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April 21, 2007 1:24:03 AM

Greetings,

Since I was 12, I've always had a computer but for the past 6-9 months I've been without. My desktop system then bit the dust at 5 years of age. Now I'm looking to reassert my geekieness with a high performance system budgeted at $4000 (give or take). Below are the spec's I've compiled, but I'd like to hear from those who've been following the tech scene better than I. Am I on par with the current trends in technology or have I overlooked something.... What would you do with $4000.00.

CASE: Lian Li Chassis PC-V1200
PSU: Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W W0132RU
MOBO: Asus Striker Extreme LGA775 nForce 680i
CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
HSF, CPU: Thermalright IFX-14 or Ultra-120 Extreme
MEMORY: Corsair XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
STORAGE: Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB
VIDEO: EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB
DEVICES: Plextor DVD+/-Burner PX-760A
DISPLAY: Samsung 226BW 22" LCD
INPUT DEVICES: Logitech Ergonomic Keyboard & Mouse #967692-0403


Looking forward to seeing other creative compilations...
~Ciphex

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April 21, 2007 1:37:15 AM

I would start with 4 gb of RAM, add Vista Ultimate and start building, 2-3 drives, One for OS and the other 2 for data unless I got a NAS system.
Not real sure about a QUAD yet, and that Mobo is real nice but might not be the best for most things, unless you are going to get dual 8800GTXs and a big Dell monitor. Add some great speakers and the Xfi card, with 7.1 set up.
April 21, 2007 2:04:16 AM

Quote:
Greetings,

Since I was 12, I've always had a computer but for the past 6-9 months I've been without. My desktop system then bit the dust at 5 years of age. Now I'm looking to reassert my geekieness with a high performance system budgeted at $4000 (give or take). Below are the spec's I've compiled, but I'd like to hear from those who've been following the tech scene better than I. Am I on par with the current trends in technology or have I overlooked something.... What would you do with $4000.00.

CASE: Lian Li Chassis PC-V1200
PSU: Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W W0132RU
MOBO: Asus Striker Extreme LGA775 nForce 680i
CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
HSF, CPU: Thermalright IFX-14 or Ultra-120 Extreme
MEMORY: Corsair XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
STORAGE: Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB
VIDEO: EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB
DEVICES: Plextor DVD+/-Burner PX-760A
DISPLAY: Samsung 226BW 22" LCD
INPUT DEVICES: Logitech Ergonomic Keyboard & Mouse #967692-0403


Looking forward to seeing other creative compilations...
~Ciphex



Alright, let me see if I can give it a go:


Ill just use your case, since you picked it out. Must mean you like it. :wink:

Silverstone Strider 1000w
Asus Striker Extreme
QX6800 - After price drops
Swiftech Custom watercooling system, with TEC accessories
Sceptre 42' 1080p LCD TV - Supports 1900x1200 resolution
GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory -x2 = 4GB
X-fi Xtrememusic
Vista Ultimate
3 150GB Raptor Harddrives
2 500GB Seagate Barracudas - RAID0
2x8800GTX SLi - Watercooled of course.

That should make a nice computer.
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April 21, 2007 2:04:30 AM

Actually, I would spend $2000 of that and make a nice computer, and put the other $2000 in the bank to earn interest for my future comp. :D 

Though, if I really had $4000 burning a hole in my pocket, I would wait for this summer. There should be some sweet offerings from AMD, ATI, Intel, and nVidia this summer.
April 21, 2007 2:23:25 AM

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April 21, 2007 2:24:19 AM

Quote:
Greetings,

Since I was 12, I've always had a computer but for the past 6-9 months I've been without. My desktop system then bit the dust at 5 years of age. Now I'm looking to reassert my geekieness with a high performance system budgeted at $4000 (give or take). Below are the spec's I've compiled, but I'd like to hear from those who've been following the tech scene better than I. Am I on par with the current trends in technology or have I overlooked something.... What would you do with $4000.00.

CASE: Lian Li Chassis PC-V1200
PSU: Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W W0132RU
MOBO: Asus Striker Extreme LGA775 nForce 680i
CPU: Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
HSF, CPU: Thermalright IFX-14 or Ultra-120 Extreme
MEMORY: Corsair XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
STORAGE: Western Digital Caviar SE16 500GB
VIDEO: EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB
DEVICES: Plextor DVD+/-Burner PX-760A
DISPLAY: Samsung 226BW 22" LCD
INPUT DEVICES: Logitech Ergonomic Keyboard & Mouse #967692-0403


Looking forward to seeing other creative compilations...
~Ciphex



Alright, let me see if I can give it a go:


Ill just use your case, since you picked it out. Must mean you like it. :wink:

Silverstone Strider 1000w
Asus Striker Extreme
QX6800 - After price drops
Swiftech Custom watercooling system, with TEC accessories
Sceptre 42' 1080p LCD TV - Supports 1900x1200 resolution
GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory -x2 = 4GB
X-fi Xtrememusic
Vista Ultimate
3 150GB Raptor Harddrives
2 500GB Seagate Barracudas - RAID0

2x8800GTX SLi - Watercooled of course.

