Excuse me if I'm wrong but what am I reading here....DX10 for XP by Linux programmers???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

Click on the links 3 and 4 and take a look at the links wikipedia provides there: http://www.winehq.org/?issue=320

Search for this part for example>>>

Would like some comments on this please. thx

I'd like to see how well the port compares to actual DX 10 performance.

Yes, me too. For as I know WINEHQ has allways done a perfect job in writing somekind of DX emulations. I say somekind cause the way they do it is not really an emulation method. They embedd it (which is better) while Cedega uses a real emulations running appwise on the OS. But still the performance will be a little less I guess. We'll see

Wow. I hope they do port over DX10 to XP. That would eliminate me having to install the bloatware that is Vista.

I hope Microsoft add a punkbuster type anti hack into windows so non windows operation systems cant use direct x 10 over the net

Microsoft do a great job making Direct X and all you wanna be linux GEEKZ have to steal Direct X from the OS you hate. Heres an idea learn to make your own software instead of stealing it.

Linux = wannabes that cant program shit

Err... shut up. Please.

that all you can comeback with, if linux was any good it would compete agaisnt windows but it cant. If there was a NEED for a new operating system one would have come out that could match Vista.

Most people have no problems using windows, I work in a computer hardware store and 99% of the customers computer stuff up are cause by Hardware, User Error or Drivers. 99% of the windows complaints that I get are very easy to fix if you search the net for 5-10 minutes.

Yes, MS Windows has had its fair share of viruses and such but one of the major features of Vista 32-bit is security and if you use 64-bit even more protection. Now don't trie to tell me Vista has been hacked, the one and only hack so far the hacker much first physically sit infront of your computer to open up this attack.

And then the hack to the anti-hack that would be sure to follow would have it defeated in a few weeks.

The only reason DX has so much support is due to market share.

So that explains why MS has been stealing Linux code.

Don't waste any more time with this troll, guys.

that all you can comeback with, if linux was any good it would compete agaisnt windows but it cant. If there was a NEED for a new operating system one would have come out that could match Vista.

Most people have no problems using windows, I work in a computer hardware store and 99% of the customers computer stuff up are cause by Hardware, User Error or Drivers. 99% of the windows complaints that I get are very easy to fix if you search the net for 5-10 minutes.

Yes, MS Windows has had its fair share of viruses and such but one of the major features of Vista 32-bit is security and if you use 64-bit even more protection. Now don't trie to tell me Vista has been hacked, the one and only hack so far the hacker much first physically sit infront of your computer to open up this attack.

One, your posts both show a lack of knowledge, education or reasoning in the least bit about OS's or market dynamics. Two, you don't deserve a two.

[quote="Madnyss"]

First I totally agree with DaSickNinja.....you should shut up Madnyss. I'll explain you why.

First of all you totally miss the conversation here about DX10 being ported to XP. There is nothing wrong with that...it's good for people that don't have the money for expensive OS's like Vista that asks for a new big ass PC also so grow up you no brainer. Second Linux is able to compete with Vista bigtime. You should stop reading only reviews from your windows review fan sites and also open your eyes a bit more before you start pulling a big mouth. You come in tomshardware with a few posts and you talk what we should do and stuff? You are screwing your name allready.

Oh goody you work in a hardware store....usually when I come into hardware stores I do a little talk to the hardware salesmen and find out they know nothing about hardware and software. For example the Logitec Dinovo Edge lol....not one single salesmen ever heared about it one month before releasing. They know nothing. Most of them only know their bullshit talks to sell to dumbass people. So like we care where you work. lol 99% of the windows complaints.......man you are so full of bull....you don't even know what the blue screen of death means. Like you never had to reinstall Windows cause it got totally poisoned after 1 or 2 years of heavy use. Oh holy windows holy windows bad linux. Are you sure you are working for a hardware store and not for Microsoft instead? Did you allready know that in germany Linux is getting mega populair...the hole goverment of munchen is using Linux allready. Microsoft tryed to make a deal but failed. Also there are allready computers sold with Linux instead of Windows on it. You call those bad computers also? lol I love you windows fan boys....you no brainers are just full of crap.

lmao....another big lag of knowledge as you are only serving on windows fan sites....I have one link to proof it....and it is not about internal attacks only as there will be outside attacks possible to as the bugs will be discovered as every OS has bugs. The only danger that lies in the security system of Vista is that when such a bug is used by an outside attack this attack will be able to perform undetectable processes. Here....something else Microsoft fan sweeties won't tell you>>>> http://www.internetnews.com/securi [...] hp/3624861

In other words.....I'll remember your name as you are a big FAKE.

You miss the point here. Direct X is a standard (all be it closed). Now if I come along and write a new piece of code with the same function calls that do the same things WITHOUT ever seeing the source code... Well I guess I just wrote my own implementation of Direct X.

Hmmm.. now then what is direct x based on again? Can't hear you.. was that OpenGL I heard from the back of the class there??? You clearly run windows.. Can BSD have its IP stack back then please??

Again you miss the point. MS = Closed Standards. That the Linux community has to come up with some creative hacks is a result of the refusal to work with industry standards. Just look at what MS did to the HTML standards...

Linus and Mr Stallman are just two of the names that spring to mind of Linux programmers that are at the core of the craft. I've worked with some darn talented Windows developers, some killer Unix programmers and some of the people that now work for RedHat writing the Kernel. Trust me.. you do not want to call a contest..

Have you only read that one website about that attack, it is very unbiaised. If you open that email, then open the .exe then click on allow in the Windows User Access Control. which you have to be logged on as the "admin" for the attack to spread to other user accounts and such.

