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April 22, 2007 4:35:37 AM

As I have been noticing more and more people join to ask someone to rate their build and then dissapear and never post again, I have become increasingly annoyed. Here at Tom's Hardware we, as a community, strive to provide people with the information that we have learned through our respective travels. However, those of us who do contribute expect the same in return. For that reason I would like to suggest that anyone with under 50 posts that starts a "Rate my Build" thread, will not recieve a response.

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April 22, 2007 5:15:02 AM

lol, interesting idea :p 
April 22, 2007 5:33:01 AM

Don't let it bug you.
Besides, fewer useful/correct posts are better than more of the opposite.
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April 22, 2007 5:37:36 AM

We should not answer people who call beginners N00Bs before they get a chance to ask question and attempt to learn something
April 22, 2007 6:08:53 AM

Speaking as a noob I say this. Would you rather that we spread our uninformed opinions around for 50 posts each before we get to what we really want? Which is advice from the pros...

I originally posted a topic here for the reasons you speak of, because I wanted advice to make sure I wasn't overlooking some huge mistake before I actually buy the components I've picked. Some gave some feedback about my choices which I appreciate, but I will definitely continue to "lurk" because I'm still learning. :wink:
April 22, 2007 6:45:54 AM

I actually signed up not to long ago, i don't post much.. once and a while, mostly here to learn, aka i read these forums constantly. I don't feel the need to put in my 2 cents about a build when I'm not even that good at building myself, But i do enjoy seeing and reading the new builds along with the responses from more intelligent builders even if they are one time posters asking for some suggestions.
April 22, 2007 7:38:09 AM

Does it harm you if you help others? Ya my post count is low and you may not give a damn about me but everyone starts out being new in something.
April 22, 2007 8:19:05 AM

i agree with nocturnal! i actually started reading these forums waaayyy before i actually botherd to reg.

but lemme ask all u, most of you jus said that we use our knowledge to help ye? well then whats wrong with them newbs coming to us, seeking assistance and help? should it reallly matter if they dont come back? doesnt the feeling that you helpd some1 keep ther cpu from cooking an egg keep you happys?!


i for one, dont think that ur suggestion is a wise one.



maybe < 5 posts

hehe.. 8O
April 22, 2007 8:51:32 AM

Wow Proof opinion of me isn't that of a N00b anymore.
Sweet? F*** No Why would I care what your opinion is lol
Posts shouldn't determine what is and isn't a noob moron.
April 22, 2007 9:02:28 AM

maybe some sort of sticky can be made so that people can refer to it. Then, if specific help is needed it will be given, but it avoids most of the repeated stuff. (like the psu stickies, I visit them for several reasons without needing to post here)
April 22, 2007 9:05:32 AM

I have been reading the formz for 2 years i post is low. I read the formz to learn and to get new ideas for new builds. (And I know how to use google) :wink: All so it helps for the poster not to buy a Dell or any other crap PC!!!!!
April 22, 2007 9:24:17 AM

Maybe this as a recommendation:
1) It's basic courtesy to spell and word your post correctly. If you're asking for help, don't use barely legible sentences.
2) Reply! If someone makes a recommendation, let them know what you ended up doing. That makes it more interesting for them.
3) Don't ask open questions. You must specify what you're using your build for, or no one can properly assess it (although that still doesn't stop many unintelligent people from saying stuff like "No, dewd, ya gtta get 8800gtx. Thta is da shiznit!" when the only games you play are The Sims 2!)

If you're pissed off with noobs, don't reply. It really is as simple as that.
April 22, 2007 9:26:44 AM

That's more of a pisstake surely?

Wouldn't it be a better idea to lock the 'post new thread' for <100 posts?
April 22, 2007 9:30:29 AM

I think this is a bad idea too. I've been reading THG for years, probably around 4, and I only recently signed up to the forums. If I ask for help I don't think it should be denied because I haven't spammed 50 posts to get to that point. No offence to anyone here, but let's admit that there are some who contribute little to nothing but have thousands of posts, and some who barely have any posts (relatively speaking) but when they do post, it's usually something informative, credible, and relevant to the topic.

