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April 25, 2007 4:26:20 PM

i really want to play games like oblivion. I've had a x1600pro 512mb agp since last april and i thought well the r600s will be out soon.i still haven't seen crap about the r600s. do i buy a gtx or gts. or do i wait just a little bit longer to see if the r600s are released.

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April 25, 2007 4:51:32 PM

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i really want to play games like oblivion. I've had a x1600pro 512mb agp since last april and i thought well the r600s will be out soon.i still haven't seen crap about the r600s. do i buy a gtx or gts. or do i wait just a little bit longer to see if the r600s are released.


I think it depends on your budget but the R600 or ATI Readeon X2900 or 2800
whatever name they use will be better than the 8800GTX but the ATI R600 card will cost you about 600$ so be prepared to spend some but if you want to play games like oblivion and not empty your wallet you could get a pair of 8800GTS in SLI and you can each card for about 280 to 300 dollars and you would spend about 570 to 600 dollars and have 2 good cards which is how much the new ATi will cost but you do have SLI and the GTS model would be the 320 mb version and it would actually cost you 286 dollars each i just checked so about 570 dollars and you could play games like oblivion well and the website where i get the cheap parts is www.pricewatch.com search for the 8800GTS 320 mb version.
April 25, 2007 4:56:35 PM

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i really want to play games like oblivion. I've had a x1600pro 512mb agp since last april and i thought well the r600s will be out soon.i still haven't seen crap about the r600s. do i buy a gtx or gts. or do i wait just a little bit longer to see if the r600s are released.


If i were you i would go for the 8800GTS 320mb as it plays any game available at very good frames.
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April 25, 2007 4:58:35 PM

but would they be future proof for games like crysis.i know we can't exactly tell right now but the gts just seem like it will cut it.
April 25, 2007 4:59:14 PM

if you have the money & can't wait, off course the 8800GTX is best choice for now.
But hold on a little more, the price will cut, you have more choice, ... , you won't get disappointed.
April 25, 2007 5:04:40 PM

I'll try and hold off.
April 25, 2007 5:15:58 PM

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i really want to play games like oblivion. I've had a x1600pro 512mb agp since last april and i thought well the r600s will be out soon.i still haven't seen crap about the r600s. do i buy a gtx or gts. or do i wait just a little bit longer to see if the r600s are released.


I think it depends on your budget but the R600 or ATI Readeon X2900 or 2800
whatever name they use will be better than the 8800GTX but the ATI R600 card will cost you about 600$ so be prepared to spend some but if you want to play games like oblivion and not empty your wallet you could get a pair of 8800GTS in SLI and you can each card for about 280 to 300 dollars and you would spend about 570 to 600 dollars and have 2 good cards which is how much the new ATi will cost but you do have SLI and the GTS model would be the 320 mb version and it would actually cost you 286 dollars each i just checked so about 570 dollars and you could play games like oblivion well and the website where i get the cheap parts is www.pricewatch.com search for the 8800GTS 320 mb version.

1. The first card that will be available from AMD is HD2900XT, promised for around the end of May. It was benchmarked at DailyTech yesterday. It looks like it's a bit better than the 8800 GTS 640 MB, when overclocked, but still nowhere near the 8800 GTX. Kind of unfair, in fact, since I can overclock the 8800 GTS too and it comes up on top again.

The HD2900XTX is the bigger brother of the XT and has been pushed to Q3 (i.e. they're currently hoping to have it in stores by September). I'm just guessing that it's not as good as AMD hoped, or it would be released in May like the XT.

2. Pick your card depending on the budget and when you intend to upgrade again and what games you play and at what resolution and what OS. E.g if you have enough money and nothing smarter to do with it and you like playing intensive games like Titan Quest or Oblivion or Supreme Commander and your resolution is 1680*1050 or higher and you don't use Vista then go with the GTX. if you play Tetris
mostly then even the 8800 GTX 320 MB is overkill. Most people seem to think the 640 MB GTS is worth the money compared to the 320 MB GTS because newer games like the additional memory a lot.

