Hi everybody.
how is it going?
I found something really strange in CNC3 Tiberium Wars Video Options:
With my previews X1900XTX the Antialiasing setting in the game's graphic options section had 3 Levels.(didn't know what is the meaning of each level, 2x,4x,6x i guessed)
When i upgraded to 8800GTS i found that there are 5 Levels of Antialiasing in game's graphic options section.
But the story isn't end here!
updated to Forceware 158.19 & now i see 8 Levels of AA 8O !
Man, what is the meaning of these levels? 2x,4x,6x,8x,16x,32x,64x,128x??
I tried different levels at 1600x1200 and i found that i will lose 5~10FPS by changing from the level 1 to level 8...& there isn't much of image quality difference.
any one have any idea about these levels?
PS : Sorry for my poor English
use google , its to complicated to explain , but basically the higher the no better it looks and lower the performance , although be warned any high then 8x and your graphic card will eject itself and the company would want a refund .
flame me now i am ready *takes out his uzi yeaa*
I google it but i can't find any answer...
The game's "Best Quality" sets the AA setting to 1x.
What's the Difference?
Why updating the driver adds 3 more AA Levels?
Witch level is the best to use?
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Okay buddy i am feeling a little sorry for you so i am going to help you out by giving you some links
http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/A [...] sing.shtml
see this link it will sort things out
8O
Hey man, what do you think i am?
do you really think i don't know what AA is?
Damn...
it seems that you don't get the whole question...
| Quote : Why updating the driver adds 3 more AA Levels?
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i didn't ask you about AA!
Damn...
you hurt my feeling...
lol interesting
i only get 3 levels myself...so why you get 8 is a bit of a mystery...
Have you tried them?
If you understand what AA is, then I don't see what your question is.
Are you asking what 2x, 4x etc refer to? Or why more AA options opened up for you?
2x, 4x etc, refer to the amount of samples taken to apply to the image and generate the anti-aliasing effect. Higher end graphic cards can do higher levels of AA then low end ones. Bigger number= more samples and theoretically a better effect, although at a certain point your eye will have a hard time telling the difference. Your gpu however will most certainly notice the difference since the more samples it has to take the harder it has to work, thus slowing down the amount of frames it can generate per second.
As I said, at a certain point you won't notice any visual difference by making the AA any higher. Where that point is depends alot on the game, what monitor you have and mostly on the person playing it. You just have to find a balance between how good you think it looks vs how big oof a fps hit you are willing to take. It's a very subjective thing.
If you're wondering why more AA options showed up, C+C auto-detects your system hardware and sets itself up accordingly. I only have 4 levels available in-game (if you include off as a setting) with my x800xt, but it's possible if it detects your gpu is capable of more AA it will open up more options.
You didn't read his question correctly. None of that answers his questions.
No No No No No No...
My ONLY question is why with my Previews X1900XTX (and you can see as someone above said) the game only has 3 Level(same about my Friend with a 7600GT), then by upgrading to 8800GTS the game showed 5 level of AA & now with the Forceware 158.19 the game shows 8 level of AntiAliasing??...does it mean that Updating driver adds more AA Sampling??
Damn it guys...I'm talking about Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars not the AntiAliasing itself...The only person that get the point is blade85.
aaaaaaaaaa...you are making me angry. I don't think you would like me when i get angry!
(it's Hulk, just kidding!)
| Quote : .I'm talking about Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars not the AntiAliasing itself...The only person that get the point is blade85.
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Reread the bottom of my last post that should answer your question.
My buddy who also plays is using an 8800gtx, Ill find out how many options he has under AA to see if thats the case.
| Quote : You didn't read his question correctly. None of that answers his questions. |
Exactly!
Ah, thank god...
| Quote : Reread the bottom of my last post that should answer your question. |
aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh...
FORGET IT MAN!
I'm out, Sorry for taking your time everybody!...
To clearify his question for anyone that doesn't understand:
In the game's video settings, there are options for AA. Initially, he had only 3 choices under the AA option: Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3. Upon changing out his video card, he went back into the in-game options, and under AA he found two more choices, Level 4 and Level 5. He then upgraded his driver, and went back into that same option screen and found 3 more new choices under AA: Level 6, Level 7 and Level 8. His question is, why would it open up new choices after a video card upgrade and a driver update? And also, if each level coincides with an AA multiplier, would that mean that Level 7 is 64x AA, Level 8 is 128x AA?
Correct me if I'm wrong on any of that.
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May the god gives you anything that you want! (this is a persian pray
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I dont have an 8800 GTX, but i doubt they are going to be able to support 128xAA.. and even if they could, u cant run a game at 0.0001 FPS.
