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Help on decision please (E6320 vs E6420 vs E6600)

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April 24, 2007 6:33:28 AM

Hello everyone :) 

After so much thinking I finally got to the final tier, with three CPUs on the hold... however Im a bit hesitant on which one to get considering performance (mostly for games).

Beforehand, have in mind I have no intention of overclocking aka OC = No.Sir ;) 

Seeing several benchmarks on different sites... it seems that the 6600 is ahead, with the 6420 on its tail and the E6320 just a tad behind...

Checking amazon's prices (getting the stuff from there and unfortunately cant order from newegg)

E6600 $270
E6420 $230
E6320 $205

There is kinda some difference between the 6600 and the 6420... thats golden 40 bucks :p 
As for 6420 vs 6320 there is only a 25 bucks difference, which makes me lean a bit towards the 6420.

So... would you guys say "go for it"?
Is the 6600 in regards to the 6420 really worth those extra 40 bucks?

I was given a link by a member here to some topic on another forum where they claim you can reach the 6600 by OC'ing the 6420 but as I said I have no interest on it (since I'd have to buy a CPU cooler, better PSU etc etc etc).

Thanks for your time :) 
April 24, 2007 6:36:28 AM

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I was given a link by a member here to some topic on another forum where they claim you can reach the 6600 by OC'ing the 6420 but as I said I have no interest on it (since I'd have to buy a CPU cooler, better PSU etc etc etc).

Thanks for your time :) 


You can use the stock cooler and easily reach the e6600 speeds and it won't be running hot.
April 24, 2007 7:00:43 AM

Or buy the E6600 and overclock it to E6700 speeds lol :D 


Since you don't want to overclock, I recommend the E6600, but don't buy it for $270!

Many MANY sites now have the E6600 for 225-235, not just newegg, so don't buy it for more then that, unless you like throwing money away?
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April 24, 2007 7:25:17 AM

Don't you mean that he could overclock the E6600 to X6800 speeds? :D 

It's amazing that several people have reached that level with an E6600 and STOCK cooling! WOW!
April 24, 2007 7:41:43 AM

Thanks all for your replies :) 

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You can use the stock cooler and easily reach the e6600 speeds and it won't be running hot.

Are you sure? Dont I need a special MoBo (good for OC'ing?)

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Since you don't want to overclock, I recommend the E6600, but don't buy it for $270!

Many MANY sites now have the E6600 for 225-235, not just newegg, so don't buy it for more then that, unless you like throwing money away?

Or unless I dont live in the US and the only place that takes my international credit card is amazon...
April 24, 2007 8:13:34 AM

Dude, just change the FSB in the BIOS from 266MHz to 333MHz and you have an instant X6850 (unreleased 3GHz C2D) CPU. ;) 

Seriously, people are so scared of overclocking, they think of nuclear explosions inside their cases and liquid nitrogen cannisters and stuff like that :oops:  :lol: , but really, moderate overclocking only requires the push of a button.

Of course, hardcore overclocking is a lot more difficult and an entirely different topic together, but getting a 25% overclock on an E6600 is a piece of cake. I would bet 95%+ of E6600s can hit that speed without extra cooling or added voltage, and the 5% duds can probably do 3GHz with a slight voltage bump.

Where do I get my numbers? Out of my ass. :p  LOL, seriously, overclocking is not an exact science but it's pretty easy to estimate to +-10% (based on previous results) how much headroom a given CPU will have.
April 24, 2007 12:23:50 PM

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Dude, just change the FSB in the BIOS from 266MHz to 333MHz and you have an instant X6850 (unreleased 3GHz C2D) CPU. ;) 

Seriously, people are so scared of overclocking, they think of nuclear explosions inside their cases and liquid nitrogen cannisters and stuff like that :oops:  :lol: , but really, moderate overclocking only requires the push of a button.

Of course, hardcore overclocking is a lot more difficult and an entirely different topic together, but getting a 25% overclock on an E6600 is a piece of cake. I would bet 95%+ of E6600s can hit that speed without extra cooling or added voltage, and the 5% duds can probably do 3GHz with a slight voltage bump.

Where do I get my numbers? Out of my ass. :p  LOL, seriously, overclocking is not an exact science but it's pretty easy to estimate to +-10% (based on previous results) how much headroom a given CPU will have.