I have also joined a forum to ask for help or advice (whether it's computer related or not) and have also been guilty of getting the help I needed, thanking those who helped, and then never going back. Truth is, being a forum addict just isn't for everyone, the majority (imo) of people just don't feel the need to comment on every single post, and would rather read what the pros have to say. Hell, most of the time I get lost in the very advanced cpu discussions but I still like to learn. Should I post about something I know very little about just to get more posts so people will help me if I need advice?
April 22, 2007 9:51:59 AM

i am guilty of that very thing. I signed up here so i could get advice on my build.... but i did lurk for around 6months before i even made an account!

also, 50 posts to ask a question? Most of the time, when i see a question that i know the answer too, it has already been said by other members, and my limited knowledge is of no help. Does that mean i should go ahead and post anyway to get my count up? I hope not, as this would just lead to the same info repeated again and again by "n00bs" just so they can get posts......

If you dont like it, just ignore it, i for one enjoy reading the Rate my build threads, as they usually contain great ansewrs that also apply to me, meaning i dont start my own thread. The Rate my build threads contain valuble info for "n00bs" like me. Leave them how they are.

Although, i do agree that people who start these threads should be polite, spell correctly, and provide names and links, and other information relevant. Thats just courtesy.
April 22, 2007 10:43:17 AM

EXACTLY

that is all.



thread ended now? ( the op amazingly hasnt replied or even tried to defend his point )
April 22, 2007 10:45:43 AM

No I want my post count to go up to 50 :roll:
April 22, 2007 10:47:01 AM

:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 


then fire away ...


* hijack *

soprano vx or soprano?

seriously.
April 22, 2007 11:11:34 AM

I have had dell for years. long story short afther geting F#$%ED by them. I started to look at building my own rig. afther reading the forumz 4 6 months. I built my own. In the last 1.5 years i have built 4 rigs and love building them. With out the forumz i wouldn't have tryed. Now i didn't ask 4 help I looked it up and peaced it too gether and learned. Rather then have someone tell me what to get and just plug parts. I learned a lot more that way! But I may need a little help this summer for my super rig build 8O (hope i have 50 post by then J/K) also starting to look at learning linux! and having fun doing it :mrgreen:
April 22, 2007 11:14:20 AM

good thats what we love to hear!! that weve made a difference * quote/unquote from verdewd himself *

8O
April 22, 2007 11:20:12 AM

Well just 854 more 4 you
April 22, 2007 11:20:34 AM

Well, the idea was only to lock new threads. This would not preclude anyone from posting in an existing thread. I mean, I've only started a couple of threads myself, and I've regretted it when I have as it's usually been a case of me making an arse of myself.

In the end, I think it's probably a bad idea, but you could do something like this. In the make new thread bit, you could set it up so that it automatically searches the forums for similar threads, and then queries the poster whether they wouldn't prefer to go to that thread. You could say that they're more likely to get a response that way, say.
April 22, 2007 11:21:44 AM

Better... [new post] start... [new post] spamming...
April 22, 2007 11:25:42 AM

Quote:
Well, the idea was only to lock new threads. This would not preclude anyone from posting in an existing thread. I mean, I've only started a couple of threads myself, and I've regretted it when I have as it's usually been a case of me making an arse of myself.

In the end, I think it's probably a bad idea, but you could do something like this. In the make new thread bit, you could set it up so that it automatically searches the forums for similar threads, and then queries the poster whether they wouldn't prefer to go to that thread. You could say that they're more likely to get a response that way, say.




Not a bad idea! you know how many hours i'v spent looking at old threads for an anser to a ? I had an just afthe googling it and not happy with my search
April 22, 2007 11:27:30 AM

Sorry to much coffee :tongue:
April 22, 2007 11:30:21 AM

They wouldn't let me post this because it had too many uppercase characters: (I counted only numbers)

01011001 01101111 01110101 00100111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101010 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01110111 01100001 01110011 01110100 01100101 01100100 00100000 01101101 01100101 00100000 01101100 01101111 01100001 01100100 01110011 00100000 01101111 01100110 00100000 01110100 01101001 01101101 01100101 00101110 00100000
April 22, 2007 11:33:05 AM

i'll give you ten eggs.....
maybe you will say that after 50 days will emerge 5 noobs and 5 forum residents.. maybe not...
but how can you be so damn sure.....where is the proof?
maybe beeing noob is a good thing\when i look at an egg i see endless posibilities......
just an example maybe not a good or relevant one ...
ps i know you want to see more quality topics but all of us were noobs ...
April 22, 2007 11:38:20 AM

:D  :D  :D 

I had to do loads of research. (i.e. a minute on google)
April 22, 2007 11:39:47 AM

It is an asinine idea that would only hurt Tom’s Harware.com. I never knew that this website existed until I became interested in building my own computer. A friend recommended this site and so I checked it out. Wanting to build a machine one of the first natural posts would be “hey, check this out…” not for the uber-leetness of the rig running a Celeron, but a “please prevent me from making a mistake, budget wise or otherwise”.