That should make a nice computer.

Ok, Firstly, the PSU, no need for one that big, a 850W toughpower or a 750 PP&C would easily handle it, Secondly, the QX6800 is NOT retail and won't ever be, Thirdly, if you are using 3 raptors for performance why have the seagates in raid 0?, and finally, wait to see when the r600 is like, even if it doesn't totally beat the 8800GTX, it will still be cheaper.
April 21, 2007 2:42:56 AM

Ok, First off on the Powersupply

1. Its futureproof. Provides the 8-pin PCI-E connectors.

2. I had only heard about the QX6800. Even so, the QX6700 or Q6600 is fine.

3. Three raptors for games and such, and raid on the two 500's for storage such as movies, or other large applications. Raid for backup, why take the chance of loosing it all? Not to mention with the 42' monitor, this could second as a HTPC.

4. I'm only going by what is on the market today. This person may want to buy tomorrow for all we know. Plus, who Knows when R600 is going to be released. It's being pushed back even more when comes to its *predicted* release date.

And warezme has a good example. Use his as your backbone on ideas.
April 21, 2007 3:00:11 AM

A cabin?
April 21, 2007 3:34:50 AM

Four things I knew would be in the first list of parts without even reading his post:
1) ASUS Striker Extreme
2) Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
3) Corsair 8500
4) 1kW PSU

Get an eVGA 680i motherboard.
Get 2GB of the CAS3 DDR2 800 Dominator.
Get an Enermax Galaxy.
April 21, 2007 3:37:37 AM

Quote:


Raid for backup, why take the chance of loosing it all?


Raid 1 must be what you're thinking of.
Raid 0 = striping aka performance
Raid 1 = mirroring aka makes a copy of the data on 2 or more disks
April 21, 2007 5:34:13 AM

If you need to spend $4000 to "reassert your geekieness", then you are not a geek. Never will be...
April 21, 2007 6:38:09 AM

30" LCD and 8800 GTX SLI for sure. :)  680i SLI motherboard, 2GB ram, E6600 or higher, a few Raptors in RAID0.
April 21, 2007 12:47:48 PM

Quote:
If you need to spend $4000 to "reassert your geekieness", then you are not a geek. Never will be...


Hahahaha! If I had room in my sig I would quote you.
April 21, 2007 12:51:39 PM

Silverstone Strider 1000w
Asus Striker Extreme
QX6800 - After price drops
Swiftech Custom watercooling system, with TEC accessories
Sceptre 42' 1080p LCD TV - Supports 1900x1200 resolution
GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory -x2 = 4GB
X-fi Xtrememusic
Vista Ultimate
3 150GB Raptor Harddrives
2 500GB Seagate Barracudas - RAID0
2x8800GTX SLi - Watercooled of course.


The QX6800 will not only not be included in price drops, but it will not be available to the average consumer unless you purchase a computer through a botique dealer such as Alienware, Falcon North West, Voodoo, etc.

GeIL? A $4000 budget and you say GeIL?

Xtreme Music? A $4000 budget and you say Xtreme Music?

Silverstone Strider? What about one of the two best PSUs available? Namely the Galaxy and Turbo Cool 1kW.
April 21, 2007 6:21:13 PM

I took the time to do some research and I understand where everyone is coming from. I've tried to take the best recommendations plus a couple new ideas to come up with the following:

Quick run down...

The P5N32-E appears to be the less savvy Asus Striker Extreme minus a few eSATA outlets and the LCD Post screen and might be a good compromise between performance and price. The EVGA 680i looks every bit as attractive. Anyone have any comments as to why one might be preferable to the other?

I went to Anandtech and they have a wonderful article that compares the Intel Core 2 Duo versus the Core 2 Duo Extreme and the data seems to suggest that more can be milked from the E6600 at a more affordable rate than the performance advantage inherent to the Extreme series. So I'm considering a more conservative CPU purchase to augment my cooling system along with more memory and possibly another GeForce 8800 GTX.
[Reference: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=279...]

Displays... I'm not sure which display will best compliment this setup. I do enjoy gaming (one of my favorite past-times) but I also like to be productive (AutoCAD, 3DSMax, Office, PHP, VMachines...etc.). I don't know how these large format displays handle under these conditions and I have mixed feelings about displays that double as computer monitors as opposed to those dedicated to the purpose. I would love to build a system that performs equally well as a HTPC as it does a gaming and applications platform.

What would you pick?
And if you own one, what do you think of it...

a) Samsung 22" 226BW ~$320
b) Samsung 24" 244T-BK ~$680
c) Samsung 30" 305T ~$1400.00
d) WestingHouse 37" LVM-42W2 $1000
e) WestingHouse 42" LVM-37W3 $1300
PS> How does SCEPTRE compare to WestingHouse? WH looks like they have a better track record judging by buyer reviews...

