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Hi everybody. :D how is it going?
I found something really strange in CNC3 Tiberium Wars Video Options:
With my previews X1900XTX the Antialiasing setting in the game's graphic options section had 3 Levels.(didn't know what is the meaning of each level, 2x,4x,6x i guessed)
When i upgraded to 8800GTS i found that there are 5 Levels of Antialiasing in game's graphic options section.
But the story isn't end here!
updated to Forceware 158.19 & now i see 8 Levels of AA 8O !
Man, what is the meaning of these levels? 2x,4x,6x,8x,16x,32x,64x,128x??
I tried different levels at 1600x1200 and i found that i will lose 5~10FPS by changing from the level 1 to level 8...& there isn't much of image quality difference.
any one have any idea about these levels?
PS : Sorry for my poor English :oops: :tongue:

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use google , its to complicated to explain , but basically the higher the no better it looks and lower the performance , although be warned any high then 8x and your graphic card will eject itself and the company would want a refund .

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: flame me now i am ready *takes out his uzi yeaa* :lol: :lol:

Reply to slashzapper
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I google it but i can't find any answer... :(
The game's "Best Quality" sets the AA setting to 1x.
What's the Difference?
Why updating the driver adds 3 more AA Levels?
Witch level is the best to use?
:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Reply to Farhang

Okay buddy i am feeling a little sorry for you so i am going to help you out by giving you some links :D

http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/A [...] sing.shtml

see this link it will sort things out :wink:

Reply to slashzapper
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8O
Hey man, what do you think i am?
do you really think i don't know what AA is?
Damn...
it seems that you don't get the whole question...

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Why updating the driver adds 3 more AA Levels?
With my previews X1900XTX the Antialiasing setting in the game's graphic options section had 3 Levels.(didn't know what is the meaning of each level, 2x,4x,6x i guessed)
When i upgraded to 8800GTS i found that there are 5 Levels of Antialiasing in game's graphic options section.
But the story isn't end here!
updated to Forceware 158.19 & now i see 8 Levels of AA 8O !
Man, what is the meaning of these levels? 2x,4x,6x,8x,16x,32x,64x,128x??


i didn't ask you about AA!
Damn... :evil: you hurt my feeling...

Reply to Farhang
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lol interesting :lol:

i only get 3 levels myself...so why you get 8 is a bit of a mystery...

Reply to blade85

Have you tried them?

Reply to Gary_Busey

If you understand what AA is, then I don't see what your question is.

Are you asking what 2x, 4x etc refer to? Or why more AA options opened up for you?

2x, 4x etc, refer to the amount of samples taken to apply to the image and generate the anti-aliasing effect. Higher end graphic cards can do higher levels of AA then low end ones. Bigger number= more samples and theoretically a better effect, although at a certain point your eye will have a hard time telling the difference. Your gpu however will most certainly notice the difference since the more samples it has to take the harder it has to work, thus slowing down the amount of frames it can generate per second.

As I said, at a certain point you won't notice any visual difference by making the AA any higher. Where that point is depends alot on the game, what monitor you have and mostly on the person playing it. You just have to find a balance between how good you think it looks vs how big oof a fps hit you are willing to take. It's a very subjective thing.

If you're wondering why more AA options showed up, C+C auto-detects your system hardware and sets itself up accordingly. I only have 4 levels available in-game (if you include off as a setting) with my x800xt, but it's possible if it detects your gpu is capable of more AA it will open up more options.

Reply to grifter33

You didn't read his question correctly. None of that answers his questions.

Reply to Gary_Busey
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No No No No No No...
My ONLY question is why with my Previews X1900XTX (and you can see as someone above said) the game only has 3 Level(same about my Friend with a 7600GT), then by upgrading to 8800GTS the game showed 5 level of AA & now with the Forceware 158.19 the game shows 8 level of AntiAliasing??...does it mean that Updating driver adds more AA Sampling??
Damn it guys...I'm talking about Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars not the AntiAliasing itself...The only person that get the point is blade85.
aaaaaaaaaa...you are making me angry. I don't think you would like me when i get angry! :mrgreen: :tongue: (it's Hulk, just kidding!)

Reply to Farhang

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.I'm talking about Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars not the AntiAliasing itself...The only person that get the point is blade85.
aaaaaaaaaa...you are making me angry. I don't think you would like me when i get angry! :mrgreen: :tongue: (it's Hulk, just kidding!)



Reread the bottom of my last post that should answer your question.

My buddy who also plays is using an 8800gtx, Ill find out how many options he has under AA to see if thats the case.

Reply to grifter33
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You didn't read his question correctly. None of that answers his questions.