Long before post number 50.

The search function on these forums is one of the worst I’ve seen, the stickies are just about the most informative that I have seen. Reading many other posts helps answer tons of questions, but in the end new builders simply do not know what they don’t know and don’t know everything they should be asking.

I came to these forums for one reason only, a reputation of helping people out, which everyone does. Then I see this asinine post and understand there are a few in every crowd, no matter how helpful.
April 22, 2007 11:48:19 AM

wow I'm liking this binary stuff. Glad to have my 'privlages' since I read it :lol: 

edit: since you posted while I was writing my post, I solemnly swear to be able to use Google :D  (yeah I know I must get a life)
April 22, 2007 11:48:52 AM

Quote:
Just so everyone that is just now coming to this thread it is now a party thread and the argument is over. The OP is wrong and we all know it.

So lets start continue this Binary discussion.

Hint for the above code.

http://www.theskull.com/javascript/ascii-binary.html



? what is the best way to learn Binary (books) if so which ones any and all tips would be good. thanks
April 22, 2007 11:52:30 AM

Sorry, I was sleeping and I just woke up. Hmmm... I did not expect this many replies but I am glad to see them. I can definately see both sides of the arguement but I still have to take my own side. Not real good at defending myself at 7:00AM so I will be back later. :D 
April 22, 2007 12:04:58 PM

thanks
well this is a party thread any tips for a noob on linux .I.e books web sites

want to play with some thing new? I think I got the basic part of it but whanting more! (if anyone uses it.) Suse 10.2
April 22, 2007 12:05:57 PM

Who, imagine if all the posts were in binary! That would be hillarious to see the reactions of people just visiting or joining!
April 22, 2007 12:07:05 PM

01101111 01101101 01100111 00100000 01101001 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110110 01100101
00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110011 01101001 01110100 01100101
00100000 01110100 01101000 01111000 00100000 01101101 01110000 01101001 01101100 01100011
01101000 01100110 01100001 01101101 01101001 01101100 01111001 00100000


yeh?
April 22, 2007 12:11:08 PM

I am currently running a 6 hour tuning for my processor, memory, PCI-E, graphics card core, and graphics card memory with nTune. I want to see how it compares to standard overclocking. Does anyone have any experience with it?
April 22, 2007 12:18:31 PM

Quote:
01101111 01101101 01100111 00100000 01101001 00100000 01101100 01101111 01110110 01100101
00100000 01110100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110011 01101001 01110100 01100101
00100000 01110100 01101000 01111000 00100000 01101101 01110000 01101001 01101100 01100011
01101000 01100110 01100001 01101101 01101001 01101100 01111001 00100000


yeh?


I love this site Thx mpilchfamily
April 22, 2007 12:26:57 PM

I would avoid judging people by their post count. There is a world outside of these forums from which much good experience could be drawn.

There is a segment here that place too much emphasis on post count. I quietly watch as some members with post counts in the thousands rarely help anyone and go from thread to thread flaming. They treat the forums like their own playground starting their own worthless threads in the wrong sections. They burn through 20 posts in one thread just to say, "stfu u noob".

I can point out two real problems with so many new useless threads every day.

1. The search function sucks. It take some real effort to first see if something has already been posted, not that the effort shouldn't be made. By time you check it may have been posted while you check. You are better to use Google site search than use the built in search function.

Here is an example, you think you have new info on Penryn. Use these search terms for google:
Quote:
penryn site:tomshardware.com


Your result will look this.

2. Some of the veterans of the forums don't lead by example. How can a "noob", be expected to be wise with new threads when the regulars set such a terrible example. You can go to the CPU section right now and discuss: gun control, birthdays, the murder of Dr. Phil etc. I love the fact that these forums are very open and not over moderated but this leaves it up to the members to self police and show restraint.
April 22, 2007 12:48:17 PM

Quote:
Now there is no reason to alienate any noobs here. They are here to learn even if it's for a short time to get there new build finalized. Chances are they have been surfing around here in the background for a while before finally deciding to register. Let’s not discourage those from registering. If they don't get responses from there first post asking to finalize a build they won't come back to try and contribute or ask more questions about problems they may be having. Then where would we be? Good service generally brings repeat customers so let’s not turn those in need away.