Here is the point!
because even at Max AA setting ( Level 8 ) at 1600x1200 i still got more than 20FPS even at a nuke explosion!
My guess is that it's a driver/game bug. I'm guessing that Level's 6,7&8 are probably actually the same as Level's 3,4&5. I've never heard of AA being as high as 128x.
| Quote : My guess is that it's a driver/game bug. I'm guessing that Level's 6,7&8 are probably actually the same as Level's 3,4&5. I've never heard of AA being as high as 128x. |
I don't think so, because up to Level 5, i see no difference in FPS but at Level 8 i see some FPS drop... :?
| Quote : My guess is that it's a driver/game bug. I'm guessing that Level's 6,7&8 are probably actually the same as Level's 3,4&5. I've never heard of AA being as high as 128x. |
I don't think so, because up to Level 5, i see no difference in FPS but at Level 8 i see some FPS drop... :?
Hmmm, well if you really want to figure this out, you could always take screenshots of the same thing at each of the levels, then compare and see if you can find any similarities between levels.
OK, i will try it!
Thanks Brother.
you are the only one that helped me on this.
8)
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Listening to A Matter Of Life And Death while posting these makes me feel awesome!
Here is the link to the Full picture of my AV.
The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.
The ati cards only support maximum of 6 levels of aa.
Also man be a little more precise with your questions .
Sounds like the game engine can detect what your video card can support, sounds like a good thing to me.
Perhaps the addeds settings enable Supersampling or Transparency AA. I'm positive they don't exponentially increase the AA level.
imagine 128X AA
that will be the day.... even if it completely pointless
but yeah, take some pictures wit each setting at the same spot and give us a link.
this I would like to see.
| Quote : The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.
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Can you show me a link that supports your statement that the G80 supports 8 levels of AA? I'm interested, I've never seen this.
Hey Man.
the most important part of the question is why updating driver added more AA Level?
My X1900XTX only showed up to Level 3-----> Level 3=6xAA
My 8800GTS with old drivers showed up to Level 5-----> Level 4=8xAA & Level 5=16xAA
New Driver (158.19) Showed up to Level 8-----> Level 6 =32xAA & Level 7=64xAA & Level 8=128xAA??????????
& i experience FPS drop ONLY at higher Level than Level 5.
Ignore my post i misunderstood the question , i thought he was talking about supporting 8aa level not 128aa 8O 8O
sorry my fault
| Quote : Hey Man.
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I'm going to assume that you don't understand what the purpose of a driver is, and what it's supposed to do is this correct? Device drivers are necessary to run a piece of hardware.
Easy way for me to explain this is an assembly line.
1 - You have 8 lines and 8 people when you trained these 8 people you were able to instruct 4 people on how to do their job.
2 - By enhancing the training you are now able to have 8 people to their job.
3 - Now by further enhancing the training you can teach all 8 people how to do their job more effectively.
The same concept exists with hardware(people) and the drivers(training)
maybe i can help....
Off
2x
2xQ
4x
8x
8xQ
16
16xQ
.....that is....what for it.... 8 LEVELS OF AA! GO FIGURE!
seriously people look in the Nvidia menu, i have an 8800GTX and knew this before hand... i think you all need to read more....and no not those playboy magazines with the articles on internet ermmm.....
| Quote : maybe i can help....
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Hey Man, you mean that with my Previews driver my card didn't support 8xQ?? Think man! Think...
| Quote : Ignore my post i misunderstood the question , i thought he was talking about supporting 8aa level not 128aa 8O 8O
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It's OK budy! 8)
OK Guys, i took some pictures very fast
, so sorry if the pictures are not good enough!
First, here is an image of current Graphics Options:
With previews driver (Forceware 97.94 i think) there only 5 Levels of AA Detail like Shader Detail.
here is the game at Level 1:
here is the Level 3(Max Level with my Previews X1900XTX):
Sorry about the lighting, that is because of Clouds movement!
here is the Level 5
Max Level with previews driver)
and finally here is the Level 8:
as you can see there is no FPS drop in these pictures but here is an another picture in Level 8 that shows some FPS drop:
OK,what do you think now?
And by levels, i think he doesn't mean 2x,4x,6x,...............
It's something else.
Hmm, update the game to 1.04 version. Maybe it'll make some difference. Personally, i couldn't tell any difference on these pictures.
lol thats cool. and uhhh...i have no idea
im pretty happy with just 3 levels
A few people understand your question, but I don't think anyone can answer your question for sure.
