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Spring VGA Charts 2007

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I would prefer the multi and single cards in one chart for comparison of the two. I would have thought most people would want to compare single to SLI/CF over SLI/CF to SLI/CF.

Also, it mentions DUAL and QUAD. What distinguishes dual SLI/CF from quad in your chart?

Reply to srtate

Quad refers to the two 7950GX2s, each having two G71 chips, thus a total of four G71s.

Reply to jeff_2087
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Thanks for the info!

One more curiosity:

Why does everyone run the no AA / AF benchmarks at low resolutions? I assume this is for a non-GPU bound reference point? Or for low budget cards?

It would be nice to see a high res no AA / AF in addition.

Reply to srtate
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I would prefer the multi and single cards in one chart for comparison of the two. I would have thought most people would want to compare single to SLI/CF over SLI/CF to SLI/CF.

Also, it mentions DUAL and QUAD. What distinguishes dual SLI/CF from quad in your chart?




I have to agree with this as I like being able to compare an SLI setup to a single card. I happen to run 2 7600 GT's in SLI mode and seeing how they compare to a 7900 is how I made my decision to use the 2 7600's.

Reply to kwl

This new system and using firefox browser to be able to differentiate my old graphics card system vs. my new is nice. It was easy to see that I was getting twice the performance than before.

Also, it clearly shows which games aren't SLI optimized, as some SLI setups have the same scores for just a single card, all games should by now be optimized for multiple GPUs. :x

Reply to Jhouserok

OK... I'm frustrated. Some of the cards they have on the SLI/CF page aren't on the Single card page and many of the single cards aren't on the SLI/CF page. The latter I can understand since fewer people have SLI/CF setups and you can probably find one with similar performance (for example a 7800GTX 256MB SLI which IS on the chart would perform similarly to a 7900GS SLI). But for some reason the 8800GTS 320MB both vanilla and OC'd don't make it onto the single card page.

-mcg

Reply to MrCommunistGen

Where are these AGP cards you speak of?
It would be great if you could add in the X1950 and the 7600 AGP versions into these charts.

Reply to sirrobin4ever

Ummm...what were the system specs for the testing?

And it looks like FSX might be a better processor test than a graphics card test...At 10x7 even the mighty 8800GTX only doubles a X1300 Hypermemory? Just WOW!

Reply to barturtle

I wonder when the x1950xt wondered in there. :?: well, it's nice to finally see were my card ranks in the charts rather then to stare at the charts for minutes until, I think I know were it would place. :P

Reply to goldragon_70

as always, you cannot seem to update the uk site at the same time. this means that although i can read the forums about it but the link does not work for me.

how many times does this have to discussed. bloody frustrating. it is now 18:40 here in the UK so i see no reason for it.

Reply to strangestranger

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Ummm...what were the system specs for the testing?

And it looks like FSX might be a better processor test than a graphics card test...At 10x7 even the mighty 8800GTX only doubles a X1300 Hypermemory? Just WOW!



I too came here looking for system specs. Are they posted somewhere?

Reply to techmanc

Click on every score bar, a pop up will appear with the info you seek. ;)

Reply to Multiplectic

Anyone else notice the ATi 7800 GTX SLI (G70, 550Mhz, 1700Mhz, 512 MB GDDR3) Entry here on the dual and quad page. :P

Reply to sandmanwn

thanks for the link as i can now access it, also, the us site looks alot different from the uk one. does the main site look like that too?

by the looks of it they really screwed up seperating the charts between the dual and single setups. at least they have finally included 19x 12 res although more widescreen ones would be nice.

on the whole ok although i am still not happy with some of it. hell, they will nver get it right if such a state exists.