My sentiments exactly.
April 22, 2007 12:59:49 PM

Quote:
I have been reading the formz for 2 years i post is low. I read the formz to learn and to get new ideas for new builds.

Same here. I do sometimes post a question but hardly ever answer a question. Often there a people on the forum with more knowledge as myself and thus it's pointless for me to answer a question.

I like this forum. Lately there's been very little flaming and the posts I select are worth reading. I skip posts I do not wish to read, like the poster said about 'rate my system'. Never read those.
April 22, 2007 3:04:26 PM

Quote:
I have been reading the formz for 2 years i post is low. I read the formz to learn and to get new ideas for new builds.

Same here. I do sometimes post a question but hardly ever answer a question. Often there a people on the forum with more knowledge as myself and thus it's pointless for me to answer a question.

I like this forum. Lately there's been very little flaming and the posts I select are worth reading. I skip posts I do not wish to read, like the poster said about 'rate my system'. Never read those.

Thank you.
April 22, 2007 3:57:05 PM

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Wouldn't it be a better idea to lock the 'post new thread' for <100 posts?


So you want to keep new people to here( low post count) from ASKING questions until they've ANSWERED 100 posts? Won't that cause MORE garbage posts? Won't that turn more people away? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of this whole site?

It doesn't take a language professor to be able to read thru the new posts and figure out what it is they're trying to ask/accomplish. If you don't understand the post as clearly as you'd like, ask for clarity, or just keep walkin'.

Did you understand that? :lol: 
April 22, 2007 5:59:56 PM

Yes, I did understand. :D 

There's a lot more going on in communication than merely raw informational content.A straightforward example of this is irony or sarcasm. If you actually examine language, there isn't that much that actually conveys information. The rest of it is what anthropologists call 'grooming' behaviour.

A poorly worded, barely readable post is discourteous, in my opinion. It reflects, rightly or wrongly, an attitude of not paying one's reader sufficient respect. That's fine if you're talking with your mates or whatever, but if you're asking strangers for help, you should show some politeness. It shouldn't fall to others to ask you to clarify something that you should have made a genuine effort to make clear in the first place.

In any case, the <100 posts new thread locking was only an idea that I backtracked from. Reading the thread as a whole before posting is another case of showing a little respect. You wouldn't wander into someone's conversation halfway through and butt in, would you?
April 22, 2007 6:23:26 PM

I too log on frequently to read the mainpage articles and forums,comparing prices, performance, builds etc. but I dont post much due to my inexperience with PCs in general.
I was going to post on my new system specs and get some input/feedback but I dont think my post count is high enough :p 
Anyone know of forums where NOOBS can post?
April 22, 2007 6:37:05 PM

Having a low post count does not mean some one is a NOOB.
April 22, 2007 6:55:11 PM

My A+ instructor advised me to learn to build my own pc so that's why I joined up yesterday. I have a couple dells and I think they're decent computers, just slow and I feel that I can build a much faster computer at the price of the typcial dell desktop.

However, I know nothing about processors, motherboards and so forth so take time with me.
April 22, 2007 7:02:05 PM

Quote:
I have a couple dells and I think they're decent computers, just slow


Cant say about the newer dells but i have 2 older ones 7yrs and 5 yrs.
They are still kickin just fine.

And they arent anyslower than my x2 amd or my singlecore amd.
Not at most things anyway.
Except for gaming of course.
April 22, 2007 7:14:35 PM

i care to disagree that people over "50" posts will only receive a response
what good will that do?

itl create spam to new users to get to 50 post
discriminate new members
make the forum unfriendly

dont get me wrong or anything but on this forum its made up with individuals who help others and will always help others and will not let anyone hang by their toes thats why i joined this forum because you can learn a lot here and the forum just plain ol feels like a community
April 22, 2007 7:16:48 PM

I have a couple Pentium 4 Dells and I wanted something a bit faster for mulitasking and burning cd/dvds....

I also want to learn how to actually build a computer and so forth....

But I do have another noob question to ask :lol: 

I'm not a gamer at all, can I just get a motherboard with on board graphics and save the money on a video card?
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