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Anonymous
December 3, 2004 2:26:58 PM

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I'm an HDTV newbie.
Have searched the FAQ's and found no answers to the below
observations.

Have just set up a Sony 61xs955 and am confused about 16:9 HDTV
broadcasts.
As an example if I tune to NBC the the screen display indicates that
it is an HDTV broadcast being received in 16:9. But the screen
displays black bars on the sides of the picture.
During prime time on NBC I receive the broadcast programming in 16:9.
Why the difference?
I also notice that if a prime time HDTV broadcast is in 16:9 the
commercials have black bars on each side.

Any clarification on this appreciated!
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 5:45:17 PM

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mouln@yahoo.com (victor voul) wrote in message news:<30da9028.0412031126.1d9456d3@posting.google.com>...

> As an example if I tune to NBC the the screen display indicates that
> it is an HDTV broadcast being received in 16:9. But the screen
> displays black bars on the sides of the picture.

They do this whenever (a) the original content was not shot in 16:9,
which is still true of most TV shows, or (b) it was shot in 16:9 but
wasn't kept in an exclusively HD channel all the way from the origin
to the transmitter, and got converted to 4:3 at some point along the
way, as is true of many commercials.
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 8:22:42 PM

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mouln@yahoo.com (victor voul) wrote in message news:<30da9028.0412031126.1d9456d3@posting.google.com>...
> I'm an HDTV newbie.
> Have searched the FAQ's and found no answers to the below
> observations.
>
> Have just set up a Sony 61xs955 and am confused about 16:9 HDTV
> broadcasts.
> As an example if I tune to NBC the the screen display indicates that
> it is an HDTV broadcast being received in 16:9. But the screen
> displays black bars on the sides of the picture.
> During prime time on NBC I receive the broadcast programming in 16:9.
> Why the difference?
> I also notice that if a prime time HDTV broadcast is in 16:9 the
> commercials have black bars on each side.
>
> Any clarification on this appreciated!

As has been said, High Definition is always 16:9, so when the networks
have to broadcast non widescreen content they have two choices: 1.
Perform a zoom/stretch of the 4:3 footage (as TNT HD loves to do) or
2. add in side bars on the left and right to compensate for the more
square 4:3 aspect ratio of non-HD programming.
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 8:54:27 PM

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victor voul wrote:
> I'm an HDTV newbie.
> Have searched the FAQ's and found no answers to the below
> observations.
>
> Have just set up a Sony 61xs955 and am confused about 16:9 HDTV
> broadcasts.
> As an example if I tune to NBC the the screen display indicates that
> it is an HDTV broadcast being received in 16:9. But the screen
> displays black bars on the sides of the picture.
> During prime time on NBC I receive the broadcast programming in 16:9.
> Why the difference?
> I also notice that if a prime time HDTV broadcast is in 16:9 the
> commercials have black bars on each side.
>
> Any clarification on this appreciated!

Because they don't want to distort the original aspect ratio of the
video being broadcast. If it was shot in 4:3, it doesn't neatly fit
into 16:9. There are three ways to deal with it: 1) Expand the entire
image both horizontally and vertically to fill the screen, then chop off
the portions that fall above or below the actual screen, 2) Expand the
image horizontally only to fill the screen, thus stretching everything
unnaturally, or 3) Center the image in the widescreen space, leaving
black bars on the right and left. Most people find this to be the best
solution of the three.
Anonymous
December 3, 2004 10:52:03 PM

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mouln@yahoo.com (victor voul) wrote in news:30da9028.0412031126.1d9456d3
@posting.google.com:

> I'm an HDTV newbie.
> Have searched the FAQ's and found no answers to the below
> observations.
>
> Have just set up a Sony 61xs955 and am confused about 16:9 HDTV
> broadcasts.
> As an example if I tune to NBC the the screen display indicates that
> it is an HDTV broadcast being received in 16:9. But the screen
> displays black bars on the sides of the picture.
> During prime time on NBC I receive the broadcast programming in 16:9.
> Why the difference?
> I also notice that if a prime time HDTV broadcast is in 16:9 the
> commercials have black bars on each side.
>
> Any clarification on this appreciated!
>

In short, the black bars are added at the network (?) to send you a 16:9
picture. This is true with all non-hd programing. HD programming will be
in 16:9 and not have the black bars. The black bars are added to SD
programming and most commericals.