Reply to strangestranger

yep thats the new site. looked very plain at first. they are starting to add some more content and fill in the gaps.

unfortunately this is basically the charts we will have to live with for another 6 months or so until the next round up.

heres a link to the other vga charts

Reply to sandmanwn
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Anyone else notice the ATi 7800 GTX SLI (G70, 550Mhz, 1700Mhz, 512 MB GDDR3) Entry here on the dual and quad page. :P


lol yeah just read it and was like "wtf?!" i thought more people would have noticed!
That's some real good editing :lol:

Reply to glupee

The lack of 8800GTS 320mb in the single graphics card charts is unforgivable.

Reply to ThunderChunky
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I second that.

Reply to WeaponX

The Nvidia X1950XTX CF (R580+, 648MHZ, 1998 MHZ 512mb GDDR4) is awesome too!

Reply to Shizamaaur

Am I the only one who wants Tom to leave in all the old cards too?
I like to see how much technology has progressed. Im sure advertising would grant the time it takes to benchmark cards down to the FX / 9800 level.

Reply to CompTIA_Rep

This is the first time i have found this chart usefull. It has games i play (BF 2142) and it has the res i want to buy a 24" monitor for (1900x1200)

Nice job guys. :wink:

Reply to corvetteguy
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Any idea what CPU(s) were used when testing?

The Microsoft Flight Simulator X has my interest peaked, especially with the massive bottleneck I can only guess can be attributed to the CPU.

Reply to Tsukasa

See my post above! :)

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Click on every score bar, a pop up will appear with the info you seek. ;)

Reply to Multiplectic

Fist Post.


This thread is fake.

Reply to CompTIA_Rep
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Ahh, thank you. I read your post earlier but I couldn't figure what you meant. Thought it might have been some sort of joke I didnt get lol :wink:

Still curious about those Flight Simulator X benchies though :?

Reply to Tsukasa

Hmm, did I miss something, or is the X1950PRO crossfire missing?
No offense, but HOW THE HELL did a 8800gts 320mb stock sli config beat a 8800gtx sli config in BF2142. 8O
Lol @ the ATI 7800gtx too

Reply to HDDFreak

there is one final thing that bugs me about this chart and the whole toms testing procedure.

that is HDR plus AA. if a card can do it, thereshould be two result included. one of them shoud be without AA to allow comparison to cards that cannot do it and one of them should include it to allow people to see how they will perform in the real world. it has been over a year now that ATI cards have been crippled in tests to allow the nvidia 7 series to compete.

the reason it bugs me is that for my config of dual x1900xt's, i can tell you that i use max settings WITH 4xAA and that i get about the same FPS or a little more than what your results tell people. it may be important for some to know that enabling AA gives practically no performance hit.

i feel it is wrong to not include those results as well. it has went on long enough.

Reply to strangestranger

I would like to also start seeing testing at 2560x1600 for those of us that use such large monitors (mainly for higher end cards and cf/sli setups) but i can say from more recent browsing of articles, this is one of the better updates you have done with little to no complaints unlike some of the other articles on overclocking and what not. :D

Reply to p8ntslinger676

Why dont you use FEAR instead of Doom 3? Isnt Doom 3 a little dated compared to the other games?

EDIT: Also does anyone else find that the "Choose Benchmark" dropdown is too long on Firefox?

Reply to randomizer
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Uh.. how come the G71's can do HDR+AA now??

http://www23.tomshardware.com/grap [...] &chart=284

Reply to Track

I had to double take on the typo's too. Pretty funny

Reply to Maxdad007

Im looking at the 3DMark06 sores and scratching my head. I have a X1950XT at the exact same GPU/MEM speeds as listed ont he charts. They used an X6800 and I only have an E4300. And thier score only like 3000marks. I get over 5000marks

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=1570276

whats the diff??

EDIT: I see those are subscores not overall. sorry.

Reply to little_scrapper

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Hmm, did I miss something, or is the X1950PRO crossfire missing?
No offense, but HOW THE HELL did a 8800gts 320mb stock sli config beat a 8800gtx sli config in BF2142. 8O
Lol @ the ATI 7800gtx too



The only time I see the GTS 320MB SLI beating the GTX SLI is at 1024x768 resolution, and even then it's only by a couple frames. Move the benchmark to 1600x1200 or 1920x1200 and you'll see the GTX setup shine.