If you were going to use the computer as a HTPC for a given time, would it be unwise to overclock? You already have to work on keeping the video card cool and the cpu would be utilized as well but is overclocking a risky decision in that case? I'm just curious.
April 24, 2007 1:58:36 PM

It should be fine as long as you remain at stock voltage. I'd figure a ~15W difference between an E6600 @ 3GHz vs 2.4GHz. 15W isn't much in the bigger picture, if that is enough to tip your HTPC into instability then it's already only borderline stable and needs to be looked at. ;) 
April 24, 2007 2:28:14 PM

Alright, I think Imma go for the E6420 since the 6600 just looks too expensive right now :?
Or maybe.... if I find myself in a really hard situation (still dont know if Ill be able to get this all together or Ill have to actually look lower down the chain) I might as well get the E6320 and given the advice given here, I believe Ill be able to at least make it work to the same speeds of the E6420 (Hope Im right :oops:  )

Thanks for your time :) 
April 24, 2007 3:00:56 PM

Overclocking the E6320 to E6420 speeds will be easier than installing Ultimate Doom on your PC 8)
April 24, 2007 3:49:03 PM

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Overclocking the E6320 to E6420 speeds will be easier than installing Ultimate Doom on your PC 8)

:lol:  That hard 8O :p 

Hehe, thanks for the reassurance :) 
April 24, 2007 4:11:15 PM

IMO if you are just using your computer for gaming none of these processors really need to be over clocked for good frames and a pleasant gaming exp. Just make sure you have a good video card.
April 24, 2007 4:58:17 PM

well, I found the ee6600 for $200 when I built my set up, and that was not on Newegg, just check pricewatch, and pricegrabber, they can find the deals that amazon doesn't have. Go with the EE6600 if your not going to over clock.
April 24, 2007 5:20:13 PM

Thanks guys :) 

Well Ill check pricewatch and the other though I doubt they accept international (aka non-US) credit cards :p 

Now however, after reading an article on xbits or anandtech (cant remember), I feel hesitant once again :?

See, Im going for the E6320, maybe OC a bit to E6420 with the stock cooler etc.. All fine.

But then I look at the E4400 2 MB Cache and ourperforms the E6320, and it costs like 30 or 40 bucks less :? What gives :?
April 24, 2007 5:32:46 PM

at this point, the 63x0 series is a waste of money.

at this price level, for Intel only, the 4400, 6420, or 6600 should be the choice...

4400 for budget concerns, great OC potential, and non-cache needs (gaming)
6420 for decent OC potential and cache needs (video/audio encoding)
6600 for those who want it all (great OC potential + cache)
April 24, 2007 6:01:44 PM

Didn't you hear that Intel just cut the prices of Core 2 Duo processors?

Well, wait for a couple of days and you will see price of E6600 @ $220.

I don't understand why your international credit card is not accepted?

If you don't live in the US, isn't there any good online seller in your place?
April 24, 2007 6:04:28 PM

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at this point, the 63x0 series is a waste of money.

at this price level, for Intel only, the 4400, 6420, or 6600 should be the choice...

4400 for budget concerns, great OC potential, and non-cache needs (gaming)
6420 for decent OC potential and cache needs (video/audio encoding)
6600 for those who want it all (great OC potential + cache)


Heck - The E4300 is still the best bet for Budget.
EZ to get well over 3ghz and handle really any task you toss at it.

The E6420 is gets you the Xtra Cache and is fast enough to start to not worry too much about hitting a FSB limit depending on Mobo.

And of Course the E6600 is a nice chip for not much more and may be the most reliable OC'er of all of them since it is tested at higher clocks to start.

I totally agree that the E63xx series would not fall into any of my builds.
(Low, Mid, High Budget)
April 24, 2007 7:42:59 PM

So you guys mean the cache makes no difference for games?
But I still wonder why something on a lower "range" is better :?
(4400 vs 6320)

Let's leave aside the OC'ing coz I wont... maybe just a quick twist in BIOS like my former idea of 6320 to 6420...
With that in mind still is it good to get the 4400?

To be honest all I want is to at least play UT 2007, decent speeds, 1024x768...
ASnd maybe Oblivion for the time being (yeah I know about the outdoors and my 8800GTS 320 sweating etc..)

Its just... its hard for me to understand :?
Although with things like that I might wait for a few days anyway and expect more price dropping? (But then the 4400 would be like what? $100 8O)
April 24, 2007 7:50:20 PM

Well again I have an EE6600, but it's more the graphics card with oblivion once you have about 2.0 Ghz in speed. UT 2007 is probably the same.
April 24, 2007 7:59:28 PM

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Well again I have an EE6600, but it's more the graphics card with oblivion once you have about 2.0 Ghz in speed. UT 2007 is probably the same.

