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E4300 is $135 at the egg, no change in the good chips

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April 20, 2007 1:25:12 AM

The E4300 has dropped $30 - again! it went back up now back down

all the QC & C2D are the same price still
April 20, 2007 1:53:37 AM

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The E4300 has dropped $30 - again! it went back up now back down

all the QC & C2D are the same price still


Yea, we know. We dont need minute to minute updates you know.


I thought you went over to the dark side?
April 20, 2007 1:54:42 AM

Don't you know? Intel is the dark side. [/sarcasm]
April 20, 2007 2:38:44 AM

Who cares about the E4300 any more? (kidding) The E4400 is up for $159. And the E6320 and E6420 have finally arrived for only $4 each more than the E6300 and E6400...
April 20, 2007 4:14:50 AM

sorry my response to intel price drops! no drop

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The E4300 has dropped $30 - again! it went back up now back down

all the QC & C2D are the same price still


Yea, we know. We dont need minute to minute updates you know.


I throw you went over to the dark side? (i switch sides easy)

after all e4300 are the throw away chips!

here amd is trying end the e4300 line so amd can rename them the X3's!

intel refuses to budge on price and amd must buy the e4300's to repackage as X3 at full newegg retail!

me bad!


amd leads in .. wait .. thinking..... ok .... um......integrated graphics! (they stole from ati) that's it amd leaders in el cheapo on board graphics - hurray!
April 20, 2007 10:51:30 AM

im getting an e4300.................

that is, if the WD SE16 that I ordered doesnt revive my DEADBOX

know of any good deals for the P180? There was one at Frys that ended yesterday for 120 minus 40 MIR, Free Shipping.

At the egg, after shipping and Rebate its like 123. Not Cool.
April 20, 2007 1:09:36 PM

Whelp... my dad's enjoying his E4300 atm.

We did get ours for 133.90. :lol:  . o O (OEM though)

Not that he needs it to be OC, but might try to get it at E6600 speed. :wink:
April 20, 2007 1:16:28 PM

but isnt the price drop on the 22nd?
April 20, 2007 1:25:02 PM

Yes..

It should drop to $113.

I would have waited some what longer... but :oops: 

I was sorta eager, and parts I had delivered were about 3 weeks old. So I wanted to be sure I didn't get anything that was DOA.

And there were so many times, I'd check on certain parts, and when I was ready to purchase it, it was either out of stock, or the price jumped instead of dropping. :lol: 
April 20, 2007 1:45:15 PM

the e4400 is going to be worth $133 on sunday at newegg right? that is the only reason im picking that over an x2 4800
April 20, 2007 1:48:39 PM

Ya, it should be around 133.

Though the nice thing on the E4400, the multiplier is 10.

But GL on your build for the 4800+ system. :D 
April 20, 2007 2:16:55 PM

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(i switch sides easy)

So you're a switch hitter huh?
April 20, 2007 2:23:34 PM

Wait for the Quads at $266. Cant go wrong with that one.
April 20, 2007 2:30:04 PM

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Wait for the Quads at $266. Cant go wrong with that one.
Wait a few more months for that drop?

Why not just wait a few more years? Imagine the Core 8 Duos!
April 20, 2007 2:40:22 PM

Anyone have any idea when THG is going to post a cpu review for the new chips? I'd have expected them to do it before the launch. They usually get advanced samples. I want to see some OC attempts with the e4400 and e6420. :D 
April 20, 2007 3:23:04 PM

Really don't waste your money on the e4400... If your budget constrains you to that chip save the extra 20 bucs and get the e4300 I have one and I can tell you that it is not FSB limited, like say the e6300...

Clarification,

e4300= 200fsbx9miltiplier
e4400= 200fsbx10multiplier

I can achieve upto 3.2 ghz @ vCORE 1.4 whether the multi is 9x356 or 8x400 fsb makes no difference. So if you are budget limited and only using stock/cheap aftermarket air cooler there is not point in gettting the e4400. I mean the with the 4300 @ fsb333 mem div 1:1 you have a 3ghz c2d and ddr2 667 mem, 4400 @ fsb300 mem div 1:1 same thing 3 ghz c2d and only ddr2 600 mem. To me it seems a no brainer... unless paired with a crappy board that has no oc'n ability I would then bsel mod the e4400 and get the fsb to 266 so you can have 2.66 ghz c2d thats just me tho.