New Spec's
Lian Li PC-V1200BplusII
Enermax Galaxy 1kW
MOBO - Undecided:
---(a) Asus P5N32-E 680i SLI
---(b) EVGA 680i SLI
CPU - Undecided:
---(a) Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700
---(b) Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (OC'd)
HSF/COOLING - Undecided:
---(a) Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme
---(b) Liquid Cooling Kit (suggestions?)
Corsair XMS2 Dominator TWIN2x2048-8500C5DF 4GB
WD Raptor X (System)
WD Caviar SE16 (Add. Storage)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB SLI x2
BURNER - Undecided:
---(a) Plextor DVD+/-Burner PX-760A
---(b) Pioneer DVR-212D DVD/CD Writer


~Ciphex
April 21, 2007 8:13:23 PM

Quote:
Silverstone Strider 1000w
Asus Striker Extreme
QX6800 - After price drops
Swiftech Custom watercooling system, with TEC accessories
Sceptre 42' 1080p LCD TV - Supports 1900x1200 resolution
GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory -x2 = 4GB
X-fi Xtrememusic
Vista Ultimate
3 150GB Raptor Harddrives
2 500GB Seagate Barracudas - RAID0
2x8800GTX SLi - Watercooled of course.


The QX6800 will not only not be included in price drops, but it will not be available to the average consumer unless you purchase a computer through a botique dealer such as Alienware, Falcon North West, Voodoo, etc.

GeIL? A $4000 budget and you say GeIL?

Xtreme Music? A $4000 budget and you say Xtreme Music?

Silverstone Strider? What about one of the two best PSUs available? Namely the Galaxy and Turbo Cool 1kW.


Guess you did not read the post I made after I made the list.

QX6700
Strider 1000w - supports 2 8-pin PCI-E connector, and is shorter in length than the Galaxy DXX. Not to mention, the strider boasts combined 70A.
I don't see the point in dumping 610.00 on the most expensive corsair ram when the Geil could do the same stuff.
And Xtrememusic because their is no difference between that one and the Elite. Just a faceplate thats added to the cost.

Maybe he doesn't want to spend all 4000 on the computer. Could put some aside for upgrades in the near future.

And yes, RAID1. Typo. :oops: 
April 21, 2007 8:34:01 PM

To be honest, I would gold-plate a toilet. It's a dream of mine, that I shall one day achieve.
April 21, 2007 8:47:16 PM

EnforcerFX,

Thanks for reiterating that, I guess it didn't resonate with me the first time I read it. I was just reading anadtech's line up review of the core 2 duo, extreme, and quad core series. The QX6700 does look ideal, but I can round the system out better if I go with the E6600 and then augment the cooling system, double up the GeForce 8800s and fill the memory out to 4GB. When the cost of Quad-Core cpu's drops, I'll be right there to capitalize.

Let me see if I understand your position properly. The Silverstone Strider 1000w boasts more watts and amperage across its two rails than the combined 5 on the Galaxy enabling it to use a smaller form factor. I can dig that-- Silverstone Strider 1kW it is!

That memory looks every bit as good as the corsair despite the fan and fins and for $300 less, that's an incredible deal. Thank you for the heads up.

Don't know a thing about sound cards these days, so I'll take you on your word. Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeMusic it is.

Tell me, where do you stand on the comparative differences between the EVGA 680i SLI and Asus Striker Extreme?

--- UPDATED PARTS LIST ------------------------------------------------
Lian Li PC-V1200BplusII
Silverstone Strider 1000W
Mobo - Undecided:
---(a) Asus P5N32-E (or Striker Extreme)
---(b) EVGA 680i SLI
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (OC'd)
HSF/Cooling - Undecided:
---(a) ThermalRight IFX-14
---(b) ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme
---(c) Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultra WaterCooling Kit
GeIL 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
WD Raptor X 150GB (System)
WD Caviar SE 16 500GB (Storage)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB SLI x2
Optical - Undecided:
---(a) Plextor DVD+/-Burner PX-760A
---(b) Pioneer DVR-212D DVD/CD Writer
Displays - Undecided:
---(a) WestingHouse 37"/42" 1080p
---(b) Spectre 37"/42" 1080p
---(c) Samsung 22" / 24" / 30"
April 21, 2007 9:02:08 PM

I would go with the EVGA T1 Board. Instead of the over priced striker. Look here.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My new build is the following.

Case Thermaltake Armor Series VA8003BWS Black Full Tower Case w/ 25CM Fan
EVGA T1 MOBO
QX6700
Silver Stone 750W power supply
EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB
Swiftech H20-220 Watercooling set
2gig Mushkin PC28000
Lite-On 20X SATA DVD Burner
2- 150gig Raptor Hard drives
LCD 30" Dell.

