a sign of price dropping for nvidia?

[amdwilliam1985]

Can this be a sign of nvidia getting our messages about "how suck their new 8600 cards are"?

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=178867

$169.99 - $20 instant off in cart = $149.99
$30 MIR that will cut it into $119.99 with free shipping

http://www.circuitcity.com/rpsm/oid/180575/rpem/ccd/RebateDetails.do?linkid=j13459594k1971&affiliateid=k1971&mid=sduidp0t0

Maybe it's the fear of AMD's new HD 2600 cards, in this case then god bless competitions.

 

[senor_bob]

Yeah with the prices dropping like that, the 8600 series might actually start to look like a good buy. Now if they would just drop the price of the 8800GTX...

 

[amdwilliam1985]

Last time I heard, nvidia's high end wasn't threaten by AMD's HD 2900 at all, I guess there is no reason for them to drop price.

 

[drummerdude]

i was just gonna post this, you beat me to it. lol. maybe the prices are gonna drop to where they should be. those new cards are overpriced. the 7600gt performs better and cost less than the 8600gt

 

[amdwilliam1985]

i was just gonna post this, you beat me to it. lol.

Great minds think a like.

 

[prozac26]

Probably no sign, just some temporary deals for now.

 

[senor_bob]

Last time I heard, nvidia's high end wasn't threaten by AMD's HD 2900 at all, I guess there is no reason for them to drop price.

I know, but I can dream, right?

 

[amdwilliam1985]

Last time I heard, nvidia's high end wasn't threaten by AMD's HD 2900 at all, I guess there is no reason for them to drop price.

I know, but I can dream, right?

Let's all dream about it, I'll see you in the dream world. :lol:

 

[T8RR8R]

I'm not defending Nvidia but I don't see why we're putting the 8600GT against the 7600GT in the first place since it's much more like the 7600GS, and the 8600GTS is more like the 7600GT. The name game=WTF ever, to me.

I also wonder if they plan on adding 50 to the ends of the numbers much like ATI did with their stuff last gen for a performance boost. Much like 1650, 1550, 1950, and it's not just ATI since Nvidia made the 7950, but that was a whole different animal. Anyway it makes me wonder if they are just giving us a short stop so they can milk more money out of us later on the +50 stuff.

Although I think each generation should be better than it's previous one, I think all we're really getting for our money with these cards DX10 anyway. Is DX10 material even out? NO(except a demo). Is price/performance worth it...not really. I gotta admit though the 8800GTS320 is quite a tasty snack.

 

[C26000]

Currently I own a Geforce 5200, I was going to buy the 8800 320MB but it's so expensive for me and even more considering the probable price drops, do you think that the 8800 will drop significantly in the next months or the price drops are more possible for the overpriced 8600 serie?,

actually I was going to buy a 8600 GT, but I'm really not sure, currently I'm not an avid gamer but I expect to become one

 

[anticupidon]

since we don't have dx10 games(except one from microsoft) i suggest to buy a dx9 card like a gforce7600GT best bang for the buck at this time and save the money
why bother right now buy a dx10 card
dx10 -vista and vista has for now a lot of issues...we have to wait to see better drivers and dx10 games...\
in my humble opinion ..i will buy a dx10 card when i will have a dx10 game!

 

[Glacier]

I wish the local Best Buy would have deals like that, they are still charging $250 for the 8600. I can't wait until the HD 2600 cards come out, since they will probably charge $400 for the 2900's

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

I'm not defending Nvidia but I don't see why we're putting the 8600GT against the 7600GT in the first place since it's much more like the 7600GS, and the 8600GTS is more like the 7600GT.

Except that the GF8600GT costs more than the GF7600GT, err.., even the GF7900GS and X1950GT (and some X1950Pros) so that's why they are compared. The GF8600GTS costs as much as the X1950XT so that's why they are compared. The prices start to drop and then they will return to other competition levels that they perform similar to, and that's what the point of this thread is.

You argument is fine for a technology comparison, but no one buys a card because compared to the last one it's 10% better, they buy it because for the $100-200 the spend it's the best card they can buy. You argument would be like comparing the GF8600GT to the Radeon 9600 or FX5600 because they were in the same 'category/class', and there's no way you could get anyone to agree with that.

I also wonder if they plan on adding 50 to the ends of the numbers much like ATI did with their stuff last gen for a performance boost. Much like 1650, 1550, 1950, and it's not just ATI since Nvidia made the 7950,

And it started with the FX5950.

Although I think each generation should be better than it's previous one, I think all we're really getting for our money with these cards DX10 anyway. Is DX10 material even out? NO(except a demo). Is price/performance worth it...not really.

Like I said, DX10 support is worth about $20, whereas currently nV seems to be charging about $50-100 premium on performance if you look at it that way. The only significant value over the previous generation is if you use/watch HD video features.

I gotta admit though the 8800GTS320 is quite a tasty snack.

And that wins on price/performance alone and has no need for a DX10 crutch to sell it. And that's all that it should be.

While the HD2600 is unlikely to be spectacular, if it's the same performance as the weak GF8600 series, it should learn it's lesson and not start with such a high launch price.

 

[amdwilliam1985]

HD 2600 are 65nm, they will have better yields than 80nm 8600. Hopefully this translates to cheaper HD2600 at least same performance as 8600 if not better.

