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GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Rev. 3.3 - compatable RAM?

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April 19, 2007 5:47:03 PM

I'm ready to order this board: GB GA-965P-DS3 Rev. 3.3

I know GB has a "Supported Memory List" Link

What I'm looking for is somebody who actually has this board and can give me some real world advice on RAM they are using. I want to use DDR2 800 (PC2-6400) and want to use the fastest that will work in this board (without a nightmare). There are a bunch of good deals on DDR2 800 now, but I'm a bit concerned about the intel 965P "restriction":

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Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets.


Anybody know if this 1.8v and timing limits still is "absolute"?
April 19, 2007 8:54:09 PM

O_o? No need for that much.

I recommend DDR2 800 to go with that DS3. Bump the FSB to 400MHz on the E6600 and an instant 3.6GHz. For the RAM,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Is sufficient for the job. I would've recommended the FSX800D2C-K2G from Buffalo @the same price, but they are on auto notify still. Great set, they perform well.

If you want RAM that is really up to the task,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
These Super Talents work great.

Those timings you spoke about are about as concrete as air. CAS 4 will work fine, and even if, Intel chips don't need tight timed RAM, so setting it back to 5-5-5-12 from 4-4-4-12 isn't really going to kill performance. .5% maybe, but not by much.
April 19, 2007 9:03:27 PM

Both of those RAM kits are above the 1.8v limit spec'd for the board - will those 1.9 to 2.2v sticks work in that 965P board?
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April 19, 2007 9:10:03 PM

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here's what I would go with, this memory is top notch, and you are getting an amazing deal with it, otherwise most memory will work, I know corsair tests their memory before hands to see if it passes JEDEC standards
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
That memory will take you up to probably at least 1200mhz if you feed it, otherwise it's guaranteed I believe by crucial to run 800mhz cas3 anyways


A review from ClubIT - Link

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I got this board from here about a month ago.Its up and running now with a nice E6400 @3.2ghz and a 8800GTS 320mb.But the frist fe weeks were a nightmare.Constant BSOD's and cold boot issues out the wazooh.Come to find out my ram had micron D9GMH Ic's which this board does not like at all.I finnally ended up buying new ram and its a whole new system.No more cold boot issues or BSOD's.The ram i had that was causing these issue's was 2 gig OCZ PC2 8800 Gold XTC cas5-6-6-15.My new ram is Geil DDR2 800 Ultra's(not the Ultra Plus they are micron IC's) Now my board boots like a dream and runs flawless.Dont use micron based ram. Oh the OCZ are running happily in a AM2 system without issue


Kind of makes me worry about Crucial :?
April 19, 2007 9:18:38 PM

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I just happen to really like that kit for it's price :tongue:

Though I can see 1200mhz being a bit on the overboard side :o 

Yes, but remember, its not too feasible for most users. 600MHz FSB? Not on a DS3, thats for sure.
April 19, 2007 9:28:19 PM

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Well, if you are worrying about boot voltages,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Might be up your alley.


I'm not sure I understand why I shouldn't be concerned about "boot", compatibility issues ...

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Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets.


:?:
April 19, 2007 9:32:12 PM

Oh, I thought you meant boot voltage, or the min required for the board to boot. Silly me. :lol:  :oops: 

Reading it again, those are just design specifications for the P965 chipset. They are recommendations, but you can ignore them if you want to. Technically, if you are overclocking, you are already ignoring the specs in the first place.
a b } Memory
April 19, 2007 9:47:48 PM

Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets

In the spec above, the key words are INTEL DESKTOP BOARDS meaning that Intel branded boards don't allow Vdimm adjustments on the 965 boards. So, you need JEDEC spec RAM for them.

Those Gigabyte boards will run OCing RAM very well and have adjustable voltage for the Vdimm. I can't speak for other brands but I know that our memory is compatible. I have a rev 1.1 and it runs anything DDR2 I stick in it.
April 19, 2007 9:50:46 PM

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Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets

In the spec above, the key words are INTEL DESKTOP BOARDS meaning that Intel branded boards don't allow Vdimm adjustments on the 965 boards. So, you need JEDEC spec RAM for them.