Just ordered my QX6700 chip today. Then I will build next week!!!!
a c 84 B Homebuilt system
April 21, 2007 9:14:28 PM

I have two Samsung 244T 24" monitors, and feel that they are the best(albeit expensive) upgrades I hace ever made to my computer. If there is a future-proof technology purchase, they are it.
April 21, 2007 9:20:01 PM

How do you like your Dominator RAM? I am having mixed feelings about it.
April 21, 2007 10:56:44 PM

Quote:
EnforcerFX,

Thanks for reiterating that, I guess it didn't resonate with me the first time I read it. I was just reading anadtech's line up review of the core 2 duo, extreme, and quad core series. The QX6700 does look ideal, but I can round the system out better if I go with the E6600 and then augment the cooling system, double up the GeForce 8800s and fill the memory out to 4GB. When the cost of Quad-Core cpu's drops, I'll be right there to capitalize.

Let me see if I understand your position properly. The Silverstone Strider 1000w boasts more watts and amperage across its two rails than the combined 5 on the Galaxy enabling it to use a smaller form factor. I can dig that-- Silverstone Strider 1kW it is!

That memory looks every bit as good as the corsair despite the fan and fins and for $300 less, that's an incredible deal. Thank you for the heads up.

Don't know a thing about sound cards these days, so I'll take you on your word. Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeMusic it is.

Tell me, where do you stand on the comparative differences between the EVGA 680i SLI and Asus Striker Extreme?

--- UPDATED PARTS LIST ------------------------------------------------
Lian Li PC-V1200BplusII
Silverstone Strider 1000W
Mobo - Undecided:
---(a) Asus P5N32-E (or Striker Extreme)
---(b) EVGA 680i SLI
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (OC'd)
HSF/Cooling - Undecided:
---(a) ThermalRight IFX-14
---(b) ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme
---(c) Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultra WaterCooling Kit
GeIL 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
WD Raptor X 150GB (System)
WD Caviar SE 16 500GB (Storage)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB SLI x2
Optical - Undecided:
---(a) Plextor DVD+/-Burner PX-760A
---(b) Pioneer DVR-212D DVD/CD Writer
Displays - Undecided:
---(a) WestingHouse 37"/42" 1080p
---(b) Spectre 37"/42" 1080p
---(c) Samsung 22" / 24" / 30"



I know the 680i SLi Evga board has had a lot of pros and cons, not much stuck with it whether or not it was a good product. The striker boasts a higher upgrade path, with processors that support 1333mhz FSB. The striker extreme is also based of off the nvidia 680i boards, or so it says on newegg. It also some kind of fancy soundcard, but it has 3 PCI-E slots, and 2 PCI slots.

The T1 board like speed4life suggested is also a good choice as well. Its the 2nd round of 680i boards from Evga that have I guess, done better then the 1st generation ones. Little cheaper, and boasts the same stuff except the 1333mhz FSB upgrade path.

I see your idea on the E6600, and it sounds really good to be honest. In Q3, I believe its the Q6600 that will drop to about 530.00 roughly. On the issue of the 8800s, you could always consider 2 8900GTX's, whenever they debut, hopefully soon.

The X-Fi Xtrememusic sound card is a good choice.

The GeiL is better personally, performs well, and the price is too hard to pass up in my opinion. Your going to want two 2GB packs, = 4GB.

I would say also with the OS, Either XP now, or Vista Ultimate. Either one is going to offer game performance. The other Vista options, not so much from what I've heard/seen. Their also sometimes a hassle to install too.

And that Sceptre 42' TV is ideally good, better than the 30' Dell LCD mostly because of the response time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Overall man, A top of the line list you've got here. Hope it works out well for you.


Good luck. :D 
April 21, 2007 11:16:49 PM

Dual amd quad-core is in a 4x4 set when they come out 2 high end video in sli or cross fire.
SAS hardware raid card with ram, high end sound card.
8GB of system ram.
April 21, 2007 11:24:51 PM

Quote:
A cabin?


LOL.. Fix up my car?? house?? my boat!!! I would never spend more that 2000 on a comp.. and even that is a little rich for my blood...
April 22, 2007 4:55:23 AM

Quote:
EnforcerFX,

Thanks for reiterating that, I guess it didn't resonate with me the first time I read it. I was just reading anadtech's line up review of the core 2 duo, extreme, and quad core series. The QX6700 does look ideal, but I can round the system out better if I go with the E6600 and then augment the cooling system, double up the GeForce 8800s and fill the memory out to 4GB. When the cost of Quad-Core cpu's drops, I'll be right there to capitalize.

Let me see if I understand your position properly. The Silverstone Strider 1000w boasts more watts and amperage across its two rails than the combined 5 on the Galaxy enabling it to use a smaller form factor. I can dig that-- Silverstone Strider 1kW it is!

That memory looks every bit as good as the corsair despite the fan and fins and for $300 less, that's an incredible deal. Thank you for the heads up.

Don't know a thing about sound cards these days, so I'll take you on your word. Creative Labs X-Fi XtremeMusic it is.

Tell me, where do you stand on the comparative differences between the EVGA 680i SLI and Asus Striker Extreme?