3. SLI is a smart idea in exactly two scenarios right now:
a) get two 8800 GTX cards right now
b) get an 8800 GTX card now and another a year from now, when cheaper and/or necessary

Combining two weaker cards in SLI is never better than having a single better card instead. First of all, games that consume lots of memory will work better in the 768 MB of a single GTX than in the 640 MB * 2 of a GTS SLI. I know it sounds silly, but that's the way it is, you can't add them up.
Also, two cards don't just add their power together, you get nowhere near twice the speed of a single card. Look at benchmarks, you will never see things like 50 fps with a card and 100 fps with the same card in SLI.
Also, SLI is not supported by all games or drivers, and there are bugs.
Also, SLI means two fans making noise.
Pricewise, I think a GTX is comparable or better than 2 GTS cards, I'llhave to check that. Power consumption (including the heat and noise that come with it) is greater with the SLI too. Also, a motherboard that supports SLI is usually more expensive (C$275 for my favourite P5N32-E SLI, for example, or C$400 for the Striker Extreme).

One good thing about the RD2900XT is that there will be a version with passive cooling, apparently. Some site in the UK listed it for a while until they realized and took it out again :D  :D 

I hope this helps, guys :p 
April 25, 2007 5:38:37 PM

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but would they be future proof for games like crysis.i know we can't exactly tell right now but the gts just seem like it will cut it.


If the 8800 GTX doesn't cut it for Crysis then Crysis won't sell enough copies to recoup development costs and they will fix it. Besides, the people who are developing it are probably using 8800 GTX cards themselves, at most they have 2 of them.

Just guessing that the GTS will handle it too, you'll just have to reduce resolution or the amount of eye candy until you get a decent number of fps.
April 25, 2007 6:11:39 PM

i never really took into consideration what cards crytek would most likely be using.
April 25, 2007 7:04:42 PM

Hell, even the 8800 GTS 320 does a great job at playing oblivion 1280x1024, probably higher...

WHich card you should get really depends on your budget and the resolution you plan to play at.
April 25, 2007 10:49:47 PM

My vote goes to the 8800 GTS 320, for about $300. Unless you are drowning in cash, there is no reason to spend so much money on the other cards.
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April 25, 2007 11:07:50 PM

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i really want to play games like oblivion. I've had a x1600pro 512mb agp since last april and i thought well the r600s will be out soon.i still haven't seen crap about the r600s. do i buy a gtx or gts. or do i wait just a little bit longer to see if the r600s are released.


I think it depends on your budget but the R600 or ATI Readeon X2900 or 2800
whatever name they use will be better than the 8800GTX but the ATI R600 card will cost you about 600$ so be prepared to spend some but if you want to play games like oblivion and not empty your wallet you could get a pair of 8800GTS in SLI and you can each card for about 280 to 300 dollars and you would spend about 570 to 600 dollars and have 2 good cards which is how much the new ATi will cost but you do have SLI and the GTS model would be the 320 mb version and it would actually cost you 286 dollars each i just checked so about 570 dollars and you could play games like oblivion well and the website where i get the cheap parts is www.pricewatch.com search for the 8800GTS 320 mb version.

1. The first card that will be available from AMD is HD2900XT, promised for around the end of May. It was benchmarked at DailyTech yesterday. It looks like it's a bit better than the 8800 GTS 640 MB, when overclocked, but still nowhere near the 8800 GTX. Kind of unfair, in fact, since I can overclock the 8800 GTS too and it comes up on top again.

The HD2900XTX is the bigger brother of the XT and has been pushed to Q3 (i.e. they're currently hoping to have it in stores by September). I'm just guessing that it's not as good as AMD hoped, or it would be released in May like the XT.

2. Pick your card depending on the budget and when you intend to upgrade again and what games you play and at what resolution and what OS. E.g if you have enough money and nothing smarter to do with it and you like playing intensive games like Titan Quest or Oblivion or Supreme Commander and your resolution is 1680*1050 or higher and you don't use Vista then go with the GTX. if you play Tetris
mostly then even the 8800 GTX 320 MB is overkill. Most people seem to think the 640 MB GTS is worth the money compared to the 320 MB GTS because newer games like the additional memory a lot.

3. SLI is a smart idea in exactly two scenarios right now:
a) get two 8800 GTX cards right now
b) get an 8800 GTX card now and another a year from now, when cheaper and/or necessary

Combining two weaker cards in SLI is never better than having a single better card instead. First of all, games that consume lots of memory will work better in the 768 MB of a single GTX than in the 640 MB * 2 of a GTS SLI. I know it sounds silly, but that's the way it is, you can't add them up.
Also, two cards don't just add their power together, you get nowhere near twice the speed of a single card. Look at benchmarks, you will never see things like 50 fps with a card and 100 fps with the same card in SLI.
Also, SLI is not supported by all games or drivers, and there are bugs.
Also, SLI means two fans making noise.
Pricewise, I think a GTX is comparable or better than 2 GTS cards, I'llhave to check that. Power consumption (including the heat and noise that come with it) is greater with the SLI too. Also, a motherboard that supports SLI is usually more expensive (C$275 for my favourite P5N32-E SLI, for example, or C$400 for the Striker Extreme).