You don't know anything about Vista and how its Sercurity works, this attack could easily be changed and attack linux if your logged in as the root user when you open that email.

lol, you still don't get it do you.....also just to let you know is that I've stopped explaining to you fanboy....go spend your MadnEss somewhere else on Microsoft fansites where Vista is totally holy without any flaw. I'm done with you.

You mean it now defaults to the behavior of a Debian system and prompts for admin privileged actions? Hmmm who else has done it that way for a while... Apple perhaps??

I will give you that Vista has a MORE secure configuration by default than XP, but then thats hardly cause for the NSA to give up fighting cyber crime is it..

[quote="Madnyss"]

First off I wouldnt pretend to be an expert but posting this quote flaming someone was probably not the best thing to do bro, its 3 months before Vista was even available to business and im guessing in the meantime that some further changes were made to Vista possibly stopping the backdoor stuff which that haxxor was talking about.

To me its like this, mostly everyone thinks that windows is the be all and end all of OS's because they dont know any better and to be honest as shown by the market share windows is the be all and end all for "most" people who own a pc. I wonder how productive those people in Munchen were while adapting to a new OS??

anyway my point is this, it makes me laugh to see people going back and forward flaming each other because one person likes Windows and another likes Linux, cant we just all get along!!! haha

BTW I have never used Linux and probably never will as I really cant be bothered to take the time to mess with it, XP does everything I need to do and im sure in about 2009 I will switch to Vista or whatever is available at that time. Ignorance is bliss though isnt it as well, if you dont know there is anything wrong with your security on a windows syystem why be worried about it.

Happy New Year All, lets keep this lively banter flowing

Eh, I'll say i've been on both sides. About 2 years ago I was the biggest Windows lover, making fun of people using Macs, I hadn't ever heard of Linux. Then one day a fellow friend of mine showed me the LiveCD. I'd always dreamed of customizing and tweaking my OS in anyway, but alas Windows was a little "sealed". So from there I started with Ubuntu 5.04, which at the time was a little primitive. My, how it has evolved in the last 2 years, all the way to 6.10, and in a few months 7.04. Windows currently has market share. And virtually every computer company (besides Apple) preload their computers with it. All the old people, or the crazy teenager gamers with absoulutely no lives thrive on it. Even the cheerleaders, who just "myspace" or ''Im' thrive on it.... I have perfectly lived with a Linux OS, finding I have never had a spyware, adware, or virus isstue with it. Though it took time and developement, I can finally fully depend on Linux, thanks to Wine and some crazy bash scripting I can run Halo on Linux. And, to those that feel that directx can only run on Windows, well. Wow. On Linux, well, it's buggy, because it's still hackish. But my goodness, the speed of the pieces that aren't too buggy is incredible, even beating windows! I feel that the real point of this topic, the DX10 port, will make some of you anti linux and even anti windows users happy indeed. Maybe we should stop, and give credit to the developers that work hard for us, so we can enjoy these luxories without having to dish out a pretty penny. Btw, Aero is crap compared to Beryl. No doubt about it. I'd like to see Vista rain, or snow, or turn into a cube. And now that i'm anti-windows (here we go... lol), let's see, Beryl will run on a ton more hardware than aero, in fact aero won't even from on my gma900 chipset, cuz they feel it's not "good" enough for them... and let's not even go into DRM... man, and how vista syncs with the msoft servers virtually everyday, i hope you guys have fun with that, and having your screen dim and making you click on something everytime you open any app.... and to the linux users, doesn't that sorta remind you of, i dunno, sudo? su? gksu? gksudo?. Yeah. Microsoft just loves our ideas. Ha. I can't wait till MSoft shoots itself in the foot with this one. And to you windows users, I hope your $300 is well spent

Best regards,

Mr. Biscuit

Btw, it only gives that app admin properties, not the whole user. Plus most of it is sandboxed from the rest of the system, so it shan't affect the other users. At least not too bad, we all know microsoft security

Most people won't buy Vista, they'll buy a PC with Vista already loaded. That $300 is therefore invisible to them... they just think they're paying for the computer, not the OS it's loaded with.

As for me, well I like RC2. I have to familiarize myself with Vista because sooner or later someone is going to walk in with a Vista-loaded PC and expect me to fix it.

MS doesn't care a lot about the enthusiast market... so I don't think a few of us complaining makes a whole lot of difference to them. Now if their Enterprise customers started complaining... that would be a different story entirely.

Yes when you need to help customers with their problems in Vista it's just a 100 procent must that you dig into Vista.
But if I ask you this question.....what if young gamers are able to play DX10 games on XP also when WineHQ ported DX10 to XP. WHat would you advise them to use? XP or Vista? I've read that Vista has some dirty ways of it's own. For example I read this on some page;

That is in the Digital Signing of software. To be able to install software on Vista MS is claiming that it will have to be Digitally Signed just like the Hardware is now on XP. The only problem here is that if MS Pushed ahead along the same lines as Hardware Digital Signatures the companies involved Can Not provide any support for different platforms.

Also Vista is known for informing people how to use Vista with every move they make. Now I've heared that it's possible to shut that info thingy down but it just comes standard and I think many people will not know how to shot this irritating behaviour down. Is MS still thinking that most people are still living in noob land without any knowledge in Computing. What are they thinking? :S We live in a digital age not in the stone age. Most people allready know how to compute. And besides...if they want to reach the more dumb hard learning people they should also make their product more payable for these people orelse it still has no use of implanting this kind of interface behaviour like they feel like they are teaching donkeys. :S