PS my e4300 @ 3.2ghz does 17.1 sec superPI 1m times, not that crappy IMO :twisted:
April 20, 2007 3:31:43 PM

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Anyone want an E6400 that will do 3.5ghz dual prime stable for over 24hrs at just 1.38vc? :wink:


If you are serious...PM me :D  I'm looking for a new CPU and was going to be E4400 or E6420 but a nice price could change my mind...
April 20, 2007 4:13:49 PM

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Anyone have any idea when THG is going to post a cpu review for the new chips? I'd have expected them to do it before the launch. They usually get advanced samples. I want to see some OC attempts with the e4400 and e6420. :D 

there are folks over at [H]ardForum reporting good OC from their 6420
April 22, 2007 1:15:27 AM

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why buy the E4300


Because it is the cheapest C2D, and I have no $$
April 22, 2007 1:36:10 AM

the e4400 matches amd performance upto their 2.5ghz brisbanes...thats why i got one...i wanna run mine around 2.5 24/7

hurry up fedex!! gawd!
April 22, 2007 1:38:35 AM

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The E4300 has dropped $30 - again! it went back up now back down

all the QC & C2D are the same price still

Zipzoomfly has the E6600 for 235.00 8O 8)
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?Product...

NewEgg is always slow to drop prices.
why buy the E4300

You want to know why?

Easy, the E4300 IHS is barely glued on and the E6600 IHS is soldered on. Result? I can take off the E4300 IHS with a 20-30x higher probability of success. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
April 22, 2007 1:43:14 AM

IHS?
April 22, 2007 1:43:30 AM

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Uhhh...why does it say your chip is retired?


Because I torture tested my IFCX3200 mobo and it gave out. I was running >2v on NB PLL, NB Core and over 1.6-1.7v on CPU VTT and convert from voltage was 2.3v I think. The NB got hotter than hell.

I figured the board would die... but that is why they made warranties. Replacement on the way, so retired setup not fried setup.

So the board died not the CPU. :wink:
April 22, 2007 1:44:45 AM

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IHS?


Integrated Heat Spreader

it is about 1/8" thick and its the silver thing on top of a processor. It accounts for at least 2/3 the weight of a proc and increases thermal resistance but protects the core from cracking during installation.
April 22, 2007 1:47:23 AM

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Really don't waste your money on the e4400... If your budget constrains you to that chip save the extra 20 bucs and get the e4300 I have one and I can tell you that it is not FSB limited, like say the e6300...

Clarification,

e4300= 200fsbx9miltiplier
e4400= 200fsbx10multiplier

I can achieve upto 3.2 ghz @ vCORE 1.4 whether the multi is 9x356 or 8x400 fsb makes no difference. So if you are budget limited and only using stock/cheap aftermarket air cooler there is not point in gettting the e4400. I mean the with the 4300 @ fsb333 mem div 1:1 you have a 3ghz c2d and ddr2 667 mem, 4400 @ fsb300 mem div 1:1 same thing 3 ghz c2d and only ddr2 600 mem. To me it seems a no brainer... unless paired with a crappy board that has no oc'n ability I would then bsel mod the e4400 and get the fsb to 266 so you can have 2.66 ghz c2d thats just me tho.

PS my e4300 @ 3.2ghz does 17.1 sec superPI 1m times, not that crappy IMO :twisted:



Well I actually do need the 10X multi and have a good after market cooler so it will not be a waste.

Also I only gave 149.99 for the E4400, not bad for a chip with a 10X multi.

Just out of curiosity, why do you need the 10x multi so much? You say you can get your E6400 up to 3.5GHz, so obviously your RAM + chipset can handle the higher FSB. :?:
April 22, 2007 1:49:51 AM

so are you gonna take the IHS off why?
April 22, 2007 1:53:08 AM

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so are you gonna take the IHS off why?


It significantly lowers thermal resistance across the processor allowing for much cooler temps. Techrepository reports that it can be as much as 12c lower (I believe that is during load). Correspondingly it allows for lower voltages at the same clock speed or higher overall clock speed.

Basically it is for extreme overclockers.
April 22, 2007 2:16:39 AM

so....uhh have you done this? i mean...how do you mount a traditional HSF on the cpu? isn't it naked?

DOES IT VOID THE WARRANTY?! (j/k)
April 22, 2007 2:21:43 AM

Just the same way you'd mount a heat sink on an IHS equipped chip. You'd have to lap the sink though, and throw that AS-5 away and use silicon goop instead...
April 22, 2007 2:22:03 AM

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so....uhh have you done this? i mean...how do you mount a traditional HSF on the cpu? isn't it naked?

DOES IT VOID THE WARRANTY?! (j/k)


Yes I have done it 3 times recently... broken 2 chips (those weren't the E4300). You mount the HSF just as you would if you didn't take the IHS off, kinda. You have to remove the retention plate from the LGA775 socket because if you don't the HSF will never make contact with the core because the core is slightly recessed in comparison to the retention bracket. To mount the HSF you go about it the same way, but you must use 200x more caution because the exposed core is relatively easy to crack.

The biggest risk is when you remove the IHS. You have to work the IHS off and it is very easy to flex the chip and snap an internal connection. When attaching the HSF, if you do it slowly and evenly (say 1 turn of the screw driver on each side) and keep alternating you are more likely to successfully attach the HSF w/o cracking the core.