One good thing about the RD2900XT is that there will be a version with passive cooling, apparently. Some site in the UK listed it for a while until they realized and took it out again :D  :D 

I hope this helps, guys :p  OK, first off, if you bother to read the benches at DT youll see that the 2900 wasnt oced and showed about a 20% improvement on a non production card with brand new drivers, which will be better when these cards will be released. Second, 600 dollars??? The msrp is only 459 and thats too high as well. My advice is to wait 3 weeks and watch prices on the 88's go down, as the performance of the 2900's come out
April 25, 2007 11:20:38 PM

wait and see what atis got
April 25, 2007 11:28:54 PM

What's your system specs. Getting an 8800 series card might be overkill for it.

A card like the X1950XT or 7950GT might be all that your system will optimally use.
April 26, 2007 12:52:43 AM

athlon x2 6000, ddr2 pc6400 2 gig, 750 psu i can't remember like 60 amps on thr 12v rail(i don't know about psus).
April 26, 2007 6:22:06 AM

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athlon x2 6000, ddr2 pc6400 2 gig, 750 psu i can't remember like 60 amps on thr 12v rail(i don't know about psus).


Definetly not overkill - get the 8800GTS (either variant)!
April 26, 2007 11:13:20 AM

Nice system specs. I would hold out for another 3 weeks until the HD2900XT comes out.

This will at least stir up things in the high-end. If you were planning on getting the GTX then I would say get the GTX as it seems the HD2900XTX is not living up to expectations but this might be a rouse or major driver issues, who knows. Only time will tell.
April 26, 2007 3:23:38 PM

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When Crysis comes Ill get a second one in SLI and be fine for a while longer.


Better solution would be to sell the GTS and spend the money on a single better card.
April 26, 2007 4:38:50 PM

If you can wait, then wait for 8900gs, 8950gs, and 8950gtx, they will probably be released at the same time as r600.
April 26, 2007 4:41:44 PM

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If you can wait, then wait for 8900gs, 8950gs, and 8950gtx, they will probably be released at the same time as r600.


So you're saying that the 8900 series will be out in Mid-May? Where did you get this info from? Link?

Did Intel even confirm an 8950gtx? Again, link please.
April 27, 2007 4:29:15 PM

U mean NVidia right sheep?

Also I don't believe they're coming out with the 8900 series yet, since I heard somewhere that Nvidia is holding that out to be the equalizer to the hd2900xtx when that comes out (laughs => Q3 2007).

Link to the 8900 series:
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7055/geforce_8900gtx_and_...

From the way it looks, AMD is screwed. Not only is their "flagship" card totally lacking (XTX probs), they're already over 6 months overdue. Considering that Nvidia would undoubtedly bring down the 8800 series prices when the HD2900XT gets out, I think Nvidia has a strong hold on the upper segment of the market.

As far as what you should do: Wait for the HD2900XT and then go grab a GTX at around 80% of the current price ^^z.
April 27, 2007 5:30:52 PM

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U mean NVidia right sheep?



Yup, sorry for the typo.

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As far as what you should do: Wait for the HD2900XT and then go grab a GTX at around 80% of the current price ^^z.


I fail to see the logic here. Why would nvidia bring down the price on their, according to you, superiour product? There would be no business sense in that. If you have the best product available you keep the price high to milk it for as much as it's worth.
April 27, 2007 8:25:51 PM

GTX is superior to the HD2900XT (*at least according to the current benches)

When I mean bring down prices, I mean for the GTS (both 320MB and 640MB), but there will undoubtedly be a carry over effect to the GTX. Sorry for this "misunderstanding", since it is GTS 640MB that is in the same class level as the XT.

*Edit*
What I mean by carry over effect is because the gap between the GTS and the GTX will increase, due to the fact that GTS must decrease in price to be competitive to the XT. As this gap will widen, making it less favorable for gamers to buy the GTX, Nvidia will have to bring the price of their flagship GPU down. ==> hence what i've been stating in my original post.

P.S. Didn't mean to look like an Nvidia snob (*I'm still an ATI user :p ), but thats just how it looks like to me at the moment.
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