You've just proven that if you are still gaming at a low enough resolution, you really don't need a super-powerful video card. These cards are made to be run at high resolutions, and even then, only if you have the processor to keep up and not bottleneck your new expensive video card.

-TyShoe

Reply to TyroneShoelaces

O.o Where are the 8600 Benches? Certainly they've been out long enough?

>.> I wanted to compare them with the X1950s... but they're STILL not on the charts... Watch the R600 series beat them to the charts, too.

Reply to logical2u

track i'll be nice for once and tell you that dark messiah uses the source engine which does not use openEXR HDR. it uses the in built source HDR which works differently and can work on SM2 capable cards as well.

Reply to strangestranger

do you have any idea how long it takes to benchmark and compile the data for this. i don't but am sure it takes a bloody long time. also, how long do you think this article has been ready in comparison to the release of the 8600's. they have been out no time at all and you are complaining.

get real, grow up and try to remember the work that goes into to something as massive as this.

Reply to strangestranger

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do you have any idea how long it takes to benchmark and compile the data for this. i don't but am sure it takes a bloody long time. also, how long do you think this article has been ready in comparison to the release of the 8600's. they have been out no time at all and you are complaining.

get real, grow up and try to remember the work that goes into to something as massive as this.



I agree that it takes some time, but what about the e4300 and the 6300 on the CPU charts? Where are they? They came out MANY months ago.....

Reply to sirrobin4ever

for that there is no excuse.

i mean they are busy but i doubt they are that busy, my onlyu guess is that they could not get a sample which i find hard to believe.

Reply to strangestranger

wtf where are the 8600gts.gt

Reply to dortmund371

Im with sirrobin4ever on this one they said it would be the last chart to feature AGP, fair enough but where are they.
If ATI and NVIDEA can be arsed to make new AGP cards there must be a market so why not include them!

Reply to mactronix
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track i'll be nice for once and tell you that dark messiah uses the source engine which does not use openEXR HDR. it uses the in built source HDR which works differently and can work on SM2 capable cards as well.



Listen, i know how hard that was and i just want to thank you for that. Im not kidding, ur probably a dick, but i know it was hard, so seriously thank you.

And yeh, how stupid of me! Go source!

Reply to Track
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I was really glad to see BF2142 put in there and the extra resolutions are great! thanks Tom!

I can't imagine the 320mb GTS would be much different from the 640mb which is reason enough to leave it out however since they have included higher resolutions, it would make sense to have the 320 and 640 to make the comparison for 24"+ owners.

Reply to locky28

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Anyone else notice the ATi 7800 GTX SLI (G70, 550Mhz, 1700Mhz, 512 MB GDDR3) Entry here on the dual and quad page. :P



That and the

Nvidia X1950 XTX CF R580+, 648 MHz, 1998 MHz, 512MB GDDR4

Reply to blinkin2000

It seems to me the more i look at it the more its like they started doing it and went whoa this is gona take forever and just stuck some v/badly thought through rules to reduce the amount of work involved.
I do realise that it is indeed a heck of a lot of work to do it but lets do it properly or not at all.

X800xl included in hdr-r results -how? according to the chart it beats cards that actualy support the feature v/confusing if you dont know thing 1 about g/cards

Where are the mentioned last of the agp they said were included

What was the test bed are some cards bottle necked by the cpu or did they run it on something that people running x800 series cards wouldnt in a million years have in there pc

Mactronix

Reply to mactronix

as has been said, click on the FPS bars and the system specs will appear. you will note that it is very high end so as to eliminate any "bottlenecking"(god i hate that word).

still i can only imagine that the x800's were in fact no running HDR in oblivion but were included in the tests anyway. your right int aht they shouldn't be.

Reply to strangestranger

Thanks for that about the specs

Reply to mactronix
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