Those Gigabyte boards will run OCing RAM very well and have adjustable voltage for the Vdimm. I can't speak for other brands but I know that our memory is compatible. I have a rev 1.1 and it runs anything DDR2 I stick in it.


Got a specific DDR2 800 2 GB kit to recommend?
April 19, 2007 9:54:43 PM

Besides one of your own?
a b } Memory
April 19, 2007 9:59:28 PM

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Besides one of your own?
That's a really.......odd question. Jake asked me as a Corsair rep to chime in here. Do you think that I am going to recommend another brand?

In order, here's my preference. You can sort them by budget or desired performance:

PC6400C3DF
PC6400C4D
PC6400C4
PC6400C5
VS PC6400

The PC6400C4 and C5 kits are dirt cheap at Newegg these days if you don't mind a rebate.
April 19, 2007 10:01:29 PM

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Well, if you are worrying about boot voltages,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Might be up your alley.


I was going to buy this ram a while ago, but then read reviews that said this ram actually needs 1.9V, not the listed 1.8V to run stable.

Same thing happened to me with the G.Skill PC2 6400. It's rated 1.8-2.0V but it wasn't stable at 1.8. And since I can't change the voltage, I had to sell it. Sooo, my point is is it is hard to find DDR2 800 that actually works with only 1.8V.
April 19, 2007 10:08:55 PM

It seems like you might be a little confused about the ram.

Yes, with no problem, the gigabyte ds3 will run DDR2-800 ram that requires all the way up to 2.4v or so. The first mistake was looking at intel's specifications. You need to look at gigabyte's specifications for the board.

Gigabyte is not known for any general compatibility issues with ram, so any ram should work just fine in there. The only problem, slightest chance of possibility, is that you would be required to use a different stick of ram to boot up the system so you can select the correct voltage in the bios for your high performance ram. but i think this isn't really an issue and with most ram it should boot just fine.

The ram in the search i link here to newegg is the fastest ddr2-800 ram, or the correct way to say it would be the one with the tightest timings.

The ram that was linked to above looks like good ram. Although he said he can run at ddr2-800 with 3-3 timings i would never guarantee it although most likely it should run fine.

The price you pay for the tighter timings though is not representative of the performance gain you get, so any ddr2-800 with 4-4-4-12 timings will be fine.
April 19, 2007 10:12:18 PM

You can't expect your higher performance memory to run at its specified speed and timings and still try to run it at 1.8V.

If your ram was unstable its because you need to reduce the speed down to a level that it can operate at 1.8V. Basically ddr2-533 with 5-5-5-12 timings should be fine to run most ram at 1.8V
April 19, 2007 10:29:34 PM

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Yes, with no problem, the gigabyte ds3 will run DDR2-800 ram that requires all the way up to 2.4v or so. The first mistake was looking at intel's specifications. You need to look at gigabyte's specifications for the board.


That spec "quote" was off the Gigabyte DS3 page - not intel's.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Contains this statement:
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Notice: Only DDR2-800 memory supporting JEDEC approved 1.8V operation with timings of 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 is supported on Intel Desktop Boards based on Intel 965 Express Chipsets.


Since I don't own this board, I'm just being cautious and going with what the vendors say (or warn)

I was reading this review:
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I got this board from here about a month ago.Its up and running now with a nice E6400 @3.2ghz and a 8800GTS 320mb.But the frist fe weeks were a nightmare.Constant BSOD's and cold boot issues out the wazooh.Come to find out my ram had micron D9GMH Ic's which this board does not like at all.I finnally ended up buying new ram and its a whole new system.No more cold boot issues or BSOD's.The ram i had that was causing these issue's was 2 gig OCZ PC2 8800 Gold XTC cas5-6-6-15.My new ram is Geil DDR2 800 Ultra's(not the Ultra Plus they are micron IC's) Now my board boots like a dream and runs flawless.Dont use micron based ram. Oh the OCZ are running happily in a AM2 system without issue


http://www.clubit.com/product_detail.cfm?itemno=CA48309...