--- UPDATED PARTS LIST ------------------------------------------------
Lian Li PC-V1200BplusII
Silverstone Strider 1000W
Mobo - Undecided:
---(a) Asus P5N32-E (or Striker Extreme)
---(b) EVGA 680i SLI
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 (OC'd)
HSF/Cooling - Undecided:
---(a) ThermalRight IFX-14
---(b) ThermalRight Ultra-120 Extreme
---(c) Swiftech H20-220 Apex Ultra WaterCooling Kit
GeIL 4GB (4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000)
WD Raptor X 150GB (System)
WD Caviar SE 16 500GB (Storage)
EVGA GeForce 8800GTX 768MB SLI x2
Optical - Undecided:
---(a) Plextor DVD+/-Burner PX-760A
---(b) Pioneer DVR-212D DVD/CD Writer
Displays - Undecided:
---(a) WestingHouse 37"/42" 1080p
---(b) Spectre 37"/42" 1080p
---(c) Samsung 22" / 24" / 30"



I know the 680i SLi Evga board has had a lot of pros and cons, not much stuck with it whether or not it was a good product. The striker boasts a higher upgrade path, with processors that support 1333mhz FSB. The striker extreme is also based of off the nvidia 680i boards, or so it says on newegg. It also some kind of fancy soundcard, but it has 3 PCI-E slots, and 2 PCI slots.

The T1 board like speed4life suggested is also a good choice as well. Its the 2nd round of 680i boards from Evga that have I guess, done better then the 1st generation ones. Little cheaper, and boasts the same stuff except the 1333mhz FSB upgrade path.

I see your idea on the E6600, and it sounds really good to be honest. In Q3, I believe its the Q6600 that will drop to about 530.00 roughly. On the issue of the 8800s, you could always consider 2 8900GTX's, whenever they debut, hopefully soon.

The X-Fi Xtrememusic sound card is a good choice.

The GeiL is better personally, performs well, and the price is too hard to pass up in my opinion. Your going to want two 2GB packs, = 4GB.

I would say also with the OS, Either XP now, or Vista Ultimate. Either one is going to offer game performance. The other Vista options, not so much from what I've heard/seen. Their also sometimes a hassle to install too.

And that Sceptre 42' TV is ideally good, better than the 30' Dell LCD mostly because of the response time.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Overall man, A top of the line list you've got here. Hope it works out well for you.


Good luck. :D 

I believe you are mistaken... the EVGA 680i t1 board is a stripped down version of the a1 board's package... the a1 board being the newest version. Therefore yes it does allow 1333mhz quad core upgrades.... it's the tr and ar versions that were the first batch.

Btw i apologize for the large quote.
April 22, 2007 1:47:21 PM

Ah, ok. That makes better sense then. If you want to save some money, then go with the A1 board. Seems it performs the same, and is cheaper in the long run.
April 22, 2007 2:18:22 PM

If I had $4000 to drop on a computer, I'd build myself a very nice dual Opteron workstation. I'd put plenty of hard drives inside in a big RAID 5 setup and be happy :D 
a b B Homebuilt system
April 22, 2007 2:56:49 PM

You can find a pretty nice used Yamaha V-Star around for about $4000.
April 22, 2007 3:03:14 PM

AMD 4x4 beats the Intel Quad in almost every single benchmark. Plus you have an upgrade path two 2 native quads. ASUS makes the only 4x4 board as of yet I think. But that is what I would get without a doubt.
April 22, 2007 3:41:43 PM

Theres actually 2 boards that support Socket F. Both are Asus models.
April 22, 2007 3:55:22 PM

If you wanted to go the 4x4 route

ASUS L1N64-SLI WS Dual Socket L (Socket 1207FX) $346

AMD Athlon 64 FX-74 Windsor 3.0GHz Socket F (1207 FX) $429
AMD Athlon 64 FX-74 Windsor 3.0GHz Socket F (1207 FX) $429

CORSAIR Dominator 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 3-8-3-9 $439.00

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite 7.1 Channels $219

EVGA 8800GTX 768MB Superclocked HDCP $599
EVGA 8800GTX 768MB Superclocked HDCP $599

Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFDRTL 150GB $259
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFDRTL 150GB $259

PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 1KW-SR EPS12V 1000W $559

Id Recommend the Antec P182SE $229

April 23, 2007 6:49:07 AM

4 grand? could I talk you into a little more? build this:

Mainboard: Asus P5N32-E SLI, $200
CPU: Intel E6400 (2.13 ghz) $200
Memory: x2 Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 2gb $560 (BL2KIT12864AA804)
Optical: x2 Plextor Slot loading DVD burner (PX-716AL) $360
Video: eVGA GeForce 8800 $550
RAID: 3ware 8 port SATA controller (9650SE-8LPML) $490
Storage: x2 Gigabyte RAMdisk (formally I-Ram) $300
x8 Kingston DDR 400 1gb (KVR400D2N31G) $500
x3 Western Digital 36 gb Raptor (WD360ADFD) $300
x3 Western Digital 500gb Caviar (WD5000AAKS) $260

Thats a grand total of $3720 so far, prices accurate as of this writing. You still need a case, power supply, OS, keyboard, mouse, and monitor...

