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Is it possible? Is nvidia hearing our cries? :lol:
Is it possible? Is nvidia hearing our cries? :lol:
Is it possible? Is nvidia hearing our cries? :lol:
If it's true it's gonna step on the 320MB 8800's toes.
If it's true it's gonna step on the 320MB 8800's toes.
The TMU advantage may be smaller than you think. The 8600s have a way better TMU unit. Overall the 8800 will be faster though, i think. Well, unless Nvidia does some more tweaks aside from the bus system (which is, plain and simple, insufficient with 128 bit).Well I don't know about that, I think the GTS would still out perform it with a shader advantage, TMU and ROP and memory advantage.
I am not too sure about that. Just take a look at the clockspeed. The 8600 is clocked a lot faster than the 8800GTS (i´m talking about the reference models!). The comparison between 7800 GT and 7600 GT comes to mind, but that´s 256 to 128 bit again, even though the core of the 7600GT was more efficient thanks to some improvments by Nvidia. The raw shader power of the 8800 will show in future titles where the 8600 might run out of steam.I doubt the GTS-256bit would challenge a GTS-320 too much, and you have to wonder the market pricing too. Right now the GTS-320 seems to be soiling the target launch price right now. Only as a BB/CircuitCity card would you be able to charge more than what they charge for the eVGA GTS-320 on NewEgg.
The TMU advantage may be smaller than you think. The 8600s have a way better TMU unit.Well I don't know about that, I think the GTS would still out perform it with a shader advantage, TMU and ROP and memory advantage.
I am not too sure about that. Just take a look at the clockspeed. The 8600 is clocked a lot faster than the 8800GTS (i´m talking about the reference models!).
I just hope Nvidia makes the 256bit GTS a nice card and not some graphically challenged Frankenstein like the 6800XT - which is still a possibility and a very possible one if NV wants to position the 256 GTS between 8800 GTS and the regular 8600GTS.
Yeah but the clock speed just can't keep up with the 3:1 shader difference IMO. A move to 65nm would likely give more speed, but I doubt it'd be enough t make up the difference except as low resolution/settings.
I think that the 256 bit rumor is a sign that nvidia knows that the 8600s that are on the market just can´t compete at the price they are at. And if the price of a 8600GTS goes down to compete with the 1950 Pro and 7900GS then there is a little room for another card between 8600 GTS and 8800 GTS. Let´s call it the upper mid-range. :lol:Yeah I wonder if they wouldn't want to add a few things while the're at it. but the main thing is that the 256bit alone would improve the sitationm, but you still have the problem of alot of cheap GTS-320s out there, and it's unlikely that a 256bit interface alone will help overcome the cheap GTS, which would need to be pulled from the market IMO in order to recapture the $250 price-point with a different card (like happened with the R9500P), and IMO the same ting will happen, the dedicated answer won't quite be fast enough, and I suspect the GF8600-'Ultra' will wind up like an X1800GTO, better than the weak X1600XT, but still not a great improvement.
The main thing I think in nV's favour is that I doubt there will be a surprise 256bit card from ATi any time sooner, but of course they always could cut down an X2900XL to fill the void, but like the GTS-320, that and expensive move to capture that market segment. Depends on the cast-off cripples yields IMO. So near term I don't think that they have to worry about a GF7600GT type card stealing that price-range, like they were able to do last generation.
Quite a nice review and i can´t but agree.There's definitely a needs for the cards like the GF8800GS, we'll just have to see what happens, and likely the GF8600Ultra is going to be their idea of that card, whether it succeeds or not is another question.
The thing is with the X1600s it was very similar to the GF8600 if you ask me, ATi launched with no competitor in the market and didn't look at the past performance expectation, and so while it was kind of the 'midrange' when launched, it was going up against X800GTOs and GF6800GSs which were then starting to dip into their price range, then nV launched the GF7600 into the market and what was before just a mediocre weak dissapointment for the price, suddenly was in serious trouble for sales.
I don't think we're there again, but if ATi were to manage a similar coup it'd be the perfect time for it, but of course, that's alot to expect from a 128bit card that doesn't look too impressive on paper (especially since we don't know what a single shader, texture unit or ROP can do, although we have alotof ideas).
I´m happy if either AMD or Nvidia fills the spot - if both manage to go at it, even better. :twisted:
Why nvidia do not launch a 256bit GF8800GTS? i think it is better than a 256bit 8600gts