So tell me.
My E4400 would beat your E6600 (stock) when OC'ed?
Is that what it is about?

I mean... I just wonder... if this one is so cheap (4400) why dont people recommend it in the first place? Maybe its because if I don't overclock it (like Im planning), then the 6420 or E6600 are the way to go?

Im sorry for sounding so idiotic but Im still tryiing to figure it out... coz a price reduction of $60 is 8O
April 24, 2007 8:10:34 PM

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Well again I have an EE6600, but it's more the graphics card with oblivion once you have about 2.0 Ghz in speed. UT 2007 is probably the same.

So tell me.
My E4400 would beat your E6600 (stock) when OC'ed?
Is that what it is about?

I mean... I just wonder... if this one is so cheap (4400) why dont people recommend it in the first place? Maybe its because if I don't overclock it (like Im planning), then the 6420 or E6600 are the way to go?

Im sorry for sounding so idiotic but Im still tryiing to figure it out... coz a price reduction of $60 is 8O
no, a 4400 at 6600 speed will not beat it, simply due to the cache differences alone. a 4400 higher than 6600 (which is easily doable on air), would meet or beat it.

then again, if you are going to OC a 4400, why wouldn't you OC a 6600? an OC'd 6600 easily beats an OC'd 4400.

this all comes down to your budget. a 4400 at 6600 speeds is a hell of a deal. on the other hand, if budget isnt a concern and you dont want to OC, i say go with the 6600.

performance wise:

stock 6600 >>> stock 4400
OC'd 4400 > stock 6600
OC'd 6600 >>>>> stock 4400
OC'd 6600 >>> OC'd 4400

so, now its just a matter of how much you wish to spend (~$145 or ~$235) and whether or not you will OC.
April 24, 2007 8:22:12 PM

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Heck - The E4300 is still the best bet for Budget.

meh, to me the $20 is worth the extra multi, but i can see your point if money was real tight.
April 24, 2007 8:30:41 PM

i think i'd go for the 6420, and i am thinking about it, but its kinda hard to justify when my 6300 will run stable at 3.4ghz. And im not sure how much the cache will actually help.
April 24, 2007 8:33:51 PM

what video card do you have? that is going to limit you more then which cpu you get.
April 24, 2007 9:03:49 PM

Ok guys thanks again :) 

Then I guess if Im not OC'ing... the $100 is good but the 4400 would be slapped to hell by the 6600...
Tough choice since the only way I'd OC is by NOT using anything additional... aka cooling systems of any sort, better PSU etc etc.

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what video card do you have? that is going to limit you more then which cpu you get.

Im thinking of a 8800GTS 320 MB and its 99.9% chances Im getting that one.
Its kinda expensive for my budget... hence Im here asking for CPUs coz any squeeze on the field will improve my chances of getting that videocard :) 
April 24, 2007 10:34:04 PM

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I say dont get any of them!

:lol:  Too late... my convertion to the dark side is about to be complete and nothing can stop it :p 
April 25, 2007 3:17:09 AM

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I say dont get any of them!
Obviously, you've got some shrapnel stuck in your head. :roll:
April 25, 2007 3:24:54 AM

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actually i had some in me leg and Intel still sucks in my book!
What book is that...the book of fanboyism?
April 25, 2007 4:42:41 AM

No matter what you go with, the core 2 duo DOES NOT disappoint. But its true... there are a ton of other places that have the E6600 at cheaper prices.

I have an E6300 and even at stock speeds it's quite impressive and I'm sure the E6320 and the E6420 will be even better. I currently have my E6300 running at 2.8ghz and no real interest in going higher and never been happier.
April 25, 2007 5:14:37 AM

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Im thinking of a 8800GTS 320 MB and its 99.9% chances Im getting that one.
Its kinda expensive for my budget... hence Im here asking for CPUs coz any squeeze on the field will improve my chances of getting that videocard :) 



If you can wait a few more weeks or a month, you might be able to get the GTS for less, or perhaps a R600, once ATI finally comes out with their new cards.
Saving money on the GPU, might help you buy that E6600. :wink:

Yeah, GPU is the most important, but since you don't wana overclock, I still think the E6600 would be a smart buy, but only if you can get it at the new normal price of $225 or less.
If you really can't find the E6600 at the right price of $225ish, then yeah the E6420 is also good if you don't want to overclock, provided you CAN find that one at it's normal price of $180-190.