The I-Ram is a solid state drive using DDR 400 memory modules instead of rotating media or flash ram, complete with battery backup. They have been benchmarked at 125 megabytes/second sustained. A pair of them will stripe into aroun 250 megabytes/second, with a seek time of 0.125 milliseconds, approximately. Use it only for the windows pagefile and select software installs, and back it up, cause without power, it loses data.

The Raptors I would stripe and run windows off of them, along with some software. Speedwise, three of them match the I-Ram array, but with a much slower seek time, by comparison.

The Caviars are for storage, and I would mirror those with a single online spare, to protect data. If you wanted to take a performance hit and double your storage, run the three drives in a RAID 5... no online spare, tho. Mirrored with an online spare, capacity is 500gb. RAID 5, no spare gets you 1000gb.

Dont skip the controller card, onboard SATA uses the CPU for its processing and chews up performance- the 3ware card is true hardware RAID. Well worth the extra five bills.

The CPU in this design is nothing special- sufficient, but not a powerhouse. There is a reason for this- In three or four years, this is still respectable hardware, likely. By then what is this year a killer quad core intel CPU will cost peanuts, and if you combine that with a video card upgrade, it'll feel like a whole new $4000+ computer. I dont see the point in wasting ridiculous ammounts of money picking up 10% in overall performance, personally. I tend to put that money in other places that get me more horsepower I can actually feel, myself. By the time you wear out the hard drive system in this box, completely solid state flash drives should be within grasp of the enthusiast users like us.

If you build this box, I want a picture :D 

Have fun....

Regards,
Scott
April 23, 2007 11:09:08 AM

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4 grand? could I talk you into a little more? build this:

Mainboard: Asus P5N32-E SLI, $200
CPU: Intel E6400 (2.13 ghz) $200
Memory: x2 Crucial Ballistix DDR2 800 2gb $560 (BL2KIT12864AA804)
Optical: x2 Plextor Slot loading DVD burner (PX-716AL) $360
Video: eVGA GeForce 8800 $550
RAID: 3ware 8 port SATA controller (9650SE-8LPML) $490
Storage: x2 Gigabyte RAMdisk (formally I-Ram) $300
x8 Kingston DDR 400 1gb (KVR400D2N31G) $500
x3 Western Digital 36 gb Raptor (WD360ADFD) $300
x3 Western Digital 500gb Caviar (WD5000AAKS) $260


Your joking, right? Why would he use the RAM Disk for storage? That isn probably the dumbest thing I have heard in the last 5 minutes. If that battery goes bad, he is 100% screwed. RAM needs a constant current to maintain the data unlike Flash which is a solid state memory. If that battery dies and the RAM has no current, he loses every single thing that was on it. However, if you put games on it that would be ballin'!
April 24, 2007 2:05:19 AM

To the previous poster:

Can you read?

The I-Ram is a solid state drive using DDR 400 memory modules instead of rotating media or flash ram, complete with battery backup. They have been benchmarked at 125 megabytes/second sustained. A pair of them will stripe into aroun 250 megabytes/second, with a seek time of 0.125 milliseconds, approximately. Use it only for the windows pagefile and select software installs, and back it up, cause without power, it loses data.

Correct me if Im wrong, but did I not say 'only for pagefile and select software installs?'

Duh.

Scott
April 24, 2007 2:08:08 AM

To the previous poster:

Oh, I see. You read the first part and made assumptions. I was refering to the whole disk system as 'storage', duh.

If you look further down in the post, you'll notice that I patiently explained everything you just did.

If you want to be critical (clearly you do) then please take the time to read the WHOLE POST, moron.

Scott
April 24, 2007 2:20:55 AM

Quote:
To the previous poster:

Can you read?

The I-Ram is a solid state drive using DDR 400 memory modules instead of rotating media or flash ram, complete with battery backup. They have been benchmarked at 125 megabytes/second sustained. A pair of them will stripe into aroun 250 megabytes/second, with a seek time of 0.125 milliseconds, approximately. Use it only for the windows pagefile and select software installs, and back it up, cause without power, it loses data.

Correct me if Im wrong, but did I not say 'only for pagefile and select software installs?'

Duh.

Scott


Random Access Memory is definately NOT a solid state memory.
April 24, 2007 2:56:19 AM

Solid state == semiconductor. RAM is solid-state and hard drives are not. I think you were thinking "non-volatile" such as the current EEPROM hard drives that are commonly referred to as solid-state drives. Both the EEPROM units and RAM drives are solid-state, but EEPROM is non-volatile and RAM is not.
April 24, 2007 3:02:31 AM

Yes, that was the description I was looking for. Thank you.
April 24, 2007 3:32:23 AM

OK here is what I'd say...