Huge benefits come with huge risks. As far as I know all the E6XXX series have the IHS soldered on making them F'in hard to get off w/o breaking the chip and rendering it useless.
April 22, 2007 2:23:24 AM

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Just the same way you'd mount a heat sink on an IHS equipped chip. You'd have to lap the sink though, and throw that AS-5 away and use silicon goop instead...


Silicon? really? That I did not know... hmm.

*runs to newegg and orders AS ceramique*
April 22, 2007 2:25:10 AM

Get X23 instead.
April 22, 2007 2:30:44 AM

Will do.

Back to researching cars....
April 22, 2007 3:05:49 AM

Boy I'm glad I live in the Silicon Valley. I got my E4300 for $93.00. with the ECS board for $33.00 and window defogger repair paint for $9.00. I also got a Sapphire 1950 Pro w/512 MB 1600 GDDR3 for $180 and then sold my P4 3.0E, IC7-G, 1 GBGeil memory and Gainward 7800 GS + for well over $500. I still have a gig of Geil UP and a fairly faster computer....you do the math.

edit....oh yeah, wait don't I have to pay almost $4.00 a gallon for gas and a million dollars for a three bedroom two bath house????
April 22, 2007 4:02:32 AM

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why buy the E4300


Why not? over clocked its the best bang for the buck.
I'm glad you think so.(if you like little fireworks) :) 
At $135.00 it is a fine chip even stock but at $235 and lower the E6600 smokes the E4300.
The E6320 or 6420 are also very good overclockers with the 1066 strap.
For a buget system your right on target buying the 4300 but at the 800 FSB strap your not going to be able to keep that core stable for long upward toward 3.6GHz (100% overclock)
I guess it all depends on what you expect out of your investment and if your happy with it then its the best thing going :wink:
April 22, 2007 4:06:30 AM

Hence why I like DFI.... I get to specify the strap making the argument useless (in my case :wink: ).

Nice E6600... what is cooling it?
April 22, 2007 4:08:33 AM

Swiftech custom build
April 22, 2007 4:18:00 AM

Water with the 220 radiator X 4 120mm fans and the storm water block.
of course the ihs is mirror polished to keep things cool
April 22, 2007 4:21:00 AM

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Water with the 220 radiator X 4 120mm fans and the storm water block.
of course the ihs is mirror polished to keep things cool


About what I envisioned.... except I had it at 2x 120mm fans not 4 8)

I am going to get rid of the IHS... so useless (all be it it protects the core from cracking lol). 8O
April 22, 2007 4:25:04 AM

be carefull with removing the ihs.
good for benching but not so good when the pressure applied from the heat sink or waterblock cracks the die :( 
April 22, 2007 4:28:06 AM

Yeah I know, the die is very sensitive, which is why I am trying this on a E4300.

First they are cheap to replace, second their IHS isn't soldered on making the likelihood of success much greater.

Pretty sure the E4300 I have is cracked, if it is I will just replace it. I knew it might happen so I planned for that contingency. I will lap the new E4300 to 1000 grit (if i can find it :? )
April 22, 2007 4:33:12 AM

Take some pics of your project and post them .
that would be a nice contibution if you have sucsess.
if you water cool the die use springs under the nuts to limit the pressure on the die and dont use Artic silver
April 22, 2007 4:38:56 AM

I am going to use a Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme + a 125CFM fan with an air duct from the front of a P182 case to cool it. It should work pretty damn well imo. It won't be terribly quiet but I never wanted it to be. I will have to custom make the duct since you can't buy 120mm ducts (I only found 90mm :(  )

I think there is about a 20% chance my current E4300 (which is IHSless) will work. There is a very minor flex in the PCB board. :?

I don't use AS anymore, I use X23.

Expect results sometime next week around the 30th. I have to wait on the hardware to arrive. My goal is 3.8, after that anything is just gravy.
April 22, 2007 4:44:15 AM

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Expect results sometime next week around the 30th. I have to wait on the hardware to arrive. My goal is 3.8, after that anything is just gravy.

looking forword .
PM me before you post so I dont miss it.
Good luck 8)
April 22, 2007 4:45:28 AM

Thanks. :D 

Will do.

Side note: Thread officially jacked! 8O
April 22, 2007 4:48:07 AM

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Side note: Thread officially jacked! 8O

how about that :lol: 
April 22, 2007 4:52:14 AM

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Side note: Thread officially jacked! 8O

I didn't do a damn thing. ;) 

There you have it.
Jacks fault :lol: 
April 22, 2007 4:53:29 AM

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Side note: Thread officially jacked! 8O

I didn't do a damn thing. ;) 

For once.... :tongue:

Damn it. Time to start my research paper.
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