Exactly! :trophy:
Ah, thank god... :D

Reply to Farhang
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Reread the bottom of my last post that should answer your question.


aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh...
FORGET IT MAN!
I'm out, Sorry for taking your time everybody!... :evil:

Reply to Farhang

To clearify his question for anyone that doesn't understand:

In the game's video settings, there are options for AA. Initially, he had only 3 choices under the AA option: Level 1, Level 2, and Level 3. Upon changing out his video card, he went back into the in-game options, and under AA he found two more choices, Level 4 and Level 5. He then upgraded his driver, and went back into that same option screen and found 3 more new choices under AA: Level 6, Level 7 and Level 8. His question is, why would it open up new choices after a video card upgrade and a driver update? And also, if each level coincides with an AA multiplier, would that mean that Level 7 is 64x AA, Level 8 is 128x AA?

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of that.

Reply to Gary_Busey
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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees! :D :D
I love you man! :D :D
May the god gives you anything that you want! (this is a persian pray :twisted: )

Reply to Farhang
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I dont have an 8800 GTX, but i doubt they are going to be able to support 128xAA.. and even if they could, u cant run a game at 0.0001 FPS.

Reply to Track
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Here is the point!
because even at Max AA setting ( Level 8 ) at 1600x1200 i still got more than 20FPS even at a nuke explosion! :twisted:

Reply to Farhang

My guess is that it's a driver/game bug. I'm guessing that Level's 6,7&8 are probably actually the same as Level's 3,4&5. I've never heard of AA being as high as 128x.

Reply to Gary_Busey
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My guess is that it's a driver/game bug. I'm guessing that Level's 6,7&8 are probably actually the same as Level's 3,4&5. I've never heard of AA being as high as 128x.


I don't think so, because up to Level 5, i see no difference in FPS but at Level 8 i see some FPS drop... :?

Reply to Farhang

Quote :

My guess is that it's a driver/game bug. I'm guessing that Level's 6,7&8 are probably actually the same as Level's 3,4&5. I've never heard of AA being as high as 128x.


I don't think so, because up to Level 5, i see no difference in FPS but at Level 8 i see some FPS drop... :?
Hmmm, well if you really want to figure this out, you could always take screenshots of the same thing at each of the levels, then compare and see if you can find any similarities between levels.

Reply to Gary_Busey
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OK, i will try it!
Thanks Brother.
you are the only one that helped me on this. :D 8)

Reply to Farhang

I had to, you've got Eddie as your AV.

Reply to Gary_Busey
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Woohoo, an Iron Maiden Fan! :twisted: :D
Hell Yeah!
Listening to A Matter Of Life And Death while posting these makes me feel awesome! :twisted:
Here is the link to the Full picture of my AV. :twisted:

Reply to Farhang

The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.

The ati cards only support maximum of 6 levels of aa.

Also man be a little more precise with your questions .

:twisted:

Reply to slashzapper
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Sounds like the game engine can detect what your video card can support, sounds like a good thing to me.

Reply to azgard
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Perhaps the addeds settings enable Supersampling or Transparency AA. I'm positive they don't exponentially increase the AA level.

Reply to prolfe
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imagine 128X AA :lol:

that will be the day.... even if it completely pointless :roll:

but yeah, take some pictures wit each setting at the same spot and give us a link.

this I would like to see.

Reply to blade85

Quote :

The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.

The ati cards only support maximum of 6 levels of aa.

Also man be a little more precise with your questions .

:twisted:


Can you show me a link that supports your statement that the G80 supports 8 levels of AA? I'm interested, I've never seen this.

Reply to Gary_Busey
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Hey Man.
the most important part of the question is why updating driver added more AA Level?
My X1900XTX only showed up to Level 3-----> Level 3=6xAA
My 8800GTS with old drivers showed up to Level 5-----> Level 4=8xAA & Level 5=16xAA
New Driver (158.19) Showed up to Level 8-----> Level 6 =32xAA & Level 7=64xAA & Level 8=128xAA??????????
& i experience FPS drop ONLY at higher Level than Level 5.

Reply to Farhang

Ignore my post i misunderstood the question , i thought he was talking about supporting 8aa level not 128aa 8O 8O

sorry my fault :oops:

Reply to slashzapper
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Quote :

Hey Man.
the most important part of the question is why updating driver added more AA Level?
My X1900XTX only showed up to Level 3-----> Level 3=6xAA
My 8800GTS with old drivers showed up to Level 5-----> Level 4=8xAA & Level 5=16xAA
New Driver (158.19) Showed up to Level 8-----> Level 6 =32xAA & Level 7=64xAA & Level 8=128xAA??????????
& i experience FPS drop ONLY at higher Level than Level 5.