Last thing I want to buy is unstable RAM 8O
April 19, 2007 10:37:18 PM

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Besides one of your own?
That's a really.......odd question. Jake asked me as a Corsair rep to chime in here. Do you think that I am going to recommend another brand?

In order, here's my preference. You can sort them by budget or desired performance:

PC6400C3DF
PC6400C4D
PC6400C4
PC6400C5
VS PC6400

The PC6400C4 and C5 kits are dirt cheap at Newegg these days if you don't mind a rebate.
A slight bit of sarcasm, begrudge a surly bastard that much. Your RAM is good, actually often the best, but sometimes I find the prices to be a bit high.
April 19, 2007 10:37:46 PM

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You can't expect your higher performance memory to run at its specified speed and timings and still try to run it at 1.8V.

If your ram was unstable its because you need to reduce the speed down to a level that it can operate at 1.8V. Basically ddr2-533 with 5-5-5-12 timings should be fine to run most ram at 1.8V


My point was that the ram is "specified" to run at 1.8V, DRR2 800, and CAS 5. But for some people, it needed 1.9V. As for the G.Skill I had, it was actually underclocked to 733Mhz and was unstable at 1.8V. But it did run fine at 682Mhz.
a b } Memory
April 20, 2007 12:49:42 AM

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A slight bit of sarcasm, begrudge a surly bastard that much. Your RAM is good, actually often the best, but sometimes I find the prices to be a bit high.[/quote]LOL...it's cool. I was wondering if I missed some humor there which is why I just said "odd". I was actually headed out the door to the gym when I posted that so I did not ponder it too long. Price not withstanding, thanks for the compliment, we take pride in our memory.

Jake, perfectly understandable being cautious building a new system. Last fall, several 965 based boards had problems booting and running high performance memory at the stock settings at the first boot. That has been resolved with bios updates so a rev 3.3 DS3 should run just about any memory you can stick in it.

Taco's, thanks for the reference 8)
April 20, 2007 12:49:53 AM

What about this ram for a DS3 P965 board...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I mean at that price its hard to pass up unless its crap ram. Will that ram allow the PC to boot up without needing to drop in different ram to get to the bios? And will that ram allow an 3.6ghz OC on the E6600?
April 20, 2007 12:57:19 AM

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Both of those RAM kits are above the 1.8v limit spec'd for the board - will those 1.9 to 2.2v sticks work in that 965P board?


when i had my GEIL PC2-6400 Value (rated at 1.8v), my S3 would run them at 1.92v even if i run them at DDR2-533/667 or 800

it would run problem free..until i added another 2x512 (after which it would just BSOD and fail memtest)

so i traded it with a friend's Micron D9CWX DDR2-667, now my board runs the 4 sticks like a dream
April 20, 2007 2:10:31 AM

You don't. Call it a game of chance.
April 20, 2007 2:32:56 AM

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What about this ram for a DS3 P965 board...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I mean at that price its hard to pass up unless its crap ram. Will that ram allow the PC to boot up without needing to drop in different ram to get to the bios? And will that ram allow an 3.6ghz OC on the E6600?


A possibility. This G. Skill looks good and is at a good price too:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And this:

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E1682...
April 20, 2007 2:47:31 AM

Side question, is there any way to know which Rev. DS3 your getting when you order from newegg?
April 20, 2007 2:51:13 AM

The more expensive looks like it should overclock pretty high. You'll notice its recommended voltage is 2.0-2.1V vs the 1.9-2.0V of the white ones. If you don't plan on running the memory any higher than 400mhz then i would just settling for the cheaper ones. The slightly more expensive ones will allow you to overclock beyond 400mhz while still keeping the 4-4-4-12 timings.
April 20, 2007 2:53:43 AM

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Side question, is there any way to know which Rev. DS3 your getting when you order from newegg?

Yes. Order the one labeled Rev 1.3. :D  :lol:  Seriously I don't know if anybody has yet figured out what the deal with rev 1.3 is and how it compares- it seems newer than 3.3 yet is priced cheaper. As far as the regular one, they are usually shipping 3.3 but I don't know that they have purged 100% of the rev 2.0's. I myself ordered one from the Egg two weeks ago and got rev 3.3 for whatever that's worth.