XClio Windtunnel Black
PCP&C Silencer 610 EPS12V 610watt PSU (+3.3@24A,+5V@30A,+12V@49A (Large Single Rail),-12V@0.8A,+5VSB@3.0A)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 OC'd
Asus P5N32-E SLI Plus motherboard (or the EVGA previously recommended)
(insert brand here) GeForce 8800GTX (only one if you're not using a 27"-30" LCD, two if you are using a 27"-30" LCD)
Western Digital Raptor (WD740ADFD) 74GB Hard Drive, OEM (these have a 100+ year MTBF, don't even worry about RAID1'ing em. They generally don't fail; its a huge defect if they do that would be unavoidable)
Three Western Digital Caviar SE16 (WD5000AAKS), 500GB, OEM (run them in software RAID5; data security for 1TB)
Wintec AMPX 4GB(2x2GB) DDR2 800, 5-5-5-15, 1.9V
2 x Sony AWG170S-B2, SATA DVD Burner, OEM
NEC Black 3.5" Floppy Drive, OEM (Because you never know when you'll need to flash a BIOS or install RAID drivers!)
Linkskey LKA-CR15B 19-in-1 Media Card Reader
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-bit) OEM
Vigor Gaming CLT-M2LI 92mm Thermal-Electric CPU Cooler for Intel, without control panel



That entire setup comes out to be $2512.86. Shipping (estimated; put in my own zipcode) is about $45.47. Total is $2558.32.

Some little notes;
1) The case I recommended has basically the best air cooling in the market.
2) Do you really need a kilowatt of power? That PSU should be more-than-sufficient for most high-end setups.
3) The motherboard is a hybrid engineered by Asus; nForce 650i northbridge from an AMD (full-featured with 16x-16x-8x for PCIe, versus normal 16x/8x-8x). It shows incredible stability
4) You could always go SLI, or use a less-expensive GeForce 8800GTS instead of GTX is you don't do stuff at extreme resolutions.
5) Why spend $600 on RAM when you can get basically the same stuff for half that price?
6) An awesome thermal-electric cooler.
April 24, 2007 4:23:08 AM

If I had that kind of money, I would spend $600 on a computer with E4300 2GB RAM, 7600GT, and stuffs, overclock the hell out of it, which I've done in many occasions, successfully hit 3.2GHz to 3.7GHz, of the 4 attempts on E4300/E4400 that I've messed with.

Then $400, go to Casino try my luck.

$3000, down payment for a Subaru Impreza STI, and pay $850 a month for the next 3 years till I own it.

That sounds like a great deal?
April 24, 2007 4:47:28 AM

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To be honest, I would gold-plate a toilet. It's a dream of mine, that I shall one day achieve.




It's not gold plated, but it's the best I could find.

A bargain at $9,700,000.
April 24, 2007 7:54:08 AM

Quote:


It's not gold plated, but it's the best I could find.

A bargain at $9,700,000.


LMFAO
April 24, 2007 11:26:20 AM

Software RAID 5 has a serious performance disadvantage from full hardware RAID. However, most motherboard RAID controllers are "retarded RAID". They are the inbread son of the two cousins hardware and software RAID. So, I would say just use the onboard controller. And two GTXs really does make a difference even on smaller monitors. You can get that extra edge out of 'em so if you can afford them, do it. eVGA is the only person to buy vid cards from. Their warranty and customer service is incredible! The RAMDisk is actually very intruging. I would definatly get one and either put your swap and temp files on it or games just to try it out. I think that covers my two cents for now. Be back later! 8)
April 24, 2007 12:40:55 PM

A 401K and an actual savings account!
April 24, 2007 10:13:37 PM

Speed4life,

The EVGA 680i SLI does look attractive and I don't think it differs much, if any, from the Striker XE spec-wise. Asus' Striker XE is going for $339.00 right now over at newegg versus $224.99 for the EVGA A1 and $189.99 for the T1. The T1 differs only in packaging right, and is otherwise identical...? I'm real tempted to save myself $160 with EVGA's T1.

What do you think of your Lite-On SATA drive? Are ya feel'n the SATA advantage?


geofelt,

The Samsung 244T's (24") look beautiful but I have a hard time substantiating them at $600 when the 226BW (22") is only $300. How does the response time feel on those 244T's when your gaming? I've not had the luxury before for such a setup -- how do they feel? How do you organize your stuff?

I'm tempted to conserve on the display system in anticipation of a Samsung 1080p 40" LCD screen. It represents an ideal for my home theatre. I've heard many boast about the 1080p's capacity as a substitute computer display and although I haven't witnessed it, it sounds like a reasonable feat for the 1080p series of LCDs. Any of you out there have any input on the use of large format displays as their primary computer display system? The Sceptre and Westinghouse 1080p LCDs going for $1000 look like real bargains, but I struggle to believe I would be satisfied with their quality. Samsung sooo nice...


EnforcerFX,

The Striker XE is a more attractive board and represents my ideal, but the $160 difference might be better spent invested elsewhere.

Have you had the opportunity to view or study up on the Sceptre 42"? It sounds good, too good, and its so abnormally cheap.