You really should overclock regaurdless of what you get though. Just push the chip up a little bit at least on the stock HSF. I mean, to buy a C2D and not overclock at all just seems..... Wrong :lol: 
Bah, it's ok.... You won't really need to overclock the E6600 until CRYSIS and other newer games come out anyways, so don't worry about that now :wink:
Of course if you do get an E4400 or 4300, you will save money yeah, but sacrifice a LOT of power, especially if you do not overclock!

Surely the price cuts will take effect in your country or amazon here soon? :?: If not, perhaps there is some other way you could pay besides a credit card? Paypal maybe?
April 25, 2007 6:26:35 AM

Alright guys thanks once again :) 

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If you can wait a few more weeks or a month, you might be able to get the GTS for less, or perhaps a R600, once ATI finally comes out with their new cards.
Saving money on the GPU, might help you buy that E6600. :wink:

That seems like an option... but why exactly? Is ATI releasing a 29xxXTX or something at the same price of the 8800GTS 320 allegedly?
Or perhaps wait for a 27xx something?

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You really should overclock regaurdless of what you get though. Just push the chip up a little bit at least on the stock HSF.

Maybe Ill end up doing it. Just dont wanna invest on any more stuff... like a cooling solution, more fans, better CPU heatsink etc...

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Surely the price cuts will take effect in your country or amazon here soon? :?: If not, perhaps there is some other way you could pay besides a credit card? Paypal maybe?

Neeh. Paypal aint supported over here unfortunately so Im stuck with amazon :?

I guess I could hold my horses for some weeks, but I guess also there is no official date on the ATI release?
Like it could be starting June or something? That'd suck... And it is my guess as well we still dont know whether the R600 will provide better performance at same/lower prices that the current 8800 set? That'd suck even more (I mean waiting for a big puff).

--> Edit <--
Bahhh :(  Big disappointment... just made a quick scam over the CPU forums and seems like the 2900XT will compete at the same price with the 8800GTS 640, not my 320 :( 
So probably the baby cards (2600HD whatever) will not be able to compete in terms of performance to "my card" :?
April 25, 2007 4:29:37 PM

Actually my point was if your trying to save money then go with the ee4400 or the ee4300, it will still give you quality and you can over clock it if you need too. The graphic card that you use in your system will more determine the games you can play and how well they display.
April 25, 2007 5:19:56 PM

Well, I am probably the wrong person to be telling you to wait on R600, considering I got tired of waiting on ATI as well, and purchased a 8800GTS 640mb for $325 yesterday... (note the 640mb version is better, but only in higher resolutions with AA cranked up ect, the 320mb is still a darn good card for the money)

You might not be able to afford the XT2900HD if the initial reports are true-- costing somewhere around 400ish I think?
Right now the 320mb 8800GTS is only $260 (if you shop around), so it is a great deal now, and will still probably be a good deal then too. :wink:

Now this discussion raises another question----- Are you able to get the GTS 320mb for a fair price right now, considering you can't shop at Newegg?


As golddragon_70 said, you can slap in a 44, or 43, and be fine for now with a powerful GPU handling the games.... Down the road however you will undoubtedly want to upgrade the CPU, especially if you never overclock it.... It might be a good idea to slap in the 4300 now, then when the QUAD CORES drop to $250 later this year, pickup one of those, should you happen to find more money? :D  That wouldn't be a bad option at all. You see when games like Crysis come out later this year, quad cores are going to be a BIG help over duals, or singles anyways.

Oh also-- as said in this thread before, don't worry about buying extra cooling items... You SHOULD get a few hundred mhz out of whatever chip you buy with the stock heat\sink\fan (HSF), without changing voltages much ect. And the stock HSF is better then most people know for OC.

Not much more I can say on this topic. I am sure you'll be happy with whichever one you get. Good luck :wink:
April 25, 2007 7:55:38 PM

Thanks guys once again :) 

Well gamebro... seems like I might end up pulling a bit more bucks and get the 6600...
Actually the idea was to have a good PC for once on my life... (currently laughable piece o' crap sempron 2800+, radeon 9200, 256 DDR :lol: )...
Maybe In a year or so I might be able to get more money and maybe in that time buy the highest Quad Core available (since I bet in that time we'll have 8-core 8O ? but pretty expensive), and maybe a high-end XTX type card...

My interests are modelling/design software, so I think Ill do pretty fine with core duo and 2 GB DDR2.

The reason I keep on disturbing folks around here is basically, games :p 
I wanna be able to play UT 2007 at least high settings... AA Im not really interested on (since I think that's what takes more VRAM and performance outta your card?), but at least should look good...

And crysis I havent seen trailers or anything but you guys mention it a lot :p  Wonder why you dont mention UT 2007 :p 
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