WINEHQ will port Vista's DX10 to Windows XP!

Excuse me if I'm wrong but what am I reading here....DX10 for XP by Linux programmers???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

Click on the links 3 and 4 and take a look at the links wikipedia provides there: http://www.winehq.org/?issue=320

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Would like some comments on this please. thx

Yes, me too. For as I know WINEHQ has allways done a perfect job in writing somekind of DX emulations. I say somekind cause the way they do it is not really an emulation method. They embedd it (which is better) while Cedega uses a real emulations running appwise on the OS. But still the performance will be a little less I guess. We'll see

I hope Microsoft add a punkbuster type anti hack into windows so non windows operation systems cant use direct x 10 over the net

Microsoft do a great job making Direct X and all you wanna be linux GEEKZ have to steal Direct X from the OS you hate. Heres an idea learn to make your own software instead of stealing it.

Linux = wannabes that cant program shit

that all you can comeback with, if linux was any good it would compete agaisnt windows but it cant. If there was a NEED for a new operating system one would have come out that could match Vista.

Most people have no problems using windows, I work in a computer hardware store and 99% of the customers computer stuff up are cause by Hardware, User Error or Drivers. 99% of the windows complaints that I get are very easy to fix if you search the net for 5-10 minutes.

Yes, MS Windows has had its fair share of viruses and such but one of the major features of Vista 32-bit is security and if you use 64-bit even more protection. Now don't trie to tell me Vista has been hacked, the one and only hack so far the hacker much first physically sit infront of your computer to open up this attack.

that all you can comeback with, if linux was any good it would compete agaisnt windows but it cant. If there was a NEED for a new operating system one would have come out that could match Vista.

Most people have no problems using windows, I work in a computer hardware store and 99% of the customers computer stuff up are cause by Hardware, User Error or Drivers. 99% of the windows complaints that I get are very easy to fix if you search the net for 5-10 minutes.

Yes, MS Windows has had its fair share of viruses and such but one of the major features of Vista 32-bit is security and if you use 64-bit even more protection. Now don't trie to tell me Vista has been hacked, the one and only hack so far the hacker much first physically sit infront of your computer to open up this attack.

One, your posts both show a lack of knowledge, education or reasoning in the least bit about OS's or market dynamics. Two, you don't deserve a two.

You miss the point here. Direct X is a standard (all be it closed). Now if I come along and write a new piece of code with the same function calls that do the same things WITHOUT ever seeing the source code... Well I guess I just wrote my own implementation of Direct X.

Hmmm.. now then what is direct x based on again? Can't hear you.. was that OpenGL I heard from the back of the class there??? You clearly run windows.. Can BSD have its IP stack back then please??

Again you miss the point. MS = Closed Standards. That the Linux community has to come up with some creative hacks is a result of the refusal to work with industry standards. Just look at what MS did to the HTML standards...

Linus and Mr Stallman are just two of the names that spring to mind of Linux programmers that are at the core of the craft. I've worked with some darn talented Windows developers, some killer Unix programmers and some of the people that now work for RedHat writing the Kernel. Trust me.. you do not want to call a contest..

lol, you still don't get it do you.....also just to let you know is that I've stopped explaining to you fanboy....go spend your MadnEss somewhere else on Microsoft fansites where Vista is totally holy without any flaw. I'm done with you.

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First off I wouldnt pretend to be an expert but posting this quote flaming someone was probably not the best thing to do bro, its 3 months before Vista was even available to business and im guessing in the meantime that some further changes were made to Vista possibly stopping the backdoor stuff which that haxxor was talking about.

To me its like this, mostly everyone thinks that windows is the be all and end all of OS's because they dont know any better and to be honest as shown by the market share windows is the be all and end all for "most" people who own a pc. I wonder how productive those people in Munchen were while adapting to a new OS??

anyway my point is this, it makes me laugh to see people going back and forward flaming each other because one person likes Windows and another likes Linux, cant we just all get along!!! haha

BTW I have never used Linux and probably never will as I really cant be bothered to take the time to mess with it, XP does everything I need to do and im sure in about 2009 I will switch to Vista or whatever is available at that time. Ignorance is bliss though isnt it as well, if you dont know there is anything wrong with your security on a windows syystem why be worried about it.

Happy New Year All, lets keep this lively banter flowing

Btw, it only gives that app admin properties, not the whole user. Plus most of it is sandboxed from the rest of the system, so it shan't affect the other users. At least not too bad, we all know microsoft security

Yes when you need to help customers with their problems in Vista it's just a 100 procent must that you dig into Vista.
But if I ask you this question.....what if young gamers are able to play DX10 games on XP also when WineHQ ported DX10 to XP. WHat would you advise them to use? XP or Vista? I've read that Vista has some dirty ways of it's own. For example I read this on some page;

That is in the Digital Signing of software. To be able to install software on Vista MS is claiming that it will have to be Digitally Signed just like the Hardware is now on XP. The only problem here is that if MS Pushed ahead along the same lines as Hardware Digital Signatures the companies involved Can Not provide any support for different platforms.