I did not update to the newest drivers, so my 8800GTS has the 5 levels plus off (6 settings) within the game. Yet in my NV control panel I have 2x, 4x, 8x, 8xQ, 16x, 16xQ. (6 settings not including off). SO I have no idea what the 5 levels are. Possibly off/2x/4x/8x/16x/16Q, but that's just a guess. Plus we have Transparancy off/MS or SS), so that adds other possibilities.
I think you need to take it to the official forums or a C&C fan site and ask it. I understand people saying who cares, but I am also the type person that would like to know this for sure, so I understand you asking. I know I have things cranked all the way at 16x10, force 16xAF and use level 2 FSAA and it sits pinned at 30 fps all the time (that I have ever seen). I never bothered cranking the fsaa, but will try level 5 for fun.
Anyway, if you find your answer, please report back as I'd like to know also.
| Quote : The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.
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Usual levels of AA are 2X, 4X, 6X, 8X and 16X. I've never heard of other settings. That makes 5 different levels of AA and I think both cards support them.
To the OP: I think the game looks already very good at level 1. So stop wondering and go play the damn game!
| Quote : I think you need to take it to the official forums or a C&C fan site and ask it. |
OK, i did and here is the first answer:
| Quote : I'm not sure what anti-aliasing does, but I know that your game runs a lot smoother with it off! |
& here is the second answer:
| Quote : I have a 7800GTX, 4 gigs of ram, and an Athlon FX-55 processor, and I run the game on the top resolution, with everything set as high as possible. It runs perfectly smoothly, but I want it to run even faster, how do I do this? |
What was i thinking anyway?
According to This site there are 3 Levels of AA in game.(Plus a "None" Level)(don't know their test system
)
anyway, i found that i won't find any answer for this...so, thanks everyone for taking time and answering me! 8)
LOL, that is too funny!
If you are desperate to find out, you could check the readme's from both the game and those new NV drivers. There may be under list of fixes in the nV drivers, something mentioning FSAA in C&C3. It's a longshot though.
I know I have struck out in the past when trying to find similar info in other games. It seems you need to be part of the press and then get the gaming company to anwer such questions.
Oh well, game on. I am embarrassed to say that I stayed up til 3:00 AM last night putting 3.5 hours into that Sarajevo mission.
I guess I could have been much quicker just grabbing a ton of mammoth tanks and attacking, but I enjoyed starting a base at each tiberium field and toying with the newly available weapons instead.
| Quote : Oh well, game on. I am embarrassed to say that I stayed up til 3:00 AM last night putting 3.5 hours into that Sarajevo mission. |
Just like me.
I play each mission for at least an hour or two...I finished GDI camp on Hard difficulty (except last three mission on medium) & now i`m on NOD'camp...Their Avatar Rocks.I like it much more than Mammoth-Tank!
By The Way,i found something interesting!
i disabled the in-game AA & use 16xAA (not 16xQ)+16xAF(Clamp) from the nVIDIA Control panel.I took some screen shots & i found that the image quality is awesome! & no FPS drop at all!
i think it's a little better than in-game AA...try it your self as we both have similar systems.
| Quote : The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.
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Can you show me a link that supports your statement that the G80 supports 8 levels of AA? I'm interested, I've never seen this.
| Quote : 16X Anti-aliasing Technology:
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http://www.nvidia.com/page/8800_features.html
On the C&C3 demo it shows 5 levels of antialiasing:
| Quote : On the C&C3 demo it shows 5 levels of antialiasing |
Dam it...I guess i`m the only one who has 8 AA Level!
but as i said above, i found that with 16xAA(not 16xQ) & 16xAF(Clamp) on Control Panel i have better Quality/Performance than in-game Level 8 AA...
Tried turning down the resolution and test the different levels? You are playing at 1600x1200.... don't think i'd notice whether it's at 4x, or 8x at that res.
640x480
:!:
| Quote : ried turning down the resolution and test the different levels? You are playing at 1600x1200.... don't think i'd notice whether it's at 4x, or 8x at that res.
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Awesome Point!
I will send some pictures verrrrrrrrrry soon!
OK OK!
The game does not support 640x480, so i compared AA Levels in 800x600 & Here are some images:
First of all, here is the game's Graphics Options:
Here is the screen shot with NoAA (Level 0 or Off):
Here is the same screen shot at Level 1:
Here is the same screen shot at Level 3(Max level with ATI X1K series graphics cards):
Here is the same screen shot at Level 5(Max level with 8800Series graphics cards with Forceware 97.94):
Here is the same screen shots in Level 8(Max level with 8800Series graphics cards with Forceware 158.19):
As i looked at these screen shots i can easily tell the difference up to level 5, but i can't find any difference between Level 5 & Level 8. :?
What do you think?
Ouch! overall the game looks pathetic when comparing these screen shots with the above screen shots that have taken at 1600x1200.
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