Hope this helps. There is nothing wrong with your setup or equipment.

Dave
Anonymous
December 4, 2004 12:31:09 AM

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"victor voul" <mouln@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30da9028.0412031126.1d9456d3@posting.google.com...
> I'm an HDTV newbie.
> Have searched the FAQ's and found no answers to the below
> observations.
>
> Have just set up a Sony 61xs955 and am confused about 16:9 HDTV
> broadcasts.
> As an example if I tune to NBC the the screen display indicates that
> it is an HDTV broadcast being received in 16:9. But the screen
> displays black bars on the sides of the picture.

(I have the same TV set that you do.)

The reason for this is that the network is sending down a 4:3 standard
definition signal. But you are taking it off the local station's digital
broadcast channel, being used for HD. Not WZYZ-TV but WZYZDT-TV. So, it is
transmitting to your TV set in HD digital, even though the program content
is just a 4:3 standard definition program. Result: black bars on the sides
and a less-than-optimum picture. But the set sees the HD signal, not the
program, so it tells you "1080i" or "720p". When you tune in at night -- or
any time -- and get an HDTV program, you get it 16:9 with an HD picture.

If you tune to the station's analog channel and press "guide" on your
remote, you will see that it then says "NTSC" instead of 1080i or 720p.

Most commercials are shot in 4:3 SD, so they show up with black bars on the
sides. I think, but am not sure, that some stations/networks may
automatically go to a 4:3 format during commercial breaks. That will change
as more spots are shot in HD. If you get ESPNHD, you will see that they put
up grey bars that say "ESPN" all day long, to bracket their SD programming.
When they show a game or SPORTSCENTER in HD, then it's 16:9. That's the way
it is right now -- you go back and forth all the time from 16:9 to 4:3 with
bars on the sides.

Some local stations will broadcast all their programming on their HD channel
blown out to 16:9. That, in my opinion, is worse.

If you don't mind a goofy-looking formerly 4:3 picture, you can use your
"wide" settings to watch everything in 16:9. Some do. You'll be in
TNT-Land.

BTW, when you first fired up your set, did you find that all your whites
were swimming around and you had to turn off the "Live Color" via the video
menu, which Sony had shipped turned ON? I did. Very weird. Not sure if
that effect from "Live Color" relates to something on my end or it's just
something Sony didn't really check out before they added it. Glad it has an
OFF button, though.

mack
austin
Anonymous
December 4, 2004 4:37:48 AM

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Because not all HD stations are HD all the time.
December 4, 2004 8:34:50 PM

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You have received many good responses to your question. I would just add
these points.

When you see black bars on the right and left, you are receiving content
that was/is 4:3 content that probably started out as (at best) 480i or
something close to it. It is "padded" on the right and left with black bars
to give it a 16:9 aspect ratio, AND it is up-converted to 1080i (or 720p) to
make it "high definition". Your receiver, of course, has no idea of all the
electronic manipulation that has occurred to the signal prior to its
arrival. All it knows is that the signal looks like a 1080i, 16:9 signal.

You are right, this kind of up-converted signal is common during the
non-primetime hours.

During primetime, you will usually receive true 16:9 1080i (or 720p) high
definition content.

Neil
Salem, MA USA

"victor voul" <mouln@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:30da9028.0412031126.1d9456d3@posting.google.com...
> I'm an HDTV newbie.
> Have searched the FAQ's and found no answers to the below
> observations.
>
> Have just set up a Sony 61xs955 and am confused about 16:9 HDTV
> broadcasts.
> As an example if I tune to NBC the the screen display indicates that
> it is an HDTV broadcast being received in 16:9. But the screen
> displays black bars on the sides of the picture.
> During prime time on NBC I receive the broadcast programming in 16:9.
> Why the difference?
> I also notice that if a prime time HDTV broadcast is in 16:9 the
> commercials have black bars on each side.
>
> Any clarification on this appreciated!
Anonymous
December 9, 2004 12:09:17 PM

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>Our so-called "leaders" are put in place by
the marketers to facilitate their needs. Down this road lies disaster,
I am
afraid. You can't have the merchants running everything. That's almost
as
bad as turning it over to the priests.

Merchants don't "run" anything since the buying power is completely
voluntary by the consumer. If enough consumers get pissed at over
advertising, they will stop patronizing those companies and/or stop
watch the programs when they're run.
!