I'm going to assume that you don't understand what the purpose of a driver is, and what it's supposed to do is this correct? Device drivers are necessary to run a piece of hardware.
Easy way for me to explain this is an assembly line.
1 - You have 8 lines and 8 people when you trained these 8 people you were able to instruct 4 people on how to do their job.
2 - By enhancing the training you are now able to have 8 people to their job.
3 - Now by further enhancing the training you can teach all 8 people how to do their job more effectively.
The same concept exists with hardware(people) and the drivers(training)

Reply to azgard

maybe i can help....
Off
2x
2xQ
4x
8x
8xQ
16
16xQ

.....that is....what for it.... 8 LEVELS OF AA! GO FIGURE!


seriously people look in the Nvidia menu, i have an 8800GTX and knew this before hand... i think you all need to read more....and no not those playboy magazines with the articles on internet ermmm.....

Reply to Xazax310
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Quote :

maybe i can help....
2x
2xQ
4x
8x
8xQ
16
16xQ

.....that is....what for it.... 8 LEVELS OF AA! GO FIGURE!


seriously people look in the Nvidia menu, i have an 8800GTX and knew this before hand... i think you all need to read more....and no not those playboy magazines with the articles on internet ermmm.....


Hey Man, you mean that with my Previews driver my card didn't support 8xQ?? Think man! Think...

Quote :

Ignore my post i misunderstood the question , i thought he was talking about supporting 8aa level not 128aa 8O 8O

sorry my fault :oops:


It's OK budy! 8)

Reply to Farhang
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OK Guys, i took some pictures very fast :twisted: , so sorry if the pictures are not good enough! :oops:
First, here is an image of current Graphics Options:
http://i16.tinypic.com/4mui5h5.jpg
With previews driver (Forceware 97.94 i think) there only 5 Levels of AA Detail like Shader Detail.
here is the game at Level 1:
http://i13.tinypic.com/503juc0.jpg
here is the Level 3(Max Level with my Previews X1900XTX):
http://i17.tinypic.com/4pv7qfr.jpg
Sorry about the lighting, that is because of Clouds movement! :oops:
here is the Level 5:(Max Level with previews driver)
http://i17.tinypic.com/6bk0m4y.jpg
and finally here is the Level 8:
http://i14.tinypic.com/4t9lzjl.jpg
as you can see there is no FPS drop in these pictures but here is an another picture in Level 8 that shows some FPS drop:
http://i15.tinypic.com/4p1u1b9.jpg
OK,what do you think now?

Reply to Farhang

And by levels, i think he doesn't mean 2x,4x,6x,...............
It's something else.

Hmm, update the game to 1.04 version. Maybe it'll make some difference. Personally, i couldn't tell any difference on these pictures.

Reply to Catscratch
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lol thats cool. and uhhh...i have no idea :lol: im pretty happy with just 3 levels

Reply to blade85
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A few people understand your question, but I don't think anyone can answer your question for sure.

I did not update to the newest drivers, so my 8800GTS has the 5 levels plus off (6 settings) within the game. Yet in my NV control panel I have 2x, 4x, 8x, 8xQ, 16x, 16xQ. (6 settings not including off). SO I have no idea what the 5 levels are. Possibly off/2x/4x/8x/16x/16Q, but that's just a guess. Plus we have Transparancy off/MS or SS), so that adds other possibilities.

I think you need to take it to the official forums or a C&C fan site and ask it. I understand people saying who cares, but I am also the type person that would like to know this for sure, so I understand you asking. I know I have things cranked all the way at 16x10, force 16xAF and use level 2 FSAA and it sits pinned at 30 fps all the time (that I have ever seen). I never bothered cranking the fsaa, but will try level 5 for fun.

Anyway, if you find your answer, please report back as I'd like to know also.

Reply to pauldh
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Quote :

The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.

The ati cards only support maximum of 6 levels of aa.

Also man be a little more precise with your questions .

:twisted:

Usual levels of AA are 2X, 4X, 6X, 8X and 16X. I've never heard of other settings. That makes 5 different levels of AA and I think both cards support them.

To the OP: I think the game looks already very good at level 1. So stop wondering and go play the damn game! :wink:

Reply to Dr_asik
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Quote :

I think you need to take it to the official forums or a C&C fan site and ask it.


OK, i did and here is the first answer:

Quote :

I'm not sure what anti-aliasing does, but I know that your game runs a lot smoother with it off!


