!!
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 8:24:37 AM

SC is ok, but too complicated for people with little patience and I dont want to play the same battle for 3+ hours just to get to tech level 3. CNC3 has backflipped with the way the interface is designed and the whole limited building area idea. That was left in the dust in generals, why bring it back? Its totally unrealistic. Just plonk a building down. I liked the way in generals where you could build anywhere, and you actually did build something.
April 20, 2007 8:37:45 AM

Man, you can build a cheap truck & deploy it any where you like & build around it.
I know it's not like The Generals, but it's not as bad as Supreme Commander.
Damn...i hate Supreme Commander. :evil: 
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 8:43:28 AM

I know, but whats annoying is if you are attacking, the enemy can just pop up a building out of nowhere. In generals, you could destroy buildings under construction. It was particularly useful against superweapons, preventing them from being finished.
April 20, 2007 9:31:05 AM

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blackberry, how much u gona use to upgrade with anyways


I already have my Core 2 Duo E6600 and a moniter, For the rest of stuff its gonna be 550 Bucks max..
April 20, 2007 9:36:21 AM

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I know, but whats annoying is if you are attacking, the enemy can just pop up a building out of nowhere. In generals, you could destroy buildings under construction. It was particularly useful against superweapons, preventing them from being finished.


Randomizer, you seem to have a X1950 pro..
Whats your experience with it ?
How could you overcome the OverHeating :) 
BTW from which manufacturer did you get it?
April 20, 2007 9:51:17 AM

I'll let the poll results do tha talking

I have a sapphire x1950 pro myself and I have had no issues with it....YET.

My idle temp is around the 43-47 (everything in celcius) range depending on my room temp, which is usually in the mid 20's. This is with the fan at 40%.
At 100% fan speed, temps go down to about 33-35, but its failry louder than 40% (which is barely audible)

While gaming the temps go upto about 65-75, and the fan increases speed accordingly, going upto 70% to keep the temp there and not let it rise more (still its not very loud...atleast I dont think so, i normally wear headphones, so dont notice) . Its barely ever gone over 75 degrees, unless i check for artifacts using ati tools. Then it hits 80 and the fan hits 95% to keep it there.


in short, I think i got lucky with it, since quite a few other people are having issues. Then again only the people having issues would post about it, so you'll obviously see more complaints about it.



soooo the question is....

Are you feeling lucky?? :p 
a b U Graphics card
April 20, 2007 9:55:35 AM

Quote:
Randomizer, you seem to have a X1950 pro..
Whats your experience with it ?
How could you overcome the OverHeating :) 
BTW from which manufacturer did you get it?

Its a powercolor. I have no idea of the temps, as I cant monitor them. I have had crashes and reboots in oblivion, but I am about 90% sure its my psu. For starters, it cant supply anywhere near enough power to my system for the kind of load the oblivion creates, and second, after undervolting and underclocking my cpu to 1.8GHz @ 1.1V, the reboots are almost non-existent. Crashes still occur, but I think its more the game, it isnt the most stable around. As for dealing with the heat that I dont know is there, I am replacing the stock cooler with an accelero X2.
April 20, 2007 12:22:41 PM

Quote:
I'll let the poll results do tha talking

I have a sapphire x1950 pro myself and I have had no issues with it....YET.

My idle temp is around the 43-47 (everything in celcius) range depending on my room temp, which is usually in the mid 20's. This is with the fan at 40%.
At 100% fan speed, temps go down to about 33-35, but its failry louder than 40% (which is barely audible)

While gaming the temps go upto about 65-75, and the fan increases speed accordingly, going upto 70% to keep the temp there and not let it rise more (still its not very loud...atleast I dont think so, i normally wear headphones, so dont notice) . Its barely ever gone over 75 degrees, unless i check for artifacts using ati tools. Then it hits 80 and the fan hits 95% to keep it there.


in short, I think i got lucky with it, since quite a few other people are having issues. Then again only the people having issues would post about it, so you'll obviously see more complaints about it.



soooo the question is....

Are you feeling lucky?? :p 



You mean getting this card is a risk depending on my luck?!!
if so, I'm sure it will Blast Into Fire when I start using it :lol: 
April 20, 2007 1:12:22 PM

haha, best of luck then :p  :lol: 

but yeah, im not sure if it was just one batch of them, or they are mostly like that. Mine works without any issues...so if u do get one, make sure it has some warranty so you can always give it back incase it does catch fire :p 
April 20, 2007 4:03:38 PM

From what I've read, all the problems with overheating are due to one of two things:
1) use of stock cooler from saphire, which will allow temps above 70C under load.
2) replacing the stock cooler without also adding the heat spreader for the voltage regulator.

So I don't think its a real role of the dice if you get a good cooler and also apply the heat spreader. Again, my rig runs at a nice temp under load - havne't had any problem with heat or otherwise.
April 20, 2007 7:31:31 PM

What is a heat spreader ? :D  how can I apply it?

BTW Should I get a cooler for the GPU or memory? and Don't tell me both :D 
!