Edit: Order it from ClubIT like Jake says if you are worried.
April 20, 2007 3:36:03 AM

I think unless specified otherwise you should get the newest revision. The worst case scenario would be that you happened to order when the new revisions just came out and you got the previous revision.
April 20, 2007 4:04:14 AM

Yeah first post!

Anyway, I'm using Crucial memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E1682...
and I'm very happy with it. Using F10 bios, I'm running FSB333 with the memory at 833MHz (4:5) at 4-4-4-12 timings on low-end air with a Xeon 3060 (e6600) processor in a high-end HTPC setup. All that with Vista Ultimate to boot (no pun intended!). Only took a few minutes using wusy's C2D guide

http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Core2Duo-Overcl...

Right now, temps are at 36/32C for system/cpu. I'm planning on getting this to FSB 400, once I get my watercooling rig set up, and I have no doubt it will handle this OC. 3.6GHz, wilince, and low temps, you can't beat that! I'm certainly not as experienced as many of the posters on this forum, but I'm certainly no noob with hardware either. I would highly recommend this RAM, although its pricey, it made things very easy for me, and this was the first time I've OC'd since a PII (almost 10 years)!!!

On a side note, people on the THG forums seem more than happy to give advice, and since I'm not too good with HTML, any advice on adding links to a post would be appreciated.

Hope your build goes well.
April 20, 2007 4:16:04 AM

That looks like great memory but with every brand comes a price. Luckily there are few brands out there that are not "brand" name concerned as others and deliver good products for a cheaper price. The model you listed is very expensive for what would be a marginal increase in headroom for overclocking vs the black pair of g.skill modules linked above.
April 20, 2007 4:22:54 AM

Blah so DS3 3.3 isn't the newest one?...lol thats just silly.
April 20, 2007 5:04:40 AM

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Blah so DS3 3.3 isn't the newest one?...lol thats just silly.

I don't know. All I know is that the 1.3 showed up both on Newegg and on www.gigabyte.com.tw after the rev 3.3 did.

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I think unless specified otherwise you should get the newest revision. The worst case scenario would be that you happened to order when the new revisions just came out and you got the previous revision.

Key word being 'should'. Note the review for the DQ6 here:
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Reviewed By: on 3/6/2007 Tech Level: high - Ownership: 1 month to 1 year
Pros: The Rev. 2.0 motherboard I recieved after all the time I waited to order it, and after all the posts of people getting rev 3.3 was disapointing. But the board is extremely nice, even it's rev 2.0 form. I don't think I will be using this board if I ever get a 1333 FSB processor anyway down the line. Not that it's not a great board for it, but I have a feeling new MB techs will drive me to get a newer MB anyway.
Cons: Got rev 2.0 and not 3.3. The board has a crazy cool heatsink on the back, making the zalman 9500 cooler install a PITA. Had to cut things, and trim things. But it's installed now and works great. E6600 runs 29c idle and 45c under load with speed stepping turned off.
Other Thoughts: NEWEGG!! Post rev models on the ordering page so it's not a random draw!
April 20, 2007 1:24:40 PM

You decided on what RAM you're going to run yet?
April 20, 2007 1:42:47 PM

Rev 2.0 and 3.3 support quad cores, the earlier ones only supported dual cores.
April 20, 2007 2:06:50 PM

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You decided on what RAM you're going to run yet?