& here is the second answer:

Quote :

I have a 7800GTX, 4 gigs of ram, and an Athlon FX-55 processor, and I run the game on the top resolution, with everything set as high as possible. It runs perfectly smoothly, but I want it to run even faster, how do I do this?


What was i thinking anyway?
According to This site there are 3 Levels of AA in game.(Plus a "None" Level)(don't know their test system :oops: )
anyway, i found that i won't find any answer for this...so, thanks everyone for taking time and answering me! 8)

Reply to Farhang
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LOL, that is too funny!

If you are desperate to find out, you could check the readme's from both the game and those new NV drivers. There may be under list of fixes in the nV drivers, something mentioning FSAA in C&C3. It's a longshot though.

I know I have struck out in the past when trying to find similar info in other games. It seems you need to be part of the press and then get the gaming company to anwer such questions.

Oh well, game on. I am embarrassed to say that I stayed up til 3:00 AM last night putting 3.5 hours into that Sarajevo mission. :oops: I guess I could have been much quicker just grabbing a ton of mammoth tanks and attacking, but I enjoyed starting a base at each tiberium field and toying with the newly available weapons instead.

Reply to pauldh
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Quote :

Oh well, game on. I am embarrassed to say that I stayed up til 3:00 AM last night putting 3.5 hours into that Sarajevo mission. :oops: I guess I could have been much quicker just grabbing a ton of mammoth tanks and attacking, but I enjoyed starting a base at each tiberium field and toying with the newly available weapons instead.


Just like me.
I play each mission for at least an hour or two...I finished GDI camp on Hard difficulty (except last three mission on medium) & now i`m on NOD'camp...Their Avatar Rocks.I like it much more than Mammoth-Tank!
By The Way,i found something interesting!
i disabled the in-game AA & use 16xAA (not 16xQ)+16xAF(Clamp) from the nVIDIA Control panel.I took some screen shots & i found that the image quality is awesome! & no FPS drop at all!
i think it's a little better than in-game AA...try it your self as we both have similar systems.

Reply to Farhang

Quote :

The reason you get 8 levels of aa is because the g80 chip supports 8 levels of aa.

The ati cards only support maximum of 6 levels of aa.

Also man be a little more precise with your questions .

:twisted:


Can you show me a link that supports your statement that the G80 supports 8 levels of AA? I'm interested, I've never seen this.

Quote :

16X Anti-aliasing Technology:
Lightning fast, high-quality anti-aliasing at up to 16x sample rates obliterates jagged edges.


http://www.nvidia.com/page/8800_features.html
http://imgplace.com/directory/dir2115/1178113231_4402.JPG
On the C&C3 demo it shows 5 levels of antialiasing:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5162/cc3mk6.jpg

Reply to Heyyou27
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Quote :

On the C&C3 demo it shows 5 levels of antialiasing


Dam it...I guess i`m the only one who has 8 AA Level! :D
but as i said above, i found that with 16xAA(not 16xQ) & 16xAF(Clamp) on Control Panel i have better Quality/Performance than in-game Level 8 AA...

Reply to Farhang
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Tried turning down the resolution and test the different levels? You are playing at 1600x1200.... don't think i'd notice whether it's at 4x, or 8x at that res.

640x480 :P :!:

Reply to STEMNIN
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Quote :

ried turning down the resolution and test the different levels? You are playing at 1600x1200.... don't think i'd notice whether it's at 4x, or 8x at that res.

640x480 :P :!:


Awesome Point! :D
I will send some pictures verrrrrrrrrry soon!

Reply to Farhang
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OK OK!
The game does not support 640x480, so i compared AA Levels in 800x600 & Here are some images:
First of all, here is the game's Graphics Options:
http://i15.tinypic.com/4kk9lc5.jpg
Here is the screen shot with NoAA (Level 0 or Off):
http://i16.tinypic.com/661klrb.jpg
Here is the same screen shot at Level 1:
http://i18.tinypic.com/625wuvm.jpg
Here is the same screen shot at Level 3(Max level with ATI X1K series graphics cards):
http://i17.tinypic.com/4unecfb.jpg
Here is the same screen shot at Level 5(Max level with 8800Series graphics cards with Forceware 97.94):
http://i11.tinypic.com/67d5y1g.jpg
Here is the same screen shots in Level 8(Max level with 8800Series graphics cards with Forceware 158.19):
http://i14.tinypic.com/4lp8nl0.jpg
As i looked at these screen shots i can easily tell the difference up to level 5, but i can't find any difference between Level 5 & Level 8. :?
What do you think?
Ouch! overall the game looks pathetic when comparing these screen shots with the above screen shots that have taken at 1600x1200. :oops:

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