Also Vista is known for informing people how to use Vista with every move they make. Now I've heared that it's possible to shut that info thingy down but it just comes standard and I think many people will not know how to shot this irritating behaviour down. Is MS still thinking that most people are still living in noob land without any knowledge in Computing. What are they thinking? :S We live in a digital age not in the stone age. Most people allready know how to compute. And besides...if they want to reach the more dumb hard learning people they should also make their product more payable for these people orelse it still has no use of implanting this kind of interface behaviour like they feel like they are teaching donkeys. :S

Well, that would be nice indeed if that will solve this problem. Thx for mentioning.

I know this is an old thread but I have to say, linux is FREEWARE. The fact that it can compete with and best microsofts offering in performance and utility is the very reason why people do not like microsoft or windows. If you use your computer for ACTUAL computation ie (programming, cad, server, etc) linux wins hands down across the board for security, performance, and cost. The exception to this rule is video game performance. Because microsoft owns the OS market they can decide what proprietary language they want to use. This forces hardware and software developers who want a piece of the pie to use microsofts API. OpenGL is sophisticated enough to do anything dx10 can do, but microsoft has created incentives for developers to use dx10 because in the end it forces gamers (a large chunk of computer users) to purchase windows vista. It has already been demonstrated that absolutely nothing prevents XP, OSX, Linux from running dx10, so microsoft's statement that this is impossible is an outright lie. Continue to support a company that monopolizes the industry and rips you off and lies to you. Linux is far more sophisticated than windows. If you are worried about actual WORK related tasks, all major engineering software developers support linux and everything works "out of box". If you are worried about video games, then yes you are stuck with windows, but for no other reason than microsoft wants to shake you down for every cent you have, and game developers go along with it. Vista to this day STILL offers poor performance and cannot even claim full DX10 compatibility, and yet microsoft is announcing Windows 7! My guess: DX 11 exclusive. And you can be the dumbass supporting this snakeoil bs happily throwing your money away. What is it that they say about Fools and their money?

Again, the thing about Linux and BSD based systems is that they are FREE. They are not trying to compete with windows! It is written by programmers for programmers. The fact that it can offer better performance and security than windows when much of the software/drivers have to be backward engineered to work is simply amazing. Except it isnt amazing, it just demonstrates the competence of the majority of programmers and the incompetence of microsoft engineers who are more concerned with controlling the compatibility of hardware and software vendors than anything else. It has never been an issue of Linux trying to overtake windows. and yet this DX10 silliness is just a demonstration of how scared Microsoft is of alternative OS's. At some point developers are going to tire of this. If DX10 can't run on XP why did Microsoft send a cease and desist to the people who developed freeware software that permitted DX10 on XP, OSX, and LINUX platforms? You are a fool my friend. We are all forced to follow microsofts paradigm, that's reality, but to strongly advocate it just demonstrates not only your computer illiteracy, but social and economic obliviousness.

BTW you are a moron. Almost all computer issues are user or software related. 1% maybe of all issues are defective hardware, but you are obviously a moron and its an easy way for you to sell things to people that don't need them. You realize you sell snakeoil right?

I don't have disdain for non-Windows users... I just have disdain for those that make unsubstantiated claims. Saying that Linux is better than Windows is like saying Skippy is better than Jiff. In the end they both do the same thing, it's just a matter of personal preference. I like Windows because it's much easier for me to use. I have a computer with Ubuntu loaded up because I want to learn how to use Linux... but I'm no where near comfortable enough to use it full time.

Once I get to feeling like I don't need a math degree to install a driver, then I'll be more comfortable with it... but until then, it's primarily Windows for me. You can make the argument that Linux is better until you're blue in the face... but the most you'll get me to say is that it's "better for YOU". After all what's better in your opinion may be absolute garbage in another's opinion.

As for the virus issue... anyone that practices safe computing has nothing to fear from viruses. You don't even need an antivirus as long as you remember what is ok and what to avoid. If anything, antivirus software makes people too complacent; they think they can do anything because their antivirus software will keep them safe. Any experienced computer user knows you're never completely safe... being on the internet is the riskiest endevour you can undertake with your computer. As secure as Linux is... even it has vulnerabilities that can be exploited.

"Free" doesn't mean "better". I'm not saying that spending a lot of money will necessarily get you a better product either... but then it is my money to spend. I like Windows... and I have yet not felt compelled to make the switch.

You can't, a) Vista has this protection and b) it doesn't cost 300

you loose

The only thing diffrent about DX10 from previous DX versions is that it assums WDDM. Remove that, put the .dll in the right spot with the other DX files, and DX10 will work with no issues. The trick is getting around WDDM. But execution is the same: call the .dll files and execute the function inside.

And explain what "running DX-10 in DX-9 mode" is please? First I ever head of it

The only real reason to run Windows over Linux at this point is compatability (especially with games). Everything else generally has a Linux version/alternative or executes through WINE.