If I had to order today, probably this:
G.SKILL DDR2 800
4-4-4-12
April 20, 2007 2:09:00 PM

With the Micron D9's.. that is possibly the best IC for RAM. Hopefully the ones you get have that batch.
April 20, 2007 7:08:07 PM

Those would be considered the lowest grade version of the DDR2-800 modules g.skill offers. Its really of matter of whether you think you'll run your memory higher than 400mhz or not. With the memory you've chosen i wouldn't count on much headroom.
April 20, 2007 7:46:34 PM

i know this ram works well with the ds3

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...

if you check the bundles on www.overclockers.co.uk they sell the ds3 with ram that is known to be compatible

i also have this ram and its working great with my DS4 mobo

it had no problems at 1.8v getting into the bios , i set it to 2.1V and left it there ever since

i read also that the ram compatibility issues with the gigabyte boards where cleared up after bios F3.

i bought mine on 1st of Jan 2007 and mine shipped with F5 already installed. so you should be fine
April 20, 2007 7:54:16 PM

I have heard of several people complaining that their >1.8v ram will not boot on their DS3.

I have read a LOT over several months and that is why I am getting the 2gig Kingston DDR2 667 kit for $107.

Undestandably, this RAM will not OC very far, but it is recommended by both Gigabyte, Intel, and Kingston for the Intel P965 Board and the DS3.

I would only buy RAM that we KNOW boots right with a DS3.
Find out from people who own the DS3 what kind of RAM they use.

From recent memory, I know that Skyguy uses some OCZ Special Ops. PM him.
April 20, 2007 9:11:16 PM

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Find out from people who own the DS3 what kind of RAM they use.

That was what I was trying to do with the OP - but you always get a ton of "it aught to work" recommendations here - well intentioned, but not necessarily from actual experience.
April 20, 2007 9:29:47 PM

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i know this ram works well with the ds3

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY...

if you check the bundles on www.overclockers.co.uk they sell the ds3 with ram that is known to be compatible

i also have this ram and its working great with my DS4 mobo

it had no problems at 1.8v getting into the bios , i set it to 2.1V and left it there ever since

i read also that the ram compatibility issues with the gigabyte boards where cleared up after bios F3.

i bought mine on 1st of Jan 2007 and mine shipped with F5 already installed. so you should be fine


Thanks! I had seen people who said that those RAM sticks worked well and OC'd great. I couldn't find them at any of the normal etailers, so I called Geil - and you can order the DDR2 800 (2x1GB) kits directly from Geil for about $165 + $10 shipping.

I think that's what I might do.

Geil DDR2 Ultra, PC2-6400 DDR2-800 Dual Channel Kit

They look as good as any I've seen and reviews say they work great.
April 20, 2007 9:52:44 PM

What crucial - link?
April 20, 2007 9:56:49 PM

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it's guaranteed I believe by crucial to run 800mhz cas3 anyways


Got any links referring to this? If that's true I'll have it :wink:
April 20, 2007 9:57:18 PM

I gave you a link to Gigabyte's site (where that list came from) ... go ask them! :!:
April 20, 2007 10:31:44 PM

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I think you are paying way too much for ram when you could just step up to the crucial for another $10 after mir, or you could just save your money and upgrade the mobo, a gigabyte dq6 or asus commando with some cheapo memory would be a smarter choice then spending tons of money on ddr2-800 memory and getting a basic board


So you don't have a link to this "deal"? :roll:
April 20, 2007 11:19:30 PM

I agree totally. However, I wanted to ensure that my first foray into overclocking after such a long hiatus would yeild good results. I looked at many different brands of RAM trying to find companies that used D9 IC's. However, the only way I knew that I was going to get them was by going to the source (Crucial=Micron). For me, the price premium was worth it for peace of mind. I didn't want to try to chase a deal and gamble on getting a certain revision only to be let down when and if that gamble does not pay off.

With that said, the OP wanted to know what RAM worked with this board, and I can say that mine works just fine!
April 21, 2007 12:23:07 AM

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Don't have any off the top of my head, but take a look at the programmed values on the crucial, it's supposed to be pretty good for 800mhz and should do cas3 with it's stock voltage of 2.1v for 1000mhz, almost all 1000mhz memory and up will do it (not guaranteed by manufacturer always, but it should be able to)


Got some of the OCZ PC8500 Nvidia heatspreader stuff and that wouldn't, so returned it. Might give it a go with the crucial as it's only £130 here, and the Team PC6400 3-3-3-8 I was looking at is £210. Weren't you going to get some of the ballistix? (and off topic, was Iran good?)
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