 

[mcain591]

HD 2600 are 65nm, they will have better yields than 80nm 8600. Hopefully this translates to cheaper HD2600 at least same performance as 8600 if not better.

I don't think that they are having very good yields with the 65-nm chips. Why else would avalibility for them get pushed back to middle of June?

 

[amdwilliam1985]

HD 2600 are 65nm, they will have better yields than 80nm 8600. Hopefully this translates to cheaper HD2600 at least same performance as 8600 if not better.

I don't think that they are having very good yields with the 65-nm chips. Why else would avalibility for them get pushed back to middle of June?

Some believes that OEMs like Dell, HP are buying up all the low ends(HD2400 and HD2600). Well it's a matter of who you believes.

 

[illicitsc]

Can this be a sign of nvidia getting our messages about "how suck their new 8600 cards are"?

rofl, that grammar sounds like a chinaman XD

 

[amdwilliam1985]

Can this be a sign of nvidia getting our messages about "how suck their new 8600 cards are"?

rofl, that grammar sounds like a chinaman XD

Why, you're a chinaman? I heard it takes "one chinaman to know another" :lol:

 

[hannibal]

The prise of 8800 gts is going to come down, 8600 and 8500 depends on how good or bad ati's low end cards are. 8800 gtx has nothin to worry about, so no change in price... the only chance is that 2900 XT is selling much better than 8800 GTS. If so, they may pring GTX closer to 2900...

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

HD 2600 are 65nm, they will have better yields than 80nm 8600. Hopefully this translates to cheaper HD2600 at least same performance as 8600 if not better.

I don't think that they are having very good yields with the 65-nm chips. Why else would avalibility for them get pushed back to middle of June?

Some believes that OEMs like Dell, HP are buying up all the low ends(HD2400 and HD2600). Well it's a matter of who you believes.

And that may be it, but there's no guarantee that 65nm equals high yield.

You get more chips per wafer, but not necessarily more usable chips, which combine to give you the overall yield.

It depends alot on TSMC's abilities with the process. 80nm is a bit older for them, been around since the X1650/1950, and 65nm is relatively new, so there may be early issues.

However once the kins are worked out the 65nm chips should have a significantly lower cost number since it's a big saving, and should allow a variety of frequency scales due to it being a true new process and not an optical shrink like the 80nm half-node.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

The prise of 8800 gts is going to come down,

The GTS-640, but the 320 won't come down much short term, until there's a new GTS, or something in that price range like happened last generation.

8600 and 8500 depends on how good or bad ati's low end cards are.

No, they also depend alot on the other cards in that price range and the X1950XT destroys the GF8600GTS for the same price, and the X1950GT/GF7900GS/X1950Pro similarly beat the GF8600GT for less, the X1650 and GF7600 beat the GF8500 for less.

So unlike the GF8800s, the GF8600 and 8500 have alot of competition in their price range.

 

[hannibal]

The prise of 8800 gts is going to come down,

The GTS-640, but the 320 won't come down much short term, until there's a new GTS, or something in that price range like happened last generation.

8600 and 8500 depends on how good or bad ati's low end cards are.

No, they also depend alot on the other cards in that price range and the X1950XT destroys the GF8600GTS for the same price, and the X1950GT/GF7900GS/X1950Pro similarly beat the GF8600GT for less, the X1650 and GF7600 beat the GF8500 for less.

So unlike the GF8800s, the GF8600 and 8500 have alot of competition in their price range.

In game speed and pure force yes. People seems to forget that 8600 and 8500 have exelent videodecoder that makes them good home theatre system cards. From game speed aspect it's not much, but for some user there are not real competition to them at this moment. They seems to be even better than ATI's wia cards.. Some how that is thing that makes me wonder...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977

And yes, X1950 is excelent card indeed. I really agree you in that. It may be even better for a while, with some price drops.

 

[amdwilliam1985]

In game speed and pure force yes. People seems to forget that 8600 and 8500 have exelent videodecoder that makes them good home theatre system cards. From game speed aspect it's not much, but for some user there are not real competition to them at this moment. They seems to be even better than ATI's wia cards.. Some how that is thing that makes me wonder...
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2977

Well, the situation might change as soon as HD2400 and HD2600 hits the market, I heard they got sound card built-in which will let them transmit data through HDMI making it true HDCP for vista. Please correct me if I'm wrong. :lol:

 

[No1sFanboy]

since we don't have dx10 games(except one from microsoft)

Which one? If you are referring to FSX it has been pushed back to October to be patched to dx10.

I still think anyone buying a new card in this time frame is better to have a dx10 card. But in saying that I would never recommend a card that underperforms in every title you can currently play. The general consensus for the 8600 at it's release was that it fell short on price/performance.

 

[T8RR8R]

I agree that getting a DX10 card is kind of like throwing away some cash but if you know you're going to go DX10 in the next year or so it'd be worth it to get a DX10 card whenever. I got my 8800GTS because it's fricking awsome on DX9 content and I'm all set for DX10 whenever that comes. There is a demo from Nvidia, and an M$ game too. Not that 2 things make it worth it but you know more are on their way.

Does anybody actually have HDMI on their current monitor? and does your TV with HDMI have 1900x1200 res? It's like having 5000HP in a Honda Civic, yeah it's cool to say you have it but it's pointless. Same idea as having a QX6800 clocked at 9Ghz, yeah it's awsome but if it's not stable, there is no point.