Joe_The_Dragon,

Props to you for being the first to propose an AMD based system. To be honest though, I haven't even considered the idea. I got caught up in the whirlwind of dual and quad core setups along with 45nm technology on the horizon. I really should be more objective though and go read me some AMD reviews. Are you currently running an AMD system now?

Fender22,

Its not just my computer, its also the heart of my home theatre system. It represents my attempt to consolidate all the superfluous electronics in my house to an elegant 40" display with a 22" sidekick and HTPC that has the horsepower to satisfy any demand either for productivity's sakes or entertainment.

MU_Engineer,

Another AMD supporter! Are you running an AMD system currently? Aren't there limitations about the use of multiple cpu's in a SMP system and software compatibility?

Proof,

I'll have to look into the AMD 4x4, but this computer will likely be intel driven.

karlb,

Are you running an AMD system currently? What are the specs, if so...?

Hunter_Green32,

Thank you for stopping by. Your proposal is intriguing and I appreciate the creativity and included prices. This I-Ram stuff, albeit a bit eccentric, is very interesting stuff.

I agree WD's Raptor X is the only way to go for the primary storage array, and WD's Caviar SE16 for auxillary storage.

The SATA controller card is an interesting proposition, but its an investment I'd rather put off until I pickup a few more Caviar SE16 500GB drives. The I-Ram concept might provide for the kind of clearance to reduce the impact of SATA traffic on the overall availability of system resources.

I'm in complete agreement with your last comment regarding a more conservative CPU purchase in anticipation of falling quad-core prices.

I thought your motherboard recommendation rather interesting. What's your rational behind the Asus P5N32-E SLI or the Striker's little brother? I'm inclined to go with the EVGA A1 or T1 and use the money saved to splurge in other categories, but the P5N32-E is equally as attractive.

Soon as I finalize the specs on this system, I will order the parts and do a full spread of her ;) 

SupremeLaw,

Thank you for stopping by and contributing on the matter of solid-state storage. Your software recommendations are an exciting alternative to the I-Ram hardware. This computer will probably host 4GB of DDR2-1000. What percentage of that would you reserve for RamDisk/SuperCacheII ?

That quad-core you described sounds and looks like one hell of a system. Do you have benchmarks posted somewhere on the described system?

WiZ83,

Its good to hear another overclocker's success story. I intend on purchasing a water cooling system for this system. What have you used are are using?

I was looking at Koolance's integrated or external EXOS radiator along with their CPU-330 Block and a pair of VID-280 (8800 GTX) Blocks. The RAM-30-V06 looks killer, but I'm uncertain how many of the components in this system will really benefit from a water block. Opinions?

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April 24, 2007 10:28:36 PM

For the motherboard, whatever you feel comfortable with, go for it. Either way your going to get good performance from either one of the two motherboards.

Now with the Sceptre, I've seen other E-tailers, and even Costco retail this model for a hell of a lot more. Costco retails it for 1600, and on Amazon, I see it at the 2nd lowest for around 1200-1300. Overall though, it looks remarkable, and that is what I hope to get someday. Just don't forget to buy the warranty, it would be definitely worth it.


Good luck. :D 
April 25, 2007 3:01:58 PM

the 4x4 system has more cpu to chip set bandwidth and It may have faster SLI then a intel system.
With 2 x16 video cards and a pci-e raid card + other cards having each part of the chipset have it's own link to the cpu is better.
don't get the WD Raptor X get a Raptor that is not the X one or a SAS HD .

You can get a dual Opteron system and use up to 8 ddr2-ecc slots
4x4 for now only has 4 slots. But there are dual Opteron MB with on board SAS Hardware raid. DDR-2 ECC is a lot better then FB-DIMMS.

amd quad-core are due soon as well newer intel cpus so now is not the time to buy.

get the X-Fi XtremeMusic or better the Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum. is the same with the X-Fi I/O Drive

the XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series, X-Fi Elite Pro, and the Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Boost performance even further in games with X-RAM support
April 25, 2007 5:41:55 PM

Joe_The_Dragon,

Now is not the time to buy?!?!?!

Hell I was looking to build this beast by mid-May, just a couple weeks out from now. You think there's more to be gained by waiting...? When is this new technology slated for debut?
April 25, 2007 5:48:31 PM

do they? I wonder if there are independent benchmarks out there of high end systems with an xfi xram vs non-xram model (xtrememusic vs fatal1ty). would be interesting, as I find myself very skeptical. I did see one person on this forum having problems who formatted his pc and did not install a soundcard afterwards to troubleshoot, and the benchmark difference was so marginal it may have been just due to the format. The packaging is very convincing, but that's just marketing. :) 

on another note, I'd love to see benchmarks of raptor hard drives only, vs that ramdisk/supercache software. it sounds pretty interesting indeed.
April 25, 2007 5:51:23 PM

Anyone seen any HTPC Chassis out there that bare resemblance to the two featured below? These are the best looking HTPC chassis I can find.

Silverstone LC18 HTPC Chassis


Zalman HD160XT
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